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thanks for spending time with us on "the beat." the "reidout" starts now with tiffany cross. >> hi, i thought i'd get to see you this evening. we'll do it the next time i'm in new york. good evening, everybody. i'm in for joy reid tonight. there is no clear census who it is and what it was in the results of an election and that's why your timeline is dogged down with hot takes and a wakeup call about woke politics and who is to blame and why the pundits are throwing the panic room wide open for democrats. one way to take away is how the election, particularly the one in virginia was a referendum for the left's failure and rebuke from critical race theory to the
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democrats' election strategy let's be honest. those takes are like searching the edges while refusing to see what is staring back at you and i can assure you, black voters in virginia are not shocked by the so-called youngkin shocker. this isn't about enthusiasm. this isn't about democrats not doing enough to exercise their base, and this definitely is not about messaging or even about beloved. this is about the fact that a good chunk of voters out there are okay with white supremacy. let's call a thing a thing. actually, scratch that. they are more than okay. this afternoon a reporter asked president biden about the results. she clearly understood the assignment. >> what's your message to voters, especially black voters who sees republicans running on race, education, lying about critical race theory and worried democrats don't have an effective way to push back.
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>> speak the truth. layout where we are. >> some voters are also gridty over candidates that have no business governing. two separate states accused of strangling their wives and one writing a fictional thriller with graphic violence against women. if this is a reflection of their voters, it isn't looking great for the once grand ol' party. the governor of virginia hates the woman's right to choose and this congresswoman said she gave birth in a truck so nobody else deserving parental leave because in a bizarre world, that's logical and piercing through the tom line is how democrats better be concerned and we're here to say no, that ain't it. america is who should be concerned because this group, the republican party and voters who empower them have the sole
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agenda of sup pressing the weather group to hold on to its power by forcing voter suppression laws that expunge and penalize black and brown participation. they can erase white supremacy from the history books, why not because the governors will compile. they can take up arms, why not? the judges will protect them and speaking of judges, we have the conservative court putting abortion rights on the chopping block at which point we have to ask who are we anymore? we got the answer last night. this is very much who america is and always has been and there is nothing shocking about it. joining me now susan, republican strategists, fernan democratic pollster and strategists and erin haynes and named today one of the roots 100 most influential african-americans of 2021 so erin, as one of the most influential l, we'll kick it off with you.
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erin, i think i've been frustrated about hearing garbage tapes about what black voters didn't do. my friend wrote about this in the "new york times." and black voters and what happened in virginia. let's talk about other groups. overwhelmingly, white women stayed loyal to the party. why is this group the problem? why do you think that is and what is your take on the landscape and the election? >> thank you, tiffany, good to be with you and congratulations on your root 100 standing in this year's rankings. history tells us black and white so race and racism remain a potent factor. the strategy is trump-ism because it was the latest white male politician to tackle long legacy of campaigns that
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deployed race, lies and voter suppression as a path to victory. this is the original lie. we saw in exit polling, right voters breaking something lik 70/30 for youngkin and black voters 80 for mcauliffe and two-thirds of asians voting for mcauliffe and the scapegoating as a narrative and start asking why white voters are come police -- complacent on it. >> i want your take because we saw in the exit polling white women did remain loyal. look, this is not something that started with trump and i think if we're going to move forward, we have to be honest about that. racists have always felt comfortable in the republican party. why does that happen and what can be done now to change that? >> well, republicans use that,
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some republicans choose to use that strategy because it works. i hate to say it but that's the ugly part of what we're talking about and erin and you both said something very important. it's not up to women of color or white women or anybody to be the savior or to be the blame. this is how we are operating as a country, and i think one of the take aways from last night's election results is that i think that democrats may have been over ecstatic about their positioning this past january. it was a 50/50 senate and three or five majority in the house and biden was -- did win but that nbc poll that came out this weekend showed something really important. i think that's where democrats and frankly republicans are going to play on and that is the
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36% of the people voted for trump because they liked him or his policies. and 6% voted for trump because they didn't like biden's. only 27% of the people voted for biden because they liked his policies and 20%, 20% voted for donald trump -- i mean, for joe biden because they did not like donald trump. that was not a mandate on biden's policies. and at this point, it's not surprising given the history if you look at it's always the opposing party that wins new jersey and virginia, but when we look at other races especially in how things played out in the suburbs and nassau county in new york was a part of that. donald trump wasn't mentioned once and education wasn't an issue. it came down to taxes and criminal justice reform
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specifically bash -- cash bail. that's something we need to focus more on when we look at 2022. these are going to be elections that are district based, not nationalized. >> yeah, they may be district based. i want to bring you in because look, i take susan's point it's not one particular group's responsibility to save this democracy however, when you see overwhelmingly white women staying loyal to a party that will have an adverse impact on their life and white people overwhelmingly voting for policies that have an adverse impact on our lives, i mean, i got to ask, what do we do about this? take a listen to a gentleman who is kind of suggesting violence as a result of not trusting that votes will be counted accurately. take a listen and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> this is tyranny.
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when do we get to use the guns? no, i'm not -- that's not a joke. i'm not saying it like that. i mean, literally, where is the line? how many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people? >> no, hold on. no, stop. hold on. now i'm going to denounce that and tell you why because you're playing into all their plans and they're trying to make you do this. >> these are the people voting, and those are the people who they are voting in office. they have turned the internet's comment section into real live candidates. fernan, what's your take? >> tiffany, i think the most disturbing take away and consequenced, what's your take? >> tiffany, i think the most disturbing take away and consequence of last night's election in virginia and new jersey we saw something that i quite frankly did not think was possible. we saw the normalization of an armed, violent, insurrection and attempted coup against the united states by the party that was the instigator, the planners
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and the plotters, if you will and the voters of virginia and the voters of new jersey in essence said you know what? not a big deal. let's move on. also taking into consideration in virginia, many of the plotters laid out the plans for the armed insurrection. this was the first major quazi national test that's the most important issue in america today you have a republican party that's unveiled and unmasked itself as hostile to american democracy. they don't believe in the constitution and as that clip showed, they are willing to take up arms in larger numbers and the voters of virginia and new jersey in essence said yesterday no problem. it's okay. you get a pass. i don't know where it goes from here. there were no easy solutions, no easy answers and yes, you could look at joe biden's sagging approval ratings and the fact
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covid hasn't quite been back to full normal yet. i don't think any of those things, however, explain that last night in my judgment at least the voters of two major democratic states in essence said there is no penalty to pay for the republican party behind an armed insurrection. >> which is crazy. i want to bring you back in here. half the republican party does not believe that their votes will be counted accurately so yes, youngkin won in virginia last night but i was prepared if mcauliffe had won, will this group of people ever accept another election result that they don't like? and i think it's kind of scary the republican party is trafficking in the disbelief in democracy itself. >> it's terrifying and to your question, they -- if mcauliffe would have won, you would have heard it's rigged. there is no doubt about it. it would have been wrong and
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playing into the big lie, and i agree in my heart about democracy being on the line, that we may not recognize this country in a few years if we cannot maintain faith in our elections and if we cannot broaden our country's voting base. everyone should be voting. we need to get more voter participation, notless. that will make us a better country. but i'm going to go political now. if you want to win races, you can't tell people what they think should -- what you think is the most important issue facing them, you need to speak to what their most important issue is that they see for themselves and that is where you -- that's where the build back better hasn't become mun kate -- been communicated well enough to say oh, i'm getting this. i need child care, yes, i need
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universal prek and broad brand and bridges. you cannot just build on we're going to change the socialnet of our society. i doesn't work if you want to win races and that's what needs to happen. i'm a republican that supported democrats and want democrats to win because i believe in democracy and i believe in governance. we can disagree on policy but republicans aren't governing and they're still able to be influential in this process and we have to say the only solution to that is by more democrats winning. >> yeah, so erin, to that point because i think susan's point it's all about giving democrats something to hold on to, but let be honest here, erin, you could have given this message to a lot of people. it would not matter. republicans dangle things like crt, critical race theory, any of these ghost philosophies they
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have. the subtext of all this is we can't let black and brown people run the country. the messaging didn't matter. erin, in virginia voters of color have a huge position to play in the american body of politics and the api community could have made a huge difference in the virginia race and some of these razor thin margins and sometimes voters of color get overlooked because you've got the republicans yelling hey, look, the black and brown folks are coming for us. do you think messaging is the part of the problem here? >> well, you know, tiffany, susan brought up history, and i think as we reflect on today, which is the one year anniversary of last year's election, a record election that saw record turnout among voters of color in particular part of the coalition that delivered at the presidential level and gave democrats control of congress, last night was an important reminder why it's important to know our history and learn our
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history because what we saw last night and likely to keep seeing in our politics going peating i history says the culture wars centered on the classroom before when they were centered on the theory mixing public school would lead to inter racial marriage and the brown versus gore decision including parents in virginia and this was also considered parents' rights, right? it's that history, not the actual academic field of critical race theory that is not coming for anyone's k through 12 curriculum that all american parents should be concerned about. when you talk about who we're talking about, we talk about parents, right? you know, yes, this is the conversation that we need to be having right now. these are the lessons we need to be taking a year from last year's historical election and looking ahead to 2022 and '24
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and beyond. >> yeah, i don't want to make it seem like this is just a washout. i think that's part of the media narrative. fernand, there were historical elections. michelle wu, boston's first woman and asian-american mayor. ed gainey was the first black mayor there, there were some sweeping victories and i think there is some danger in getting caught up in democrats need to be so concerned. i think democrats need to be concerned about voting rites but there were small victories last night and i don't think they should get overlooked. your thought on the good part, good narrative that happened last night. >> it is a silver lining if you want to think about the future direction of the country. again, i go back to the point, tiffany, if these were normal times, if we were dealing with a normal republican party pretrump, there would be the logical difference but the question of democracy was not in
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question, you know, i think there is reason to be optimistic. again, i'm of the opinion and say this is the son of cuban exiles that were forced to leave their country because of an autocrat over throw without a voting rights bill having been passed to protect the integrity of elections, i'm not sure as susan said earlier, we can count on this democracy being in tact and being and having the full integrity of an election in 2024 and beyond and i think that's why this is the dominant issue and really needs to be going forward. >> yeah. and look, i mean, you heard it here from susan white republican women that said the key to this is having more democratic candidates win. so hopefully susan you're shouting loud to some of your fellow republican party women. so thanks so much to susan, fernand and erin haynes for breaking down crazy stuff that happened last night.
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even the senate but that doesn't have to happen. democrats have a remedy and in fact, they have two. the freedom to vote act and the john lewis votes rights act. today senate democrats with the help of one sole republican lisa murkowski, they failed to pass the bill by former congressman john lewis. the law would replace the part of the 1965 voting rights act struck down in 2013. do you remember that? specifically the plan would bring back the preclearance requirement, section five of the act and free clearance from the justice department before states can make changes to the election processes. the bill would also restore voters' ability to challenge laws like those related to redistricting or voter id requirements more than likely discriminatory. since the passage, the voting rights act has been reauthorized and amended five times and by
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large bipartisan majorities. under the last president to reauthorize the law, not a single senate republican opposed the bill and only 33 house republicans opposed it. at the time objection to the law was viewed as an embarrassment, not so today. now, it's a proud talking point for the republican party and sadly, this vote is just a taste of what is to come. what's next? banning abortions, weakening gun protections and yes, banning books. let's talk about it. joining me now elie, justice correspondent for "the nation" and bringer of the truth and the fire. elie, i cannot think of anyone better to reflect the collective outrage we're all feeling tonight. i'm so incredibly frustrated. look, we saw what happened last night. there was positives that came out of it but for the most part, the republicans had uncomfortable victories. i was so frustrated when this
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failure was laid at the feet of blank voters who are subjected to incredible, ridiculous voter suppression laws. talk about what happened today and the failure to pass the john lewis votes rights act? >> the voting rights act of 1965 is the most effective piece of legislation in american history. it did, it finished what the civil war started and it was massively effective which is why republicans hate it, which is why when it gets gutted in 2013 and that case you just talked about shelby county, that's what leads to trump winning in 2016. it's a 1-1 connection there and so if democrats liked what they saw happen in virginia last night, then by all means, keep doing what you're doing because the failure to pass the voting rights act, the failure to empower and protect the base of the democratic party, the part of the party that will vote for you at over 85% levels, when you fail to do that, you see what
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happened last night. your choice really is to empower and protect black voters or run along and chase after the 75% of non-college educated white women that repudiated you last night and runaround thinking the reason why their daughters are embarrassed for them on tiktok is because of a t toni morrison novel. >> there are a couple pieces, i'm curious which of these pieces of legislation you like. there is a john roberts voting rights act and hr 1 which never got passed. there is the freedom to vote act. all of these efforts to save voting rights and i also want to point out with lisa murkowski, the john lewis voting rights act would impact the indigenous community so obviously lisa murkowski would lend support to it but doesn't erase the fact there are other pieces of legislation that can't seem to
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get life into it. are we kind of screwing ourselves voting against ourselves, negotiating against ourselves to watered down versions of the bill? >> let's start with this. i'll use a chris rock joke. if i'm starving and you give me a cracker, i'm like that's the best cracker i had. the freedom voting rights act that's a cracker. i'll talk whatever substance the democrats will put forward to protect and empower black people. however, the real issue here is not the legislation, it's the supreme court because the supreme court are the people who took away the voting rights act to begin with. the supreme court are the people who refuse still to this day to enforce the 15th amendment that people literally died for in this country. it's the supreme court that refuses to aggressively implement the 19th amendment. if you don't fix the supreme court, the john lewis votes rights act is trying to restore something that john roberts and his conservative cronies took
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away. there is nothing to say if you pass the john lewis voting rights act, roberts wouldn't take it away again. i preferred hr 1 to the freedom to vote act. what did joe mansion, think about this, what did president mansion want out of the hr 1 that he wanted -- that he did not put into his freedom to vote act? all the ethics reforms forcing a person to release their tax returns before they run for president. prohibiting presidents from funneling money from the oval office to their family run businesses. that is what was in the freedom for the people act that mansion took out of the freedom to vote act so i think the for the people act was better but again, at this point, i will take anything from this party that actually allows people to go vote easily and frictionlessly and without the voter suppression done by the republicans and the party won't pass it. >> yeah. look, i don't want to lose sight
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of the fact there is a lot of talk about mansion-sinema. i think we get outside attention and undue attention to these two. we can't lose sight of the fact it's republicans who are obstructing being able to pass voting rights law and with this narrow majority, that's why these two. i don't want to lose sight of it's the republican party obstructing people who look like you and me, our path to the ballot box and we shouldn't lose sight of that. it's not going to be the state legislature to save democracy then people look to congress. if it's not going to be congress, people look to the courts. it looks like it's not going to be the courts either. we have to keep an eye on that. today the u.s. supreme court limits firearms out of home and you must demonstrate proper cause that's been interpreted as a special need for self-protection. the law has been in place for
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over a century but again, the conservative majority and the supreme court appear ready to strike it down and elie, i don't have to tell you this would have major ramifications for other states with similar laws that means more guns in public spaces. you saw in the last block this guy wants to know when we can use guns and start killing people and like the new york city subway for instance where it's the public space they say people can carry guns. listen to justice samuel alito. >> these people with guns on the subway and the hard working law abiden people can't be armed. >> the idea of proliferating arms on the subway is precisely i think what terrifies a great many people. >> now, in contrast with alito, justice steven briar pointed out the obvious implications of up unfeddered access. >> i think people of good moral
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character that start drinking a lot and may be there for a football game or soccer game can get pretty angry at each other and if they each have a concealed weapon, who knows. there are plenty of statistics in these briefs to show there are some people who do know. and a lot of people end up dead. >> now, i should say justice roberts asked how many muggings take place in the forest. many people get mugged in the forest. ask dick cheney. this is the first time the supreme court has taken up gun laws. what should we be concerned about here because the conservative court looks like they're about to expand people having guns in a lot of dangerous places. >> so bad. it's so bad what's going on right now. i mean, i imagine sam alito saided like 1984 when he plugged four unarmed black people on the subway. i bet he sounds like that. to put this in context, on
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monday we had conservative justices arguing that any hunter can regulate a women's reproductive choice. on wednesday we had the same conservatives argue the state of new york could not regulate a white man getting on the subway with an over -- with a loaded over compensation symbol to do whatever he needs to do on that subway. like, that is the hypocrisy that we are dealing with when we're talking about conservative control of the supreme court. the upshot of today's case is that new york's permitting requirements that require you to show proper cause, that's the first line of the second amendment, a well regulated militia necessary for a free state. proper cause is in the second amendment but the conservatives will take that and say new york state must issue gun permits to anybody who can fill out a form and that those people must be
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find new peace of mind. find new roads. chevrolet. all right. joy sat down with huma abedin the long-time advisor to hillary clinton to talk about her fabulous new book. take a look. >> huma abedin is one of hillary clinton's most trusted advisors by her side from the clinton administration to the presidential campaigns to the
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secretary of state office where she was one of the highest profile muslim americans to serve in the executive branch. you may also know her from her relationship with anthony weiner but she's not told her full story publicly until now. in her now book "both and" she shares her extraordinary personal journey growing up in saudi arabia to being the right hand person to one of the most powerful people in the world. huma abedin joins me now. i said this off camera so i'll say it on camera. it's shocking to think about the fact we've never really seen you do interviews or hear you because you're familiar with democratic politics for so long you were the person off to the right. so how did it feel to move from just off to the right to center stage telling your story? >> well, first of all, so excited to be on the show with you today but i have to say, i preferred being behind the scenes, prefer being invisible. everything is new to me so i'm
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emerging into this world where all the things i would say to somebody else, we were talking about this earlier. don't forget to say this and do this. i know all the mechanics but being in the chair it's a whole different experience. so just getting used to it. >> getting used to it and doing a brilliant job. i want to talk about your family. i'm semi obsessed with your up bringing. international and cross cultural and fundamentally american and fundamentally immigrant but quite international. you were around the world. you lived in saudi arabia. you come from free people. free women who were true to their faith but within the constructs of that faith, really insisted on education, insisted on being free. >> that's right. >> talk about what that did for you growing up as a young muslim girl. >> joy, it's one of the reasons i started book saying that i grew up surrounded by stories.
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i was raised to honor my formothers and forefathers and i honor the families. they migrated after the partition. for them, education was almost a religion and i owe it, i write the story of my grandmother 100 years ago demanding to be educated which was not the norm for girls of her time and my grandmother never went to a formal school. my mother was mostly home schooled and 21 to get a full bright or 23 to get a full bright to come to the united states. she gave up everything, her family, her people thought her parents are crazy. what are you doing sending your unmarried daughter leaving pakistan and going to philadelphia. she did. she followed her dreams. i am so conscious of the
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sacrifices that my parents made. my father struggled with terminal illness. he was ill most of my life but they did this for their children. they pursued the american dream and i got to live an extraordinary privileged life because of them. >> it's worth getting a copy of the book but the first 100 pages talking about your family is brilliant. you're in queens. you're in michigan. you're -- and then you're in saudi arabia. i have to talk about your relationships. it feels natural having read about your upbringing and background that you gravitated towards these relationships towards people so different from you. talk about hillary clinton, somebody so formidable in your life she could have been in your family. >> that is an observation that nobody has made but it true for me that i left, you know, one of the reasons i liked growing up in the middle east is having a strong sense of community and support and you're kind of involved in each other's lives f. there is a fun well everyone shows up, if there is a wedding,
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everyone shows up. when my father had to go to the hospital for a kidney transplant, my friends took us in and moved furniture in to be comfortable. one of the most important lessons my parents taught us is radical empathy. in the end it's our choice. all they required is we be educated. to land in the white house and have a boss like hillary clinton, i think the community hillary landed was very similar. >> i'm trying to find the quote about hillary clinton staying with bill clinton because your family were so loyal to one another it had to be jarring to work for somebody who in the end her husband had some failings with loyalty and you write in all the frenzy speculation why hillary clinton stayed in her marriage and it was a political arrangement, skeptics tended to rush over the very obvious thing, she did it because she believed it was the right thing to do for herself and her
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family. i want to set up an issue in your relationship, anthony weiner different from you, different in religion and every way. you're married. what drew you to him, first of all, initially? >> i fell in love with his exuberant, he was smart and interesting and in public service and i felt our values an aligned. we met in 2001 and went our separate ways but there was an attraction to him and i felt like, you know, he was my friend before he was anything else, and we sort of fell in love by accident. >> with all the things that happened between 2011 and i think you guys separated in 2016. why did you stay? >> well, i think a lot of people look at our relationship through a 2021 lens and in the moment, the first time the story broke about anthony's scandal, we were newlyweds. we were living this
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extraordinary life. i was at buckingham palace deeply in love with my husband. hes the first man i had been with. i was carrying his child and in shock. we just talked about my father. i did not have a choice when my father was taken from me and knowing i was carrying his child, i wanted to give my son the opportunity to be raise in a household with two parents. obviously, over the years things escalated and in every instance, joy, i really tried to make the best decision for my son and myself until i got to the point where i couldn't do it anymore. >> all right. much more of joy's interview with huma abedin after the break including james comey's role in the 2016 election and michele bachmann's baseless attacks on her family. don't go anywhere. her family don't go anywhere. oh, man that is wrinkly. like, not even just a little wrinkly,
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welcome back. we have more on joy's interview with huma abedin. >> let's talk about something that involves your husband, involves anthony weiner and involves the election. the 2016 election was so traumatizing for so many people. i want to play for you three for my producers and the moment james comey made an announcement. >> breaking news tonight, a bombshell from the fbi director 1 1 days until the election, the feds investigating newly discovered emails related to the hillary clinton private server case. found during a separate probe into sexting allegations into her top aide's husband anthony weiner. >> you write about your feelings in that moment toward anthony weiner but also towards jim comey. talk about that. >> well, in that moment, what i felt and as i recount in the book, i walk into this restroom and i -- it felt selfish to feel
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for myself. it was -- i was so shocked. i had thought i had controlled the situation. i thought i had figured this out. i had tried, you know, to help anthony in best way i possibly could, even though i was not capable and was not successful capable and not successful doing that. you know, to me i just didn't understand why nobody had reached out to make this earth-shattering revelation 11 days before the election, an unprecedented move. it's not something i'm saying, others have said in the history the past 70 years, no fbi director had done anything like this. and for me part of the shock, joy, was the fact that i would have gladly cooperated, provided whatever information that i was asked. and i write the story in the book right at the beginning of the campaign when the fbi investigation started. i'm sitting in a conference room with hillary and saw articles that state department aides were
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asked to provide information to the fbi and see my name. no one had contacted me. i contact a lawyer friend saying this says i need to provide information. that's why the shock at the announcement and two days before the election which i think helped her opponent even more. >> it's not even arguable that changed absolutely the trajectory of the last end of that campaign. one other thing. you being known and not known. like people know who you are. you are the glamorous presence and people know vaguely who you are. unfortunately one of the ways people know who you were, the right was vicious toward you. they used you and in some way you say couldn't respond and they used you as a battering ram. michele bachmann, she wrote the following. she wrote a letter accusing you of being connected to the muslim brotherhood saying influence operations and muslim brotherhood and security concerns, et cetera, et cetera,
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et cetera. talk about being a muslim woman in a country that as you said being american is so fundamental to who you are, and yet you're being attacked by somebody you know that you can't hit them back. and if you could also include in that being in a country that did the muslim ban. how did you feel about those two pieces of -- >> you know, that incident as a whole was probably one of the hardest things i have ever had to deal with in my adult life and in part because i was raised in the clinton school of politics. you're used to the smears, you're used to the negative statements, you're used to the lies. back in the '90s with the 24-hour news cycle you did not acknowledge a lot of the fake news, you drove the proactive message of the day. now we've -- and by 2012 we had moved into the social media world where you are in a 24-second news cycle. i felt so paralyzed because they were attacking my family and my
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father who was not even able to defend himself. when you know who my father is and his whole approach to the world is talking to the other, going into conversations as his allies would say don't go into conversations where even angels fear to tread, he was fearless about talking to the other side. so to do that to me, and it's why throughout the book i write about the bombings in africa when president clinton was president and in 1993 and the uss cole. all these ways, all these horrible incidents that took place, but which as a result kind of made my religion into this bogeyman. i felt like that was a little bit of an appetizer for what was about to come in 2016. she really, you know, presented this bomb and, you know, it worked. it really wording. it was very, very difficult for me.
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>> it's a difficult story but it's beautifully written. you're a good writer. >> thank you. >> if you ever decide to do a novel, you'd do well. you get a copy of this because it is a truly american story, an international story and a well told story. >> huh. >> huma abedin, thank you. it's such an honor. >> it's an honor to be with you. >> author of "both/and," get that book. still ahead, a potentially major turning point in the fight against covid. stay with us, we'll be right back after the break. with us, t back after the break ♪♪ this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan that covers everything that's important to you. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. making sure you have the right balance of risk and reward. and helping you plan for future generations.
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all right. well, today a collective sigh of relief could be heard from millions of parents across the country and that's because starting this morning children ages 5 to 11 are finally getting covid vaccinations. this is after the cdc gave the green light last night for the child-size doses. this could be a game-changer for the more than 28 million kids now eligible. >> i have my vaccine, and life is going to be better. >> i can be back to normal in my classroom and in the school so
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we can have recess altogether. >> but the latest kaiser family foundation poll finds that a third of parents are not quite ready for their kids to roll up their sleeves and 30% say their kids will definitely not get the vaccine. today president biden implored hesitant parents to reach out to their family doctors to get their questions answered. >> after almost 18 months of anxious worry every time the children, your child has a sniffle or started to cough, you can now protect them from this horrible virus, but i also know that some families might have questions. so trusted messengers, like your pediatricians, family doctors, will be able to answer your questions. talk to parents about the importance of getting your kids vaccinated and put your mind at ease. >> family doctors, not social media. and another positive covid news, it appears that the vaccine mandates are actually working. for all the fear mongering that the mandates would lead to these
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mass firings of first responders, police officers and firefighters, it ain't happening. like right here in new york city where the police unions threatened the mandate would relieve upwards of 10,000 officers, that number at the beginning of the week was only a whopping 34. according to the police commissioner, 85% of the nypd staff are now vaccinated. all right, that is tonight's "reidout." joy will be back many to. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> it clearly was a fair election and i applaud the governor-elect. >> the most important takeaway on a bad night for democrats. and the conspiracies that he indulged move on without him and jfk jr. shots go into the first arm

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