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distraction. >> yeah. well, thanks to both of you. i'm a lot smarter for the conversation, cecelia kung for "the new york times," nina jankowicz at the wilson center, author of "how to use the information war." catch me next weekend. for now, "the sunday show with jonathan capehart." nday show wih jonathan capehart. president biden's win on infrastructure is a big fin' deal. how the democrats plan to rebound from election day 2021. dnc chair jamie harrison joins me with a preview. also, nightmare conditions inside the nation's largest public housing system. rich a torres joins me on an unforgettable tour. and this happened, exactly one
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year ago today. we did it. we did it, joe. you're going to be the next president of the united states. >> i'm jonathan capehart. this is "the sunday show." n capt this is "the sunday show." this sunday president biden is looking to build on a major legislative win. after months of democratic infighting, the house finally passed the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill which is now on its way to the president's desk to be signed into law. >> the motion is adopted. >> it is a notch in the belt for the president who campaigned on its passage and has been facing sliding aproval numbers. the bill makes historic
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investments to upgrade the nation's roads and bridges, expand access to broadband and clean drinking water, and could relieve the nation's jammed supply chain. the measure passed 228-206 with 13 republicans voting in favor and six democrats voting against. meanwhile, a planned vote on the larger $1.75 trillion build back better act was tossed after moderates insisted on seeing an analysis from the congressional budget office on the bill's impact on the deficit before voting on it. although they assured progressives they would back it when the time comes. >> i trust that they looked me in my eye and said they were going to pass the build back better act as soon as they had a chance to look at the fiscal information and that will be transformative. we will send it over to the senate just as we anticipated, with more in it, alex, than even what was laid out in the biden framework. >> the house did advance the social spending bill by passing
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a procedural rule and is expected to take it up upon returning from next week's recess. >> joining me now, cedric richmond, senior adviser to president biden. thank you for coming back to "the sunday show." >> thank you for having me, jonathan. >> let's give the president an opportunity to herald this accomplishment and i'll ask you about it on the other side. >> it puts us on a path to win the economic competition of the 21st century that we faced with china and other large countries and the rest of the world. it is going to create more jobs, good paying jobs, union jobs, that can't be outsourced and they're going to transform our transportation system with the most significant investments, in passenger rail, the most significant investment in 50 years, in roads and bridges, the most significant investment in 70 years and more investment in public transit than we have ever, ever made.
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period. >> so, cedric in the words of then vice president joe biden at the signing of the affordable care act, here in 2021, this is a big f'ing deal, isn't it? >> it is. one, it is the second prong of our three-prong approach to getting the country back on track, which is the american rescue plan infrastructure and the -- the build back better human capital bill. so it is. we're going to invest in clean energy. we're going to finally stop 10 million families from drinking contaminated water through lead service lines. . we're going to make sure every family has high speed internet so children aren't being left behind with virtual learning and that families can -- and seniors more importantly can have access to the internet. we're going to invest in resiliency. we're going to do environmental justice and remediate brown
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fields. this is a humongous deal all while creating jobs and lowering inflationary pressures. >> so you talked about the three prongs here, american rescue plan, check. infrastructure, the bipartisan infrastructure plan, check. the third piece, the third prong, the human infrastructure piece or what is better known as the build back better act is the next hurdle to cross. how confident are you that we're not going to see the machinations we have seen over the last few months and a deal will happen on november 15th to pass build back better? >> we're going to get a vote on build back better. and look, everything has noise around it, but just like the american rescue plan, just like the infrastructure bill, noise around it, but at the end of the day, we got it done. and build back better is a key component to our agenda, when
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you start talking about investing in families and children and cutting taxes for working families. those things are incredibly important. and we think the framework we laid out has 50 votes in the senate, we think that it is popular in the house. and we're going to continue to work to get it there. look, we know we have some senators who are a little bit more conservative than others and we'll keep working with them and keep pushing. but we think we have a framework that can get passed. >> but, are you going against a yes when some of the conservative senators are talking about, you know, one might have a problem with the substance of the bill, while another will have a problem with how you're going to pay for the substance in the bill. it is a continuous game of whac-a-mole. do you think that game of whac-a-mole will end and you'll be able to come up with a plan that gets all 50 democrats to sign on and have it pass the
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senate? >> i do, jonathan. because i think that the framework we laid out comes from months and months of conversations with those senators, house members, to make sure that it is something that can pass. and, look, the one thing that we know is that it is fully paid for, will lead to long-term debt reduction, it cuts taxes, it requires the wealthy to pay a little bit more. we go invest in families for the first time in this country. and that has universal support within a democratic party. >> sure, but i guess, i mean, help me out with my skepticism here when it comes to the ability of all 50 democrats to rally around the specifics of the build back better act. conceptually, i completely get it, i understand it, and think it should happen. when you have senator manchin saying i'm concerned about the
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deficit and price tag is too high and you got senator sinema saying i don't want tax increases on anybody, how do you -- how are you going to bring them to the table to get to yes so they're the 49th and 50th vote. >> that's the legislative process. and many people didn't think that we could get to 50 votes on the american rescue plan, because it was $1.7 trillion. many people didn't think we could actually do a bipartisan infrastructure bill. so things are noisy, but we get things done. and we're confident that we can get the party united around a piece of legislation and this comes from months of talking to all parties involved. so the framework that the president laid out, he believes has the ability to get 50 votes in the senate, and pass the house at the same time, and that's the goal.
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so we're going to keep working, we don't beat our chest in public. we keep our head down and we keep reducing. and my prediction is we're going to produce on the build back better. and we need to get it done now. the president is saying that he needs his agenda done so we can continue this biden boom in the economy. and creating jobs and doing all of those things. so i know for people not in the legislative space, it looks noisy. but i can assure you that there is a path to passing this piece of legislation. >> cedric, you are a former member of congress, a former chair of the congressional black caucus. do you see a -- do you see a role for the cbc to play in getting build back better over the finish line in the same way that they were -- they jumped in and provided the movement that allowed the bipartisan infrastructure bill to be passed by the house?
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>> absolutely. and i thank chairman beattie and the congressional black caucus and the tricaucus in their effort to get this over the finish line, because we cannot let children drink contaminated water. we cannot continue to let people fall behind with broadband and if you look at build back better where the child tax credit, that tax cut for working families with children, and people with children, that reduced poverty in this country for black people by 38%, just this year. 50% for all children in the country. and i think that those caucuses, especially the black caucus, will be strong advocates in ensuring that they can put real conversation and examples in how this is going to make a difference in you, your family, and your community. and that's the part that doesn't always get out to voters and to constituents is how this bill is going to affect you and your
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family. and the cbc, chc and kpac are the best advocates for making those arguments. >> we're going to have to leave it there. senior adviser to the president of the united states, cedric richmond, thank you for coming back to "the sunday show." >> thank you for having me again. coming up, congressional black caucus chair congresswoman joyce beattie joins us to discuss the role of the black caucus in getting the infrastructure bill over the finish line. don't go anywhere. ucture bl iloe finish line. don't go anywhere. else, i appreciate that liberty mutual knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. [ ferry horn honks ] i mean just cause you look like someone else doesn't mean you eat off the floor, [ chuckles ] or yell at the vacuum, or need flea medication. oh, yeah. that's the spot. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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the infrastructure bill that just needs president biden's signature to become law is the largest public works bill since president eisenhower created the interstate highway system in 1956. the interparty discord around this vote has been dissected all week. but what hasn't gotten enough attention, and it stops now, is the role of the congressional black caucus, which broke the logjam. joining me now is congresswoman joyce beatty, chairwoman of the congressional black caucus. welcome back to "the sunday show." >> thank you, glad to be back. >> okay, so i was surprised but then not surprised when i learned of the role that the cbc played and i want to read something from the tiktok that was written about this, in the "new york times" about the plan that the cbc proposed.
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pass the infrastructure bill immediately, then hold a good faith procedural vote on the larger bill that would have to suffice before its final vote in november. i clung to the phrasing, too timid and convoluted. but to my mind, it soundeded extremely pragmatic on the part of black-elected officials to get stuff moving. how did this idea come about? >> well, we have a strong congressional black caucus. we have six members of the congressional black caucus who make up major chairmanships on the committees. we also have our democratic caucus chair, and, of course, the most powerful black man in congress, our majority whip jim clyburn. jim clyburn and i talk all the time, whether with the two of us or the white house, lead at administrative team or the president. that day he said we need to
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talk. i have been pushing for an idea, let's talk about it. and we formulated because all along we wanted both bills to pass. we understand the value of bif to americans and special black americans when you talk about jobs and broadband and lead out of the water for children. and so we thought it was important to work with everyone. look we're all colleagues, whether you're a moderate, whether you're a progressive, whether you're a member of the congressional black caucus or tricaucus. so this was an effort of putting all our diverse caucuses together, and us taking a leadership role to talk about what would the palatable and make sense for everyone to pass the bif. but also what is important to have the trust and say we would vote on the rule to allow the build back better to come to a vote. so our role was let's get the rule passed.
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let's also get the bif passed. and we saw some combination of that. but a lot of work went into this with all of the members, but, yes, we took a major leadership role, we sat down with the speaker for hours, as other caucuses did, but it was important for us. we represent 17 million black americans and 80 americans and we wanted america to know that the oldest and larger member caucus in the congress was not just sitting back idle. >> you know, you use a word we heard a lot last week and we'll hear going forward as the build back better act continues to be debated and negotiated. that's the word trust. is trust truly there to get a deal done and passed out of the senate and out of the house and on to the president's desk for his signature? >> well, i can tell you speaking as the chair of the
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congressional black caucus and for majority of the members, we have to have trust. it is like looking at a glass. it is the glass half empty or half full? i always look at it as half full and we just have to fill it up. and so i think this was an amazing start. when you look at the number of members of our caucus and the congress who voted in favor of the bipartisan infrastructure, and for those who didn't, i understand that they have differences and that's okay. they are all a part of our big tent with the congressional black caucus. i am very comfortable we will pass the build back better. there is no one who could be against transformational legislation that is going to provide $400,000 for pre-k can, for children, when you think about taking children almost 40%
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out of poverty, when you think about that we're going to be able to give funds to many of our americans with the child tax credit, when you think about some 35 million families will receive that, and we talk about climate change. $555 billion, hbcus receiving more money than ever, pell grants, and housing. housing cuts across the universe. and we know that a member of the congressional black caucus, congresswoman maxine waters, has been very instrumental in guiding the entire caucus and certainly the congressional black caucus with that as well as many of our other members, when we talk about education and labor, congressman bobby scott, out in the front, fighting for hbcus, pell grants and so much more, i can say something about every one of our chairs and all
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of our members have been involved with this. and that's why it was important for us to be in the forefront, because we have our fingerprints and footprints in every piece of this legislation. >> and you provided the idea that got the folks from battling each other to actually coming up with the plan that got the bipartisan infrastructure bill voted on by the house and signing ceremony will be held at some point at the white house so that that law -- that bill becomes law. congresswoman joyce beatty, chair of -- >> let me say this. >> real fast. we're already out of time. >> several caucuses and everybody was fully engaged. thank you. >> i got that. but i'm still going to give you your props. congresswoman joyce beatty. >> and thank you.
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american people have made clear one overwhelming thing, i think. i really mean it. all the talk about the elections and what do they mean, they want us to deliver. they want us to deliver, they
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want us to deliver. last night we proved we can on one big item we delivered. >> the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill was a welcome victory for democrats on the heels of tuesday's disappointing election results. in new jersey, governor phil murphy eked out a win in a race much closer than expected. and in the virginia governor's race, terry mcauliffe's loss to glenn youngkin could mean trouble ahead for democrats in the 2022 midterms. joining me now, jamie harrison, chairman of the democratic national committee, chairman harrison, welcome back to "the sunday show." >> good morning, jonathan. thank you for having me on, my friend. >> okay. what happened? >> listen, jonathan, you know, bottom line is we can't get complacent. i think what the president said is straight and on point. it is straight and no chaser.
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we have to deliver. we can't be complacent. people don't want to see us fight. they don't want to see us bicker. they want to see us deliver for them. in the end of the day, people want to know that we see them, that we hear them and that we value them enough that we're going to fight for them. and so on issues from education to healthcare to the economy, they want to see what we can do in order to prove where they are. i think all of the noise that we got out of d.c. and all this other stuff, we got to put that behind us and we have to deliver and we saw what we did on friday night. we were able to get something done for the american people. and that's on top of all of the new positive news that we have gotten about this economy. this is a president in nine months, he has created 5 million -- 5.6 million new jobs compared to donald trump's first nine months, 1.6 million.
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we went from 2 million covid vaccinations to 200 million. there is so much positive right now and now with this infrastructure framework, and now moving to the build back better agenda, i feel good about having our message as a democratic party, that this d on my lapel, doesn't just stand for democrats, it stands for deliver. >> there is a sizable chunk of the american people who i don't know, for a lot of them what democrats are trying to deliver is seemingly things that they don't want. i'll throw up this story, that is in "the new york times" today with the headline, democrats thought they bottomed out in rural white america. it wasn't the bottom. and it is all about how the republicans -- excuse me, ran up the margins in rural virginia counties, the latest sign that democrats as one lawmaker put it continued to tank some small
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town america. is there -- is there any way for democrats to reach rural voters, to get them to see that the democratic party is indeed fighting for them, instead of coming out in droves for republicans? >> well, jonathan, you know, i grew up in rural south carolina and when people asked me, jamie what kind of democrat are you, are you a progressive, are you conservative, blue dog democrat, i say i'm a dirt road democrat. i know about picking chickens and hogs and all that other stuff and making your own sausage and picking your corn and all that, you know. that's how i lived. part of what we do as a party, we used to be the party of rural america, we became the party of urban america. we have to go back into the rural communities and show up. it is important for people to understand us.
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rural does not just equate to white. in some people's minds, you talk about rural voter, they think you're talking about white votes. rural america is just as diverse as urban america. but in order to go into those communities, you got to show up. part of the reason why democrats haven't shown up, the numbers aren't as big. you can go into an urban area and get hundreds and thousands of voters. but we can also go into rural america and we may not win that county, but if you cut the margins by which you lose it, ultimately it helps you on the top of the ticket. >> all right, so that is -- that's rural america. i want to have you -- i would love your reaction to a fellow southerner, james carville, and what he had to say about wokeness. have a listen. >> just stupid wokeness. don't just look at virginia and new jersey. look at long island. look at buffalo. look at minneapolis. look at seattle, washington.
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just defund the police lunacy, this take abraham lincoln's name off the schools, some of these people need to go to a woke detox center. there is expression of language that people just don't use. there is a backlash and frustration at that. >> chairman? >> yeah, you know, listen, one, i think -- i love james carville. i think he's fantastic in so many ways. i think this whole nomenclature, how folks are using wokeness, i don't know it really is what it actually means. if he's talking about people need to speak plain english, my granddaddy told me that all the time. make it plain, make it simple, make it so everybody understands what you're talking about and who you're talking about and what you want to do. i agree with him 100% on that. we got to stop talking on such an academic level and start talking on the regular personal level. how do you talk when you go into
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the barbershop or you go into a beautician, right? is that type of language and dialogue and we got to make sure that people don't think we as a party are up here, rather than being where the people are. and that's really, really important. some of this other stuff i think is just -- just kind of noise on the end, but in the end of the day this is something i say all the time, everybody wants to be seen, everyone wants to be heard, everyone wants to be valued. if we can do that as a party, we are on the right track. but in order to do all of that, we got to deliver for the american people. >> chairman harrison, i hear what you're saying. but i'm going to have to have you back for a longer conversation, because i think we need to have a knockdown dragout conversation about the role that race plays in this entire conversation, whether we're talking about wokeness, or we're talking about rural voters. what are we really talking about here? because it is really important not only for the midterms and
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2022, but who we are going forward as a country. we're not going to have that discussion right now because i have to let you go. dnc chairman jamie harrison, thank you for coming back to "the sunday show." coming up, my one on one with georgia secretary of state brad raffensburger, who trump called almost a year ago to push the big lie. stay with us. ar ago to push the big lie. stay with us (tiger) this is the dimension of imagination. ♪ ♪
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11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> it has been exactly this 310 days since that infamous call between the defeated then president trump and georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. he resisted that pressure to interfere in the election, but almost a year later, the big lie is bolder than ever as the republican party continues its voter suppression crusade nationwide. and the new york times reports that in an atlanta district attorney could soon empanel a grand jury to get to the bottom of trump's potentially illegal january 2nd call to secretary raffensperger. joining me now is that man, brad raffensperger, the current georgia secretary of state, and author of the new book "integrity counts ." secretary of state
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raffensperger, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." why did you feel it was important to write to this book now? >> set the record straight. it gives people all the facts and responds to all the misinformation and falsehoods that were spread last year after the election. i think it is a story that needs to be told and needs to be out there. it is very important, really for this history and also to make sure that we have stable and secure elections moving forward. >> you know, in your book early on you write i voted for president trump and i'm a life-long conservative republican with a proven voting record to match. i could not do what he asked because the numbers just weren't there. my job as secretary of state is to oversee fair and honest elections for everyone. was i disappointed in the outcome, yes. could i change the outcome, no.
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how does it make you feel that still to this day donald trump continues to push what we now call the big lie? >> well, whatever people are saying about last year's elections, if it is a difference in what we're saying, it is not supporting facts. my book is fact-based. but i hope my republican friends understand three key data points that puts it in perspective. 28,000 georgians skipped the presidential ballot, they didn't vote for anyone, yet they voted a down ballot. and metropolitan areas of atlanta and athens, david perdue got 20,000 more votes than president trump. in the republican congressional districts, the republican congressman got 33,000 more votes than president trump. same ballots, everything was similar. and that told us a big story right there and what happened. >> mr. raffensperger, i want to
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play for you something that you said on -- with ali velshi yesterday that piqued my interest. i'll ask you about it on the other side. let's have a watch. >> if you look at what stacey abrams did, she lost the state of georgia in 2018, 55,000 votes. she questioned the legitimacy of our elections. she actually set the table along with all the leaders, national democrat leaders that supported staey abrams in her big lie and set the table for president trump to ramp it up and take it to the next level. voter suppression and voter fraud, they're both sides of that coin, different sides, but stolen election claims undermine people's confidence in the elections. >> now, to be clear, stacey abrams did say that brian kemp would be certified the winner of the election and did decry what she views and a lot of people view as voter suppression efforts in georgia. is it not dangerous and
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disingenuous to equate questioning legitimate voter suppression with false claims of voter fraud? and couldn't you be doing more to convince voters that our elections are safe and secure? >> well, that's the point. elections are safe and secure in georgia. i think it is really disingenuous when the left is not really fessed up to the part they played when hillary clinton and the other people supported stacey abrams. three weeks ago in virginia, she said sometimes when you win, you haven't won. what is that all about? it has been three and a half years since we had the governor's race here in georgia, they lost by 55,000 votes. president trump then did a flip side and talked about voter fraud. but neither one of them were supported by the facts. we have record registrations, record turnout, 4 million for the governor's race in '18 and 5 million for the presidential race last year. we now have 17 days of early
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voting. we have no excuse for absentee voting. we have election day voting. we have record registrations. and we have safe and secure elections. it is not helpful for either party. they need to realize, when you lose, you lose. accept the facts you have lost and move on. if you want to run again, by all means, but accept the results of the results. >> for a lot of people listening, they have not forgotten the fact that her opponent in that election was also the secretary of state in georgia, the referee in that election. i mean, isn't that not helpful in terms of people thinking that what happened in the georgia governor's race wasn't exactly on the up and up? >> secretary of state are on the ballot every time they run. maybe actually a race for secretary of state next time and
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i'll be the secretary of state, but people need to understand the power that we have and the power that we don't have. the power really is the counties, the counties run the election. we have 159 counties. they're the ones that report the results. the secretary oversees that. we cannot change the election results. >> on that point, real quickly, given the new georgia law, aren't you and secretary of state completely removed from that process you just talked about? >> no. what we are -- what i have been removed from is being chair of the state election board. the making sure that they have the appropriate equipment, and anything else that they need in that oversight and also the investigation team, those are still housed within the secretary of state's office. but, yes, because of retribution, i'm not the chair of the state election board anymore. i think that long-term consequences, a big mistake, because the secretary of state has always chaired the state election board.
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>> right. and now the state legislature is involved in that. secretary of state, in georgia, brad raffensperger, thank you very, very much for coming to "the sunday show." i really appreciate it. coming up, iconic actress, that's right, i said iconic actress sheryl lee ralph and her husband vincent hughes talk about election wins and losses and how they see it. don't go anywhere. sses and how they see it. don't gony awhere. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ as a dj, i know all about customization.
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midterms. joining me now to tell us how they see it is actress sheryl lee ralph and her husband, pennsylvania state senator vincent hughes. thank you, both, very much for coming to "the sunday show." i'm sorry, i'm sorry, senator hughes, but -- sheryl lee ralph, i am so thrilled to see you looking gorgeous as ever as i remember from watching you as a small child, but this is not about me, fan girling over sheryl lee ralph, it is for you two to tell me how you see it. senator hughes, what do you think is -- what do you think the party's problem is when it comes to getting voters to vote for them? >> tell the people what you're doing. let the people know what you're work on. and let's be real clear,
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jonathan. and i'm crazy about this one right here, just like you are, all right. so when the people vote, the people win. and we evidenced that all of the time, record-breaking turnout for barack obama in 2008. what was the result of that? we restored the u.s. economy. record-breaking of that? record breaking turnout in 2008. we got the affordable care act done. health care for 20 million american citizens. never been done in over 100 some odd years but they got a brother from chicago to get it done. if you understand what i am talking about. so when the people vote the people win. we must tell our story and not get so lost in the fighting with the progressives, this and that. what we know is this, build back better one and two will transform the american economy across the board. will transform people's lives.
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will breathe life and hope into folks who historically lost hope. but if you keep following the republicans, then you going to get hell. look at what's going on in pennsylvania, jonathan. look at what's going on in pennsylvania. the republicans in pennsylvania have issued subpoenas for 9 million registered voters for their driver's license, their social security, their email address, their cell number, date of birth. everything else. that's one thing and we're blocking them right now. the second thing what's going on in pennsylvania, we've got a republican legislator, believe this, i'm glad you're sitting down, he just introduced a bill to wipe out the entire 9 million person voter registration roll and start again. it was just completely wipe it out. democrats must tell our story and let the other folks show their lies and deceit. >> sheryl lee ralph, how do you see it? >> you know something, i think that the power of the vote is
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one of the most ignored powers by the people. you know, i want people to understand that when you vote, you get what you deserve, especially if you found out what it is you're voting for. in the big election, okay, you vote for the president, but when it comes to the mid-terms, we need you to vote for yourself and your community. the big election is about yourself and your country. the mid terms is about yourself and your community. why is it important to vote for judges? because if you live in a community that's been handed down harsh sentence after harsh sentence after harsh sentence, you need to have a judge sitting there who understands you, who understands your story, who understands your community and where you come from. you get that person when you vote for that person. when you vote for the things that matter to you and your community. we need people to vote in
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special elections. >> right. right. so to that point, i'm going to stay with you, ms. ralph, because there are a lot of people who say, you know what, i go out and vote and nothing changes. you can have people who voted for joe biden in the 2020 mid-term elections and are super angry about the voter suppression bills and laws all around the country and see that the senate can't get anything done. they can't get a voting rights bill passed out of the senate. so how do you fight that cynicism that it's -- >> i fight that cynicism -- >> go ahead. >> i fight that cynicism by saying, look, you've got two different kind of personalities working here together. there's one that might squash you, there's another that's going to talk to you before they come to even thinking about squashing you. and right now those two polar opposites have got to find a way
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to come together because maybe you might need to speak up and squash. it's horrible that we have politicized something like the vaccine. it's horrible. it's horrible that there are people who are still wanting to say they didn't need the american health care act. imagine if we had gone into this time of covid, the past two years without the affordable care act. can you imagine what our country would look like now? when people say they're tired of voting, are you tired of being able to cross that bridge halfway thinking it won't dissolve when you drive across it? are you tired of drinking clean water because we need to check out what's going through our filtration systems across our country? are you tired of having a police or a fire department no matter what you think about them show
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up when you need help? are you tired of those things? because if you're tired of those things, please don't vote because obviously you don't need them. but if you know you need schools and better schools for your kids, please vote. you need hospitals, please vote. you need parks for yourself and your dogs, please vote. >> that's right. >> you need clean water, please vote. >> and on that note, i'm not tired of y'all. you are going to have to come back on a future show. this has been fantastic. sheryl lee ralph and vincent hughes, thank you very much for coming to the sunday show. make sure you catch sheryl lee ralph starring in "abbott elementary" premiering december 7th. >> and go to broadway! >> i was going to say "thoughts of akol lord man" which is on broadway right now. thank you both very much. >> thank you, jonathan. >> we'll see you soon. coming up in our next hour, an
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welcome back to the sunday show. i'm jonathan cape heart. ten months ago supporters of outgoing president donald trump stormed the capitol to reverse the election results. last tuesday at least 7 people who went to the january 6th rally won public office around the country. they all deny being part of the violent mob. also on tuesday, a trump-backed republican was elected governor in virginia, a state president biden carried last year by 10 points. what do these things have in common? they're all driven by wife grievance. virginia showed us white women guaranteed a win for youngkin,. turns out even those pushing the
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crt boogie man don't know what they're talking about. >> i've never figured out what a triple a series is. they're teaching that some races are morally superior. >> joining me now is urlina maxwell. host and analyst of zerlina on fox. and author and michael war lock. zerlina, you wrote the book on this. i mean, what's your view of what happened on tuesday? >> i think, jonathan, it's funny having written an entire book that lays out what the democratic party can do with the full understanding of who their base is and who their base will be in the near future. i think there was a complete and total miscalculation on the part of not just national democrats
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but also the mcauliffe campaign. you know, just anecdotally, there are five hbcus in the state of virginia where i am. i believe terry mcauliffe went to hampton university back in september, jonathan. that is not going to cut it when you have a foundation and base of black and brown voters. i think with glenn youngkin exploiting a lie about critical race theory being taught in schools, the mcauliffe campaign and many democrats need to understand that lie is targeted towards white voters who frankly are not democratic voters. that voter can be swayed by a racist lie, i don't know that that's your voter. i think the foundation at the expense -- the focus on the marginal voter, the myth call swing voter at the expense of the foundation is where things went off. i like to remind people. there were two black women named
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jennifer in that race in that democratic primary and mcauliffe jumped in and essentially took the nomination from them. >> michael, you and i were a part of a symposium i guess you can call it. >> we were. we were. >> with our friend and former msnbc colleague chris matthews from fulbright university and vietnam. you had a very bracing assessment of the role of whiteness and white grievance in the virginia -- >> sure. >> -- election. i would love for you to reprize that. >> i can go further. glenn youngkin in virginia played the race card and he played it from the bottom of the deck. that would make a statement in any state of the union. it particularly makes a statement in the commonwealth of virginia. virginia, as you both know, has a glorious history.
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george washington, thomas jefferson, james madison, flawed leaders who did have a great commitment to democratic principles and the bill of rights in all three of the cases but here we are now, glenn youngkin was happy to connect with virginia's horrible, violent centuries and the eve of the civil war, what state of the union had the largest number of enslaved people in this country? it was virginia. half a million people in 1860. so all i'm saying is anyone who operates politically or runs for office in the common wealth of virginia, owes it a duty to be respectful of that position and not try to revive it. this connects to republican politics with ronald regan talking about welfare queens
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just as infamous as glenn youngkin talking about tony morrison, well renowned black woman who got the nobel prize denouncing "beloved" which i'm not sure he's ever read and using that not to send a dog whistle but an air horn to people who believe in white supremacy. >> in fact, you said in that symposium that virginia is the capitol of white supremacy. zerlina and michael but zerlina, i'm going to play it again. james carville on wokeness. >> what went wrong is stupid wokeness. don't just look at virginia and new jersey. look at long island, look at buffalo, look at minneapolis, look at seattle, washington. the defund police lunacy. take abraham lincoln's name off the school. these people need to go to a woke detox center.
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there's a backlash and frustration from that. >> your reaction to that? >> i think the use of the word woke is pejorative. it says more about the person saying that than it does about people who are so called woke. i mean, all it -- woke means that -- i mean, if you reduce it down, just not being a jerk. you're trying to be more empathetic and compassionate to people who are not like you and being aware of the fact that everyone is not white, everyone is not male and that differing identities require us all to take a step back and respect what people are -- what people are and what they want to be treated. i think there is a generational divide in the democratic party. there is a generational awakening in the democratic party. if they don't understand quickly their base is the squad, the people that vote for the squad, the people that vote for the squad look like the squad and
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the future of the democratic party looks a lot more like that than a politics of the 1990s where the democrats were trying to flip white working class voters. that is no longer the case. frankly, voters of color make up the bulk of those working class voters in the end anyway. >> right. and, michael, real quickly, this is part of the tension within the country but also within the democratic party having these two ends, these two sides talk to each other, co-exist? >> yes, they have to. that's part of a political party in the country all the way back to the beginning as zerlina and jonathan know. that's why we have two major parties with different people in them. but for democrats and progressives to allow conservatives to turn the word woke into an epithet and weaponize it against them is a terrible mistake. if we're talking about virginia as an example of this of what
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woke means having a proper respect for america's ugly racial history and trying to make sure that that never happens again, anything like it, woke should not be used as an epithet to prevent that from happening. it means aware. >> yes, that's exactly right. >> thank you both for coming to the sunday show. coming up, the build back better plan includes a massive investment. welcome news for many who live there. my tour of the bronx river houses in new york next.
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among the investments in the build back better plan is $65 billion to improve the nation's housing. a cash infusion that's sorrily needed. on monday i toured the bronx river houses. it's run by nycha with congressman richie torres. nycha, the largest public housing authority in the country runs the buildings but it is the federal government that funds them. or to be more accurate, underfunds them. residents there showed me just how devastating that chronic under investment has been. take a look. >> ms. nora, ms. nancy, thank you very much for sitting and
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talking with me. let's set the stage here. how long have you lived here? >> all my life. 53 years. >> all your life. what about you, miss nancy? >> 23 years give or take. >> so when you read stories about new york public housing, you read stories about horrible conditions, dilapidated conditions, rodent infestation, led paint, chipped paint from the ceilings, faucets that don't work. are those kinds of conditions that you're living with and that you're fighting to get changed? >> yes. several buildings, several apartments did test positive for led. we have the led abatement team on the premise now. just took years to do so. it was tested positive for legionnaire's. we have buildings definitely deteriorating with water damage, pipes. we ask that nycha stop putting band aids on it and literally try to fix these issues.
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>> and the conditions, since you've been here 20 years, you've been here all your life, i mean, it's one thing to have maintenance. it's another thing to have major repairs done. what's that been like? >> major repairs, we put a ticket number and they're supposed to respond within 24 hours, especially if it's major. sometimes residents will wait days and a lot of times nycha will close the tickets out and that's harmful. they'll say they're coming, we came and nobody was home and close the tickets. >> they'll close the ticket having done nothing? >> nothing, not even come. haven't come. >> they say they came but they didn't come. >> and this has been going on literally for decades, right? >> yes. yes. >> very intense for me for the last ten years give or take. this is why my apartment has gotten so intense. >> miss nancy, in your
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apartment, talk about the conditions in your apartment. >> okay. the condition in my apartment, i will start with the medicine cabinet with a window. everything fell on the floor at 3:00 in the morning. that was based on the ceiling job that they did and all that plaster was dissolving. something wasn't done right. everything is just falling apart. the medicine -- the kitchen cabinets are corroded. the ceilings, the water's leaking down and i have to disconnect the oven because it's dangerous. there's shorts. so many things. the one thing connects with the other. >> and, ms. nora, ms. nancy's not the only one? >> no, she's definitely not the only one that has these situations. she's unique because she is disabled. she has a disabled apartment and it should be up to standard. she's missing tile.
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she's rodent infested. the plaster is falling in. circuit breakers keep shortening because of leaks. we have several apartments in the same condition. several seniors are dealing and coping with this. several residents, working families, working parents -- working families that can't take days off because waiting for nycha is not consistent. so definitely we need help. >> how long have you gone without insurance? >> oh, my god, about 15, 20 years. >> i know firsthand the conditions of public housing. i had mold, mildew, leaks and led so there's no issue that strikes closer to home than the humanitarian crisis in public housing. the federal government is the real villain. the federal government has savagely starved public billion. it has $40 billion worth of capital needs. there are children poisoned by led in their own homes. there are senior citizens who
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during the cold of winter are freezing in their homes with their boilers breaking down because of federal defunding. there are disabled people stranded in their apartments because the elevators are breaking down. the living conditions represent a humanitarian crisis. the public housing is a federal obligation. it was created by the federal government. it is primarily funded and regulated by the federal government. it is a social contract upon which the federal government has defaulted. it is fair to say the federal government is the worst slumlord in the united states. >> if the federal government is the biggest slumlord that there is, are you saying that, in fact, this is willful neglect? >> it is willful, maligned neglect. if a private landlord did to his tenants what the federal government has done, that private landlord would be in prison. >> my circumstance, we don't know where to go anymore.
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the medicine cabinet fell. the ceiling that they fixed and they fixed, it was a half-ass job. they put a band aid. that happened at 3 in the morning, that whole thing fell down. that's one of the things. you can see the fire thing because the alarm keeps going off at 2, 3 in the morning and of course i have to hit it to try to turn it off because it wakes up everybody. that's a short in it, okay? the light is constantly going in and out. water falls. i have a bucket there. there's nothing i can do. and hope that it doesn't go overboard. like i mentioned earlier, there's things i can't do anything. i could try to prevent the water from going down on the floor, but it's coming down so fast i'm not capable. >> where is the infestation? >> over here. this all here is broken, this
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whole -- there was water that was coming down. it just -- >> how often do you see rats? >> oh, my god, every day. >> every day? >> mice or rats? >> mice. mice. >> and they hide. i've had to -- i've lost a lot of my furniture behind the situation because the water infected the mattress, the sofas. it was up to my -- halfway. so i have to throw everything away. this is one of the sofas that manu replaced. my neighbor was close enough to replace it. it got infected with rats -- mouse. you sitting. you can feel them. they're in there now. so i have to get rid of this. >> there are mice in this? >> yes. they get in. you see the cushion there. you can see it. they figure out a way to get in.
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>> i am hopeful that we are going to secure tens of billions of dollars in new investments for public housing. public housing -- the new york city housing authority is the largest provider of affordable housing in the united states. it houses a population of about a half a million people which is larger than most of our cities in the country. if the new york city housing authority were a city unto itself, it would be the largest city of low income black and brown citizens in the country. >> ms. nora if you had an opportunity to sit with either the president of the united states or the vice president of the united states, certainly with all of congress, what's the number one thing you would ask them for? >> i would definitely ask them for the monies to better the life of our residents in all developments. of course we don't blame nycha
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for everything if they don't have the resourss. definitely i would definitely tell biden that we need this. i would tell congress, we need this. we need this funding. people live here their entire life and maybe this is all they have. let's give them the better quality of life for the rest of their life. >> what would you tell them, ms. nancy. >> mr. president, ms. vice president, please take into consideration, be mindful to those of us that are in need that, you know, we go by what they give us. remember, we worked for this at one time or another in our life. this is our right. we have family members. there's a lot of people who are retired, okay? and it's not fair that they have to live like this. it's not fair. mr. president, please open the doors. you know, we gotcha here so far
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so help us. >> a big thank you to congressman richie torres and to miss nancy and miss norma for showing us their homes. in a statement nycha acknowledged the problems in their buildings writing in part, quote, nycha recognizes the complaints the bronx river residents as things we often hear from residents throughout our portfolio. due to decades of disinvest. , nycha has a $40 billion capital need and we are exploring all opportunities to leverage new capital to comprehensively improve nycha buildings. >> it is unacceptable for those who remain in those buildings. the proposal by the president for public housing improvements represents an historic investment. the white house refused to
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all these people with illegal guns are on the subway. they're walking around the street. the hard working, law abiing citizens i mentioned, no, they can't be armed. >> on thursday there was the biggest gun control case of a decade. they appear ready to declare a century old new york state law unconstitutional making guns much easier to get and threatening gun restrictions passed by states. earlier this week i had a chance
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to speak with parkland survivor david hawk about the implications of such a ruling. >> what this could mean is a major setback for the stuff that the movement has already done in the hundreds of gun laws that we did pass in the lake of parkland. i want to be in college right now. i don't want to have to be here. because my generation has been failed in many ways not by all of the people who have come before us, but by many, we have to be here fighting. >> joining me now, anna palmer, former maryland congresswoman donna edwards and tara satmyer, lincoln project. thank you all for being here. anna, i will start with you. jump off what david was saying. he doesn't want to be there in front of the supreme court protesting in favor of gun control laws and trying to --
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praying that the supreme court doesn't do what at least from the arguments it looks like they're doing. on capitol hill are there any discussions happening right now about federal legislation to do anything related to guns, background checks, anything. >> yeah, it's been a hallmark of my entire career for 15, 20 years where there appears to be movement on this issue. it quickly pulls back. right now when it comes to these really crucial issues, gun control, voting rights, abortion, there just doesn't seem to be any appetite on capitol hill to take it on. that has stopped. really at this point, as long as the filibuster is there, it's hard to see any movement the democrats are going to have -- we're going to jam through a lot
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of stuff. this is element one. we'll switch gears and talk about the kyle rittenhouse trial which is mind boggling on so many levels. just have a -- watch this mashup, this fox news mashup. >> really surprised that looting and arson accelerated to murder? >> he was in very big trouble. he probably would have been killed. >> he's a good koid. kid. he's a life guard. >> how shocked are we that 17-year-olds decided they had to maintain order when no one else would? >> you know, congresswoman edwards, this is what, among other things, are driving me crazy. they're making him out to be a goody two shoes kid who wanted to defend his community. he ain't even from kenosha. now he's on tliel with a jury that has, what, 11 white people and one black person and then we
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had the controversy earlier this week of someone being kicked off the jury for telling a racist joke. >> it's extraordinary they're trying to turn kyle rittenhouse into a victim. keep in mind, not only did he cross state lines into a community that was not his, he's walking around a street openly carrying his -- his weapon. i think this is another example of ways in which you have this young, white kid who is being turned into an angel defending the community that he's not even from. it is really extraordinary. >> tara, what's your view of all of this? >> you know, it's infuriating to me and alarming because you have
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this entire ecosystem on the other side that lives in a different world, that is turning these people into martyrs. you're seeing this with ashley babbitt on january 6th. you're seeing this with kyle rittenhouse and other areas. you're seeing republicans like marjorie taylor green going to d.c. jail calling january 6th insurrectionists patriots. this is the patriot wing. kyle rittenhouse is another example of how fox news is taking these people, not only fox but the entire right wing ecosystem and making them into some type of perverted traditionallism. the people who claim that they back the blue and are still pro law enforcement yet they assault the people who were there to
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make order. what did you expect, it was out of control. they're not only antidemocratic and pro vigilante. it's insane. >> anna, again, switching gears trying to cram in a whole lot of stuff. let's talk about the tuesday elections and the impact they had on the action at the end of the week, by that i mean the passage finally out of the house of the bipartisan infrastructure bill. did the results out of virginia and new jersey, the scare out of new jersey for democrats? >>. >> did that play a role in moving things along? there are a lot of moving parts. your own re-election chances and what is going to hurt or help them. the fact that they had not done infrastructure yet was on the mind of a lot of members and if they don't do this looking at
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president joe biden's approval numbers, the odds they'll remain in office are pretty slim. that for sure had an impact. what happens now in terms of the broader reconciliation product is still there. it seems like they're moving towards the progression to try to have this in the next couple of weeks. >> donna edwards, former member of congress in the house, are we still going to see now that build back better is the only game in town and the only thing they have to focus on, are they really going to come to an agreement where they actually vote on november -- on november 15th as has been promised? >> well, i think one of the things that we saw, which i think was really important and somewhat overlooked, is that progressives and moderates came to an agreement among themselves about moving the infrastructure package forward and also an agreement once they get the fiscal note from the congressional budge get office of moving forward on the -- on
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build back better in its current form and it moves to the senate with their own challenges. i'm actually very confident that democrats are going to get 24 over the finish line. they actually have to do it in order to make sure they stand any chance of selling this program across the country for the next year before the november election. >> and, tara, real quickly, do you think -- let's just be pie in the sky. build back better gets passed on november 15th and the president and democrats have, you know, this thing that they can sell around the country. is is that going to be enough? is that going to work? >> no, because no one knows what's in it and democrats have had a real tough time selling what they're doing and why the american people should continue to vote for them and keep them in charge. you had sheryl lee ralph on in
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your program in the first hour. she did a better job in the two minutes she was on your show than the democrats as a party have done for the last four months trying to sell what's in this bill for the people. they need to hire her. jamie harrison, call them up and hire sherle rouse and put her on the road. they're so much better at manufacturing outrage. they're so much better in motivating voters to go to the polls. that's what we saw in virginia. if democrats think, i happen to agree with him and putting more numbers out there is the way to do it. it will be an ugly nice. you cannot come here with a political policy pen. you just can't. >> in terms of this selling what's in it, i have an example that we're going to show in the next block. my panel is sticking with me
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kayak. search one and done. what's that mean? >> it means putting aside personal agenda. that to me has been a problem for us. when people get elected, they get elected on a certain platform. they come here and then you've got to have 218 votes to get anything done and a lot of times people have problems setting aside things in order to get a bigger agenda moving forward. >> congressional democrats are hoping to pass the build back better act before thanksgiving but can they unite once more to get it done? anna palmer, former congresswoman donna edwards and tara setmeyer are with me. tara, i understand you've got some words about that.
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>> yes. listen, james clyburn is part of the political og triumphant up there on the hill. clyburn, pelosi and steny hoyer have been around for a long time. with that experience comes the know how to get votes whipped. they finally put their foot down and said, listen, and i know that clyburn did this because he's a master at it, he's the whip. he said, look, you guys, putting your personalities aside and putting your personal agendas aside has to happen because progressives don't win districts that are swing districts. progressives are in safe seats so this is something that they need to learn to come together and understand that if you're going to govern, there's a difference between governing and getting things done on capitol hill and running a perform mative political campaign to be a star and get viral videos on nightly news shows. that goes on both sides of the aisle. for the progressive side, that's
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who papa clyburn was talking to. he got joe biden in the white house. he'll know how to keep democrats in power next year. they need to listen to him. >> papa clyburn, donna edwards, as a former member of office. both whip clyburn and tara have a point. >> i think they do. i think jim clyburn is right, when you run an election, you're running as an individual but governing is a team sport and i think what you saw in the build back better plan and the infrastructure bill is you did have some give and take among moderates and progressives and then there came a point at which you've just got to vote. i think democrats have reached that point. they did a week later than might have been needed for terry mcauliffe, but they're there. they'll be there on build back better and i think that kind of governing is what the american
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people want to see. >> so there's been a lot of talk about democrats talking about what's in the bill and selling this better. i just want to play cedric richmond on the fabulous sunday show, what he had to say and see if you can pick out why i am playing this clip. >> my prediction is we're going to produce on the build back better, and we need to get it done now. the president is saying that he needs his agenda done so that we can continue this biden boom in the economy and creating jobs and doing all of those things. so i know for people not in the legislative space it looks noisy, but i can assure you that there is a path to passing this piece of legislation. >> okay. so, anna, can you spot the
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reason why i played that clip? >> i'll take a stab at it, yeah. i think clearly he didn't lay out anything that was actually in the bill. he talked about passing it, he talked about build back better. there is none of the provisions that are actually wildly popular among particularly democrats but also independents. that to me is just a real missed opportunity for democrats here and they continue to do it. you don't see them going across. senator grishman can't spell out what's in the bill, that's a big problem in the white house. >> to be fair, this was just a clip. he did earlier in the interview spell out lots of things that are in the bill. he talked about broadband, clean pipes, all sorts of things. the key thing he said that i zeroed in for me is right there on the bottom of the screen, biden boom. he never defined it. this -- i want to define it right now. here's the biden boom. low unemployment. 531,000 jobs created last month.
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the previous two months jobs were revised upward. the stock market is in record territory. if i can do that as a journalist, congresswoman edwards, why isn't the white house being more proactive at least right now in going there and talking about those hard and fast numbers that look good for them? >> well, jonathan, maybe you're going to light a fire under democrats in the white house because i do think that, you know, the news that we got just on friday was amazing for democrats and for joe biden, and then you combine that with the spring construction season starting. we're going to see shovels in the ground, hard hats on, photo ops and then build back better where parents are going to get the benefit of universal child care, child care tax credit. these are things that really will make a difference in the pocketbook of the american public and you don't have to be
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ale rocket scientist to know that if you go out there and you sell this program, the american people are going to understand the change that's coming for their lives. >> and real fast, tara. i want to play for you the sound from congresswoman liz cheney on fox and talk about it real fast on the other side. >> i think the only way the republican party can go forward in strength is if we reject the lie. if we reject what happened on january 6th. if we reject the efforts that president trump made frankly to steal the election. >> so, tara, will the republican party actually do what she says? because i have no faith that it will. >> no, absolutely not. we've seen their behavior. the republican party's worse now than it was a year ago when i decided to leave it. that's all you need to know. they're still backing a candidate who thinks that january 6th was a patriotic act, not a violent insurrection to overthrow the government and still republicans are running on
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this big lie. as you mention in your show, seven people who attend january 6th won offices. 57 more are running for re-election next year. the republican party has not repudiated this, they have empowered it. they say those who make you believe absurdities make you commit atrocities. that's what the republican party asperatus is continuing to do and god bless liz cheney but good luck with that. >> we're going to have to leave it there. tara setmeyer, anna palmer, my apologies for giving you a pop quiz. that was unfair of me especially on a sunday. thank you very much, all of you, for coming to the sunday show. tonight don't miss the four seasons total documentary. the story of rudy giuliani's bizarre press conference at a philadelphia landscaping company one year ago today. the story doesn't end there. the four seasons family reveals
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the friday before the november 2 elections, i gave a blunt assessment of what a victory by republican glenn youngkin in the virginia governor's race would mean for democrats nationwide. >> it would show that fear and anger win the day. the fact that we're having a conversation about critical race theory that is not taught in public schools in virginia just goes to show how republicans have decided that picking at white grievance and, you know, tap dancing with white supremacy is their way back into power. and if glenn youngkin wins, yeah, the democrats should be afraid because fear works. and you know, i like to say whiteness is a hell of a drug. and going into the midterm elections, we will see just how successful it can be. >> whiteness is a hell of a drug. fear worked. and youngkin won in a state
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president biden won just last year by ten points. the "wall street journal" editorial board didn't like my analysis one bit and took great delight in crowing about republican victories in virginia. so what did all these racist virginia voters do tuesday night? in addition to electing mr. youngkin as governor, they elected winsome sears as lieutenant governor. she will be the first african-american woman to be elected state-wide in virginia history, writes the "wall street journal." nice try, but invoking the name of winsome sears doesn't prove my assertion wrong about the role of race in the virginia governor's election. not in the least. look, voting for someone black does not grant absolution from racism or being motivated by the racist dog whistles or nowadays, bull horns that politicians use to play on racial fears for political gain. and let's be clear. having some of your best friends be black or family members be
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black or dating or being married to someone black or liking black music and culture is no pass either. also, when you hear us talking about granting folks black cards, always remember it's a joke. blackness isn't transferrable, but i digress. what i'm saying is not meant to take away from sears' historic accomplishment. a you mim makemant grint, she was a member of the house of delegates before being elected lieutenant governor. the first woman and first black woman to the post. and there is no denying the symbolic power of seeing a black woman in that position. more importantly, because virginia governors can only serve one term, sears is now positioned to potentially become the first woman and first black woman governor of virginia and potentially the first black woman governor ever in the history of our country. with the exception of her support for historically black
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colleges and universities, i don't agree with sears on, well, anything. after all, she is super conservative. and was a national chair of black americans making america first. whose goal, according to its website, is to promote trump policy initiatives. so the power of her symbolism only goes so far with me. especially since she was part of a ticket that picked at white grievance and played on racial fears to win. sears' election doesn't make those seeking absolution from charges of racism not racist. and her election should not give virginians or the republican party a pass on being held accountable for what they say and how they say it to get elected. because it doesn't. if whiteness is a hell of a drug, elected someone black is no antidote. i'm jonathan capehart, and this has been the sunday show. love again.
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