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goodnight. tonight on all in. >> six new subpoenas from the select committee investigating january six, tonight, what we know about what the committee wants with michael flynn, bernard kerik, john eastman, and more. plus, why hasn't the justice department moved on to steve bannon yet? a new reporting on the right wing playbook drawn up in advance of the insurrection. >> all we are demanding of vice president pence is this afternoon at 1:00, he let the legislatures of the state look into this. plus, the grim reality of the partisan toll, covid continues to take on america. and the former president, addresses the world in glasgow. >> some of our progress stalled when, my successor decided to unilaterally pull out of the paris agreement in his first year in office. i wasn't really happy about
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that. >> tonight secretaries tells us with the biden agenda meets for climate. when all, in starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes today the house select committee investigating the january 6th insurrection handed down subpoenas to six more top trump officials in campaign heats. this comes after the chair of the committee congressman benny thompson in mississippi, said they were issued to issue up to 20 new subpoenas. we have six of the massive today. one of them, went to a guy whose name a ring a bell. he spent some time covering him on this program back in the day. his name is bill stepien. he was involved in the new jersey bridge gates scandal, remember that? it was one governor chief of staff was fired -- and he went on to work for trump. in fact he was the campaign manager for trump's 2020 reelection. when the committee puts it, in the letter said today, to step,
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and he quote, he supervised the conversion of the campaign to an effort focused on stop the steal messaging. in those lies the election was going to be stolen from donald trump, or echoed, by individuals who attacked the u.s. capital on january six. the campaign led by stephen also reportedly urged state and party officials to affect the outcome of the election. like in michigan, where they asked lawmakers to overrule the results to appoint electors for trump. next subpoena went to jason miller, you may remember as the chief spokesman for donald trump's campaign in transition. he was named as trump's first communications director, he withdrew in the wake of news of having impregnated a campaign staffer. last year, he joined the reelection campaign as a senior adviser in that role, as the committee, notes he regularly spread the claim, the election have been tainted by widespread fraud. spreading those same lies, that of course of january six rioters repeated. after the, election mueller coordinated with trump and rudy giuliani to hold press events,
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pushing those claims, the election was rigged. and according to the reporting, robert costa, and bob woodward spoke, he was among the allies who gathered at the war room, the willard hotel, on january 5th. the day before, working up a plan to, for the coup. to overturn the election results. the third subpoena went to a largely unknown staffer, and i will admit, when i saw the name on the list, i thought to myself, is this someone that i should know? her name is, angela merkel. and that is her right. there she is young. she is a 2019 graduate of -- university. who in turn that the trump white house and then went to work on the campaign. ultimately the world of national executive assistant of election day operative. and the reason she appeared to have been subpoenaed, according to the committee, there is evidence that mcauliffe is, quote, aware of and participated in efforts to spread false information about alleged voter fraud in the election as well as efforts to encourage state legislators to alter the outcome of the election. in fact, we have very clear
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evidence of that last point in the form of a voice mail that miss mccullough left for a michigan lawmaker in the weeks following the election. urging them to just a trump electors. >> hi representative, my name is angela mccallum, i'm calling from trump campaign headquarters in washington, d.c., i know you're very busy but i did want to personally reach out to you on your behalf of the president, as you got an opportunity to be a crucial part in his reelection. you do have the power to reclaim your authority, and send the slate of electors that will support trump and vice president pence. >> what an incredible voice mail, kind of like a spam robe or call for a coup. just blowing through that list, like hey, yes you can ignore the will of the people and install the loser of the winner. okay things. another subpoena today goes to john eastman, he is a more familiar character in this of course, he is a conservative, lawyer who was in the news
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recently as the author of that memo, outlining a plan for than vice president pence to essentially unilaterally overturn the election results in january six. the committee notes, in the lead up to the insurrection, eastman till the georgia state legislature that they could reject election results, and appoint them -- if you're sensing a theme here, that's because there. is he also participated in a briefing of nearly 300 state legislators from several states regarding purported election fraud, during which you told the group that it was their duty to fix this egregious conduct. and of course, he was at the willard hotel to. in that trump war room, helping plan the events of january six. he is the man with the white hair circled in this photo. approaching rudy giuliani. committee also subpoenaed, former general michael flynn today. you will of course remember him, as donald trump's first national security adviser, who resigned after less than a month. his conversations with the russian ambassador before trump was even inaugurated, he ended up pleading guilty to lying to the fbi, he started cooperating
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with special counsel but then seemed to stop. turned against. it and said it was all a witch hunt, and was later pardoned by donald trump. and it's letter to flynn today the january six committee reference that he attended the december 18th, 2020 meeting in the oval office during which the participants discussed season voting machines, declaring a national emergency, invoking's earning national security emergency powers and continuing to spread the message that the election had been tainted by voters from. just tonight, before flynn spreads several claims on the white wing network. >> he can order within the swing states, if you wanted to, he could take military capabilities and he could place them in those states and basically we run an election in each of those states, it is not unprecedented. many people talking about martial laws, something that we have never, done marshall's administered to 64 times, greg.
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>> it would be unprecedented to institute martial all to run an election. the final subpoenaed today went to another familiar name, bernard kerik. that's in. he is the former commissioner in new york city police department who pleaded guilty, including tax fraud, and making false statements back in the day. he then spent more than three years in prison, and then was subsequently pardon by donald trump last year. this is sort of a theme here. people pardon by donald, trump then working very hard to try and install donald trump in a. you've got your, banning you've got your, fling you got your kerik. it is a crew. kerik is an ally of rudy giuliani, his former. boss he worked with to quote,, investigate allegation of voter fraud. the committee notes reporting that kerik paid for rooms, suites, in washington d.c. hotel and served as elections commence enter. it's nice that he paid, i guess. you participate in the january 5th meeting, at the hotel, he also pardon, steve bannon. john eastman, others.
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this is where we are tonight with outstanding subpoenas for angela mccallum, who by the way, i hope she has a lawyer, she definitely should get one, miss mccallum if you're watching. john eastman, michael flynn, and bernard carrot, as well as steve bannon who has made no moves to comply despite the contempt vote against him. so we wait to see what the newly subpoenaed trump allies, january six committee and department of justice will do next. congresswoman is the member of the select committee, to just issued these subpoenas, and she joins me now. zoe lofgren, is there a unifying the here in these folks, or should we interpret this as the committee making its way through the main players? >> i think it is just part of our plowing through to get all the evidence about everything that happened. we clearly, these are individuals who were heavily
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involved, trying to overturn the election, of being involved in the so-called war rooms of the willard hotel. we need to find out everything they said and did leading to that mercifully filled effort to overturn the election. we are -- we have interviewed over 150 people so far, we've got additional interviews and depositions on going, so that we can get all the information, and that is our job. >> the hundred and 50 interviews seems important, i just wanna linger on that for a second, because obviously the news is made by those who don't comply. we are going to talk about steve bannon, and maybe jeffrey clark in a moment but the committee has been doing, to my understanding, a lot of work in parallel to what obstacles are being thrown up by those individuals. >> that's right. we are just plowing ahead,
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quite a few people have stepped forward, voluntarily to tell us what they know. a few people want to do that but felt like they had to have a subpoena to explain why they were appeasing -- appearing. as some of been more resistant. and in each case, we tend to get the information that we need to get to the bottom of everything. how it was plan, with the intent was, and so forth. >> let's talk about one of the people that was subpoenaed, jeffrey clark, a key player in this. if folks don't remember, he was the number three in department of justice he reportedly plotted directly where president trump to place the acting attorney general so as to the department to take over this role and perhaps other jade, the election is tainted and you should consider constitutional remedies to donald trump this was reporting from the washington post, the
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january six committee warn department of trump affection you must cooperate the investigation or will move aggressively against him chairman bennie, thompson they will take strong measures to hold him accountable and means is, my observation is that he was appearing for the committee on friday, can you tell us what happened. well, it was executive session, so i can't go into all the details. i was on, in the meeting, and he is required to answer questions, and if he has some privilege that he wishes to assert, he is required to assert it question by question. he refused to do that. in ultimately he and his team walked out. that's unacceptable, we are doing a follow-up with him explaining that it's unacceptable. and giving him a very short period of time to come to his sentence and comply. i hope he does. >> steve bannon did clark one better by never even bothering
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to show up. today the attorney general of the u.s., held a press conference for an announcement on a prosecution of ransomware attack, any was asked a question about mr. bannon. i want to play for you and get your reaction. here's what happened. >> can you provide a status of the referral for mr. bannon, where you are on that? >> no. this is a criminal matter it's ongoing, as you know the justice department does not comment on those. we evaluates these in the normal way that we do, the facts in the law, and applying the principles of the prosecution. >> by the book, answer, but i wonder how you think about the timeline? >> i don't know what the timeline is. obviously, they do need to take a look at the facts and law. and make a determination on whether to prosecute. i think the facts of law are
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quite clear. and i expect the attorney general, and the department of justice, will proceed accordingly. once they approve all of the material. i believe, that the analysis is being done in the ordinary course of events. it's not by the attorney general himself, it's being run by the law enforcement officials who in every case ordinarily do that. i expect that the department of will indeed prosecute. >> congresswoman, thank you very much for your time tonight. >> anytime. >> now our justice correspondent for the nation, recently published a piece -- and he in joins me now. there was a little bit of a moment today when there was announcement then went out this morning, that there will be a big department of justice announcement maybe a has something to do with this case, it did not, he did get that question, he answered it very, it's sort of the way you have
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to answer unless you make news on it. but you seem to think that they are not moving quickly enough here. why? >> the rickrolling conference was salt in the wound here. plus the answer is ridiculous, he's saying he's looking at the line the facts, the law in the facts are that steve bannon got a subpoena. here's what you have to research, was this subpoena duly authorized? yes. did he show up? no. then arrest him in were done. here's the law on the facts here. the frustration with garland for me is boiling over, it's like you go to the store with your mom, and you're like mommy mommy i really need an attorney general, an action to cherney general, and we say we have a colonel generals at home. and you end up with garland. he looks the part, but he doesn't do the thing that an attorney general is supposed to be doing. there are so many layers to this. one of the reasons why he's delaying going after steve
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bannon, is that he's trying to cross all the eyes and dot all the t's, cross the t's and dot the eyes, and he's waiting for a court ruling, showing that congress has the congressional, in the legislative purpose here. and he's kind of waiting for that decision before a goals whole hog on bannon. it sounds like a reasonable cautious thing to do, until you remember the fact that, look at what's happening. because he's delaying with van, and now all of these other subpoenas are going to be delayed. because these people most likely, would be my pick to be least likely to apply, these people are most likely not going to comply with the subpoena. now that's going to be delayed, now they are going to have to. do you see what i'm saying. there is not a lot of time here because of the political reality of the situation, and that's my last point, with the waiting for determination about legislative purpose, all of this could be --
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were doing their job, and investigating have a criminal investigation, into the people who planned and did the coup. that's would obvious for me for the select committee. >> but to me gets us closer to the point in some ways. there is a piece on basically saying, talking about garland's disposition on conservatism, his belief's primary responsible, he's not serving, they need to please it. two out of control, i don't know how to say that word, an out-of-control president. i guess, the point here seems to be twofold. one that you have the committee doing its work, but it continues to be the case,, they tried to overturn an election, that was the thing they did, whether that crosses the boundary of federal criminal law or not, i'm not a lawyer enough to know, there's
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reporting today about the full and county district attorney, and a grand jury possibly in georgia today, but that is in some ways the issue. it's like whatever this committee were to do, it really does seem like, we saw them try to attempt a coup, thus far face no criminal repercussions for investigation. >> i don't want to i think garland is a dedicated public service. but it speaks to cowardice, it speaks to street cowardice, he's happy to indict the footsoldiers, the people who breached the capitol, because that is easy, it's easy to get indictments of people waving confederate flags around him breaking windows in the capital. it's harder, imperative we harder, to investigate and prosecute and charge the people who planted. the brains behind the operation. that's harder, and he doesn't seem to have the gumption to do
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it, every time he, delays every delay that he does, brings us one step closer to democrats losing control of the house, to them not being able to continue their congressional investigation, in everybody involved getting away with it, democrats right now are kind of reeling from the election results from a week ago. wondering why voters didn't seem to care that republican party tried to coup. my question for democrats is, why is your justice department not care. where is the sense of urgency coming from the justice department and fbi, to care about these things and do something about them. because i don't see it. >> it's a fair critique. thank you very much elie. the january six memo was not the only election scenario johnny's move was dreaming. up he's also a coauthor report that claims to depicts what would happen if the results were somehow ambiguous. woody roe instead was a violent dystopian instruction manual, saying how they could --
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afternoon at 1:00, he let the legislatures of the state look into this. so we get to the bottom of, it in the american people know whether we have control of the direction of our government. or not. >> that man who was introduced by giuliani on the jan sixth rally is john eastman. today he was mid -- and he is the guy who literally wrote the memo on how to overturn the election. he's also a senior fellow at the right side think tank known as a clear math institute. back in october 2020, less than a month before the election happened, that institute released a report on 79 days to inauguration. it is the imagined aftermath of disputed election filled with violent protests, crackdowns, listen to how it's described in the way he wrote about. it >> practically the report is an instruction manual for how trump artisans at all levels of government aided by citizen posse's a proud boys and oath keepers. could light literally run up
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opposition activists, killer leaders and install donald trump for a second turn in office. he -- he joins me now. good to have you here. >> nice to be here. chris >> i want to introduce the precipitating incident for this report from the claremont institute, the right wing think tank. >> it's something that's done by the transition integrity prague project. there's a lot of folks, watching donald trump saying it's rigged it's rigged it's rigged. acting like we're headed somewhere bad. in this report says, we assess president trump is likely to contest the result, by both legal and extra legal, means intending to hold on to power. remarkably and that came true. the claremont institute then reacts to that with this report. what is? that >> right. so what's the claremont institute has, done is basically said all of you people at the transition integrity project, your hair is on fire. you don't need to worry. and your focus is on the wrong place. your focus needs to be and left
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week agitators and rioters who are going to cause all of the postelection chaos. and we the claremont institute and texas public policy foundation, we are going to put an hours sober realistic war gamer, hats and we are going to find out exactly what's going to happen in the aftermath of these nationwide riots, that we all assume are going to happen, because antifa and black lives matter, we all know they are just inherently violent. >> they're sketching out, rather than saying it's i know you are but one of my, about the obvious in donald trump, they sort of sketch out this war game thing. like it's basically pretend. it's make believe. it's even the name that makes it sound like something that's a serious rigorous undertaking. >> it's an excuse for them to write their dream scenario. so they start by imagining that on election nights, texas is initially declared it for biden, immediately afterward, the news
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stations withdraw their call that biden has won, and hot as the nation reacts. with the riots in cities across the country. they imagine 14 police officers are shot, they're fired just consuming the nation, and overwhelms police and fire officials. and so what does law enforcement do? well, they turn to rural sheriffs. who are looking to the proud boys, in the oath keepers, in the three percenters. who are putting their names out there saying, we are retired law enforcement, we are retired military. we can protect the good americans in these rural counties. from all of these raving bands of left-wing rioters, and so this is really where their scenario begins. >> it's a bizarre documents, it's extensively issued as a warning, but it's actually fantasy. is that fair to say? it's like, this is what will happen, if the left-wing doesn't get the result they want. but it's also there's a set of
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salivating happening in this bizarre. text >> as a ring in the piece, they're steering into the violent, so the transition integrity project, they knew that if trump declared that he had won the election. that there would be a place for the mass mobilization of peaceful peaceful protesters. they really wrangled, with how do we do this and maintain the peaceful character of these protests? in so you can see the tip. the transition wrestling with this question. claremont institute, they don't wrestle at all. they assumed violence will happen. and they say okay, this justifies a massive authoritarian response. starting with the federal government, which rounds up antifa and black lives leaders by the thousands. and on the lowest of charges, they used rico statutes, which is legal in a silly law. they're looking for any justification around these people, up and get them off the playing field. some of these interactions are quite, violent they it described three people being killed, an officer involved
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shootings. and as they write in the report, even the suspects nor the shooters were identified. this lands a sense of impunity to the whole exercise, and starts to sound more like death squads than any kind of legitimate law enforcement function. >> i've read sections of this and i think it's not insane characterization, to say it kind of amounts to fascist fantasy. but also, this sort of a justification, this is the thing that's in the air around all of, this when you saw michael flynn when we played in the previous, black or using martial law, it's the specter that hangs over the decision makers, that handover, when they're thinking about whether to use -- this kind of fantasy, about unrest violence in an authoritarian response, is the context for much of the decision-makers, in actual reality. >> that's what makes this much more than political fantasizing. the key players behind this report, we're very active in
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that room, with rudy giuliani. you had john eastman, you talked about the eastman memo. he's a key player in laying out this entire scenario, mcfarland, to his michael flynn's deputy at the national security council, she's part of this team that's laying out how law enforcement aided by pro trump law enforcement, and your regular posse's of proud boys, would win the 2020 election in the streets. and i think that's why this bears much more scrutiny that it's gotten. >> kristen, who wrote this up, you can find it online. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> ahead, the conservative fury over giant yellow are just trying to do his job. whatever feels about the tangible consequences of the right-wing messages on covid. that's. nextt-wing messages on covid that's next
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two kinds of messaging that americans are getting on covid. there are people out there trying to be helpful. the people across the
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ideological spectrum, the people that are simple servants, or media figures and trying to get folks vaccinated to save lives. and then there are people doing everything they can to undermine the progress that we are making, slowly, as a country. big bird from sesame street has always been a big help. which is why this is why, this weekend, the bird tweeted. i mean the burden literally tweet, but a human tweeted for the bird. i got the covid-19 vaccine today. my wing is feeling a little sore, but it will give my body an extra protective boost that keeps me and others healthy. and if you've ever watched sesame street, the show is always promoting health measures, in fact, this morning, the shull promoted this clip from big bird getting its measles vaccine. of course, that did not stop those from the right from attacking. and i cannot believe i'm saying, this big bird, for instance, aspiring podcast ted cruz who heroically attacked the tv puppet. government propaganda, for your
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five. yield and yes, this is -- trolling, it's kind of what he does. but it was a real life and death consequences. beneath all the discourse and the gotchas stuff, and all of that, you don't have to go very far to see how this constant drumbeat from people like ted cruz, specifically and others, has had had and can have huge repercussions. look at this charge, for the new york times today, showing the cumulative covid death since the beginning of this, year when vaccines first started to become available. the blue line shows county for president joe biden won 50% of the vote. the red line shows where trump show, and the gray line it's everywhere in between. they recorded in october, 25 out of every 100,000 residents are heavily died from covid, more than three times then biden counties, 7.8 per 100,000. right now we have, -- i was looking at this data
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today, they also suggests that republican adults remain unvaccinated, and -- democratic. adults i don't want to get into a this is some sign of the superior virtue, of one set of people or, another are these people are pro, science or these people are anti-science. but there is a very real thing that has happened, in this. country it really is a real, thing and it has had tangibly in a way that is very rare in governing. just a number of lies that did not have to die. >> thanks for having me back, no doubt about. it look, americans live in different information in customs. some americans get very different information than other americans do. and there are a group of americans that have been hearing nonstop, for 10:11 months, now that vaccines don't, work that they are experimental, all sorts of nonsense. and they have also been hearing, for the year, before that this was not a big deal, and this was nothing worse than the flu, so if it is not a big deal, and you have instrumental vaccine, if there's no surprise you're not gonna end up taking it.
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but the consequences are exactly what, you said what he laid out. which is that tens of thousands of people that have died unnecessarily. >> there is also something about the data that speaks to the difficulties that we've had in a response which is to say, because it focuses on the county level, a lot of these counties, in fact, maybe the majority of them are in democratic states are democratic governors for instance, they may even have local democratic administrators. we tend to focus a lot on policy. we focus on what desantis is doing. i think that policy matters. but i think behavior culture here, ecosystem, particularly vaccine have become speed, it just shows how robust that effect is. >> absolutely. it actually shows you the limit of state policy making. you can make vaccines widely available, we see that here in massachusetts, where vaccines have been available, the vast majority of people have gotten them. but there are still counties in massachusetts where vaccines
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are lower than the national average. and it is not, because the governor is doing something wrong. the bottom line is, people get their information from facebook and twitter and other sources and families. and to the extent that they have been persuaded from getting unvaccinated. and that has really been effective. >> of course the reason that big bird is tweeting about this is because we not have approved vaccines for kids 5 to 11. people in my social circle are all posting their pictures of the kids are getting vaccinated, people are trying to get on websites that are overloaded. i think all of that is going to get sorted that within a week or so. this is another place where those same messages are going to extend, that those same fights are going to extend, and i wonder what you think the public health consequences of that are? >> i'm actually really worried about the long term public consequences of the, stuff because look, we have actually been pretty bipartisan when it comes to vaccinations. the most vaccinated state in our country, pre-covid, was
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mississippi. they had fabulous policies and vaccination. i want i am really deeply worried about, is that this politicization of a vaccine, of an infectious disease, is going to make people go back and question about vaccine mandates and diesel. or polio, or other things. and i worry about really rolling back 50 60 years of public health gained. >> there is a thing that happens in these discussions rhetorically where people, i think, any argument against the vaccine, the covid vaccine ends up in a sort of logical, sounds proven too much. which is to say, if it worked for, that it worked for other vaccines. but then, you never really want to take that rhetorical tucked because, i don't want to end up in a position where you have checkmate, gotcha someone in a corner. well if you do believe, that then you can't believe in any vaccine mandates. and they say, yes fine. and then were precisely in the position that you identified. >> that is right. this isn't one of the reasons why i worry about getting into an argument with people.
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when we actually have to do is normalize this vaccine mandate. because we have been doing mandates for a long time. they have kept our kids healthy, but there are going to be people who we started seeing, this there are legislative in mississippi, who are started asking the question, maybe we should know mandates at all. we really got a push back against that, because we cannot turn our backs on the gains of science and public health over the last century. >> all right, doctor ashish k. jha, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> coming up a big day at the un in glasgow, where he spoke today, barack obama referred to himself as john kerry's hype man. suddenly lived up to his own billing, we'll show you how, next. w you how, next don't just put on a light show—be the light show. make your nights anything but silent. and ride in a sleigh that really slays. because in a cadillac, tradition is yours to define.
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united nations climate change conference has been taking place in glasgow scotland. the u.s. has taken a leading active role in these proceedings, president joe biden in fact went there
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himself, addressed the conference last week. something that would have obviously been entirely unthinkable had donald trump and directed president one year ago. in fact the trump administration's backtracking on climate policy is cause the world precious time we simply do not have. a mistake former president obama addressed at that climate conference today. >> back in the united states of, course some of our progress stalled when, my successor decided to unilaterally pull out of the paris agreement, in his first year in office. i wasn't really happy about that. and yet, the determination of our state and local governments, along with the regulations an investment that my administration had already put in place, allowed our country to keep moving forward. despite hostility from the white house. >> president biden officially rejoin the paris agreement earlier this year, it was a
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main campaign pledge and he did. it former president obama noted today, the trump administration was not the only global play but player to dodge its climate responsibilities over the last few years. >> the ratcheting up of him mission that we anticipated impairs six years ago, has not been uniformly regulated. i have to confess, it was particularly discouraging to see the leaders of two of the world's largest admit or's, china and russia, declined to even attend the proceedings. then and their national plan so far reflect what it appears to be, a dangerous lack of urgency. a willingness to maintain the status quo. on the part of those governments. you mets a shame. >> he's right about, that but there's a little bit of a glass house situation, here the u.s. does not have an exemplary record on climate. under both democrat and republican administrations, the country has moved far too slowly to address the apocalyptic threat of global climate catastrophe. when republicans are in power,
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they actually move the country back into denial. when democrats are in via they move head very slowly. and we need to move ahead quickly. last week the house passed the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which to its credit contains billions of queens energy, but it does not go nearly far enough. the real big climate provisions, the biggest ever, in the history of this country, will have to come from the democrats on the build back better bill, which as of now faces an uncertain future. one of the key people in the biden administration charged with making a difference on climate, joins me now. climate, joins me now. climate, joins me now. eleven. why do an expense report from your phone when you can do it from a machine that jams? i just emailed my wife's social security number to the entire company instead of hr, so... please come back. how hard is your business software working for you? with paycom, employees enter and manage their own hr data in one easy-to-use software. visit for a free demo.
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2005 levels. by 2030. the u.s. is back. >> president obama touting the importance of president biden's build back better agenda and blasio this morning, even though that bill he was discussing, has not actually passed the house, very late friday night the house did pass another big biden bill, the bipartisan infrastructure bill, but the infrastructure bill does not have any of the real big climate fighting measures in, it like the one president boma touted. those are all on the nearly two trillion dollar social policy and climate plan, that has a very unclear future at this moment. i'm joined now by one of the key members of biden's cabinet, when it comes to fighting climate change, secretary of energy jennifer granholm. secretary, it's great to have. you first i want to start on that note, you have president obama talking about the climate provisions. the build back better reconciliation bill. that has not been passed. instead we have the infrastructure bill, you are
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just in scotland. what were you telling people there. were you telling them we're going to pass this thing trust me? >> well, yes we were. and in fact, i left on saturday, just after the infrastructure bill was, passed by the way chris, just desolate correction on that, the infrastructure bill actually does have some significant climate provisions, including billions of dollars for the transmission grid. including electric vehicle charging stations. including billions of dollars for the weather-ization of homes, including capping oil and glass walls which are the source of a good number of methane leaks. there are a lot of climate provisions, climate related provisions in the infrastructure bill, however, your point that the reconciliation, bill the next step, is going to be really exponentially more important, because, the long pole in the tents are about tax credits,
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that are very significant, that will get the private sector to invest in solar, wind, geothermal, hydrogen, clean hydrogen, hydro power, and the batteries for the electric vehicle etc, there's the one to punch on both of those bills would be very significant for the climb altogether those two will be about 700 billion dollars. the biggest investment we've ever made in combatting climate change. >> i'm curious, what is the conference, like i've never been to one of these, i thought about going, when i think about the politics of, this it just seems like, it feels kind of despair. we're watching how hard it is to get 50 democratic senators to agree on something. that's hard enough. you're talking about every country in the world, agreeing on something. and agreeing and anything that is difficult. that is going to be difficult for everyone. well is it like to be there? what is the mood like at these things? >> well, i think the mood, everybody there of course is
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totally committed to this fight, and every country is doing its own version of what we are doing. but some more in some. less one of the things that happens there are a series of announcements that every country makes about what it's going to do. for example, the united states announced something call network zero world, we're going to help countries that made ambitious pledges but maybe didn't have the means to develop the pathway to get to those ambitious pledges. for example the technology pathways. so we are going to help a number of countries, like indonesia, egypt ukraine, to get to their goals of net zero by 2050, through our national labs. we have 17 national labs. they have the expertise in identifying the pathway. that's the kind of announcement we made. also we made a big announcement for the u.s., did on removing co2 from the atmosphere, we have a series of earthshots you know you a moon shots, will we have earthshots. to be able to get to the technology leaves that are
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necessary, to reach our goals. these are longer term strategies, we are carbon negative shot was to move carbon from the atmosphere, cause the inner governmental panel on climate change says we cannot get to our overall goals, without all manner of technologies, including carbon removal, from the atmosphere. >> are you confident? i mean i think i know the answer. but are you confident that when you talk about the 700 billion dollars in investment across the two, bills i agree that there is some good stuff, the infrastructure bill the grid stuff which will talk about in the second, i guess everyone is sort of wondering, is this thing going to happen? and just like, how confident are you that it's going to happen in those climate investments are going to be there in the final thing that gets signed into law? >> you're talking about in the second step? >> yes in the second step. >> yeah. yeah. no, listen, the president would
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not have put it out, and expressed utter confidence in, it if he hadn't been having significant conversations with the senators, who were more reluctant to support a bigger part of the bill. i am very confident that we are going to get for example, these very significant tax credits, which are monetizable. they are paid up front, to allow for the build out of these technologies. i that is over a long period of time, it will be a game-changer. we have to triple the amount of newer energy and the transmission grid. we have to double one of the tech cracks credits is a tax credit of -- in addition to already what's in the infrastructure package. these are significant incentives. to be able to do it we need to do. >> how far, just in the bipartisan infrastructure bill. the one that has been passed, what is, explain to me what that money does, when we talk about the. grid is seems very abstract to
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me. and there's a lot of things that have to happen with the grid. where does that money go to begin with? who gets it in order they do? >> yeah. for one, one example, we need to be able to, as the federal government take a position, an off take position on the building of transmission. lines are not built on spec. they're built by folks who are private sector folks, who are going to be insured of a payback. but if you don't have, an immediate off take, it's too much risk for them. so the united states can help that, by saying we will have some of the off take. we need to use our facilities and renewable energy, we will take that, risk we know it is going to be paid back in full. that's one example of how we will be able to do that, incentivizing local governments to be able to grant the permitting for some of the big transmission lines. doing the planning in the digging if we're going to put transmission lines on federal rights of way, including along freeways, or on federal lands. those are all the kinds of
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things that we are going to be inside the department creating a, glued deployment authority to be able to. due to break down some of the barriers that are definitely out there. >> all right, secretary, just back from scotland, thank you very much. >> you. but >> that is all in on this monday evening. rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening rachel. >> good evening chris. i got your text. i cannot have dinner with you tomorrow, but i would like to have a rain check very soon. is that possible? >> that's great. and anytime you want to discuss their attacks on national television, also great. yes, arrange epic. i'm holding you arrange act. and i will send a follow-up. in the future. >> i was just going to say, and we will please exchange puppy picks. thank you very much. we'll never talk about this in public again. thank you my friend. and thanks to your home for joining us. that's our big show, tonight lots of news to get to. late this afternoon, six new subpoenas for high-profile subpoenas. issued by the january six
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investigation in congress. they have subpoenaed the trump 2020 campaign manager, trump national security adviser mike flynn. trump campaign communications chief jason miller. the disgraced former new york city police commissioner,er york city police commissioner/ ex-convict bernie kerik, john eastman who devised the strategy that was the reason trump summoned his supporters to washington on january 6th. he's the one that basically wrote the strategy that said vice president mike pence magically had the power to overturn the election on january 6th. also a trump campaign staffer named angela mccallum, she was u according to the committee subpoenaed because she apparently called state lawmakers in at least one state and told them on behalf of the trump campaign that they should appoint trump electors, even though trump had lost in that state, lost in b ctn all six of these trump world officials have been subpoenaed today, and along with


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