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thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary homes. the beat starts now. hi, ari. >> thank you so much. i want to welcome everyone to the beat. our top story now, this major breakthrough in the ongoing fight against covid. the cdc approving the vaccine for kids 5 to 11 with shots now going into arms. coming up later on the beat, we have special election coverage including any updates as a everyone waits for results out of new jersey. that's later, but we begin with what is a breakthrough by any measurement, by any account, when you think about what everyone's been going through, how long families and parents have been waiting for this. president biden heralding a pandemic milestone. >> today's a great day for american parents and american families and american children. for parents all over this country, this is a day of relief and celebration.
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after almost 18 months after anxious worrying every time the children, child has a sniffle or started to cough, well you can now protect them from this horrible virus. >> the president addressing a parents of america. with this process which took more time because that's how they make sure things are safe, you can now participate and ensure your child is safe the way you would be safe from this horrific covid. that is a relief for parents, teachers, for educators of other kinds. for everyone that goes in and out of a school who are seeking some kind of normalcy as we also prepare for winter. 28 million children eligible now. and the white house saying that there is enough of these doses for all of them. as we know, that is not the case for my countries around the world. we are tracking this. the reaction from real people. it's not politics. it's not opinion. it's not debate. it's just people going through
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daily life getting this news, getting this development as part of how they protect their families and among many, there's just down right relief and joy in the parents' very voices. >> it was an easy decision for our family. we've been waiting for this for a very long time. >> how do you feel? >> like i got vaccinated. >> it was just a pain then it started feeling better. >> i can be back to normal in my classroom and in the school so we can be together. >> about 600 days. >> 602. >> 602. >> not that we've been counting and every parent can tell a story about what that's been like. it's been hard on all of us and to know that we're about to begin a new day, it's just such a giant lens of relief. >> 602 days and relief.
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so the vaccine now cleared for that age group. it's safe. 90% effective in preventing covid infection and the vaccine as this juncture is not being mandated. but of course there are in vaccines that are mandated. everyone who's participated in schooling yourself knows that. and if history is a guide, at some point, this brand-new covid vaccine that's been cleared specifically for kids 5 to 11 could join that list. it's not happening today. that's not the news tonight, but you have all of these liberty arguments cropping up. you have the partisan anti-vaxx attacks. over the weekend as everyone was preparing for this good news about what kids can safely get,
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residents in staten island held this rally, which included some threats. >> if they're going to push this on the kids without any type of, you know, balance, what we're comfortable with, i can guarantee you one thing, town halls and schools will be [ bleep ] burnt to the ground. >> what's scarier there? one person demanding however rhetorically they might defend it, the burning to the ground of schools, where innocent kids are, or the, what you clearly heard there. the cheering for that kind of talk. watch the beat, you know we've tried to cover this fairly throughout. there are issues on both sides and people have the right to voice strong opposition to this and other policies. but you may have also heard me say they don't have the right to directly try to foment or cause violence. burning down schools would be that. that's not just one rally, one
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place. in louisiana at the governmental level, republican state lawmakers, about 14 are disputing the need for the vaccine for children. 18 children died from covid in that state. this is a disease and virus that is less dangerous to kids, but they are not immune medically, then you have florida's maga governor, on the day there's this breakthrough, he could provide information, be a leader tell people it works, this is high we have a state surgeon general and a federal one. it's a day to give people information so they can make sure decisions. instead, he's doubling down on the politics and getting into a shadow boxing about whether there would be vaccine mandates for kids then openly trying to mock the president. take a look. >> when you look at the biden, the brandon administration in terms of what --
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>> it's all fun and games until a lot of people die of covid. i'm joined by dr. patel. she worked as a health policy adviser with brookings and michelle goldberg with "the new york times." i showed the news landed on some of the fierce politics, so i go to you first on the politics. against the backdrop of something that we now have assurances is safe for kids. >> i think there's been so much attention to vaccine resisters, vaccine deniers, anti-vaxx activism. that's going to become much more of an issue in the weeks to come. right now, the issue is that it's very hard to get an appointment. i don't think we talk enough about the parents that are desperate for this vaccine. the parents that are lining up for this. parents that are crashing websites and making it difficult
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you know, any kind of pediatrician will tell you their phone is ringing off the hook. i spent hours this morning trying to get an appointment for my kids. part of the politics is that the rollout really could have been a little smoother. there's still not on vaccine.gov. there's still not a tab for you to find pediatric vaccines and so you know, i think later on, there's going to be a story about lack of demand, but right now, the story, it feels in some way is like march or april when the real story was about the desperate demand. >> yeah. we've seen that in as you say, phases of multiple rollouts, which speaks to the fact that this is still a very big task for medicine and government. doctor, i'll let you respond to that as well as i want to play for viewers what the cdc is saying because i'm sure statistically, we know there are parents watching, about how this process worked and how they assure safety for the very
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different category of kids under 11. take a look. >> we've taken the time to get this right. to do the science to have a kids dosing schedule. the dose is about a third of the adult dose. and really, you know, it's taken us almost a year compared to when we had vaccine for adults. so really done the due diligence, reviewed the science, that he had sure we had appropriate doses for our children and really now we have parents who can have the peace of mind when they get their kids vaccinated, they will be protected. >> doctor, walk us through all of the above. >> yeah, sure. just on the comment of how this is unfolding and the rollout, i agree with michelle and i think just something to observe that pediatric vaccines in general are delivered in the most trusted environment and it wasn't really until the public health emergency was declared that we made allowances for pharmacies across the country to
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be able to administer vaccines to much younger children. so the office is really where we do most of this education and receiving vaccines, but if you think about it, it's ironic. the office is not a really easy way to get throughput. we're going to be doing walk up vaccine clinics next week, but even then, we would not be able to do what we could in some of these larger sites and some of the retail pharmacies, so it's a little bit of a twist on how we're doing this. to the second comment about how this has been studied, we've done everything possible to scrutinize this, the fda and cdc previewed their surveillance strategy, which is over and beyond what we already had. the strategy has been one of the most rigorous that i've seen in any of the vaccine rollouts of the last several decades and they're doubling down on it to make sure the pediatric vaccine, transparency, availability of realtime data is going to be front of center so that parents who are still waiting, which i
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don't blame them, there are going to be parents who wait and will want their pediatrician to talk to them first. i think that's reasonable. but how much of this will be undercut by the misinformation? it's already started and pretty overwhelming to hear people manipulating cases of myocarditis and putting fear into families that have had over 600 days of fear pretty much constantly around this virus. >> and doctor, when you see the some governors like in florida jump from where we actually are, which is this has been cleared and you can learn about it and make a decision to when and if there would be it added to the other typical vaccines that are in schools, what is your view of how that process would normally go, how it should go? >> that process would normally go, look, we're under emergency use authorization. there's reason we have that authority.
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because we know the fda and cdc make decisions on benefits outweighing the risks, but we will have that six month follow up data soon and we'll be able to make kind of that full licensed approval and you will see this work its way into school requirements for vaccinations. which by the way, is very much like the process we've seen play out with how we arrived at this emergency use authorization. we collect real world evidence and look at that. so i think and by the way, i find it disinous, we've had a little over 100 deaths. rubella has 17 deaths on an average year. we're talking about numbers that dwarf other vaccines. i'm getting a little frustrated with people who gaslight the few people who are trying to just help parents do the right thing.
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it's -- that could get some traction and we could see 28 million children who have vaccinations delayed and having schools reopen and eventually take masks off. do the things we know can happen when you have the majority of people vaccinated inside a classroom. >> michelle. >> to tie this a little bit to the bigger political story that's happening right now, when i've been talking to parents in virginia, one of the reasons i think that some of this demagoguery against crt, one of the reasons, there were so much preexisting anger and frustration with the way school has gone for the last 18 months. i think parents of all political persuasions have been through such a hellish and grueling experience. both for the sake of parents, but also politically, i think it's really, really important that these vaccines are, become a step towards normality.
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because schools are open, but they're still not normal. and you know, there needs to be some sort of off ramp, some sense that when we get to a certain metric that we can, that there's an exit strategy from what parents have been through for the last 18 months. >> i think that's all well put and speaks to the intersection of today's news, which is big, and what people typically want if you are forced to live through some sort of hellscape because it's temporarily required as michelle says, people want to know where the darn exits are. where are the exits. a lot of people have been feeling like that for some time. i thank michelle and dr. patel. come up, we have a lot more on the program. new details in the giuliani criminal probe. we're going to break down what michelle was referencing. a lot of people are dead wrong and we're just going to show you the facts to explain why. meanwhile, joe biden also trying to dial up the pressure to get
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counted tonight. the new jersey governor's race is still too close to call at this hour. the incumbent democrat there with a thin lead. we will bring updates if there is an nbc news election desk call. meanwhile, politicos are focusing on how virginia voters went against biden and their former democratic governor, turning the state red for the first time in a decade. that has many reacting and frankly, overreacting on what it all means. including some down right histrionic responses from some democrats. >> we need to deliver. we have to show that it made a difference in people's lives that democrats control the congress and the white house. >> i think people are rebelling against what the democratic party stands for nowadays. >> most important thing is we can never run just on antitrump. that is not a message that voters are going to resonate to. >> the border. just maintaining it open. the wokism. not listening to parents, but
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politicians. >> politics is about timing and we blew it on the timing. >> there's a democrat saying they blew it on the timing. can we talk about facts? no doubt democrats lost ground in virginia and they can debate why. argue something that is actually factually quite debatable. they argue that if the democrats changed one big thing they might have won this race. they argue that a d.c. spending bill would have passed, would have flipped the whole race. talking less about trump might have made the difference. the party in power loses these off year elections. that's virtually what always happens. always regardless of how the campaign is run or who is on the ballot. on the beat, we noted that
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before the election and a reminder, as the political world seems to convulse today, not that i suggest you spend a lot of time on twitter because it's not a great source of news, but as twitter has a full tanty, a tantrum, the facts are this. the party in the white house loses the next year's races almost always. because the opposition mobilizes. and here are the facts. when bush 41 took the white house, the republicans lost the new jersey races. when clinton first took the white house democrats lost both races. when bush 43 came in, republicans lost both races. obama was first elected there with a very promising new coalition, but again, democrats lost both races the next year and many, many things where are different about trump, but not this. he followed the same path throughout history of all those other presidents. the party in power then
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republicans, losing both those races the year after the election. this almost always happens. it's a trend that's just much larger than anything else. it happens in the year after the presidential election. so the parties of course have time to decide what they want to do and their plans of how much to react, but when pundits in the press treat this very routine, regular shift as a larger referendum on the specifics, they might be missing history's lessons in plain sight. it's not just the overcaffeinated people on twitter. it's respected people in the media. a solid journalist last night -- an entire party's emerging platform. >> how much of this is a message to the democratic party that it's too far left? that if you're the squad or if you're, you know, someone who's been calling for defund police
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or socialism or democratic socialism. >> well that may not be the right question because it's based on this problematic premise. now, i'm not just calling out a respected reporter like mr. cooper, this thing i'm talking about, this tendency, it goes to the top. late today, the president himself seemed to mesh his own d.c. policy agenda with the trend i just told you about, the results in virginia. >> do you think mcauliffe would have won if your agenda passed before election day? >> well, i think we should have passed before election day. >> okay. but when democrats look at this and say, gosh, everything would have been different if a d.c. spending bill passed, suddenly, virginia would have bucked the trends i just told you unlikely. now all of this draws on the factual history from more traditional political times. we're not living in them.
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michelle goldberg and i were just talking about this. we're living new an unusual and horrific pandemic that hangs over all of this. it's also lasting longer than many voters were told it would. it's upended daily life and work and schooling and one thing that voters have in common this year and last year, if you take off your partisan glasses for a second, the voters punish the party in power. the incumbents for the pandemic and its impact. they did it last year, this year, and that's a perfectly understandable thing to do in a democracy that still feels in so many ways like it's not on right track. but what do i know? i'm just an anchor. let's to someone who works in campaigns. the guy president obama picked. cornell, good to see you, sir. >> i'm not going to let your facts get in the way of my hot takes.
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i'm just going to tell you now, your facts are getting in the way of my hot take and being angry at the establishment. >> go ahead. no, but you are stepping back, making sense of it all. we see this every couple of years. it's almost like we have amnesia. ari, you might remember this. after the 2010 loss, there were people on the left who were literally writing op-eds saying barack obama shouldn't run for president again. those are sort of crazy hot takes that you get in all this and not understand this pattern. and the question is can we break this pattern and how do we go about breaking this pattern because what you've talked about is right. the party in power gets punished the next year there's a historical trend there. but what i would say is different about what's happening now, ari, this is really important for us to understand, is we actually have to break
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that trajectory because, ari, we don't break that going into this midterm, it may well be the last sort of midterm or end of democracy as we know it because if you look at what republicans are doing across these states and you know, in the state legislative bodies and if you look at that, if we can't stop that from the federal level, we don't know what 2024 is going to look like. we may have a next presidential election where, where if republicans are in control, they actually throw out the votes and they put trump back in power who's certainly going to run again. >> let me jump in because those are very important points we've covered that. i think you're right. i think you're not locating that in the results because it's about the stakes, which is true. it's wild to watch things
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repeat. people are emotional. they respond in the moment. respond to how it feels which is different than the more rational, longer look, but anyone who studies this the way you do could have told anyone a month or even three months ago what democrats needed in virginia was a straight flush. it's possible to get. they may have underperformed. they ran a centrist who was governor before who felt like an old thing when people want something new and different. the reaction should be gosh, we didn't get the hard thing, according to democrats. not, oh, my god, this is unbelievable. because i just showed on that map history that it's the normal thing. now digging into virginia, i want to get your response on, i won't call it the hot take. call it the lukewarm take, okay, my guy? but there is question about how punishing the pandemic is and that may have helped biden last time and it may have hurt democrats this time, but virginia writing about this, so
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we go to someone living through it who say this victory was about schools and not just the race baiting. those issues allowed a focus on quote, the education system. the parents remain frustrated by the way public schools have handled the coronavirus pandemic. your thoughts. >> my thought is this. my thought is i am sick and tired of how so many in the mainstream and so many sort of even progressive consistently undermine the power of tribal ism and the power of race in our country. they consistently undermine or pay no attention to the most successful political strategy ever in this country. it's a southern strategy. and critical race theory is simply the latest greatest
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iteration of the strategy. it's cross town bussing. welfare. it is defund the police. it is a tax on the border. right? and i think part of the progressives problem is republicans get the power of race and tribalism and how to trigger that and mobilize around it and democrats want to say, oh, it's never about race or progressives want to say, it's not about race. it's all about something else. if we just come up with a better economic message as if though so many of these voters, these down scale voters are simply pocketbook transactional as opposed to the ideal that many of them make the sense of their lives through the prism of their values and culture and simply say when youngkin stood up and said, trump did this very well. he said i'm going to give you back your country, those people are stealing your country, stealing our elections and youngkin says we're going to take back virginia, he's having a conversation about something
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bigger than minimum wage. >> that's fair. yeah, that's 100% fair. we asked because we wanted the question. cornell has the answers. hot take is a pejorative term. i would say it's a lit take. in the sense that you gave us food for thought, sir. >> well, you know, the block is hot right now, ari. block is hot. >> the block is always hot. cornell, good to see you. let me tell folks what's coming up. we have the giuliani update, including why he's fighting to hide evidence. but we have our shortest break right now, 60 seconds. when we come back, we turn to some other races, including some historic firsts. we'll explain in 60 seconds. fi. we'll explain in 6se0 conds. ♪ ♪ when the chapstick goes on. it's on. get yours on at chapstick.com
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new direction. if i can quote one of the most philosophical genius of our time, frank started from the bottom now we're here. >> there it is. the mayor elect of the largest city in america. eric adams speaking at his victory party last night about the new directions while invoking drake. one of several new figures breaking barriers and redefining who leads some of the largest cities. the press may be overemphasizing certain results eyeing the virginia governor's race as this classic bellwether, but that state's second highest office now features the first female and woman of color ever. pittsburgh electing its first black mayor ever. cincinnati electing its first asian american mayor and a city with notorious local politics
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and ethnic strife, boston, where cornell just mentioned bussing as a pretext for race, that was a big issue there for many decades. only now today is boston breaking a 199-year streak of exclusively white men running that city. we checked. there would never been a woman or a minority as mayor until now. michelle wu is the mayor elect of boston. 2020 was a year that elected the most diverse congress in american history. it also had the highest turnout ever since women were granted the right to vote, which means when you had fully gender equal voting in america, you can't vote to any higher turnout year that 2020. and the data did show some of that was powered by a trump backlash, which was a particular trump moment. some of what we're seeing last night this these results from many places, not just virginia, suggest something else that is continuing after 2020. even as democrats do face some fading signs of enthusiasm and
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we talked about that, there's something else going on. voters around the country continuing to redefine who is qualified and available to lead their city, states, and even the federal government. >> my family went from being refugees to now the next mayor of cincinnati. >> one of my sons asked me the other night if boys can be elected mayor in boston. they have been and they will again some day, but not tonight. >> the first african-american elected to the city's highest office. >> you made this city that we love believers. >> we're joined now by two people who covered and been around many races. maya is a former civil prosecutor in new york with specialization in civil rights who also ran in that mayor's race. she finished above most candidates, second only to mr.
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adams and the editor in chief for rolling stone magazine. welcome to both of you. maya, you know of what you speak. you were a participant in one of those races. what does it mean for america to note they're saying this and as a corollary, what does it mean if this is being undercovered and underappreciated with the way that politicos and some of the media fixate on certain races and outcomes? as our lead showed, we think this is a pretty significant development. >> it's an important development, you know, just here in new york city, it's only the second time we have ever had someone who was a person of color, someone black elected mayor of a city that is majority people of color. we saw it in boston. in pittsburgh, cincinnati. and you know, part of what has to has been in elections is that we have to have a bench, a pipeline of people who actually relate to touch and can express and connect with the experience
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of the base. of voters. and i think that's what we're seeing in these elections. it's one of the things quite frankly that was a critique in the virginia race. and you know, cornell was in the trenches with me just full disclosure. part of why the southern strategy works is because it taps fear, hate, and division, tribalism, but part of the anecdote is to start developing the leadership that speaks to all those voters, including those who show up regularly at the polls and too often don't feel they're being heard and their issues are being addressed. >> noah, speak to what you know as a long time journalist. to 2020 has a more diverse slate in congress. 2021, different in all the ways
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we've discussed, it tends to go to the party out of power, yet we're seeing a lot of diversity, including by some of the republicans in the virginia context. >> right. the virginia attorney general race was also very diverse and won by a republican, so there was a lot of diversity on both sides. it's to be applauded and i think in a way, right, we're seeing how the quote unquote blue states even when they're won by a republican, that the values of diversity and inclusion and widening the pool, you know, that's being celebrated. even when you've got a guy like youngkin who maybe isn't running in concert with that. i also just have to add in new york, you know, our mayor, he's the new mayor. the first or the second mayor of color here. he also may be amongst the
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weirdest mayors we've ever had. not to take this whole segment into a left turn, sorry, ari, he's like a very colorful, unique character. somebody who you know, is praising lewis faricon back in the day and now is telling members of my community that he'd like to retire in israel. so we're getting not only diversity of background, but some extreme diversity of thought here in new york. >> we welcome weird turns here. you are on the beat. b, i can only imagine that you're almost baiting, i would say you can't really bait maya. almost baiting her on day where she might congratulate a former foe, but i will give her the option of either engaging with that because mr. adams has a long history, a big "new york times" account of people saying he said this and that.
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so i'll let her choose whether she wants to go into door number one or two, i was curious to your reaction to the referendum. minneapolis, where there's been so many policing and racial issues having a big clash with something that wouldn't have normally ever been on a ballot ten years ago about a really strong police reform, really decommissioned police reform, but 56% of voters there in this off year rejected that. >> yeah. look, i'm going to walk through door number two. because actually, part of the debate in the new york city race that was important advantage for eric adams is that when he was a police officer, he had called for police reforms. that's important to remember because i think we have forgotten in this election cycle just how important police reform is to communities, particularly black and latino communities.
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communities that have been overpoliced that have had extreme human rights violations in some instances that go without consequences. and what we saw here, a lot of news coverage on minneapolis because a reform that would reframe and restructure public safety and to prevention failed, but at the same time, in austin, folks said, you know what, we don't want more police. because that's going to impact other things that we want. at the same time as we saw in cleveland, they said we want civilians. we want the community to have the final word on discipline of police because we're not seeing sufficient accountability. and i think it's incumbent upon democrats to remember both the base, but also what matters in the daily lives of the base and safety includes being safe from police violence and having their other needs cared for and that's important for democrats to remember.
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>> all fair points. and i had a hunch that at least the day after his victory, she was going to take that route. i got 30 seconds, noah. you do run rolling stone. one of the most iconic music publications of all time. do you care to weigh in on the unimportant debate that broke out in new york over whether mr. adams was right to quote a song that he took inspiration from or should he have quoted one of the many available new york musicians, rappers and artists. >> i'm happy you went there. i find his quoting of a toronto rapper to be utterly offensive and that's why bill wily in 2025 because i know she'll be strictly about -- >> there you go. i don't know if it's the ledge issue that maya would ever seek,
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but i'm happy to end on a lighter note. if you're in new york city and you have naz and havoc, you've got so much here. to go there. you know. we'll leave that up for the voters to decide. thanks. i would never forget asap ferg or rocky or the mob who represented -- rocky represents harlem with the best of them. i'll tell you this, noah. >> on that note, if you don't -- now you do. >> wait, i cut out. repeat for me. even if the viewers heard you. >> i said on that note, now if you don't know, now you know. >> oh, okay. brooklyn's finest. for the win. good to see you both and thank you for your patience with me, as always. next up, giuliani trying to hide
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priorities. congress has to pass the social safety net, he says. and meanwhile, nobel prize winning economist, paul krugman, argues it has many programs that would help make the economy a no brainer. he says, quote, opposing it is a visceral dislike for basically any government program that helps the poor or a desire to keep the poor poor. and who would want to do that? let's get right to the policy with paul krugman. good to see you. what do you mean by that and is anything different in your view today as compared to yesterday? >> well, i mean, i think just i'm not a political expert. it does seem to me that the problem, i think part of the problem the democrats had in these elections was that people don't see anything happening. it feels particularly if you're not, deeply inside the weeds
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then you see, okay, there's a little bit of progress here or maybe something, but what they see is that nothing really has been passed since the american rescue plan since the big legislation and so that has got to be for sane democrats, the priority should be to make something happen. not that the tail, not the technocratic wonkiness, but that we're actually doing something. for people. that biden plan is there are really two things. the whole other thing. a lot of it is children. a lot of it is stuff that is pro-child. moves the united states part way towards the kinds of investments in children that are normal. it's making a huge difference to people's lives and the country's future. >> because you do think systemically, i am curious
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though on the economy and the electorate, what portion do you think of this is all driven by the pandemic? do you view that as a good chunk? half, the majority? >> the economy, remember the economy is, it's not a bad economy. but it's a disappointing economy. a lot of people were expecting that we'd be roaring, which it's quite possible if you look at sort of the straws in the wind. they do suggest that the months ahead will be much better than the last few months for the economy, but still, it's been disappointing and that's a combination of these supply chain issues. which are widely technical and also really not something you really could have expected policy to improve, but also the fact that persistence of the pandemic and that's been the big spanner in the works for all this. and that's something we're first of all is probably going to get better. and it's also something where
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things like vaccine mandates can make a huge difference. so i mean, if you ask what is the policy for the economy over the next year, it's basically shots in arms, shots in arms, shots in arms. >> right. which that has those cascading effects. our top story tonight as you and viewers know, it's just a huge deal and you have to do the thought experiment to remember how it felt when people were so afraid when this first hit then think about the fact you've gotten to full vaccine availability for adults and now children, it's a huge development. >> i was going to say, even the things that don't seem to be most immediately related to the pandemic, part of the reason of the supply chain problems is that people can't have experiences. you can't go to the movies. the gym, so you bought stuff instead. people can't go to the gym so they buy a peloton. elite version, but there's a lot of stuff like that. that's why the ports are
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clogged. the ports are moving more stuff than ever before. the trouble is that because people are buying stuff because they can't consume services or they're afraid to consume services, that's why we're having these supply chain issues. so if we can get the pandemic but what i was going to ask is you wrote about the cowards and gops going on with the lies. cornell belcher said elections will be in peril in the next two elections. >> if you're not terrified or worried america three or four years from now will be noting like the country we grew up in, you're not paying attention. they're not all evil, crazy people but there is a lot of weak people that go with the crazy people because it's the path of least resistance.
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i'm not sure there are more crazy people than they used to be but enablers have taken over. >> yeah. you put it starkly and i hope people are listening. that's why we have you on. that was a very clear warning from someone who i know cares a lot. professor, thank you, as always. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. when we come back, what is giuliani hiding?
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an update on the on going probe with rudy giuliani. he's trying to request a block from trying to view two of 3,000 documents seized in the raids. he's claiming a type of attorney client privilege so we don't know what the documents are. 7 of the 16 have been searched. the remaining nine are under an on going review. giuliani insists he's innocent and has been attacking the kind of people he used to oversee and
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thanks for spending time with us on "the beat." the "reidout" starts now with tiffany cross. >> hi, i thought i'd get to see you this evening. we'll do it the next time i'm in new york. good evening, everybody. i'm in for joy reid tonight. there is no clear census who it is and what it was in the results of an election and that's why your timeline is dogged down with hot takes and a wakeup call about woke politics and who is to blame and why the pundits are throwing the panic room wide open for democrats. one way to take away is how the election, particularly the one in virginia was a referendum for the left's failure and rebuke from critical race

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