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peter alexander, so what the committee wants to know is who are they talking to in congress or at the white house. they were at the willard hotel
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just a block or so from the white house. who were they talking to, who was giving them directions? >> reporter: the committee refers to those meetings taking place at the willard hotel just a block from the white house as the war room. some of those who received these subpoenas described it as a command center. nonetheless in the first days of january, it's clear many of these individual had been gathering there to strategize their effort to deny joe biden the presidency, to delay accounting of the electors there. bill steppian, jason miller, john eastman was there. bernard kerik as well in that room where those meetings took place. i spoke to kerik briefly this morning. to that defiance you referred
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to, he provided us with a statement calling on the committee, demanding that the committee retract what he described as a defamatory press release, saying they need to apologize and admit this is a partisan stunt, that they are not looking for the truth. to garrett's point, it's clear that those are not the words of a man who intends to comply with this subpoena. steve bannon, a former trump advisor, had been subpoenaed and was held in contempt by the house of representatives, which sent it over to the department of justice, which is still yet to determine whether they will file a criminal contempt charge against bannon. so at this point, it's unclear whether any of these individuals based on that would have any motivation to comply. >> nearly 150 witnesses have testified to the committee, so they they are making progress. they've issued about 25 subpoenas.
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pressure is building on the attorney general merrick garland to follow through on that cop tempt referral about steve bannon. he was asked about this yesterday. can you provide the status of the referral for mr. bannon, where you are on that? >> no. this is a criminal matter. it's an ongoing examination of the referral. as you know, the justice department doesn't comment on those. we evaluate these in the normal way we do, facts and the law and applying the principles of prosecution. >> i know he's correct they don't comment on these things and they do have to evaluate the law and the principles of prosecution. that's textbook. but the last time a criminal contempt citation was approved, it took nine days for the attorney general to decide. it's been well more than nine
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days since steve bannon thumbed his nose at the committee. all of these six that have already been issued were not employees of trump at the time. they have no connection to the white house. isn't it pretty clear cut that executive privilege, even if the former president had some authority over it, did not involve administration policy or the executive office? >> exactly. to have executive privilege you need at a minimum to be having executive decision making. these are the final holdouts trying to do anything and everything. really it doesn't even involve trump. but the stuff that does is not executive decisions. there's no argument that there's an official presidential decision they are counselling. this is a weak non-starter claim
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on executive privilege. bannon has complicated cross currents for a number of reasons. as i've said from the start, it's no surprise that's taking a while. but if they go forward with these six, it ought to be an easier case and in any event the game here really is the 150 getting everyone else to cooperate. these are the six. they're planning a push at the willard hotel. they know they will not cooperate, but they're pushing the push of them to get the 150 to cooperate and getting important information from them. >> the main character in this group not mentioned, not subpoenaed is, of course, rudy giuliani. it's quite a cast of characters, mike flynn back at the center after pleading guilty in the russia probe and being pardoned. bernie kerik, former nypd police
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chief also pardoned by trump, both part of the big lie. presumably they are interested in rudy giuliani but they're working their way up? >> it seems that way. we remember those wacky press conferences where rudy giuliani was presenting false evidence to try to back up the lie. i'm also keeping my eye on the author of that dubious memo that laid a legal claim for how vice president mike pence could up end the entire process and not certify the election. we're looking at the top sort of lieutenants of the trump world.
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it will be interesting to see -- >> another lawmaker promoting the big lie is paul gosar. he's under fire for tweeting an an may video which shows him killing alexandria ocasio-cortez. his sister was on msnbc last night. >> i am absolutely beyond aghast at how much this man has gotten away with. i don't know what he would need to do for any one of those people in a, quote, leadership position to held him accountable and i must ask attorney general merrick garland where are you? >> as a member of the house, is he completely immune to any kind of action for things he does online? i know anything he says on the house floor is protected, but what about the secret service given his threats?
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>> the answer to that question is no, absolutely not. laws apply to members of congress the same way they apply to everyone else. the problem is when it comes to laws, particularly federal law that deals with threats being made, it is very vague. the u.s. supreme court has not set down a clear start for what constitutes threats or harassment. that means the justice department, if they do pursue an investigation here, it's really not clear exactly how they set that out. certainly if they do that against a member of congress, the same way as they're being careful and taking their time in deciding what to do next because of steve bannon because of his profile, the same would be happening for a member of congress. what can happen is how gop leadership can sanction him.
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they can take action. but the fact that this much time has gone by so far and there's no instance that i've seen yet that that is happening, i think is a bad sign for even how seriously republicans are taking the january 6th investigation. if something that clear can be ignored, really i don't know what else would get their attention. >> in fact, the house leadership in possibly taking action against committee positions from members who voted for the bipartisan infrastructure bill rather than taking action against people like paul gosar and a couple of the others who have been so out of line. thanks to all of you. garrett, if you hear anything on more subpoenas, give us a shout during the next hour. and seasonal surge, some hospitals inundated by their most covid cases in nearly a
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the world health organization says europe is once again the epicenter of the pandemic. that has the top who official starting to urge the u.s. to pay attention. we're already seeing troubling numbers in colorado where hospitals are treating the highest number of patients since
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2020. joining me is steve patterson in aurora, colorado. what are the doctors saying in colorado about why we're seeing a surge since 11 months ago? >> it's a question i think health experts across the state are trying to answer. i think it's a number of reasons. i just spoke to a doctor who said it can be anything from the number of vaccinations although colorado has more than 60% of the population vaccinated. infection rates are relatively low and then this spike hit. it can be the seasonality of it or people are just more lax in general about wearing a mask. all of those factors can be
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contributing. the point is hospitals are taking the brunt of it. hospital beds are now almost full across the state. icus more than 90% full. less than 100 icu beds in the state remaining. now we're moving to tier three in colorado, the highest designation. it allows for the transfer of patients statewide. we spoke to a doctor. >> the combined hospital transfer center was a structure that colorado hospitals had decided to create so that we could ensure that we could call upon every available resource in our state so that we could use every bed that we had available to treat our patients.
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we have never had to take this step before in the pandemic. >> the number one message is telling people to get vaccinated. that's what's contributing to this. most people in the hospital with covid, unvaccinated. >> some of it might be seasonal. we're seeing it also across the upper midwest. given what we're seeing in europe now, are you concerned about another winter covid wave? >> i am concerned. we have seen that numbers across the united states have plateaued. of course you have colorado, alaska, much of the upper midwest where numbers are skyrocketing. but across the country you're seeing number at the very least plateau, not continuing to head down. wherever we've seen a plateau, that foreshadows a new spike. we also saw last year that some
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of our worst levels of transmission, numbers of cases, hospitalizations and death were around the holidays. it is cooler. people are more likely to be indoors and more likely to be around family and friends around whom they're not going to be masking. last year we saw quite literally a corresponding to the holidays. >> according to the new york times pfizer is expected tomorrow to ask federal regulators to expand authorization of booster shots to include all adults 18 and up. this could help if approved.
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people from 18-65 except those who are immunochallenged. that could be a big deal. >> i don't think it will be and here's why. if you look at who is seeking out additional doses of vaccine right now, the cdc does not break this down by race and ethnicity. others like the kaiser family foundation have looked at this. essentially it's people that are higher economic status, more educated, wealthier, lower risk in terms of exposure. also we have yet to get good data on their underlying chronic medical conditions. we have a lot of people who are the worried well who are seeking out extra doses of the vaccine. if you want to have a public health impact with additional doses, you need to give the most vulnerable communities those extra doses and that's not what's happening. so you're not going to have a
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public health impact. secondly, we know thatly with ro the antibodies and those are not going to be very long-lived. that gives you about six months of extra protection. you want to focusunder lying immune system memory which is what protects you from hospitalization and death. these booster vaccines are not really going to achieve that either. those who serve honoring the nation's veterans. a century after the dedication of the tomb of the unknown soldier, congressman rubin guy yeah go joining me next. guy yeah go joining me next.
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you're watching live pictures from arlington national cemetery where the tomb of the unknown soldier is open to the public for the first time in nearly a century as they get ready to mark veteran's day this thursday. commemorating 100 years since the dedication of the memorial as well. joining me is rubin gallego of arizona, who served in combat in iraq as a marine. his biography is out "they called us lucky."
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thank you for your service and congratulations on this. i tell you, i stayed up all night reading this book. it is so gripping. >> thank you. >> it is a heartbreaking account and it really does say so much about what we owe to our veterans and what we don't understand about ptsd and about the suicide scourge among our veterans. the delays in getting health care to veterans, continuing to deal with it. you had to deal with ptsd without even realizing you're suffering. others are experiencing it. 17 veterans committing suicide every day, according to the pentagon. >> to give credit since 2005-2006 when i was experiencing it with the va until now, the va has done
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incredibly better. it did perform better under the trump administration and the biden administration. we're not quite there yet. when it comes to dealing with ptsd it's not just the mental health care aspect. we come back and sometimes we don't have places to live, sometimes we have broken relationships, we've gotten addicted to something to self-medicate ourselves to whatever we're dealing with. we're sometimes not able to catch up on our careers. there's just a lot of things we're not dealing with to take care of veterans. statistically speaking, you're better off going to the va and getting health care especially mental health care. a lot of suicides are people who have never gotten any care whatsoever. that's a very dangerous thing.
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the most important thing i wanted to communicate with this book is a raw understanding of what happens to people in war. don't take this as you shouldn't seek help or go to the va, because it does matter and it will save lives. >> tell me what brought you to write the book. "they called us lucky." tell us your unit, the hardest hit unit in this deadly war. >> i didn't want to write the book. i've been talking about this book a lot. it's very hard. i didn't want to write this book because it was going to bring up a lot of memories, a lot of things that i dealt with and hid for 15 years from myself. there are portions of this book that as i was writing, i discovered i had really suppressed. i wrote this book because the
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men deserved to have it, to have their story told. these are the best men that ever walked this earth. for many years a lot of us have been trying to write this book and for many years, especially as i got more and more privileged being a member of congress, i had more access to things that could make this happen. after a couple of reunions, my men asked me please write the book. i finally had the time and after going through therapy i was able to pull myself together enough to write this book. the things that we did for this country and the things we've lived through for this country and are still living through, everyone deserves to know it. >> with your understanding, i wanted you read what you wrote about your best friend lance corporal jonathan grant. you write about finding out that
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he was dead. something got ripped out of my body, my chest pulled apart. i sank to my knees. a sound i'd never made before from my throat, so loud it couldn't have come from a person, so awful it couldn't have come from anything on earth. it emptied the universe of feeling, it emptied me. that was so profoundly affecting for me. it's still so real, right? >> yeah. he was my best friend. you know, you just don't get over that. i think that moment is when i really changed as a person. i've never been the same person as when i left for iraq and certainly when grant died. you know, a portion of my soul just left with him.
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i've been trying to fill that ever since. this book is basically talking about that. this book isn't about me. that's the most important. this book is about men like jonathan grant, who was a regular guy with two kids. me and him just hit it off and became best friends and looked out for each other. my son's middle name is named after him. i want people to remember him. i want people to remember that when we send men and women to war, it's not just nameless people. we see all the people and generals and stars when it's usually a bunch of scared 20-year-olds doing these operations. i was with men that were barely shaving that were going into ambush houses trying to get
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other marines out. >> one of the things that really strikes me about you, i never knew your personal history. you were the son of hispanic immigrants, you were at harvard, you volunteered for the marines as an enlisted man to go to iraq. what motivated you? >> part of that, it's not that i entirely just went from harvard to there. i got kicked out of harvard for bad grades and believe it or not for partying too much, if you can do that at harvard. in that time i always wanted to be in the marine corp out of sense of duty to my country. i also felt a certain level of responsibility. my father unfortunately got into
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some criminality. i felt that he had betrayed the honor of my family and this country in general. i felt it was my job to set things right by serving. i joined as a reservist. it was all before 9/11. this was about a year before 9/11. it was just for me to do some basic service. i didn't know i would end up being on active duty in iraq and end up being with these great guys that i wrote about. >> it's a great tribute to you and to them. the book is extraordinary. thank you for all of that. >> thank you. >> the book is "they called us lucky." thank you so much. the loss of former u.s.
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borders to fully vaccinated travelers. joining me the european commission president. so great to have you here. thank you so much for being with us. i know you're going to see the president tomorrow. what effect do you hope this opening of our borders will have on trade with the eu, trade, commerce and relationships? >> first of all, it's a strong signal on vaccination health. those who are fully vaccinated can travel either way. that is very important. of course, it will then boost the recovery too. we should not forget we still have a long way to go to overcome the pandemic, because we have the goal to vaccinate 70% of the global population. there is still a lot to do to defeat this virus. >> i want to ask you about the belarus/polish border where thousands of migrants are trapped and there's concerns.
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there are accusations from poland that putin is working with the belarus lukashenko to try to trap them there. what should be done? should there be sanctions? >> first of all, i think president putin has a strong influence on lukashenko and i hope he's going to deescalate, because what the lukashenko regime is doing is luring people to minsk and pushing them to the border. it's atrocious. but the what are we going now? we're going to rapidly widen sanctions on the regime itself. secondly, we're going to look into the airlines that are bringing migrants to minsk with false promises.
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and we are sanctioning those airlines. we will be looking to sanctioning those airlines, because this is the way to facilitate human trafficking. and then we are reaching out to the countries of origi of course, because they should prevent that their people are going into that trap in minsk, the trap of the lukashenko regime. finally, of course, we're working with the united nations. >> what should vladimir putin do? >> as he has without any doubt influence on lukashenko, convince him to stop that. it is cynical, it is atrocious to see what the lukashenko regime is doing to these people. just stop that. >> should the u.s. sanction belarus as well? >> well, that is the decision of the united states. >> will you discuss this with the president tomorrow? >> of course we will discuss the
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situation, because this is a hybrid attack on the european union from the lukashenko regime without any doubt. i will discuss that with the president. >> i want to ask you about iran because the nuclear talks are finally supposed to resume in vienna november 29th. there have been no talks since june when the election in iran took place. there's been signaling from iran that they will not pick up with the progress that was being made. how concerned is the eu to the jcpoa, the original nuclear deal, that the window is shortening dramatically and they could be really close to breakout if there isn't some return to compliance by both iran and our side? >> every day counts without any doubt. therefore, it is good that the talks will be resumed by the end
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of this month. i mean, we should not lose out of sight that the goal is no nuclear weapons in the middle east. we have to do everything and the first and most important step is the jcpoa, because it is the framework that is necessary to come to reasonable solutions and to sit down at the negotiation table. i welcome that we will have the talks again by the end of the month. >> how concerned with you about this assassination attempt against the iraqi prime minister in his residence? the suspects are iranian backed militias. could this derail the nuclear talks and other relationships? >> first of all, we all condemn this assassination attempt. we have to look into where it
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started and where it was planned without any doubt. what iraq is concerned, they are in a very difficult electoral and political process. it is absolutely impossible that there's any movement toward the right direction with violence. so everything we can do to support iraq really to convene the different stakeholders now in that difficult situation and to come to a negotiated solution and to have an inclusive approach to the political process should be supported. >> finally, the climate summit winding up this week in glasgow. criticism from president obama yesterday of both china and russia for not showing more leadership and also the investigation that the data being provided by some countries, some wittingly, some unwittingly, are not accurate and don't properly cat decorate-
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calibrate what they're contributing. >> how to move forward to a clean economy, it is doable, because we know that climate change is man made. so we can do something about it. we can stop global warming. for that, we have really to put a price on carbon. we are able to cut emissions. the european union has seen in the last years that we were able to prosper while cutting emissions through innovation, through clean technologies. therefore, every leader has to take responsibility now to show leadership, determination, cheer clear goals and exact planning to reduce emissions and stop global warming. it's urgent. >> thank you so much.
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scorer says what is especially bother some is aaron rogers didn't lie and put those around him at risk. he damaged sports. you're an award winning columnist and in your column, you write in part that aaron rogers is hurting all athletes in professional sports. tell us why you believe that. >> well, i think what aaron has done really creates doubt in the minds of the public and the people who hire athletes as spokespersons all of a sudden they have to worry about somebody that might be lying about something as crucial as vaccination and it could destroy the market for athletes, maybe the people who are supporting, you know, using an athlete can
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go to another type of celebrity or at least someone that they know is not lying. >> and state farm is sticking with him, one of his big sponsors. what is your reaction to that? >> well, i think they're going to take some damage from that because it's not -- yeah, they're supporting his right to choose but he does not have the right to endanger the people around him. >> and he's already endangered the season with just the last, you know, this past weekend. you point out that the reaction to aaron rogers is very different than the way people's reaction to colin kaepernick. talk to me about that comparison. >> well, think what colin kaepernick did was make a peaceful protest at the beginning of an nfl game. he did not endanger anyone's life or cause anybody to have to
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be concerned about their health. what aaron rogers has done is totally beyond the pail with regard to the danger that he's put his -- the people he works with, his family, his friends, all these people have -- they have to really roll the dice around him because he is someone who is carrying a covid-19 in a virus and saying that he immunized himself is just a play on words to keep the pressure off and i think it's shameful what he did. >> do you think the nfl is going to give him a pass? >> gee, andrea, i don't know. he's the star. maybe he's too important to the league for them to discipline
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him in any meaningful way but you'd have to talk to them about it. i think they should do something. >> well, the commentary is fierce so the nfl commentators, at least, have been really strong against him, but it does seem like there is a role for role models and he's certainly sending the wrong signal. kareem abdul-jabbar nice seeing you again. >> nice talking to you and all the best. >> the last time we chatted i think you had just come out with a children's book so we want to see another book, if possible. >> that was long ago and far away. >> i know. great to see you again. thanks for being with us today. we'll be right back. >> great talking to you. ay we'll be right back. >> great talking to you. ves vac. but his diabetes never seemed to take one. everything felt like a 'no'. everything. but then ray went from no to know. with freestyle libre 2, now he knows his glucose levels when he needs to. and... when he wants to.
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scott's astro world festival. the victims include a 9-year-old boy in a medically induced coma. lawsuits have been filed against travis and event organizers. houston's fire chief spoke to savannah today. >> i'm not prepared to say he was fully aware of what was going on. all i'm saying is that, everybody at that event from the artists on down, security and everybody that's there to provide public safety, including the crowds, right, in general, we all have responsibility when we attend these venues to ensure each other's safety. >> major questions surround why the concert continued for roughly an hour after the chaos started with fans visibly in distress and yelling for help. joining us now is nbc's morgan chesky from houston. does anyone have a good answer to that, morgan? >> reporter: yeah, andrea, so many answers that investigators are trying to get to the bottom
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of. you mentioned eza blunt, the 9-year-old in a medically induced coma. his parents don't know how things will shake out and gives them a sinking feeling when they see the videos of what took place friday and the consequences of that and believe someone should be held accountable. they are one of many families filing lawsuits. nbc news aware of 17 that have been filed so far. we did have a chance to speak to that family's attorney just a few minutes ago who had a chance to see the aftermath of that concert scene. he said it was very erie to see so many shoes of people who ran out as fast as they could when they were caught up in that crowd. phones left behind, as well. people were just trying to survive. authorities have made it clear this is a criminal investigation. we do know that the fbi is assisting and that the narcotics and homicide units are also taking part here, andrea. but you heard the fire chief say that someone should have stepped in sooner and that is no doubt
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the sentiment shared by so many people here in houston, andrea. >> morgan chesky, thank you. so many questions to answer. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports". chuck todd with "mtp daily" starts now. if it's tuesday, covid cases have begun to slowly rise across the u.s. another surge coming. misinformation about the vaccine is spreading in new ways. and we're following troubling developments in colorado where cases and hospitalizations are nearing winter 2020 levels and experts simply aren't sure why. plus, new subpoenas that in the investigation into the january 6th insurrection. where is this investigation headed? and when will it get there? we're live with those details ahead. later, can biden's infrastructure plan rescue democrats. we'll talk to a


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