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responders, police officers and firefighters, it ain't happening. like right here in new york city where the police unions threatened the mandate would relieve upwards of 10,000 officers, that number at the beginning of the week was only a whopping 34. according to the police commissioner, 85% of the nypd staff are now vaccinated. all right, that is tonight's "reidout." joy will be back many to. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> it clearly was a fair election and i applaud the governor-elect. >> the most important takeaway on a bad night for democrats. and the conspiracies that he indulged move on without him and jfk jr. shots go into the first arms
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of kids under 11 years old. does anyone really think adding more guns into these types of situations is a good idea? today's high-stakes hearing at the supreme court where conservatives are on the add guns side when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. much of the coverage of the election results last night in virginia, new jersey and elsewhere used words like shocking and surprising. i have to say that does not really stand for me. the election results were in many ways incredibly expected. that new jersey gubernatorial race was closer than anyone thought it would be. the associated press has called the race for incumbent democratic governor phil murphy but the nbc news decision desk is waiting for more information. in virginia, remember, before election day the polling showed a neck-in-neck race down to the wire.
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polls had been trending toward glenn youngkin. frankly all that tracks with what we would expect in this political moment. historically incumbent democratic governors do not do well in new jersey. should governor murphy pull off a very narrow victory, he'll be the first democrat to win a second consecutive term since the 1970s. and in virginia only one has been won by the party holding the white house, which was terry mcauliffe's narrow victory back in 2013. here's the basic situation. when a party is in power, as the democrats are in the white house, it often mobilizes the opposition party. it's part of the political gravity it has held that decades. look back to the 1930s. 1934 aside, which was an anomalous situation, the democrats under president franklin roosevelt got absolutely blown out in the 1938 midterm elections. that's after they did all the new deal stuff. the man was so popular he was elected president four times and
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even he suffered the same kind of backlash to his presidency that we're seeing last night. anyway, it's just an unavoidable part of our political reality in a divided country. there's another interesting angle in virginia, which is that in many ways republicans kinda turned back the clock a little bit. they nominated a very bush-era style candidate, circa 2003. glenn youngkin is a private equity baron in a vest. he talks about economic issues. when he pushes talking points that are meant to flirt with and stoke white backlash, he does so in a coded way with dog whistles about education. while i think that coded talk and who it is intended to appeal to is bad, obviously, there's no denying it has been successful for republican candidates for decades, dating back to richard nixon's talk about law and order or ronald reagan's speech on welfare and states rights in
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mississippi. but that's different appreciably than the much more explicit racism that we saw from republican candidates under donald trump's leadership. this guy named corey stewart in virginia narrowly lost a republican primary for governor in 2017 and was the republican candidate for senate in 2018. ran statewide. openly flirted with alt-right talking points. argued that removing the confederate flag from virginia was akin to the state losing its identity. that was not glenn youngkin's campaign. glenn youngkin tried and successfully achieved having it both ways. he did stoke white grievance politics. the ad of the white mother who was upset of what her kid was being taught but he did it while not alienating the white suburban voters who trended toward trump democrats. this person attending the rally
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with the confederate flag knows exactly what youngkin means for him to hear when youngkin talks about education. the fact that youngkin can win while half embracing donald trump and also keeping him at arm's length, that clearly has the former president panicked over his own influence over the republican party because, here's the thing. last night's results i think prove that in large parts of the country, and maybe everywhere, the republican party does not need trump anymore. the maga base, white rural voters, will show up for elections to vote for republicans without trump's name on the ballot, which is why we are seeing this increasing sense of desperation from the ex-president. trump released statements endorsing youngkin and talking about how much the two like one another and share policy goals. over the weekend he turned to fox news to show how important donald trump is to glenn
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youngkin's campaign. >> i think he should win. to be honest, my base has to turn out. i hope they turn out. i really want them to turn out. >> it's a sentiment trump echoed in one of his multiple statements today taking credit for youngkin's win. i would like to thank my base for coming out in force and voting for glenn youngkin. the maga movement is bigger and stronger than ever before. you can smell the desperation coming off that statement. the multiple statements he put out saying the same thing. nearly a year out from office, trump says his movement is stronger than ever, but i'm not so sure. we're in an interesting moment right now. the reality of what happened last night, the image of glenn youngkin, private equity baron up there talking about education and normal republican issues is kind of a version of normal politics, for lack of a better word. at the same time, we are watching this metastasizing
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abnormality of american politics that is continuing to grow underneath the surface. all you have to do is check on what the trump movement was up to yesterday. to start with, at least seven republicans who were in d.c. for the january 6 insurrection were elected in state and local races, although they say they did not breach the capitol with the violent mob. the real action was in texas of all places where you might have seen this. hundreds of people, including many supporters of the far right conspiracy theory known as qanon, which espouses among many bonkers claims that selects are involved in a mass sex trafficking ring. they gathered in dealey plaza in dallas, where president kennedy was assassinated back in 1963, and they did that because some qanon supporters believe that president kennedy's son, jfk jr., who tragically died in a plane accident back in 1999, actually faked his death and will return to the public stage to announce that he will be
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donald trump's vice president. and what's interesting about this, and i think noteworthy why we're covering, why we're showing you this footage. this was not a big hyped-up event. this wasn't one of those things with lots of press coverage leading up to the rally and there were more reporters than protesters. it caught a lot of reporters by surprise. hundreds of people just congregating. of course jfk jr. did not materialize last night and the hundreds of qanon supporters went home disappointed. but that's a little glimpse into where at least part of the maga movement is right now. and so republicans, they need to decide whether they want to return to the kind of, you know, coded politics of the past before trump or run with a guy whose diehard supporters believe a dead man will ascend to the vice presidency before trump can enact swift retribution on all of their enemies.
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alex covered the gubernatorial race from the ground in virginia. tom periello represented virginia's fifth congressional district from 2009 to 2011. he has a new opinion piece entitled "youngkin's victory in virginia is a warning." tom, let me start with you. i was in charlottesville on election night in 2010 where you lost that race in the big sort of tea party backlash. you have personally experienced this. what do you make of what happened last night? >> look, i think it is a warning in time for democrats to avoid next year the losses that we had in 2010. first of all, it was a much closer election. we saw the democratic coalition turn out in a close race. but really at the end of the day i think we saw that simply being anti-trump is not enough. democrats will have to show the
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results that they're producing for everyday folks. it's a good reason to get the biden build back agenda passed, and passed faster and you actually saw with the delegates, many of whom were running to the left of the ticket, they actually survived and kept most of the gains from 2017 by running on having expanded the minimum wage, extending medicaid and health care benefits and delivering paid family leave. so i think where democrats can show those results in addition to naming the hatefulness that is trumpism 2.0, there's still time to put together a winning formula for next year. >> alex, you did a great interview with one mom in virginia who i came thinking about. when you asked her what's your issue with the curriculum, she said, well, there's an assignment that ran down andrew jackson for ethnic cleansing and i didn't like that very much. i thought, okay, that's a real grievance. that's not invented. your kid really did have an
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assignment that really did call andrew jackson a purveyor of ethnic cleansing and you don't want him to learn that. but i also wonder how much this sort of education issue, how much that was playing and how much it's just like this is what a kind of national environment that's in a kind of backlash moment looks like? >> well, i think you have to look at a couple different weather patterns in virginia. the first is that the state has seen just dramatic racial diversification in the last 25, 30 years. and there have been a lot of growing pains, to put it lightly, around that. the naacp has had its sights on the virginia school system for a while because of racist incidents. it's filed complaints with the attorney general's office. and as a response to that and current events like, for example, the murder of george floyd or ahmaud arbery or breonna taylor, the school district has tried to be more inclusive.
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now, the conservatives in the state modified by the dark money conservatives and fox news have called it critical race theory but what's happening is a bid to make the curriculum taught in schools more inclusive, more accurate in terms of history and more responsive to the needs of a diverse and changing population. that's a new problem to have. as much as we talk about glenn youngkin as a throwback to republican politicians, if you're the problem that he's trying to tackle, if you will, in virginia is very much a 21st century one. how do we talk about race and structural racism and our history of racism in america in a way that is inclusive and accurate. and that woman that i spoke to, the head of the loudoun county republican women's club, and a mom of six, the issue she had was the way those lessons were being taught denigrated whiteness and that's the fundamental problem for these parents and this anti-crt movement. they don't like the way whiteness is being portrayed in
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these new, more inclusive lessons. that is a complicated issue to solve all around and so it's different and also the same. >> people have all sorts of grievances in a given education system. when you look at youngkin's messaging, he was very smartly talking about things like teacher pay. everyone is talking about the crt part but he was saying we're going to raise teacher pay. i also think, tom, again, i think this satisfies no one because everyone after an election like this has their -- they talk their book like, well, it was because of this or that. you know, biden was elected because donald trump drove a lot of people nuts and the country went through a once in a century catastrophe that he abjectly mismanaged. the promise was we're going to get back to normal, whatever normal is. something better than this madness. it looked like it was happening in the spring and in the summer it felt a lot less normal. delta was back, places were
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closing again. there's supply chain stuff and it's bad vibes. gas prices are high. people feel like ugh's, this is not normal. >> i want to agree with that and go back to an important point alex made. first of all, voters are angry and they keep voting for change. and i think some people misread biden's nomination as being this desire to return to the old. but in fact he was change relative to what trump represented. now biden is the president, so when voters are angry, they want something that's different than that. youngkin did a very good job of presenting himself as an outsider with equal credibility to trump doing so in d.c. but he was able to paint terry mcauliffe as the insider. the ads that i was getting were about all of the corporate pac donations that terry mcauliffe
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had taken in earlier campaigns. right now being anti-establishment or at least being against the corruption is a good position to take. not trying to revert to an old d.c. consensus, which is much of what people are reacting against. to alex's point, i think this both presents a painful truth and an opportunity. we would expect if you look at times when a white majority has essentially ceded power, you have reconstruction, which ended in ethnic cleansing, and you have california in the 1990s which ended with a multi-racial coalition that has held more or less since that time. it is not hard for democrats to be the party of public education. we want kids to have schools that are safe and teach accurate history, not fairy tales. and many of those parents, white, black and brown, want their kids to be learning real history. >> right. >> and when we talk about it that way, even when some of those things are uncomfortable, we want our kids to learn critical thinking skills. that's how they're going to
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compete in today's work environment. we shouldn't be afraid of that. part of what's happened is democrats have wanted to unilaterally call for a detente in the culture wars because the democratic party doesn't support crt. therefore, it's not surprising if only one side is fighting this war, they are winning it handily. so we should talk about being pro teacher, talk about being for a safe and accurate curriculum as we see confederate monuments that were propaganda mop meants, we see monuments to black liberation go up. that is true history and also inspiring history when it's taught the right way. >> it's an amazing story of america that the former ceo of the carlisle group could get himself elected governor. it's an incredible story to see. thank you both. one reason a fairly generic candidate like glenn youngkin was able to win is that the state party fixed it so he didn't have to beat a diehard
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at in the lead-up to last night's election in virginia, it was difficult to painting glenn youngkin as trump in a fleece vest. he was spared the kind of primary where he could be outflanked by some hard core maga candidate.
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that's not the case in a lot of the upcoming statewide races. so in the upcoming midterms, donald trump has even more incentive putting his stamp on the country's primaries. the companies republicans now face is how many glenn youngkins can you field as opposed to sean parnell. he's a war veteran from western pennsylvania. he's in the run to fill pat toomey's seat which is a critical seat for republicans hoping to take back the senate. parnell is also endorsed by donald trump. he has his complete and total endorsement. while he is running for this important seat, he is in the midst of a divorce and custody battle for his three children. on monday parnell's estranged wife testified under oath that he allegedly, and i'm going to quote here, choked her until she bit him to escape and once called her a whore and a piece of "s."
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after a thanksgiving trip he briefly forced her outside of her vehicle alongside a highway after raging at her, telling her to go get an abortion. he testified the alleged abuse extended to their children. he slapped one child hard enough to leave fingerprint-shaped welts through the back of the child's t-shirt. and he once got so angry he punched a closet door that it hit the child and left a bruise. sean parnell denied the claims and said he will prejt his case next week. he's not alone. he's one of many candidates with similar, let's say, problematic profiles that trump has endorsed. candidates with a big chance of being on the ballot in the midterm election and the 2024 general election. michael steele joins me now. michael, there's a history here. we saw it in 2010, it happened again in 2012 of republicans
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having a shot at the senate and ending up with candidates that lost them races they should have one. christine o'donnell in delaware is a really famous one. how do you think of this now with youngkin have secured this victory, having never had to run in a primary and compare that to what these primary fields look like in a lot of senate races. >> man, chris, you just put your finger on a very important difference between the race that we just saw unfold and the races about to come up. what virginia republicans did and the country should know, in virginia you can choose whether to go into an actual primary, where on election day you have a primary day and voters go vote or you can have a party convention. party officials will meet and decide who with the activists and central committee chairman and so forth, who the nominee of the party will be. instead of the primary, they chose the convention because
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they wanted to tailor make the result. they wanted to get the candidate who could be competitive enough in a race across the state -- >> the fix was in. >> you could put it that way, exactly. they were doing -- in some ways they were doing what the establishment is supposed to do. >> yeah,ia'. >> they wanted it to be youngkin and didn't want corey stewart or whatever. >> right. and that's perfectly okay and perfectly fine. parties have had those options in some states to do that. here's the rub across the rest of the map, though. what you're seeing now in the races that you've identified from herschel walker in georgia and parnell and others, they'll go through this primary where typically hard-edged party loyalists come out. we say the most conservative part of the party on the right, the most liberal, progressive part of the party on the left. we saw that play out in was it buffalo? >> yep. >> or in the race up there.
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so the reality of it is now this is the space, and you've set it up perfectly and put your finger on it, where trump is going to really come into play. this race as i've looked at it now, this race that we just saw in virginia was trump's sort of like, okay, i want to get a good one in. trump was not happy about the way this played out because he was basically kicked to the curb and told to stay there. >> yes. >> but now he can make the claim i got one. i got a governor elected in a blue state, right? and that pivots him and sets him up well to look at all these other races, chris, where they're going to be clamoring if they're not already, and many are, to get that endorsement, to push them through that primary and set them up for what they think is going to be a very aggressive, competitive race against democrats next fall. >> yeah. and there's a few things that i think are interesting here. one is so you've got the bio problems of someone like sean parnell. >> yeah. >> in most normal circumstances,
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you don't want someone, and i have no idea whether these allegations are true or not, but you don't want to field a candidate whose ex-wife is saying he abused me, he told me to go get an abortion and he hit our kid so hard -- i mean -- >> yeah. >> you don't want that, right? >> right. >> you've also got this -- the other thing about youngkin is, again, trump changed so much about politics that return to the old normal, youngkin didn't seem like his way that he was going out of his way to be an obnoxious jerk to everyone all the time, which is normally how politics work across the spectrum. try to be likeable. in the ohio senate primary and it seems like they're all competing with each other to be as obnoxious as possible. >> right. >> in the hope that's what gets the trump endorsement. >> and that's what happens when you have a system set up the way it is in these races where there is an actual primary and the maga base is expected to turn
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out. youngkin, i have not met governor-elect youngkin personally. i know of him, we have a lot of mutual friends, and he is that guy in many respects that we saw in this campaign. he is a family man, a businessman. he's very approachable. and i think you're going to see that on the back end of it. now, you can have policy debates, but what you're looking at strategically is how he approached the election. >> right. >> given that he was not a trump guy. >> that's the question, though. the question for me is can you -- here's the thing that i want republican strategists to realize, which i think is true. you don't need trump. those people are going to crawl over broken glass to vote against the democrats now, trump or no trump. because you already have them, you don't need him. you're better off without him. i wonder how much republican strategists get that message from this? >> i lot more than one may think and certainly a lot more than you may hear in a public square
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coming on a program like this to talk about it. it is -- it is -- as we've seen with a lot inside my party over the last few years, there are a lot of hushed tones and sidebar conversations and nodding heads and rolling eyes and, oh, my god. and then they get out in public and they're like, you know, donald trump is the best thing that happened to the republican party and they head offstage and throw up in the trash can. and so this is -- this is the reality that the party now finds itself. and what i think you're going to see in some races are candidates coming out and saying bunk that. i'm going to stand firm on conservative, republican principles. i'm going to run my race and take my chances. what a lot of folks know, you don't need trump to win. that was proven last night. >> it was. >> maybe by accident, maybe deliberately, but it was proven last night. >> michael steele, thank you so
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take a big breath. >> you're done. >> great job! >> great job! >> you did it. >> that was great. >> how do you feel? >> halfway vaccinated. >> congratulations! are you happy about it? >> yes. >> why are you happy? >> because i'm halfway there to doing no masks and stuff that i couldn't do before. >> do you feel like maybe this gives you a little bit more protection. >> yes. >> yeah? did you need convincing to do it or were you ready to do it? >> i was ready. >> a day that millions of parents across the country, myself included, have been waiting for has finally arrived. more than 28 million young
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children are now eligible to get vaccinated after the cdc director signed off last night on a low dose two-shot pfizer vaccine for children ages 5 to 11. while most kids don't get as sick as adults from covid, more than 2 million kids age 5 to 11 have gotten covid. more than 8300 were hospitalized. 173 died. but that's out of 2 million cases. vaccinating kids will not only help keep them safe but help slow down the spread of the progression and bring general community transmission down. millions of doses have been shipped across the country. because this is a new vaccination program with smaller doses and smaller needles, it is unclear just how quickly it will move along. dr. anthony fauci is the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases at the national institute of health and also the chief medical advisor to president joe biden and he joins me now. first of all, dr. fauci, how does this work in the next week?
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just the immediate, you know, distribution. like is this already present geographically across the country? can people expect to go to their local pharmacy or pediatrician and get the shot? >> well, yes, very, very soon, chris. the preparation for this in anticipation of the favorable response of the regulatory agency, the fda. and then as you mentioned last night when the advisory committee made the recommendation by unanimous vote to make this vaccine available to children 5 to 11, we were preparing for this for quite a while to the point where by the time we get just a few days at november 8th we'll be at full speed. so it's inching up to that but clearly by the time we get into next week, we'll have all systems go. namely have the product available appropriately in pharmacies, in pediatric
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offices, in children's hospitals and in places of distribution for the children. so we hope to really be able to put a full-court press on this and hopefully get as many of these children vaccinated as possible. >> what i'm hearing from you, i want to be crystal clear on this. right now for adult doses anywhere in the u.s., it's very easy to find vaccination, almost anywhere. they exist in chain pharmacies, you can walk in. it's not the embattled days of reloading a website. what i'm hearing is a week out from today, you hope if you want to take your kid to get vaccinated, you can do it. >> that's precisely the case. we're aiming to be at november 8th at full speed. >> i am not a parent who is reluctant, hesitant, worried about giving my kids the vaccine. in fact i'm one of those who's going to do it as soon as possible. there are parents, i think, who are vaccinated themselves who are not generally vaccine
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resistant who may feel a little more concerned, anxious about kids. parents tend to be a little more worried, anxious about kids, what goes in their kids' bodies. how do you think about the messaging there and the patience and what level of uptick you're anticipating? >> well, first of all, we absolutely have to respect the concerns of parents, because parents are going to have valid questions. it's up to us in our communication to answer those questions and to make that information available widely. i mean you want to have trusted messengers. some of the best trusted messengers in these cases would be pediatricians or family members or people who have had vaccination as an adult and can talk about the results. the data are very clear, chris. the efficacy data and the safety data. our fda, particularly when it comes to children, are very, very scrupulous in figuring out
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whether we have a benefit/risk ratio that's favorable. that's the reason why we had a 14-0 recommendation from the advisory committee on immunization practices whose job is to look out for both the safety of the children as well as the protection from the vaccine. so we've got to get that message across to parents and not put down or be put off by their very, very valid questions. we like them to ask questions. we believe we have the data to back up the answers. >> the vaccination for kids age 5 to 11, obviously there are kids younger than 5, but it strikes me as a real milestone in this respect. at some point in my life, i hope, we're not going to be living in the midst of a pandemic. there's a sort of technical health term for what makes
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something a pandemic. we have the flu season every year and other endemic coronaviruses that travel around that bring what's called the common cold. it seems to me like when do we get to that? because the current situation is kind of unsustainable. it's been unraveling in a million different ways and i think you see it bubbling up socially, politically, culturally. but some say this thing is out there like the flu. it prevents some risk. we're going to take steps to mitigate against it but it will not hang over our society. >> right. and i think we can get there. so let me just very briefly explain. you characterized it quite correctly, chris. you have a pandemic. a pandemic phase when things in many respects are out of control. then you get a turning around of a deflection of the dynamics of the outbreak. from there you go into control. and control is a wide bracket because better than control is
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elimination. for example, we've eliminated polio from the united states. we've eliminated malaria from the united states. the next one down is eradication. i don't think we should be aspirational about eradication. i don't think that's going to occur. hopefully we may be able to eradicate it but given the transmissability of this particular virus, i don't think we'll see that in the reasonable future. control is where we want to be. we want to be at control at a low enough level of background infection in the community with a large proportion of individuals vaccinated and those who in fact were infected, they will have a degree of protection for a period of time. we're recommending that they ultimately wind up getting vaccinated too so that you have a veil of protection over the community. so even though you haven't eliminated it, it's not having an impact on our way of life. that's what i would consider adequate control. >> just in terms of my mental
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preparation, i'm watching cases going back up in europe, which is quite vaccinated, some countries even more vaccinated than us. i've watched the experience in new york city. had a case rise from delta but kept that hospitalization and fatality low. and i guess i just wonder we should expect cases to go up this winter. they're going to go up. if we're at sufficient thresholds of vaccination, can we basically look at this as not the kind of looming threat to our health care system and our well-being and our mortality and morbidity that it has been in the past? >> the answer to that is yes. if we continue to get people vaccinated and now we have 28 million children from 5 to 11 who are eligible to be vaccinated, we have not as many as we'd like of the adolescents who are going to get vaccinated, about half of them are, we want to get that number up. if we continue to really eat away at that recalcitrant number
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of around 60 million and get more people vaccinated, we're obviously going to have cases because when you get the cold weather, you put people indoors. sometimes they even pull back on mitigation. but we certainly want to make sure we don't get severe disease among a significant number of people or hospitalizations. if we can go in a steady way to keep people more and more vaccinated, you mentioned europe. it's very interesting, chris. if you look at the profile of europe and look at the countries that are high vaccinated, namely more than 70% of the population has at least one dose, the cases are way down. if you look at those countries in europe which are mostly eastern europe that have, let's say, less than 60% of the population, you see a big blip up, just continuing to prove that vaccination is the answer. >> all right, dr. anthony fauci. well, hopefully i'll be getting that for my kids soon. thank you for making some time
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it's a real problem. incidents of unruly behavior on airplanes alone have skyrocketed. in 2019, 146 investigations were initiated. the number so far this year is 950. it's six and a half times higher and the year isn't even over. it's not just people yelling or refusing to wear a mask in public, there's been a real escalation of interpersonal violence in this country. the number of murders in the u.s. jumped by 30% in 2020 compared with the previous year in the largest single year increase ever recorded in the country. again, we just had the largest single year increase in murders ever. >> reporter: -- ever recorded. so would you think now is an ideal time to have more people carrying more guns in a country that seems like it is processing a lot of trauma and is on very thin nerves. that is exactly what the supreme court is considering right now and the outcome could be truly terrifying. that's next. be tru ly
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time to get that vote by mail counted up and reported out. one of the reasons for that, in new jersey they did not allow the counties until midnight on election day to begin processing all of these mail ballots they received. so there was a backlog there, it seems. and it took some extra time. so every reason to believe that the vote still to come in new jersey is only going to help murphy. but the final margin, wherever it lands here, i don't think it will be too much more than what you're looking at right now. this is, as you said, there was the scare of phil murphy's life here. certainly the murphy campaign, not even republicans in new jersey, thought this thing was going to be that competitive. biden wins by 16 a year ago. maybe murphy wins by a point and a half. >> i was running the numbers, the story here, virginia was a high turnout election. here you get ciattarelli getting 66% of donald trump's vote total a year ago and murphy getting about 46% in raw numbers. just an enormous democratic turnout drop-off as one of the big stories here in this.
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>> and i think also democratic drop-off, republican enthusiasm. >> right. >> because some of these areas, ocean county here, you had sky high enthusiasm here. it's not just that ciattarelli got 68% of the vote here. the raw number of votes that ciattarelli got out of here, chris christie won this county, it was one of the big reasons chris christie got elected governor in 2009. ciattarelli got more votes out of this county than chris christie did. we saw this coming in last night, we said, holy cow, ciattarelli might have a chance statewide. a couple of these counties in south jersey, that enthusiasm and turnout was so high for republicans in fact that the state senate president here, a democrat, looks like he's going to go down to defeat, losing to a republican candidate who spent a grand total of $161 on his campaign because of that republican tide in some of these areas. >> steve kornacki at the big board, thank you so much. that's the big news out of new jersey tonight.
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turning to what happened in washington, dc today, the supreme court heard arguments about whether to keep new york state's strict gun restrictions that require gun owners to obtain a special license to carry a gun outside the home. the conservative majority on the court seemed skeptical. with what we've seen in the increase in violence across the country, what could possibly go wrong with even more people armed? chris brown is the president of brady, the national campaign to prevent gun violence, she joins me now. chris, to frame the constitutional question, my understanding is the court is considering whether to issue an opinion saying that the second amendment requires every state to just let anyone carry a gun that wants to, whenever. >> yeah, that's basically correct, chris. new york has had a permitting system for over a century that
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just says that we need to decide when someone wants to carry a gun in public in times square, whether or not they have a good reason to carry that gun. and at issue in this case is that permitting system, whether or not someone should have to state a strong reason, because of a concern for their own safety, to carry a gun in public anywhere, at any time. and it's not just new york. about a quarter of all of us here in america live in states with those kinds of permitting systems. so the scope of what's before this court is really an interpretation of the second amendment that we've had since our very founding. actually since before that. the idea of a government that was espoused by john locke was whether or not we have a right to basic public safety, whether we can walk down the street or go to the movies or go to the public square and not be afraid of violence.
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and that's why these permitting systems exist, chris. and that's why they work. they have worked. and they're really important to protect and preserve our public safety. and let's not forget that we had an insurrection on january 6th. and against that backdrop, we didn't have so many guns that were brought into the district of columbia because of strong laws in dc and many other places. this is not an esoteric argument. this is an argument that matters to every american and the stakes are really high with this case. >> in fact we have multiple messages, text messages, among folks saying leave your guns before dc is super strict. >> correct. >> there's real evidence of that. there was a moment today in the arguments where sam alito made it seem like the subways of new york, it's like the film "the warriors" or "the wild west." wouldn't people need to carry
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guns on the subway to defend themselves? as someone who just took the subway here, it's perfectly safe, and happy to not have the whole subway car armed. but the conservative justices sound very, very sympathetic to this argument. >> you know how i felt about that, chris? and i'm sure that they were referencing back to bernie goetz and vigilante justice. this notion that seemed to be undergirding some of the more conservative justices that somehow in the constitution there is a right, and it's not found in the second amendment, it's not found anywhere else, for vigilante justice. it doesn't exist. in fact it's quite the contrary. so it is alarming. i'm just hoping that in the end people recognize that we have an epidemic of gun violence, that the laws we have work, and that a well-regulated militia is completely separate and apart from our ability to protect ourselves and our kids in this
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country. >> call me old fashioned, i think the states should have a monopoly on legislate use of violence. that's just me. chris brown, thank you very much, appreciate it. that is "all in" on this wednesday night. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris, thank you very much, my friend. you just did that quick hit with -- put chris back. >> hi. >> hello. with steve kornacki about the call in new jersey. the call came in within the past couple of minutes, right? >> yes, we were in commercial break and we came out of it to go to kornacki at the big board. that is now, as of msnbc, an official call, that phil murphy will be reelected as governor of new jersey. >> okay. what i'm going to do, if you don't mind, i'm going to ask steve kornacki who has been weak for a very long time, i'm going to ask him to come back in our second segment and walk us through why it took so long, how close it's going to be. to be clear, the call has


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