tv American Voices With Alicia Menendez MSNBC November 7, 2021 3:00pm-4:00pm PST
we begin this hour with the road ahead for the president and his party's agenda. now that congress has passed the bipartisan infrastructure bill, specifically how the president and his party can harness this momentum on capitol hill to get other items on the agenda passed. for now, the focus is on build back better, the president's signature social safety net and climate change bill has already passed a procedural rule. it's expected to hit the house floor for a vote the week of the 15th in just over a week. and while there are signs of opposition, like from west virginia senator joe manchin, the president's inner circle remains optimistic. >> senator manchin has been a partner. he's a lot more conservative, and everybody sees that, but he's been a willing partner to come to the table with constructive dialogue, and we are confident in where we will go with our bipartisan -- our build back better framework. we need to get it done. we need to get it done now
because if you look at the 17 nobel prize winning economists, they said that it will ease inflationary pressures, help with the supply chain, and invest in the human capital in this country all at one time. >> the pushback from moderates all about the price tag. the bill started at a price tag of $3.5 trillion. the white house and democrats have worked the total down to $1.75 trillion, which will pass muster with moderates if the congressional budget office report matches white house estimates. to be clear, that number, $1.75 trillion, is over ten years. the house just approved a defense budget for 2022 that is four times more expensive. as for progressives in the party, you'll remember they once demand build back better be passed with the infrastructure bill. but thanks to negotiations by speaker pelosi and the congressional black caucus, most progressives ultimately agreed to what played out on friday, passing infrastructure but
holding a procedural vote on build back better. joining us, congressman stephen horsford of nevada. talk to me about what happened during speaker pelosi a talks with the cbc. how did she manage to get so many folks onboard with passing the infrastructure bill before passing build back better? >> well, thank you, alicia, for having me on. you know, with the tremendous leadership of the congressional black caucus, our chairwoman, joyce beatty, the majority whip jim clyburn, and our caucus chair hakeem jeffries and every one of the congressional black caucus chairs, we were able to propose a breakthrough really between the factions that led to the vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill and moving forward on the build back better framework, which now guarantees that we're going to deliver big for the american people. democrats did just that, and
we're going to continue to deliver for them as we pass additional measures this year. >> i want to say i really appreciate your shifting the focus from speaker pelosi to the cbc because this is how these things happen. it's not like someone comes into a room and gives like one monumental speech, and everyone is, you're right, i changed my mind. this is about going person to person, office to office. help us understand why the cbc was in such a strong position to address the critical crux of this debate. >> because both the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the build back better bill are important to the black community as it is to all america. and we understand that we had to get it done. we had to pass these bills so that we could deliver for our constituents. for example, in the bipartisan infrastructure bill, in las
vegas, where i represent and where i'm from, we have one of the warmest cities in the country. and about 80% of the people of color, african-american and latino, are exposed to these higher temperatures. that's why we need to address the climate crisis. we have an enormous drought, and the bipartisan infrastructure bill provides critical investments to address things like brown fields legislation, to provide funding for broadband, to make historic investment in public transit, and to make broadband accessible for the majority of americans. those are important provisions, and we need to go further by passing the build back better agenda as well. together they're going to deliver the historic provisions that we need to move our country forward. >> what do you think is the actual timeline on build back better? >> well, what we're going to do
is get the information by november 15th that will allow us to now move that bill to a vote in the full house, and then it will go to the senate. but more important than the process is what's in it. the build back better act provides tax cuts for the majority of americans with children. in my district, 92% of children are benefiting from the child tax credit. it will create millions of good-paying, union jobs. it's going to lower costs from everything from housing to health care to child care, and it's going to make those critical investments we need in our climate economy, our green economy, to help grow those sectors of our economy. and it does so by not leaving any community behind. this is something that i don't think has actually gotten enough attention. there are really important
equity provisions that are included in both the bipartisan infrastructure bill and especially in the build back better agenda that we worked on that ensures that when we build back better, we do it in a way that does not leave communities of color behind. it does not leave women behind. and it addresses the systemic issues that have created the inequities to begin with. >> nevada congressman steven horsford, thank you so much. let's bring in our panel. katie tubman, lauren gambino, and ferdinand amandi. lauren, moderates have agreed to vote for this spending bill if the budget office matches the white house estimate. if that is the case, explain why they're still negotiating going on. >> well, you still have to convince two moderates in the senate who have already pushed back on some of the provisions that the house wants to include,
such as paid family leave. we saw that pulled out. now, you know, it's gone back into the house bill, and it's going to get to the senate, where it could again be stripped out. so there are still negotiations that need to happen, and that's why you're now seeing moderates really need to come to the table, you know, figure out what they can get behind, what they will pass because as you're seeing, as we saw play out on friday, there is a lot of desire to get things done, to prove that they can govern, to show that they are going to be able to pass a democratic president's agenda. you know, so they need to decide what they can pass in the senate, and that's why they're still negotiating. >> katie, i take the congressman's point that he doesn't want to talk about process. he wants to talk about what is actually in the legislation. the challenge with that is in order to get to what is in the legislation, in order to actually deliver, we have to get
through the mechanics of this. so let's help the audience understand. what happens when the cbo returns its projections? what then are the next steps for the spending bill? >> right. and so i want to really point out what you just said, alicia, about getting into the specifics of the procedure. i think right now a lot of americans might think this was a victory, but there are many other parts that are going to follow and hold up this bill for who knows how long. it could take weeks before we actually hear what the score is. but right afterward, we'll have to hear from those moderates, as lauren just mentioned, and see what they will concede with if anything. so at the same time, we're going to expect that progressives are going to hold their end and hold the line because they've given up so much and compromised on so much. and even seeing the five or so progressives stand firm on the infrastructure bill and that vote, we can expect them to stand firm on not losing anything else. so what we're going to see is where do moderates stand? where are they going to come in when it comes back that this may
be too much money, may not actually cost what we've heard? if it does come within the range that we've heard -- and there's been several changes on that in the past few months -- we can only expect that republicans are going to have to balk at one point. but it would have to be a very, very close -- the overall score will have to be very impressive to see if it's going to make any headway with republicans. at the same time, we're going to see that progressives are going to hold down their side because, again, they've given so much up. >> ferdinand, this was a vote largely along partisan lines. there were republicans who voted for it. they are now being trolled by the trump acolytes in their own party. let's put those folks aside for a moment. for the vast majority of republicans who didn't vote for this, who didn't engage on this, how do democrats hold them accountable? >> well, remember, you have to look at this presidency thus far has been largely done without
the assistance of any republican support, and the democrats just need to continue branding these initiatives that are happening as a result of a democratic presidency are happening largely without any kind of republican support. the american rescue act, which was over $1 trillion at the beginning of the administration, also done without a single republican vote. so with the build back better plan, if they can get that across the finish line, which i believe they will, it's just making this case and drawing this contrast. also important to note, even though joe biden today finds himself at the lowest approval rating of his presidency at 38% approval according to today's "usa today" poll, in just nine months, he has already accomplished more on the domestic legislation front in terms of securing and fortifying the american economy than any of the three previous republican presidents. so, again, it's up to the democrats to draw the contrast on exactly how these bills and this legislation are improving the quality of life without the support of the republicans and
without republicans having done anything when they were in control of the government. >> lauren, i got to ask you when you talk to congressional republicans, is there an element of surprise that democrats were able to pull this over the finish line? is there any regret about the way they played this? >> no -- well, some republicans were -- i think there was an open question about how many republicans were going to vote for this, and we didn't -- you know, we were surprised, as the group of reporters covering this, we were surprised to see the number go up and up and up throughout the night. certainly i think republicans, you know, nancy pelosi trying to get a whip count, trying to know how many democrats she could lose, she didn't know. so i think that, you know, 13 doesn't sound like a lot. we have to remember the senate passes with 19 including mitch mcconnell. so, you know, this is not a big progressive bill. this is very much a bipartisan bill. but, you know, the republican leadership in the house, they
really pressured their members not to give democrats any votes. they wanted democrats to keep fighting amongst themselves and have to pull this off on their own or fail on their own. and so i think there is some angst. certainly we've seen some members express real anger at the member who did support this bill. next, to the burbs and beyond. why some political experts argue democrats need to rethink their ground game in rural america, especially after tuesday's election in virginia. plus the onslaught of attacks against republicans by republicans for supporting the president's infrastructure bill. what message does that send to gop voters? and breaking news in houston. a lawsuit now filed against travis scott and others after eight were killed in the crowd. we're going to explain. and later, fearmongering ensues now that kids can get the covid vaccine. dr. kavita patel helps separate fact from fiction for parents, still to come on "american
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tuesday's election results in virginia highlighted a problem for democrats. dwindling support in rural america. over the last decade, rural communities have increasingly become republican strongholds. look at this analysis from "the new york times." in the 2008 presidential race, republicans won just four rural virginia counties with more than 70% of the vote. fast forward to this tuesday. republican candidate glenn youngkin won 45 counties, more than 70% of the vote. youngkin had more than 80% support in 15 of those counties. the big takeaway here is the margin of victory in smaller counties. new reporting from nbc news frames it this way. there's a difference between losing rural areas by 10 or 15 as opposed to 25 or 30 points. the latter leaves much less margin for error. and if rural voters are charged up the way they were on tuesday, democrats are going to need to
make those places at least a little more competitive. illinois congressman tray bous tow says democrats need to do more to appeal to rural voters. >> we have to start talking to more people at the tractor supply rather than the trader joe's. and what i mean by that, i looked at a map this morning, where do we have trader joe's in the state of illinois? there's not one outside of chicagoland. where do we have tractor supply stores? they're all over the place. we have to make sure we're starting to make gains in areas where we're literally tanking. >> joining our panel to discuss, adam harris, the staff writer for "the atlantic." i want to start with this point made by dnc chair jaime harrison this morning. >> in some people's minds when you talk about rural voters, they automatically think you're
only talking about white voters. rural america is just as diverse as urban america. part of the reason why democrats haven't shown up, because the numbers aren't as big, right? you can go into an urban area, and you can get hundreds and thousands of voters. but we can also go into rural america, and we may not win that county, but if you cut the margins by which you lose it, ultimately it helps you on the top of the ticket. >> adam, a similar conversation to what we have about suburban women or suburban moms, this presumption we're talking exclusively about white women when we're not because the suburbs have changed. what are some of the perceptions about rural voters, who we think they are, what we think they care about and who they actually are. >> it's one of the things had we talk about suburban voters, when we talk about rural voters, there's this sort of asterisk next to it that says, okay, this is also a white voter. but really when you're thinking
about rural voters, you think places like rural alabama, rural georgia, rural virginia, rural south carolina, this was actually a strategy that dnc chair harrison was trying to employ right before everything was shut down, just sort of reach out to some of those rural communities to try to engage voters. you know, people who used to tell the story about a dirt road. i wrote a profile about him when he was running for senator in south carolina, and he tells a story about driving down this dirt road and this person saying that, you know, people come down here and they promise us things and never actually do things. i think showing up, explaining that, what the dnc wants to do is show up, explain they are going to actually have policies that will affect rural america, and then of course the next step is actually passing something. >> i think that gets exactly at it, fernand, which is understanding what people want, part of it is the policies. part of it is them understanding
that things are actually getting done, that washington can work. fernand, you come from the world of polls, of focus groups. i wonder how the idea of dems showing up at different places, how that lands with you as an approach. >> with all due respect to congresswoman bustos, that line about showing up at the tractor supply instead of the trader joe's, reminds me of that gif of the disney movie look at each other and say, why not both? i didn't see anything in the provisions of the american rescue act, the affordable care act, or now the infrastructure bill that had a set aside or eliminated needs of rural voters. the democrats just have to do simple politics here, which, yes, is showing up. but you got to show up everywhere. this is actually something that i learned firsthand here in my home state of florida. there was always this notion over the years that florida couldn't be won for the democrats because the cuban vote was this very republican vote
that there's no sense going down there when we suggested with the proposition along with president obama in 2008 and 2012 that if you go after this segment of the vote, who knows? you might get something. lo and behold, we were able to move those margins just enough to win florida in 2008 and 2012. that's exactly what's at play here. if the democrats think they can win, losing the rural vote by 70, 80, 90 points, it's just a fool's errand. it's very simple. show up. talk about how these provisions in these bills are going to directly impact them. think about the impact alone of universal broadband in the structure bill, how that will bring rural america, if you will, with free technological access into the 21st century, that alone is a major piece. there are things like that they can do to drive this agenda forward. >> adam, you have written so much about this over the years, about the corollary between internet access, education, and then political identity. i also want to ask you, though, about republicans seizing on issues ranging from how race is
taught in schools, pandemic policies, and a new piece for "the atlantic," you write attacks on critical race theory, quote, does seem to have worked, propelling youngkin to victory. but in several other well financed, lower ballot races across the country, an emphasis on similar grievances did not deliver victories to anti-crt candidates. was there too much being read into what happened in virginia? >> you know, i think that one of the things that came out of this last week was that, you know, a sort of tempering expectations about what virginia actually meant. ballot pedia tracked 300 races across the country and found only 25% declared sort of anti-crt candidate win. that's not to say this isn't going to be a wedge issue going forward, but maybe it wasn't the sole political driver. you have to remember we were in for last two years a sort of
once in a generation pandemic where parents were at home with their children who were learning online. virginia was one of the states that had the fewest open school days last year. so you also had some of that animus that was sort of driving that. so when youngkin was seizing on sort of schools as an issue, you know, it was more than just the sort of anti-crt and schools as a more broad issue. >> thank you so much for your time. next, gop infighting. after more than a dozen republicans voted to pass the infrastructure bill, what republicans in disarray can tell us about the midterms. in the 8:00 p.m. eastern hour on msnbc, mehdi hasan will speak with kimberly crenshaw, one of the founders of critical race theory.
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donald trump. >> thank you. thank you so much. thank you. yep. thank you so much. i just wanted to congratulate glenn youngkin and mostly myself on a tremendous victory in virginia. you know, what, glenn, we did it together. >> oh, you don't have to say that. >> it's great to be frankly winning again. we love to win. you know what? you're going to see a lot more winning where that came from. let me tell you. you're going to see it a lot. >> you can take me off the split screen. >> no. we did this together. we did it so good. okay? i really want you to stay. >> that was last night's "snl" poking fun at glenn youngkin trying to down play the support of donald trump. youngkin tried to create the appearance of distance between himself and the former president. 13 republicans who voted for improved roads and bridges, mass transit, and broadband connections for their constituents, something that clearly benefits all americans, now facing backlash from the
trump loyalist members of their own party. and of course trump himself. north carolina congressman madison cawthorn and colorado congressman lauren boebert questioning their loyalty to their party, going as far as calling their colleagues democrats posing as republicans. marjorie taylor greene calling them traitors again, because we can't stress this enough, for helping pass legislation that will benefit all americans. what we see playing out is gop blood letting. as aaron black from "the washington post" puts it, the bill included lots of popular projects and in another era, probably would have gotten significantly more gop votes. we live in this era, in which delivering a political win for the other side, however popular the bill and however much your constituents might want it, is seen as -- my panel is back with us.
this happens in other parties b this seems to be to be particularly ugly. >> absolutely. i think it definitely is considering that house minority leader kevin mccarthy had whipped against the bill last week and confidently predicted almost no republican would vote for it. then 13 republicans defied him and voted for biden's bill. so it's going to get ugly. now when we saw the attacks on these republicans who voted for the bill, i think what's important to point out is this bill garnered 19 senate republican votes in august, but three months have passed. that is considerable. and in that time, house republicans have come to see this bill as inextricably connected to biden's build back better social spending bill. the messaging right now is these bills are tied together. if you vote for one, you vote for biden, you vote for both. right now what we're probably going to see going forward is even more attacks on these republicans. but what's really important to point out other than that 19
republicans have voted for this bill in august is that a lot of the republicans who joined these democrats in voting for this bill have either coined themselves as problem solvers or they see this bill as practical, something that's going to save people's time, their money, their homes, their lives. at the end of the day, it's about making a massive investment and also saying that infrastructure has always been unanimous in the past. why are we politicizing it now? >> lauren, i'm curious when you talk to congressional democrats, is there a sense that something has shifted and that there now is potentially more of an opportunity to work with republicans on a whole host of other things? >> i don't think that there's much optimism for that. infrastructure seems to be that rare issue that, you know, might garner bipartisanship. but even then, you know, it barely did. we got even less members of the house than in the senate, which is pretty remarkable,
republicans voting for that bill. so i don't think there's a lot of optimism that you're going to get republicans backing the build back better agenda. you know, i think we're also looking down the pike at a fight over voting rights. you're seeing in the senate joe manchin sort of struck out on his own to try to cobble together this compromise that could win over republicans, and it just hasn't worked. you know, there's just not the votes there to break the filibuster on voting rights legislation. so i think, you know, democrats are not counting on republicans for their big-ticket priorities, and i think we're only going to hear more and more about how democrats circumvent them than try to overcome their resistance. >> even if there is not this practical reality that all of a sudden republicans are going to come to the table and start negotiating with democrats and work hand in hand to pass legislation, there is the political reality that for so long, we have asked about former
president trump's hold on his own party. the fact that you had members who in their political calculus thought it was more important to vote for this piece of legislation to deliver for their constituents, knowing full well that the price would be that there would be attacks from trump and his minions, i think that tells you a lot about his waning power over his own party. >> i mean there's no question he's not as powerful not being president, but i would still wait before writing trump's obituary. if anything, i would look at those votes as maybe even early resignation letters from those 13 members of the gop because my goodness, gracious, they are already under fire, and these are folks that have probably, what, 99% voting records in the past with president trump and the republican administration. but it just goes to show you this is now an authoritarian personality cult. there is no room for dissension.
there's no room for anything that looks like it's breaking the party line. and if anything, alicia, i think what it also does is maybe create a scenario where even on build back better, this idea you're going to call all 13 of those traitors? well, maybe some of those traitors in the republican caucus say, you know what? i'm going to start voting my conscience, and pelosi and the democrats can start maybe counting on some unexpected gop votes if the republicans keep up this tack. >> kadia, as i was speaking, we were looking at those members and he made the reference to the fact this may be some early resignation letters given in another form. you see adam kinzinger up on the screen in that milieu of people who voted for this. is there something to that, and is that a trend we are going to start seeing, that people are saying, i can't -- i can't operate like this. i'm out. have my vote. >> that is quite a possibility. this could be the moment in which they decide, do we keep
going with this party that is much aligned and much tied to trump, or do we follow what we said we would do for our constituents when they put us in office? i think when you look at, like, rep don young in alaska, who has represented the state for 25 terms, you're thinking about him saying, well, i endorse this bill. i think that infrastructure is -- as he said, damn near unanimous, that we should not be arguing about it, he has constituents who believe in him, who have had this confidence in him to go forth into d.c. and represent his district. so at the end of the day, it might not be that they are only putting in legislation letters but actually just saying to their constituents, we hear what you want. we are following what you want. at the end of the day, when it comes to making the calls of whether you're going to get better roads, bridges, highways, better power grid and internet access, we're going to go with what you need and what the people need. so i think what we can see is a
little fracture in the messaging of whether we go with the voters and what they are saying they need from the people who they vote to represent them, or do we go with trump and try to stay with the rest of the party? >> it really strikes me what aaron blake wrote in that piece, that in a different era, we would be having a very different conversation about this. but we are living in the era we are in. kadia, lauren, fernand, thank you all so much. next, investigations galore from the trump organization, the insurrection. jill wine-banks is here to dig through the latest headlines, including an investigation in atlanta into election interference by trump and his allies. plus, breaking news in houston. a lawsuit filed against travis scott and live nation in connection with the stampede this weekend that left eight dead. stay with us. , so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? you got it. ♪ liberty, liberty - liberty, liberty ♪ uh, i'll settle for something i can dance to.
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close to convening a grand jury, accelerating the investigation into trump's efforts to overturn the georgia election results. as you may remember, trump made this plea to the georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> you know, he just wants to find them. raffensperger saying this week he's willing to testify and that he's already cooperating with the atlanta d.a.'s inquiry. >> we sent documents as requested and that's really because you had to follow the law, follow the constitution, and they have constitutional authority to convene a grand jury. >> and that is just one of several sources of legal jeopardy for trump on both sides of the atlantic. in manhattan, a second grand jury has been impanelled to look
into the trump organization. the westchester county scrutinizing the finances of his golf course there. and a similar investigation taking place overseas in scotland. all of this on top of the congressional inquiry into january 6th. joining me now, msnbc contributor and former watergate prosecutor jill wine-banks. which of his many problems is his biggest problem? >> his biggest problem is that there are so many of them, and it's not just these criminal ones. there are civil cases. he has defamation cases that he's going to have to defend. there are numerous things, civil from the new york attorney general, criminal from the manhattan d.a., the westchester d.a., in georgia, in d.c., taxes. don't forget that audit that's been pending since 2015. someday he may owe millions of dollars, and that should be
settled, it seems to me, pretty soon because audits shouldn't take that long. >> okay. so let's talk about the first manhattan grand jury indicted trump organization cfo allen weisselberg for tax fraud. explain to us why a second set of jurors is taking over. do we have any idea what charges they may be considering? >> it can be something continuing from the first, or it can be something new. what's happening is because of the backlog of federal criminal cases due to covid, you may need a special grand jury, and the same may be true in other jurisdictions as well. you may need a special grand jury dedicated solely to investigating trump or the trump organization. and the other one in new york was on the trump organization, which led to an indictment of the organization and its cfo. this could be targeting someone else within the organization. could be donald trump. it could be one of his children.
it could be remember calamari. it could be any number of people. it's only speculation that would take us to understand why a second one. there could also be some expiration in the term of the first one, and this one is going to be meeting three times a week for six months. that is a heavy-duty assignment for any grand juror. >> i also want to ask you a question about timing because this week new yorkers, of course, elected a new manhattan d.a. what are the chances of trump investigation wrapping up before that handover? does that create any sense of urgency around it? >> it doesn't. it could wrap up. it's still months away. it could wrap up before the end of the year. otherwise, the next d.a. will take over. and remember the people who are presenting evidence and taking witnesses and documents in the grand jury are not the d.a.
it's the assistant d.a.s, and they stay throughout despite who the actual d.a. is. so it should not in any way interfere. there should be no logs of information when the new d.a. takes over. >> joyce, i have to tell you, i always feel, jill, like mary poppins when we do these segments. but instead of taking out my bag and pulling out lamps, i'm just taking out cases. i federal judge seems likely to real trump's white house records. the next step in that lawsuit over these documents? >> and you're right about the number of cases that are pending, both federally and in different states. but in case of the documents, there could be a request that they be limited. there may be some that are too far afield. so far, it doesn't seem to me, based on the letters requesting
documents and what we know about the basis for them, that it is too broad. i think we need a very broad set of documents in order to understand what laws does congress need to pass in order to stop future events like this? and, remember, they are not punishing past violations of existing criminal laws. they're looking at what civil and criminal laws they should pass to protect democracy, and we have to protect our democracy. it really came close to being abolished during the insurrection and all the stuff after it and listening to all of the things like, well, just get me one more vote than the democrats won by so that i win. just one more vote. i mean it was a specific number. and, you know, that's of course, i think, election fraud, solicitation of election fraud, conspiracy to commit election fraud. these are all things that the criminal side needs to get, but
you also need to look at what kind of conversations should be prohibited between a candidate and the secretary of state or whoever it is who's in charge of counting ballots. so i don't -- i don't think they're too broad, and i think that ultimately we're going to get those documents. and americans are going to know and congress will know what to do in terms of passing laws. that's what happened during watergate. laws were passed. unfortunately, many of them have been undone either by the supreme court or by congressional action, and we need it. >> jill, before i let you go, and i do have to go, i do want to know about your pin. >> well, there were so many cases and so much going on -- sorry my hair is in the way of my pin. but i thought three strikes and you're out. you know, i was counting georgia, the district of columbia, the d.a. in manhattan, the january 6th committee. you know, there's more than three that could end up being the end of donald trump.
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rapper travis scott and live nation calling the incident a predictable and preventible tragedy claiming both were a quote failure to properly plan and conduct the concert in a safe manner. authorities now combing through hours of video and other footage to determine what caused the stampede. eight are confirmed dead after the crowd suddenly surged toward the stage as travis scott performed. tonight more than a dozen remain hospitalized. nbc news correspondent catie beck is in houston tracking the latest. >> we've seen quite a bit of foot traffic outside the venue today as members of the community have been coming to pay their respects, putting flowers and candles down outside a makeshift memorial. also concert goers coming to retrieve items they might have left behind as they left quickly on friday night when things were shut down. investigators still working hard to answer the central question in this case, what caused the crowd to surge and what caused eight people to lose their lives? they say the answers to those
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vintage clothing store owner whose shop is being taken over for a shoot. >> we had costume departments come to do some shopping but this is the first time we've ever been scouted. >> reporter: it is a big change from a few years ago when a previous north carolina governor ended film subsidies and a transgender bathroom ban led to a boycott by hollywood. >> all the pictures coming here went to canada and then all of a sudden we lost a lot of films to georgia, too. >> reporter: jonas pate created the netflix hit "outer banks" but had to shoot in south carolina during the boycott. he worked hard and worked to successfully overturn the bathroom law and bring back incentives. >> if we have incentives we have work and if we don't have incentives we don't. it is that simple. >> reporter: there is so much content being created here and everywhere really. as production spreads, hanging over everything is the tragedy of santa fe on the set
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