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that's going to do it for us tonight on this very, very busy friday night, which i think is going to be a very busy late friday news night. now it's time for the last word where ali is in for lawrence. i hand this over to you with trepidation, having a feeling this is going to be a complicated night ahead. >> i had a granola bar. you were in a great conversation
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with ali vitali in which you pointed out something very important to remember for viewers as they follow this tonight. that is nancy pelosi doesn't wing it ever. so that she is talking, that something is happening should tell you something. she doesn't take chances with votes on the house floor. whether she agrees or disagrees with how it's going to go, if nancy pelosi doesn't have the votes, she doesn't hold the vote. >> that's right. and knowing how unsettled this landscape is among democrats right now, knowing how uncertain it is, the only way to stay clear on what's going to happen is to watch pelosi. >> that's right. >> trust to have universal vision. >> yeah. >> over what's going on with our caucus. she's the only one that will know. that's why all eyes are on her tonight in terms of figuring out how this is going to end, if it will. >> this is just the sausage being made, some will say, but
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it is being made. have a great weekend. seal l we'll see you monday. >> all right. we will continue to follow the story. as soon as there are any developments we will bring them live to you. there we have a live shot in capitol hill. ali and the others from the congressional team are watching this closely along where us. president biden and vice president kamala harris are reportedly in their residence right now working phones to the house democrats. in the meantime i want you to remember, remember, remember the 5th of november. that's the old line about guy fox, the guy who tried to blow it up 400 years ago. america one year ago under president donald trump. remember the dream of saying stable leadership that was literally what the 2020 presidential campaign was about, being normal. >> you don't have to argue about
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some crazy tweet that the president sent out this morning. it won't so exhausting. you'll be able to go about your lives knowing that the president is doing his job, instead of suggesting we inject bleach, that the president's not going to retweet conspiracy theories that the navy seals didn't actually kill bin laden. it's not normal behavior. >> it's not normal behavior. how quickly we forget. remember, being in month ten of an unprecedented pandemic with the death toll climbing, no end in sight, schools were closed, holidays were canceled. and the bleach guy was tweeting ten, 20 times about whatever grievance he was nursing that day. low confidence that the bleach
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guy would be able to manage the logistics of making a vaccine available to every adult in the country. on november 5th, 2020, the dream of sane stable leadership seemed far off because the president and his clown card of defenders were attacking the election results, and manting the seeds for the insurrection that would take place on january 6th. joe biden won that election on a simple message. >> we're going to beat this virus and we're going to get it under control, i promise you. >> 80% of americans are now vaccinated. vaccines available for everyone aged five and above for free. today pfizer announced that its anti-viral pill for covid-19 cut rates of hospitalization and death by nearly 90% in high risk adults. and what else? >> we're going to have to plan
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to get our economy back on track, not to get it back to where we were, but to build back better. >> after an unprecedented and modern times pandemic and unprecedented recovery. the united states added a whopping $531,000 new jobs in the month of october. the u.s. bureau of labor statistics made revisions to jobs numbers which show that those months were much more robust than we knew at the time. unemployment has dropped to the lowest rate since the start of the pandemic. the dow closed above 36,000 today after hitting the milestone for the first time in history earlier this week. so, to anybody out there who is taking the progress for granted, listen to this. >> he gets in, you will have a depression the likes of which you've never seen. your 401 ks will go to hell and
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it will be a very, very sad day for this country. >> leading off is robert reich, the former labor secretary under isn't bill clinton. his latest book is "the system, who rigged it and how we fixed it." and jonathan altar. gentlemen, good to see you beet. bob, let me start with you. knees numbers, later than some people wanted but stronger than most people expected. >> the economy's almost back to where it should be. it's not entirely back, but the trajectory is in the right direction. there's no question about that. we see consumer confidence is up and a lot of the problems with the economy had a lot to do with the delta or coronavirus generally. we see that that seems to be also trending in the right direction. so there is no question. and nobody should have any question that we have a lot to be grateful for.
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>> jonathan, you and i -- i'm trying to think back to the last time you and i talked. it was late in the morning on wednesday -- early wednesday morning, late tuesday night as the election results were coming in. >> right. >> we saw the exit polls in virginia indicate that the number one issue for voters that night, that day was the economy. the implication was that if the number one issue was the economy, you might have been -- you might have chosen the republican candidates in new jersey and virginia. but in fact, what we're seeing is something entirely different. is there -- what's your sense of why that hasn't resound the way it should with democrats? >> i think one of the problems is that you know, the question has so many dimensions to it, ali. and unemployment is only one of them. yeah. you can get a job now if you really want one. there are help wanted signs everywhere. but if you wane a couch it's going to take three to five months, literally, in many areas
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to get that. that's what the supply disruptions are like. if you go to a pump, it's $3.40 on average around the country. people think that's high. so they think inflation is moving faster than their wage increases are moving, even though they can now afford to be choosier about what jobs they have. i think there's sort of a broader sense, particularly on the part of democrats, that all this sense of malaise, i think part of it is that they really thought trump would be in the rearview mirror now, you know, and he's not. and he has all these accolades and these trumpsters who are making it clear that he could be back. >> uh-huh. >> and so a lot of democrats who, you know, kind of relaxed after the election, said ok, that part of my life is over, staying up automatic night worrying about trump is over. now we have this real sense of
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unease. they see these assaults on democracy, this move toward authoritarianism. it makes them exhausted and not enthusiastic about going to the polls. >> bob, this is an interesting point. because i would never as an economy guy i would never diminish the effect of inflation and rising prices on how people make their decisions, except in this home in america, you can't make your decision about that between republicans and democrats, because one party sort of operates within the bounds of an agreed-upon democracy and the other party continues to embrace conspiracy theories and to some degree donald trump. >> this is a huge asymmetry in american politics, and i don't recall a time when you have one party basically willing to undermine democracy for the sake of winning, and another party of the democratic party really
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feeling that its responsibility is to uphold and fortify and probing democracy even at some cost. now, if that assem tri really does grow, and i do feel it is growing, then we're all in trouble, because how can you run politics that way? how can politics be a kind of a place where there is any trust, and one of the biggest things we are missing now, and i think one of the -- as jonathan refers to that old jimmy carter term "what lays." i think one of the reasons there is malaise in the system is the expectation that we would have all of this behind us, not just the economic problems and not just the pandemic, but also the political distrust and anger, but it's still there. >> jonathan, obviously, the spy change disruptions are a product of the pandemic, and that will
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get fixed when it gets fixed. but this inflation thing, to some degree is a product of recovery, right? you have inflation because people have money and people buying things and things are more expensive than they should be. but it ignores the acknowledgement of the recovery or the strength of the recovery. >> yeah, that's right. i have to make one footnote. i just wrote this book about jimmy carter. he actually never used the word "malaise" in that famous speech. never used it at all. but it was certainly seen as a period of malaise and there are some differences in terms of the gas prices. i think that some of what's happened is that even some democratic economists like larry summers have warned about inflation and that's gotten into the psyche a little bit, particularly of the thought leaders. if you listen to fed chair
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jerome powell he's not particularly worried about up nation. he thinks that these sort of mini-bouts which they're having, so small compared to what jimmy carter was facing. double digit inflation in the 1970s. so this is very s. very minor by comparison, and it is often related to these sort of hiccups in the economy that are part of recovering from a period when nobody could really buy anything because so many factories were closed and then suddenly everybody wanted to buy stuff all at once and you have these traffic jams in ports because they just couldn't make the shipping of the goods connect up to consumer demand, and when you have excess consumer demand, you are going to get at least a temporary period of up nation. but i think there's been too much emphasis on that.
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if it was next year at this time and we still had some of this inflation and supply disruptions were at an end, then i'd be more worried about it. >> the three of us with collectively a couple hundred years old so we remember what jonathan is talking about, right. inflation was a different game. double digit inflation, double digit forge rates, real interest rates that were very high. we don't have all that right now. what we have is a lot of people chasing after fewer available goods for the time being and oil prices back to where they were before the pandemic. request you from an economist's perspective tell us what we should be worried about and what we should hope is going to go away soon. >> just look at supply and demand. the old economic factors. on the spy side, we do have coming out of a deep recession a pandemic similar to the supply problems we had coming out of world war ii.
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that is, you just can't get everything you want all at once, and now the supply chains are more complicated, because they are global. at the same time, and the world war ii analogy works here as well. on the demand side you've got a lot of main event up demand. consumers that have wanted to buy all sorts of stuff have saved a little bit because they've not had the opportunity to buy as much as they wanted during the pandemic. and they are demanding -- they want to spend a lot more. well, you put those two factors together and you're going to get what we're seeing, and that is some price increases that i believe, strongly believe, are temporary. ity think in the next four to six months, most of them will be gone. that may not be convincing to a lot of americans who are fore seeing it and experiencing it and we're all experiencing it, but i think it's important to understand in historical context, this is nothing like what we experienced in 1970s in
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part because we don't see a wage price inflation. that is, unions don't have nearly the power they had then. we don't have the kind of constraints on companies in terms of actually increasing their supply that we had then. it's easy to say it's going to work out, but i really do believe it's going to work outs. >> a tweet, dow is over 36,000. over five million jobs added, a record. 220 million vaccines in ten months and only 30% of the country thinks the u.s. is on the right track. the democratic party has a huge messaging problem. i take issue with his last sentence there, because if you don't think the world's on track, it may not have anything to do with whether you like the performance of the democratic
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party. you may just think -- as bob said, there's reasons not to think this is in the rearview mirror, donald trump is still around, no one's been held to account for an insurrection but democrats are getting the m blame for it right now. >> first of all, the public always thinks the country is on the wrong track. if you go back 40 years, there have only been two points, once in the mid 1980s and again in the 1990s, i get sorts of after barack obama was elected where people felt we were on the right track. this has become almost an american condition. it's a little more serious right now. but, you know, we've had this. i think political dysfunction is a big parts of this, at least on the part of democrats feeling that we're not on the right track. republicans feel that way because there's a democrat who's. . in terms of getting democrats more confident, i think if this
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legislation can start to move so that we have science working, the economy working, and finally politics working, then people can start to sense that maybe we're headed into sunnier days. one report i was worried about the '70s, there was horrible inflation in energy prices. the arab countries, opec had us literally over a barrel. they sometimes spike now but we don't have the structural, super high energy prices that were driving inflation at that time. >> gentleman, thank you for your per suspect. >> if i might. >> go ahead. >> there's one other factor we haven't mentioned. and that is that as i have lived through the last 50, 60 years, i've seen the media become more negative. this is obviously on the social media but all the media generally. nobody is talking as we are
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right now about what is good, what's happening that is actually positive. almost all the stories we hear are stories that promote outside rage. when you have an entire culture that is listening and hearing outrageous things, day after day after day, people are going to say naturally we are on the wrong track. >> i take your point there, and it is well made. thank you, bob. good to see you robert reich and jonathan altar. i want to give you a quick biden agenda update. the house is in recess right now. we're going to continue to monitor developments and keep you updated on the votes for the bieftd agenda that are expected to happen tonight. i don't want to go out on a limb and say that. might not happen tonight. punch bowl news shared is this text from an unnamed democrat, don't panic, i think we are there. we'll see right after this. bipolar depression. it made me feel like i was trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of people
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jonathan altar made the point a few minutes ago that one of the reasons people don't think things are going in the right direction is the state of politics and discourse in this country. if you want to fix that, here's the most important job for you engaged citizen of america. as our economy bounces back and covid vaccinations expand, never forget that the democratic party is the only major political matter this country that supports and believes in democracy universally. that's a huge deal. don't let the successes to have biden administration distract you from the reality that anti-democracy forces continue to power the republican party. those anti-democracy forces are no longer in the white house or in the justice department as they were during the trump era, but the threats to our democracy are far from gone. texas is now being sued by the department of justice over its republican voter suppression law. democracy's being threatened by the lack of accountability for the planners of the capitol
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insurrection. some of the rioters were held accountable but the perpetrator of that big lie and his republican enablers remain entirely unpunished. republicans have received the wrong message from the elections this week that republican candidates won't be punished if they play footsy with the amendment democratic crowd. the governor of new jersey refuses to concede. in virginia a republican is now the governor elect, even after refusing to disavow donald trump's election falsehoods and donald trump's numerous endorsements of him. so your job as citizen warrior is to keep that in mind. never foerg that in this country we don't currently have the luxury of choosing between two parties that support democracy but have different ways of exercising it. we have one pro democracy parties and that's the democratic party. joining us now is the texas
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democratic state representative jeepa hinojosa. she represent texas's 49th district. also, jill winebanks, special prosecutor, co-host of the podcast "sisters in law." good evening to both of you. thank you for joining us. representative heen hossa, you are living this day in and day out. the idea in texas today is that it's not a competition between conservatives and liberals. it's between those who believe democracy is worth expanding and those who don't. >> absolutely. to give you the latest taste of what's going on in texas, our governor appointed to be new secretary of state a man who was on trump's team to overturn the 2020 election results. this is the person who will be in charge of now intercepting the voter suppression law that just passed in texas. >> and on a national level, jill, and good to see you, my
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friend. on a national level, we've heard from the chair of the january 6th committee, benny thompson, about the testimony of jeffrey clark, a name most of our viewers didn't know a year ago. he was central to the insurrection attempt. many times mr. clark's complete failure to cooperate -- he was testifying before the committee. i've considered his claims of privilege and have rejected it. we need the information that he is with holding and we are willing to take strong measures to hold him accountable to meet his obligation. this nonsense continues in front of a congressionally mandated committee charged with getting to the bottom of what happened on january 6th. people go there and number their nose at this process. >> you are absolutely right, ali, and i cannot imagine how we're letting it happen, but bannon certainly stone waled and he hasn't been held accountable yet.
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he was voted in contempt by congress, but he hasn't been indicted. until he is, others will continue to follow in the path. there is no legal defense to jeffrey clark and actually i don't think anybody heard of him until after the january 3rd meeting that he had at the department of justice when his name started coming out as someone who was trying to overturn the election, and i am one of those who believes very much that we need to have accountability and that without it, these horrible things will keep happening. if richard nixon had been indicted after he left the presidency or even while he was president -- but that's a different issue -- maybe donald trump would have learned a lesson and he wouldn't have done the things he has done. so let's get busy, and buzz words sell. what you're taking about is messaging by the democrats and the republicans have buzz words that the voters don't understand but they make it sound like, well, it's bad.
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ask a voter what is crt. well, i don't know, but it's bad. and that's not the case. democrats are trying to explain things in a way that is meaningful, but it's not communicating. i feel like donny deutsche trying to craft a message that needs to be crafted, so let's get that message out there. >> and it's sort of two sides of h coin in that on the federal level with donald trump and his dumpster fire of people, they were trying to overturn the results of an election, in texas, you've got something else entirely. you've got -- you've got efforts to stop people who have the constitutional right to vote from being able to freely exercise that vote. it's two sides of the same anti-democratic coin. >> it is. and actually there's two fronts in every state that we're fighting right now. one is these voter suppression laws that are being passed all across the country, i think we have 16 states now that have
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successfully passed these voter suppression laws. then we have redistricting happening. both those things just happened in the state of texas. we passed this voter suppression law that democratic house members broke quorum during the summer and went to d.c. to try to prevent from happening. we only could hold it off so long and it eventually did pass. then we also just drew new redistricting maps, and of course our census data shows that people of color made up95% growth in texas. the texas house, republicans severely gerrymandered our state. >> i don't think this is a point that everybody realizes. people say population growth but gerrymandering undoes the benefits of all those changes. jill winebank people did know
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rudy guiliani's name. and this guy has been saying crazy stuff for a long time. when asked about this, there was a deposition on august 14th obtained by cnn. this was about that lawsuit by dominion voting systems about resume and what they allege are the lies he told. here's what he said. >> it's not my job in a fast-moving case to go out and investigate every piece of evidence that's given to me. otherwise, you're never going to write a story, you never come to a conclusion. >> if i had hair, it would have caught fire after willing to that. jill, you've been a lawyer for a long time. what do you make of that statement. it's not my job to go out and investigate each piece of evidence given to him. >> that's why he's been disbarred, because he didn't do it. he has an obligation. he's an attorney and we have ethics and he is not abiding by them, and i think representative hip hossa is absolutely correct
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in everything she said, but i would add a third threat to democracy, which is not just voter suppression, it's suppressing counting the votes. all of these laws that turn over to the second of state and take it away from them and say the congress, the state legislature will decide whether to count votes. that's a danger to democracy and democracy is worth fighting for. >> thanks to both of you. thanks for the fight that you and your colleagues are undertaking in texas. jill, you have been doing it for a very, very long time. we continue to thank you for all of your service. thanks to both of you. coming up, what trumpism has unleashed in our airports, racial attacks, wiped anti-government raifgs just for being asked to wear a mask. that's next. ing asked to wear ak that's next. ires keep raging, td to replant trees keeps growing. asked to wear a mask. that's next. a just for being asked to wear a mask. that's next. v just for being asked to wear a mask. that's next. i just for being asked to wear a mask. that's next. n just for being asked to wear a mask. that's next. g just for
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now that children as young as five are getting vaccinated dependence covid-19, more
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families are imagining doing something they have not done since 2019, traveling for the holidays. like many things in america after trump air travel has changed as well. mimgs like these you're looking at all on social media and news reports are shocking. the faa reports that more than 5,000 incidents of unruly passengers has taken place since january. nearly 4,000 of those were related to the federal rule that passengers have to wear masks. the faa administer said, quote, let this serve both as a warning and a deternlt. you risk not just fines from the faa but federal criminal trgs as well. our next guests both testified before a house committee on aviation. >> the danger in this hostile environment in response to flight attendants conducting
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routine duties. >> i must count the times i've been insulted or threatened during a flight simply for doing my jobs. my colleagues are ankles and fearful. what's going to happen on the next flight. can i avoid engaging or would that be an invasion of my duties? >> joining us, sarah nelson. she's been a night attendant for 25 years. teddy andres is a flight attend dance for american airlines. teddy, i was on a night and before the flight pushed back the captain came over and said it's 16 hours, you have a mask. hit your call button we'll deal with it now because if we have to deal with it when i'm in air you're going to be met by federal agents. everybody seemed to be happy.
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lay down the hau and make it clear. you all have been suffering this for more than a year, year and a half. >> yes. >> tell me about what happened to you. >> well, i was working a flight. heading to miami and was met in the back alley by a flight attendant on my crew who was visibly upset because a passenger refused to wear a mask. he was not eating or drinking and was giving the flight attendant a hard time to the point she was near tears. he began to use racial epithets when i went out. i won't use the word that he used with me on the plane, but the n-word was. >> wow. >> over and over and over, telling me he didn't have to listen to me, it was a free country and that he can do whatever he wanted to do. he didn't have to listen to our rules. >> what do you do about this stuff? we've been talking since the beginning of the pandemic about this. your people are on the front
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lines. you were there when there were no vaccines. people die of this thing and others have to deal with this added anti-government and racist bs at the same time? >> yes. it's all about communication and the real discordant communication that has been going on across the country for several years now, even with whether or not we recognize that we're in the middle of a pandemic and what we have to do about it. you talked about the fact that we're going to have more children on our planes next month. it's a federal mandate that flight attendants are required to enforce. we know that rules in aviation keep us safe and we're there to enforce those. we are being met with this conflict. i want to be really clear. this is a small number of people but it's bigger than it's ever been before. we've had more this year than we've had in the entire history
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of aviation. >> as people start traveling they're going to encounter them. a couple of times i've encountered belligerent people. it's not something we need to add to the stress of travel and the safety of air travel. i've got to unfortunately cut this nvrgs short because we have breaking news out of congress, which you know a lot about, sarah. i promise i will continue this conversation with both of you. teddy, he is a flight attendant. sarah is the president of the association of flight attendants. we have some developments on capitol hill right now. i'm checking in with the control room whether we're going to -- we're going to go to a quick break and when we get back, there have been some developments on capitol hill about the infrastructure bill. about the infrastructure bill. . [szasz] we take care of ourselves constantly; it's important. we walk three to five times a week, a couple miles at a time. - we've both been taking prevagen for a little
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momentarily. we have developments. until we get to ali i wane to tell you about another story. the university of florida is being sued by three of its own professors tonight. at controversy is academic freedom and possibly republican ron desantos. today they reversed their is decision. the miami herald reports, quote, university officials told professors that because it's a state institution their participation in a case against governor ran desantis's administration would be adverse to the university's interests. manage that, telling professors not to testify in a court because it might be adverse to university's interests. joining us now are two of the three professors suing the university of florida. sharon austin and michael mcdonald are professors of political science. thank you for being here.
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development in the story. this was something that the university had sort of backtracked on but in the end there's an issue, a fundamental issue that because you work for somebody you can't testify against them. that wouldn't fly anywhere, or it shouldn't fly anywhere. >> absolutely. and that's what we decided to challenge it. >> professor mcdonald tell me about what you're doing about this now. because the university backtracked but you are now suing the university. >> they've given us a temporary exemption to say we can testify in this lawsuit now, but the policy as far as we know still stands, and so we really want to tackle that policy. we know that there are other professors at the university who weren't as fortunate as us and weren't able to go public and make their case and we know they've been affected and hurt as well. we really want to stand up not only for our own personal rights but the rights of all professors
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at the university. >> talk to me about the argument that the university makes. has it ever occurred to you before that there should be a distinction between professors employed by any state institution, versus those employed by a state institution. why should the organization for which you work make a difference? >> hit shouldn't make a difference, and that's exactly why we're challenging this. i don't think a distinction between a public and private university. i think this is mostly a constitutional issue and brings up some very important questions about the first amendment and also about academic freedom. i think it was an unfair decision. it was something we were very surprised by but it raises some serious constitutional issues that have yet to be resolved. even though you could argue that our situation has been somewhat resolved today, nevertheless the there are still some really important questions concerning
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academic fleemd our campus really needs to resolve and until they do that, we really do have a lot of work to do at the university of florida. >> i think you bring up a good point. when it comes to first amendment issues, somewhat resolved is not resolved. we are getting word that there will be a vote on the house floor possibly in minutes. we'll be back with this on the other side of the break. de of t. a cold is not just a cold. unlike other cold medicines, coricidin provides powerful cold relief without raising your blood pressure be there for life's best moments with coricidin. now in sugar free liquid. for people living with h-i-v, keep being you. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day
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all right, we got breaking news. inside the united states capitol a vote is about to happen. i want to go right to ali wittali. we are coming out of recess in the house right now. what is going on. >> aliv., we knew they took a short recess. tried to make sure everyone was on board. now what we we will see is forging ahead with the plan that speaker pelosi laid out several hours ago voting on the
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bipartisan infrastructure bill that already passed the senate then moving on to a vote on the rule for the larger social spending package that build back better act. it's just the rule. not the actual vote to pass it but the procedural step that has to be taken. in order to get here there were a lot of assurances and jockeying behind the scenes. progressives have long said they need to see both of these bills actually move forward together. tonight at least they feel like they're getting something close to that because in the intervening minutes since the house went to recess, we saw moderates release a statement saying that they are going to vote for the build back better act at some point during the week of november 15th because the house is in recess next week. they say that will give them some time to review a potential cbo score and know they were talking about wanting to see the longer term financial impact of this despite the fact that they do have a sense from the joint tax as well as other entities
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about what the impact will be. for progressives, that was enough. congressman pramila said they will move forward to advance the infrastructure bill as well as vote on the rule there. that's not to say everything is perfect. there are some progressives who i have talked to whom my colleagues have talked to who say they don't like the plan. cori bush when asked where she was on the bill and the plan they were laying out, she said, no, she wasn't on board. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez similarly concerned. the reason those are important the magic number here is three. speaker pelosi can only afford to lose three democrats on this if she were to be going on this alone. there could be some republicans on the bill who do end up voting with democrats on this. certainly we saw that in the senate.
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this process has gotten more partisan in the house but the bones of that bipartisan infrastructure bill are still exactly what they were when they passed the senate so there could be a handful of republicans here who do come over and vote with democrats. what this is is hours and hours later from this morning when we thought today would be the day, it does seem at this point like it will be, ali. >> you an hour ago were talking to rachel and said you both were discussing the fact that nancy pelosi doesn't put votes to the floor that she doesn't know she's going to win. >> exactly. what is the promise that the moderates who were concerned about the larger bill, what is the undertaking that they've given, that if this bill costs out the way we've been told it will, we will support it? >> reporter: yes and also say at the end of that statement they will work to resolve any issues that may come up if they see that score and it doesn't exactly track with where they think it is. for a lot of these moderates i think the important thing to remember is that the objection was less on the policy and more
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on wanting the time to look into the cost. that's not to say there weren't people objecting on the policy front but certainly when you look tonight the way things were hammered out behind the scenes with progressives shuttling back and forth trying to get it together what it does seem like it's shaking out as is moderates have found something to be comfortable with buying themselves a little bit of time with this sleight of hand by voting to advance the rule but not directly on the bill back better act. this bought them the time they need to look at this additional financial information that will come from the congressional budget office but also allowing them to move forward on the thing moderates have wanted them to move forward on months which is that bill and i think what's important here, this is sort of where the progressive strategy does end up breaking down, right, because the bipartisan infrastructure bill has already passed the senate when the house passes it tonight it goes to president joe biden's desk and
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allows them to notch a win but means the act now once they officially move on the rule and then when they get back in town in a week, they theoretically will move to pass it, that means that it then goes to the senate and there are a whole bunch of changes that could take place there. the first thing i think of is senator joe manchin still not on board for the four weeks of paid leave in the bill that the house put in there, that's just one thing that could end up being stripped out. it will go to the senate and through not just the personalities that have to weigh in on it but also it's going to go through the procedures of making sure everything that's policy in this bill actually adheres to the reconciliation rules and touches that budgetary bottom line that make it acceptable to do through this process. all of that is going to mean changes so when it does eventually come back to the house and this is now a process that's going to take several weeks because it's going to need financial budget scores as well as the personalities to weigh in, it's going to look like a
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little bit of a different bill and that means all of this will take time and probably not see this larger social spending package get its rose garden celebration for several weeks now. for democrats they can say they have moved on one key piece of it tonight if and when the vote happens. >> ali, we are looking at the screen and seeing various members speaking. this is -- whatever vote is about to happen, this is not the vote on the actual bipartisan infrastructure bill yet, right? this is a procedural vote after which the actual bill will be voted on? >> reporter: i believe that's true right now, ali. i haven't been able to be listening. >> because you've been talking to us. >> reporter: that sounds right, though we are starting to see lawmakers speak but, yes, what we expect this vote once it starts will take about 15 minutes then they will move on to the build back better rule which, again, is procedural but the first vote we'll see is the bipartisan infrastructure bill
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which is not procedural that's them passing the bill the senate has already passed. >> the actual bill so the one that's on the screen that says on the motion to concur in the senate amendment and there's about ten minutes left in that particular vote, your belief is that this bill will -- is expected to pass tonight and this will go to the president tomorrow, perhaps? >> reporter: yeah, i get the sense that they want to send this thing over there as soon as they can and certainly the white house is ready to receive it. we heard the president this morning urging his colleagues here in the house to vote yes on this package, of course, he wants to see both of these two bills passed in tandem. at the same time a notched win is as good a win at any time and the white house want to get this too. >> dizzyingly complicated, but you do a fantastic job of making it clear. so fantastic you can't go anywhere because i'm going to hand you over to my colleague in a moment. ali vitali is live and it
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continued with "the 11th hour" with my colleague brian williams now. indeed, good evening, once again, day 290 of the biden administration. it's been a long confusing day of starts and stops on that long awaited vote on president biden's economic proposals. we must add after months of blue on blue democratic in-fighting the house just reconvened and an actual vote is under way. we know you're not used to seeing this. we will explain it all when we go to our hill correspondent in moments. the president has been pressuring democrats all day to pass his agenda and it read in part i am urging all members to vote for both the rule for consideration of the build back better act and final passage o


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