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special coverage of the governor's races in virginia and new jersey along with all of the other important elections tomorrow night including mayor of new york city and mayor of boston start right here at 5:00 p.m. eastern with nicolle wallace and steve kornacki, joy reid and rachel maddow will join the coverage before the polls close in virginia at 7:00 p.m. eastern. the voters will get the last word tomorrow night. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. good evening once again, day 286 of the biden administration, and the eve of a critical election day including the most closely watched contest in a state joe biden won easily in 2020. just hours from now, polls will open in the commonwealth of virginia where democrat terry mcauliffe, republican glenn youngkin are in a tight race for governor.
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here's how "the wall street journal" sums up the stakes. both parties are looking for signals about the broader political climate heading into next year's midterm elections. all eyes also on new jersey's race for governor. the incumbent, democrat phil murphy seeking a second term in a tough political climate. he is standing by to join us just ahead. the democratic party's leader is now at the global climate summit in scotland. president biden warned of the need to take action against climate change while reassuring world leaders that america is indeed ready to act. >> the science is clear. we only have a brief window left before us. this is a decisive decade in which we have an opportunity to prove ourselves. >> biden also referred to a legacy of his predecessor's administration. >> i do apologize for the fact that the united states, the last administration pulled out of the paris accords and puts behind the 8 ball.
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>> the president pointed to his economic plan as proof of this country's commitment to addressing the climate emergency. that plan would also expand social programs and democrats in congress had hoped to vote on both that proposal and the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill sometime this week. it's been a moving deadline. today those hopes ran into an all too familiar roadblock, perhaps you'll recognize this gentleman. >> well, how can i in good conscience vote for a bill that proposes massive expansion to social programs when vital programs like social security and medicare face insolvency. many of the details outline the basic framework released, what i see are shell games, budget gimmes that make the real cost of the so-called $1.75 trillion bill estimated to be almost twice that amount. >> also tonight, an explosive
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"washington post" report, an astounding book length piece of journalism in the sunday paper about the january 6th attack on the capitol. has uncovered new information that could potentially impact the house committee investigation into 1/6. among the many revelations, there was this concerning the former president and we quote, for 187 minutes trump resisted entreaties to intervene from advisers, allies and his elder daughter as well as lawmakers under attack. fast forward to today, and the former president's currently trying to keep lawmakers from getting their hands on any documents related to january 6th. this past weekend national archives indicated trump wants to shield over 770 pages of documents. access to that material will be the subject of a court hearing later this week. house investigators expected to subpoena john eastman, though we've said that before. he's the lawyer who was the reported architect of the scheme to overturn the election. we are also following the legal
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challenges to that near total ban on abortions in the state of texas. today the supreme court heard arguments concerning two such challenges from abortion providers in texas and from our own federal justice department. we'll have a full report on those legal arguments and how the justices responded later on in this broadcast. as the latest covid surge retreats here in the u.s., the cdc starts meeting tomorrow to talk about guidelines for giving the pfizer vaccine for starters to children ages 5 to 11. today the white house said it will be ready for the cdc's expected decision. >> we expect that several million doses are already en route to sites around the country. we are planning on some vaccinations towards the end of this week, but the program for kids ages 5 to 11 really hitting full strength the week of
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november 8th. >> we should also note white house press secretary jen psaki has tested positive for covid and is quarantining. she credits being vaccinated for the fact that she's having only mild symptoms. today the official number of covid cases in our country topped 36 million. it's now estimated this virus has taken over 5 million lives in under two years, but experts say the actual global death toll is likely much higher sadly. with that, let's bring in our starting line to start this new week on a monday night, philip rucker, pulitzer prize winning senior washington correspondent for "the washington post," co-author with carol len ig of the "new york times" best seller "i alone can fix it: donald j. trump's catastrophic final year" ashley parker also with "the washington post," and larry sabato who is the veteran director of the university of virginia's center for politics. that means he is considered the
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foremost expert on virginia electoral politics. good evening and welcome to you all. professor, i am duty bound to begin with you, as happy as we are to have you at this late how. i don't know how you have any words left. i've watched you on cable all day. "the washington post" puts this virginia election this way, biden's sinking popularity has emerged as a key factor making the state look once again more like a battleground than a democratic stronghold. interviews with nearly two dozen voters found a profound sense of frustration that people haven't seen benefits of democratic control trickle into their lives or their wallets. larry, do you buy into that, and can you blame any moderate virginia voters who may be on the fence who also turned into cable news today and saw how the democrats are behaving? >> i can't blame anybody.
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i try not to blame people, but certainly for their opinions. this has been a disaster for terry mcauliffe, a slowly unfolding disaster stretching over months. it's not just the president's falling ratings, though they're much lower than we ever expected they would be less than a year after he took office. i think far worse has been the inability of the democrats in both houses of congress to get their act together, to after nine months reach some kind of compromise, however inadequate it may be, and pass one or two, preferably both of the big bills they have before congress. why is it exactly that democratic voters want to turn out after it's been approximately a year, getting close to a year, and nothing's been delivered. this is true especially, i think, for minority voters, for black voters. i found it also to be true with
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young voters. the turnout among the young is going to be quite low and even lower than it usually is, and with blacks at least community leaders in many of the black communities say that there's been very little interest in this election. >> so larry, while i have you, you sense the youngkin surge, and do you credit his campaign with tapping into this kind of parents rights movement, which is trumpism adjacent? >> yeah, that's very important to stress. this is the direct connection to trump, and i think it's one of the reasons why he has been so relatively well-behaved toward youngkin. he certainly hasn't been well behaved in the statements that he's made about this campaign and usually isn't about anything. but the puzzle i think most of us have been trying to solve is how and why he has been able --
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youngkin has been able to keep trump on board making statement after statement positive, positive, positive, seven or eight of them now during the course of this campaign. for youngkin, and at the same time hearing youngkin say and hearing other people say that youngkin does not want him to come to the state and doesn't ever want to be pictured next to him. this is unusual behavior for donald trump. and maybe after the election we can find out what secret sauce youngkin can use, because no doubt a lot of republicans will want to buy some of that secret sauce. >> ashley parker, over to you. i think all of journalism paused to tip their hats to the staff of "the washington post" when the story dropped on the 1/6 red flags. it's kind of impossible to explain to a civilian audience just how much work goes into a piece of that length.
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again, a book length examination of it from start to finish. though some would argue the finish is a chapter yet to be written. explain to our audience, especially the people who have not had the time or inclination to read it as of yet, what we learned about the former president and what he was doing or more importantly not doing during the siege of the capitol. >> so just to give you a little more background before i get to that question is to give you a sense of the size and scope and how definitive we tried to be. this project was months of reporting with more than 25 reporters. it was more than 75 "washington post" journalists. we spoke with over 230 sources and looked at over thousands of documents, so these are findings, again, to put it in context, from that effort, and what we found is that for a --
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masterfully wrote in the section, we divided this interview before the january 6th attack, during and after, that for 187 minutes. that is from when then president trump orders his supporters to march on the capitol, his speech on january 6th down on the national mall to when he finally over three hours later, 187 minutes later, sends out a video finally telling them to go home. we document how he did nothing. that's not quite right because in not doing anything and not saying anything and not calling off his supporters, he was doing more damage than you could possibly imagine. during that period, that is when the police officer ends up dying, when another protester has a cardiac episode and dies, when ashli babbitt, the protester rake into the speaker's lobby and is shot and dies. when police officers are beaten with their own weapons, when lawmakers are fleeing and hiding
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and cowering and racing through the capitol while his own vice president, his own supporters are chanting to hang mike pence, and donald trump isi originally he is talking about the crowd size. he's boasting about the crowd size. he's talking about how the crowd could have been positioned ever. in that absence of action, he allowed so many devastating things to happenrucker, continu this vein, i want to play for you something we heard from a d.c. security official tonight named darnell harvin about the red flags. >> we started seeing a lot of concerning information surrounding the events that were planned. information from particular actors we hadn't seen before, specifically looking at ttps, tactics, techniques and procedures that included they would be intent on performing acts of violence, interpersonal
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violence and possibly smuggling weapons into districts. >> he was with the district of columbia department of homeland security. he speaks from experience. what were some of the other red flags that looking back on them are glaring now? >> brian, there were so many red flags. there was a wealth of chatter on social media sites and other online forums among trump supporters about gathering in washington on january 6th just as then president trump had urged them to do but importantly to do so armed, to bring their weapons, to prepare for violence. there were threats made against the lives of sitting members of congress, including senator mitt romney, the utah republican who was the chief foil to trump all of those years. there were other plots that intelligence officials were gathering or piecing together based on their review of this
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kind of cyber communication going on online. interestingly, our reporting found as president trump was contesting the election results and as he was taking to twitter and using the mega phone of his office to claim the election was rigged to tell people to show up in force on january 6th, that was a galvanizing effect on his supporters. it created more chatter online about coming to washington on the sixth, more chatter about being armed, about the violence, about the threats to lawmakers. so what happened in the run up to january 6th was not a failure of intelligence because our intelligence agencies, the fbi, they saw all of this, they detected all of this, they saw it bubbling up, but it was a failure to act and a failure to imagine that these threats could actually be real. and that the violence being talked about online could actually happen the day, the afternoon of the 6th at the capitol. >> professor, i have nowhere near your portfolio.
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i covered virginia politics a long time ago when the governors were named belisles and wilder, so a long time ago. guessing like most political types you have a favorite county, community, region or precinct of the commonwealth. give us a viewer's guide to election night, one that you're going to be watching tomorrow evening. >> well, brian, given the fact that youngkin is clearly very competitive, he'll either lose by a couple of points or win by a couple of points, he's going to be the one to show real progress compared to other candidates. loudoun county is a very big county, suburban county in northern virginia where the republicans have concentrated their fire and their cultural warrior issues during the
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campaign. if youngkin has really made a lot of progress while the democrats probably will still carry loudoun, if they don't carry it by a big margin it's indicative of other suburbs going in the other direction. to mention two others that i think are significant, the city of virginia beach, which is virginia's larger city, typically it has been more republican. in recent elections it split its vote close to 50/50. my suspicion is it's going to go fairly handily to youngkin. how handily, it really matters because youngkin has to make up ten points. biden won virginia by ten points, so he has to do a lot better than biden's opponent, president trump did in 2020. finally, i'll mention in the richmond area, chesterfield county. like virginia beach it's a giant suburban locality, a county instead of a city. it used to be 70% plus republican. now it can even go democratic by
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a few hundred votes. it usually goes republican, 51, 52%, but if youngkin is really running up the score there. again, it's an indicator of what may be happening in key suburban conservative localities throughout the state. >> thank you for that professor. ashley, as we continue to balance these two topics, back to you, and a question about that day, the 187 minutes you spoke of, does the -- did the atmosphere of daily chaos in that white house, in that west wing just further compound the chaos on this day when it really counted? >> well, in some ways as we report, there were so very few people left around president trump at that moment. part of the reason there were so few people left was because of that chaos you mentioned, but he was surrounded at this point by the most insular and loyal set
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of aides who were not the sorts of people who we might have seen earlier in the administration. for whatever the motivation, who would have served as guardrails. so there's very few people we report that, you know, his daughter ivanka, as she often likes to claim she does but in this case she was, she was coming in and out of the oval trying to finally get him to put out a statement to call off his supporters and just when they would think they would get the president's head space, then mark meadows would have to calm her back down. you had people trying to reach the presidents, former aides like kellyanne conway pleaded with him, but there were just so few people there. there were so few avenues in. there's not that many people in that inner circle, and at this point the president's behaviors are hardened. it may be shocking to realize as we reported in this piece and
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others reported previously that he was watching tv, taking it all in, talking about crowd surprise. proud of his supporters fighting for him. by four years into his presidency, that was simply how he behaved, and it should not have been that surprising on that day. >> phil rucker, current president is overseas talking to world leaders talking about the environment. back here at home, senator manchin is talking to cameras. is there any reporting on what may be a vote in either or both houses of congress? >> you know, brian, i'm not sure when exactly that vote is going to happen. what we heard from manchin today, there's much less certainty about a deal than there seemed to be late last week when president biden departed for his overseas trip. it seems like we're going to have several days worth at least of negotiating continuing in
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order to secure the vote of joe manchin who, of course, has been one of the two democratic holdouts for months now contributing, as larry sabato just pointed out earlier, to some of the drag that terry mcauliffe is facing in this virginia gubernatorial race. and so biden's overseas. he of course wanted to be at that climate summit with the deliverable, with an action item, with a bill that was going to be coming to his desk ready to sign. that is of course more complicated in reality tonight than he might have anticipated it would be when he set out on that trip. there is still some time and it of course seems likely that eventually the democrats can all get on the same page and at least get something into law. >> cannot thank these guests who make up our starting line enough for joining us on this critical monday night. philip rucker, ashley parker, larry sabato. our thanks for starting us off. coming up for us, the battle
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for the garden state, can democratic incumbent governor phil murphy of new jersey hold off the republican challenger. he is standing by to talk with us live. and later, if you feared we would go a whole day without comment for joe manchin. he spoke, muddied up. our two political guests may have some thoughts. all of it as "the 11th hour" is just getting underway on monday night in view of the sunset and the u.s. capitol. w of the sunse the u.s. capitol
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after nine days of early voting in new jersey, voters get one last chance when polls open just over six hours from now. new polling out today has incumbent governor phil murphy leading his republican challenger by eight percentage points. here's how "politico" sums up the score tonight, quote, for democrats the hope is that last year's suburban swing against trump extends to the gubernatorial race. republicans, meanwhile, are hoping biden's approval numbers will lure some voters back to the gop. back with us tonight, the incumbent democratic governor of the state of new jersey phil murphy, and just to note, we do extend ab invitation to the republican challenger, jack sit rel lee. let's talk about one of the political vagaries of my home state, new jersey has not
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awarded an incumbent democratic governor a second term in 44 years. can you break that trend? >> i sure hope so, brian, it's good to be back with you, coming at you from middletown by the way. i hope so, we're not taking anything for granted. we've been running like we're ten points behind from day one. we're continuing to do that. i just came from a big rally in south orange. i've got a full day tomorrow. brendan burn is the last democrat to win re-election 44 years ago. we're trying to break that tomorrow. >> terry mcauliffe has been quite candid with his frustration over so-called national democrats or washington democrats and you heard perhaps professor sabato talk about the lack of deliverable, even true blue democrats feel they haven't profited yet from democrats being in control of white house house, senate, are you feeling
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that kind of suppression? i mean, democrats in congress right now can't agree that it's monday. >> i'm not sure about suppression. i'm sure we're not immune to it, brian, but here's the more striking thing. there's a big debate in washington and congress about these bills, whether it's hard infrastructure or what i would refer to as human infrastructure, and it feels abstract to me. the fact of the matter is we're literally doing almost all of what they're debating in washington in new jersey already and it's working. we know it's working. so we're proving that this stuff, when you expand child care, pre-k, fully fund k through 12, make college more affordable, housing more affordable, aggressive climate clean energy agenda, that stuff works. and it's not abstract in engine. -- new jersey. we're living it.
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that's the thing that strikes me the most in the sense that that debate in washington feels distant from the reality where we know these programs work and make a difference in people's lives. >> your opponent, the republican business guy, a former state legislator has been going after you hard, a kind of carpet bombing campaign by television. the one spot running nonstop is some version of you saying to an audience, if taxes are your issue, we're not your state. what's your comeback to that? >> my comeback is first of all that comment was taken out of complete context. we inherited an affordability mess when i became governor four years ago, and my opponent was part of the reason. he rubber stamped chris christie's agenda. we've been digging out of this that. we were just ranked on saturday as the safest state to live in
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america. we're making an enormous amount of progress, public education, top handful of health systems in the united states. great quality of life and affordability. if you're a working family right now relative to the day i put my hand on the bible, you're paying less in income tax. you're paying less for health care, for college child care. we're making progress. >> are you surprised to the degree -- at the degree to which trumpism has been on the ballot along with the two of you? >> i am surprised, brian, and you know the state well. republicans over the course of history have won the governor's seat in new jersey. but they have tended to be reasonable, moderate republicans. one of my mentors, tom crane senior, christie todd whitman.
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i am surprised my opponent has gone deep right. he wants to loosen on gun laws. not going to protect women's health. stuff that a reasonable moderate republican in this state in the past would not have been in that position. he is deep in that right trump school to have thought and policies. >> in the waning minutes of election eve our thanks go to governor phil murphy of the state of new jersey on the eve of what will be a huge day for him, governor, thank you very much for finding the time to take our questions tonight. coming up for us, the other big governor's race we've been talking about tomorrow and what the outcome could indeed signal about 2022 and beyond. ab about 2022 and beyond. be there for life's best moments with coricidin.
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virginians pushing back on this culture, this culture that wants us to shelve hope, that tells our children they have to accept low standards. this culture that tells us that we, in fact, can't dream big dreams. no. this is a moment for virginians to push back on this last liberal progressive agenda and take our commonwealth back. >> what bothers me to my core is what this man is doing.
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he's dividing parents against parents. parents against school boards. he's using your children as political pawns in his campaign. it is a racist dog whistle. folks, we are better than that. we will not have that hatred here in the commonwealth of virginia. >> the candidates for virginia governor making a final push on election eve. this race between terry mcauliffe and glenn youngkin is seen as a referendum on the biden presidency and a harbinger of things to come. great to have back with us, jason johnson, professor of politics and journalism at morgan state. and michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee, former lieutenant governor of. great state of maryland. also happens to be the host of the michael steele podcast. what do you make of how these two candidates have run their campaigns?
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has mcauliffe committed any malpractice or has he just fallen victim to the current sway of things? >> i think less falling victim and more an overcalculation, maybe some would say miscalculation to nationalize this election in a way that you did not see in new jersey. you just spoke with the governor of new jersey, very different tone, very different context there around the issue that we're a little bit closer to home, and i think mcauliffe tried to do that, but then stepped on it with that education piece, if you will, when he made the statement in the debate about oh, i don't want parents -- parents shouldn't be involved in what's going on in their kids' education. now, context is everything, but voters didn't hear context. what they heard were the words and their response to it was almost immediate, and he
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couldn't clean it up. that's the more telling thing. youngkin very carefully and successfully navigated off of that national dialogue in such a way that he turned and made it local. he made it personal. he made it about the school board, about parents and their kids and that's why that momentum has shifted and why you see youngkin in the position he is in right now. >> so jason, let's talk a little modern era political science. i happened upon a photo this evening of three democratic presidential candidates haing a chat at the environmental summit in scotland. two of the men in this picture were failed democratic presidential candidates. one was victorious, but think about it, true blue democrats would say the guy in the center of the picture lost to the u.s. supreme court. they would say the guy on the
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right lost to the first major public case of disinformation in the modern era, could not believe he was being taken down by it and didn't effectively fight back. the guy on the far left, the only one of the three to get elected president as a democrat is just hanging on. down 11 points popularity. his democratic candidate for g of virginia has blown a five-point lead in 30 days. so you put all that together, jason, is this the republicans' best chance to win in the commonwealth of virginia? >> yeah, this is pretty much it, brian, because they're still operating off of poll census information. when the new numbers come out, it's going to be even harder for republicans to win local and statewide in the state of
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virginia. youngkin is riding a wave of being an individually rich guy and still being able to hide the overracism of these education issues to make himself competitive in this race. joe biden has accomplished things, right? he got the vaccine rollout. he passed massive bills to secure people's employment and funding and everything else like that. he ended the war in afghanistan. that was just about two months ago. the problem is joe biden has not been as aggressive on the things that the public cares about. the democrats who voted him into office, he hasn't been as aggressive on police reform. he appears to be letting joe manchin and kyrsten sinema run the whole country. that is where people are frustrated. it's a year ago tomorrow that the guy beat donald trump. i mean, he dropped 11 points in a couple of years.
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it sort of drags down every other democrat running across the country right now because when they look to their leader in the white house, he doesn't seem to be handling things as aggressively. >> if congress had passed both bills, if they were signed, done and dusted and people started feeling deliverables would this race be different. if donald trump had come to richmond or virginia beach or fairfax county and done his usual two-hour outdoor riff on behalf of the candidate, would this race be different now? yes to both of those. that was kind of the environment mr. mcauliffe was hoping for to be honest. he was hoping that the democrats in the house and senate would get at least one of these legislative packages done, particularly the one where you had 19 republicans sign off on
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the roads and bridges infrastructure bill and the fact that they could not do that created the drag and then on the other side there were hopes and prayers and all kinds of efforts made to sort of encourage trump to get into the race, if you will, but trump showed an incredible amount of resistance to that, and i think a lot of folks would like to know what the secret sauce was on that. i think the good professor from virginia laid that out in the earlier segment, and there's truth to that. it is amazing discipline that trump did not inject himself but here's the rub. come wednesday morning he will, and when he does, he will take credit for this, for youngkin's victory in a very big way which still doesn't solve the longer term problem republicans will have going into next year that trump will again misread the fact that he was not in the race and he was issued the heisman,
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right, by youngkin to just kind of stay away, that that was the crux of the win, not anything that he did or said by his two or three endorsements. >> both of these gentlemen thankfully will stay with us. i'm going to fit a break in. coming up, the democratic senator from west virginia has a message for house democrats as he grabs the opportunity to throw another wrench into his party's spending plans. w anothe party's spending plans that was quick. and rewarding. i earn 3% cash back at drugstores with chase freedom unlimited. that means i earn on my bug spray and my sunscreen. you ready to go fishing? i got the bait.
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i'll be eating salmon sushi with a japanese jiggly cheesecake. (doorbell rings) jolly good. fire. (horse neighing) elton: nas? yeah? spare a pound? what? you know, bones, shillings, lolly? lolly? bangers and mash? i'm... i'm sorry? i don't have any money. you don't look broke. elton: my rocket is skint! for the sake of the country, the house to vote and pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill. holding this bill hostage is not going to work in getting my support for reconciliation bill. >> the daily televised agonizing of senator joe manchin, the monday edition where he casts fresh doubt on the future of the president's economic agenda, but the liberal democrats over in the house are sounding
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optimistic tonight. >> i just have to believe what the president says. and the president said right after the senator spoke he is confident he can deliver 51 votes for this plan. i am going to trust the president. our members are going to trust the president, and we are going to do the job we need to do which is pass those bills through the house, and whatever senator manchin feels is up to him. >> luckily for our guest, jason johnson and michael steele remain. jason, i'm kind of surprised knowing your love for manchin that you don't have more manchin swag behind you. absent that, a question i have nevada asked you directly and forthrightly, what's his game, do you think? >> it's changed, brian, my initial assumption is that a lot of his resistance is so that he can have sort of a john mccain moment, that he will be able to come forward and he will be the
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reason that build back better or he will be the reason that voting rights or he will be the reason that some really key piece of legislation gets passed. he doesn't really have much of a political future in west virginia. he doesn't have a national future. i figured this was about prestige and legacy. the way in which he has dragged things out and his sort of waffling back and forth, i don't really know what his game plan is. what i've seen now and what we've seen today, he's pretty much gotten on build back better exactly what he told chuck schumer he would be happy with months ago. he's got the bill he wants, but he still seems to want the progressive caucus in the house to vote for infrastructure even though they have no reason to trust him. that's what's strange. i don't understand why a politician with as much experience that joe manchin has seems to be this dense when it comes to national issues. when you claim i want a job requirement for paid leave, obviously you would have to have
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a job requirement for paid leave. i think he's got a lot more in kmoen with kyrsten sinema. >> michael steele, he's -- in my view he's just a boy from west virginia standing in front of a nation asking them to love him. do you think he's still a net positive to the democratic party or should they take the bull by the horns, make some news and take him across the aisle to his buddy mitch mcconnell? michael, you're muted. i was going to say, brian, i love you, man, you just get me in that right moment. so can we just -- break this down, joe manchin does not want to vote for a progressive legislative package, period. you can rework this and dress it up and dance around as much as
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you want. that's to professor johnson's point the rub. that's at the end of the day where this is, and so it doesn't matter how you reconfigure the pieces on this particular chess board. you're going to wind up playing into the same corner because he's not giving his constituencies back home, given everything jason just said about current and future endeavors, et cetera, there's no incentive for him to do so, and therefore he wasn't. i think a lot of it is fundamental to him. he is a conservative west virginian -- west virginia senator. so i don't think -- i think the strategy now is play this thing out because democrats have to ask themselves one question. what do you plan to do come this wednesday morning when you've lost the state of virginia, and what are you going to do on the first wednesday of november 2022 when you watch nancy pelosi
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begin the process of turning over the gavel and mitch mcconnell possibly assuming the -- you know, the control that his defacto had in the senate in january of 2023. >> boy, you ask good questions. ladies and gentlemen, the profession and the chairman, jason johnson, michael steele. our thanks as always. two friends of the show, we'll do this again. coming up, what we heard from inside the supreme court today as justices heard arguments on that texas abortion law. s on that texas abortion law. a little extra. worth is knowing it's never too late to start - or too early. ♪ ♪ wealth helps you retire. worth is knowing why. ♪ ♪ principal. for all it's worth. riders, the lone wolves of the great highway.
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as we mentioned, the supreme court will soon decide whether the texas law banning abortions after six weeks can stand or can it be challenged in federal court? our report tonight from our nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. >> opponents of abortion rallied
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outside the supreme court in support of sb 8, the texas raw that bans abortion after doctors can detect a fetal heartbeat. that's about six weeks of pregnancy before most women know they're pregnant. >> there is no question that a heartbeat signifies life, and that that beating heart in a womb is the life of a human child. >> the supreme court has long said state officials cannot ban abortion that early in pregnancy, so the texas legislator handed off abortion to private individuals allowing anyone who performs an abortion. the state said abortion providers should have to wait until they're sued before challenging the law. texas ran into a wave of skepticism from even some of the court's conservatives including amy coney barrett and brett kavanaugh. justice barrett said she doubted that making the challengers wait
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to be sued would give them a fair shot at defending their rights. >> i'm wondering if in a defensive posture in state court, the constitutional defense can be fully aired. >> to limit a host of constitutional rights. >> we would be like open for business. there's nothing the supreme court can do about it. guns, same-sex marriage, religious rights, whatever you don't like, go ahead. >> justice kavanaugh said a state could allow private lawsuits against the guns it wanted to ban. >> everyone who sells an ar-15 is liable for a million dollars to any citizen. >> today's case was not about abortion itself. the court will take that up a month from today when it hears mississippi's challenge to roe v. wade. >> our thanks to pete williams for that. coming up, police officers compelled to get the vaccine, some would rather walk off the job instead, even though they compel us to do any number of things. y compel us to do any number of things ard to contain yourself isn't it? uh- huh! well let it go! woooo!
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last thing before we go tonight, 9,000 new york city municipal employees are on unpaid leave tonight, many of them stayed home, part of a massive sickout. it's all because of vaccine mandates. they reportedly include several thousand fdny firefighters, department of sanitation employees, and a couple dozen members of the nypd who refused to comply with the mandate, and it occurred to our friends over at the daily show when the shoe was on the other foot, when police needed the citizens to comply with their orders during our summer of public protest, while the subject wasn't vaccine, the folks on fox news ordered us all to comply. >> the nypd marching against vaccine mandates today in new york city. >> protesters chanting do not comply during the demonstration. >> don't fight, don't resist. >> comply with lawful orders and you will not die. >> you should comply.
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>> comply with the commands. >> let it go. >> comply. we have this entire new generation that doesn't want to comply with lawful order. >> do not resist. don't resist. >> listen, comply. do what they say. >> comply. you should say yes, officer, we just wanted to be in compliance. our friends over at the daily show, with trevor noah to take us off the air tonight. and that is our broadcast for this monday night as we start a new week with our thanks for being here with us, on behalf of all our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, goodnight. thanks for joining us this hour, it's good to have you here. tomorrow night we are going to be doing a full blown election coverage for the elections that are happening tomorrow, in

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