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haven't heard about the folks who have been on the front lines of the covid economy from the start and who are facing the highest stakes and toughest choices. velshi starts now. good morning, happy halloween. we are awaiting expected results from joe biden at the g20. biden will appear with the eu commission president. we'll have those remarks live when they happen. meanwhile, a vote for joe biden's massive and ambitious and quite possibly transformational agenda has now been tentatively scheduled for tuesday. house speaker nancy pelosi has directed members of her party to finish writing the build back better plan live today so it can be sent to the rules committee for approval tomorrow and be ready to be voted on alongside
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the infrastructure bill on tuesday. president biden has expressed confidence and other democrats are starting to see the light as well. nbc news reports house progressives and the moderate new democratic progression are on target with the bills. however, some democratic officials are negotiating hoping to salvage the change. as of yesterday new york senator kyrsten gillibrand and others haven't given up all hope on paid family leave. the bill is being finalized amid the back drop of the wide ranging january 6th investigation. 650 people have now been charged with breaching the capitol on that day and at least one of them is actually now cooperating with the select committee that
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is tasked with ininvestigating the january 6th insurrection. one person who is not cooperating is the famouslily continuing gous twice impeached former president and his team are headed back to court this week. it's a setting with which they are very familiar for a hearing on their request to block 750 pages of documents from being shared with the january 6th committee. those documents include call logs, handwritten memos, speech drafts and files that were created by some of his top aides. more subpoenas are expected in the coming days for trump associates as well, including john eastman. eastman has emerged as a high priority figure in this investigation. eastman wrote the memo that outlined a way for then vice president mike pence to overturn the electoral college results, then he tried to pin the violence of january 6th on pence's inaction while the vice
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president was hiding from the mob inside the capitol according to the washington post. this past week a capitol police officer resigned from the force after he was charged with obstruction of justice for warning an alleged rioter to delete incriminating social media posts. a new report highlights how the capitol police failed to prepare properly for january 6th. politico recently obtained an unpublished police memo from january 5th, the day before, about the planning for the following day for the stop the steal rally. the planning was shortsighted to put it mildly. the document opens with what now seems like a deeply misguided threat analysis. at this time there are no specific known threats related to the joint session of congress electoral college vote certification. i'm joined now by one of the report injuries who wrote that story, betsy woodruff swan. she's a national correspondent.
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betsy, good morning to you. let's start there. you obtained the internal capitol police memo from the day before the insurrection the day before there were no specific known threats. what information did they use to compile that? >> yeah. it was a strange document. they don't really go into why they thought these threats didn't exist. it's also an internally contradictory document because later on in that same piece it talked about how there could potentially be threats to particular locations in the capitol and it talked about plans to put more police officers armed with less than lethal weaponry at specific locations around the capitol building, including the inaugural platform. what's really, really strange about this is capitol police first said there were no known threats. later in this planning document indicated they believed there were threats. correctly predicted some of the locations around the capitol building that could be attacked -- that could be attacked violently, that were
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attacked violently, but -- and this is the key problem, capitol police dramatically underestimated the threat that the ultra far right trump supporters posed. they knew they posed some sort of threat because they had inn slightly increased security, but they underestimated just how violent and just how dangerous that threat could be. that's an under estimation with horrible consequences for public safety that exists not just in capitol police but it's a bias that exists among law enforcement around the country, this consistent failure to acknowledge just how dangerous the violent far right and violent white supremacists can be. >> it's a bias there and something preyed upon by conspiracy theorists. the bigger threat was to come from counter protesters, antifa. it sheds new light on how capitol police geared up for the protests detailing the force's
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concerns about counter protesters which turned out to be unwarranted. it shows in some ways the department was prescient about the violence but didn't employ enough defenses to counter the riots. is this realized as a problem, that the narrative about counter protestors actually fell into place for the planning for this violence. in other words, they had resources, people to fight it but they weren't sure where the violence was likely to come from? >> yeah. the argument the capitol police makes is that there are frequently some level of clashes between protesters and counter protestors in rallies that happened prior to january 6th. what that misses is this document emphasizes elaborate, in some cases, you know, well staged plans to try to prevent counter protestors while at the same time not giving nearly the same level of detail in this particular document to try to protect the capitol from the protesters themselves.
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what happened was protesters clashed with capitol police themselves. that incorrect emphasis caused the problem. >> let's talk about the documents the trump world is trying to get stopped from being submitted to the january 6th committee. politico reporting on this says according to the national archives, the former president has sought to block about 750 pages of nearly 1600 identified by officials as relevant to the january 6th investigation. among them are hundreds of pages from multiple talking points and statements related to the 2020 election. what do we know about this? people requesting them must know what the documents are, otherwise they couldn't request them. the trump administration is trying to stop them from being seen at all or as evidence.
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>> the trump administration is trying to keep these within the national archives and unavailable to the public as long as possible. that's what the lawsuit intends to do. it's trying to invalidate the subpoenas that the january 6th select committee has requested. call logs in and out of the white house, we'd know who spoke through those phone lines to the president and vice president. notes for a speech that trump fleepd appears not to have delivered on january 6th that would have potentially addressed the violence which he left unaddressed for hours as well as all sorts of other communications. the subpoena that they issued was broad and vague. we want anything related to and it takes off names and topics. the select committee has not yet seen the documents. they know the document that fit
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the description exists, but they don't know these are the specific materials that are out there that would be gettable for them. what's a big deal about this court filing is justice department lawyers speaking on behalf of the national archives are saying, hey, here's why the select committee needs these documents. it's because it's this document, that document, another document all really interesting stuff, all really relevant to what the committee is working on. doj is just saying, look, here's what we've got. select committee, here's what you might be getting. that's how doj is making the argument that the federal judiciary needs to disregard the case for executive privilege trump is making and green light sending these documents over to congress. congress hasn't seen these documents and that's why this lawsuit is important. >> i'm always smarter for listening to you. thank you. betsy woodruff swan is a national correspondent at politico and an msnbc contributor. joining us is debby dingle.
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congresswoman, good morning to you. thank you for joining us today. i want to continue a bit of this discussion. there's reporting out there that nbc has not been able to verify or confirm the voracity of that some of your colleagues, members of congress were in on the planning of january 6th. some of this we've heard before, some of it we know is real but there's new reporting about how far that went. this has got to be deeply troubling to you and your colleagues who really came close to a brush with death on january 6th. >> ali, good morning. happy halloween. >> good morning. >> it's deeply troubling. even as i listen to betsy talk about this, i don't know how we so underestimated the power of what some of these militia groups can do. if you've been in the donald trump hate tunnel, which i unfortunately have been, i have seen these men outside of my own
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home with assault weapons. the same people that threatened to kidnap governor whitmer have made online threats towards me, a very terrifying amount. we really did under estimate that day what was going to happen, and i look forward to january 5th. at the capitol there was a group of people wearing red hats, no mask. at that point i was focused on no masks. there was a member with them. i went over to the policeman and said, why don't they have to wear masks? what are we doing with visitors in this capitol? he said, we can't tell a member of congress they can't bring members in. well, i went over and yelled at the group because they weren't wearing masks and the officer thanked me, we can't tell people to put masks on. clearly, what happened on tuesday shook the very foundation for our democracy. i hope that people who are listening understand that there are people that are trying to undermine the confidence people
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have in our democracy and that trust in government is the most important trust to keep our democracy strong and it's in danger. >> the issue is people watching the show probably are listening to that and probably get that. the issue as you have seen in your own state of michigan is the people who aren't who continue to fall prey to those conspiracy theorists and those lies about the stolen election and undermining of democracy. i'm not sure how we fix that. what do you do with it then? >> i'm trying to figure that out. quite frankly, even the january 6th commission if they get to the bottom and the truth, i'm not sure there are people in this country that are going to believe that. i tell the story of being in belleville, michigan, which i love. it's a great city. two union guys came up to me and asked if they could talk to me. we had a great conversation for
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15 minutes, talked about all kinds of issues. at the end of it, they said, we still think donald trump won the election. that's what we are dealing with. people don't have confidence in election results. they don't have confidence in what happened. i mean, look, we have people on the extreme right, extreme left. i'm not saying there aren't people. people's distrust of the information that they are being given, they don't know what the facts are. we have to figure out how we connect with people and rebuild that trust that is so critical. i think it's a real challenge and it scares me. >> let's talk a little bit about the other main story we've got and that is nancy pelosi has asked you folks in the democratic party to come up with some deal by tonight, get it to the rules committee by tomorrow, vote on it by tuesday night. tell me how that process is going. it does seem like everybody we have talked to agrees that is the time line. some people are still know
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negotiating. >> look, we have to get this done this week. is it a perfect bill? no. no bill is ever perfect, but i have been talking to people. i've been talking to democrats. democrats are united in the values and reunited in getting this done. i'm happy to see people are negotiating for paid family leave and senator manchin and sinema. i wish them luck. i don't know they will be successful, but we do need to -- it is time to bring this home. what we've got to look at is how much we are getting done. we need both of these bills for fixing our roads and our bridges but getting lead out of pipes that our children are drinking, i get tired of it. every time i hear media, i hear them say it on your station and other cable stations, we didn't
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get what we needed on global climate. all are saying this is a good deal. look at what president biden did in august, which is singly the biggest thing that happened which is to get a goal of 50% electric vehicles by the year 2030 which will reduce emissions in automobiles 60% over what it is today. that is more than any other country is doing. there are major things happening. we've made a lot of progress. there are things i'm disappointed in, but these are the most life impacting from universal care, long-term care, electric targets built out, affordable care, hearing aids. first bill i introduced was to get hearing aids covered when i get elected. you get up the next day and you keep fighting and the other things we need to change. >> as a person who is often critical of not enough being done on climate, it is worth always discussing with you because you represent a district that has a lot of auto making.
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this is less than 5% of the world's population, 20% of the world's oil consumption largely because of how much we drive. this is probably one of the biggest things we can do. good to see you again this morning. thank you, congresswoman. debbie dingell. ayanna pressley will be in and tell us how to get the transformational change. >> the latest nbc news polling is out. it has disconcerting data from democrats and the president. we head across the pond to glasgow, scotland. you are watching velshi. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪
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downstairs. right now i'm here with european commission vanderline who has been a great partner. we have reached a major break through that will address the existential threat of climate change while also protecting american jobs and american industry. together the united states and the european union are ushering in a new era of trans atlantic cooperation that's going to benefit all of our people, both now and i believe in the years to come. it's a testament to the power of our strong partnership and to what the united states can accomplish by working together with our friends. here's what this deal does. it immediately removes tariffs on the european union on a range of u.s. products and lowers costs to american consumers. it ensures strong, competitive u.s. steel industry for decades to come and creates good paying
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union jobs at home and, and demonstrates how by harnessing our diplomatic and economic power we can reject the false idea that we can't grow our economy and support american workers while tackling the climate crisis. we can do all three of those things. we can and we must do both. i would argue, i've said before that when i think climate, i think jobs. i think of good paying jobs around the world. you know, i think it's possible for us to do both, as i said, and the workers are an essential part of this solution. on our close partnership and shared values, the united states and european union have committed to have a carbon based arrangement on steel and aluminum trade. these arrangements will, one,
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lift up u.s. aluminum and steel, which is among the greatest steel in the world. that's somewhat prejudice on my behalf. incentive advise emission reductions in one of the most carbon rich sectors of the economy, restrict access to our markets for dirty steel from countries like china and counter countries that dump steel on our markets, hammering our workers and harming them badly harming our industry and environment. today is the testament to the power of american diplomacy and development to develop tangible developments for the american workers and middle class families. i thank gina ramundo, secretary, and ambassador katheryn thai for their leadership to get this done but they had a first-rate person to work with to get it done. and i want to thank the european
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commission president and her team and her partnership. she's been straightforward from the very beginning. has worked to come up with a creative solution that benefits all of our people. over the past nine months the united states and the european union have come together to take on major global challenges by looking to all that unites us in the shared interest we have both in europe and the united states. we resolve the 17-year boeing airbus dispute and are close partners to address covid-19 and combat climate change. as we move forward, we're going to continue together to update the rules of the road and the 21st century economy and prove to the world that democracies, democracies are taking on hard problems, delivering sound solutions and the european union and the united states will continue to be the closeness of friends and partners as we work together to solve 21st century
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challenges. so i thank you again, president vanderline and i will turn the podium over to you. thank you. >> thank you, very much, mr. president. joe, thank you very much. and i am also very pleased to announce that, mr. president, you and i, we have today agreed to suspend the tariffs on steel and aluminum and to start the work on the new global sustainable steel arrangement. and this marks a milestone in the renewed eu/us partnership, and it is our global first in the efforts to achieve the decarbonization of the global steel production and trade. it is a big step forward in fighting climate change. the arrangement is, of course, open to all like-minded
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partners. steel manufacturing is one of the highest carbon emission sources globally and for steel consumption and trade to be sustainable, we must address the carbon intensity of the industry. we must also address problems of overcapacity and this is what the global sustainable steel arrangement is all about. we will work together with the united states to ensure the long-term viability of our industry and to encourage the production and tried of low carbon steel. this new global initiative will add a new powerful tool in our quest for sustainability. it will be a major step forward in achieving climate neutrality and it will ensure a level playing field for our industries. it is yet another key initiative for our renewed forward looking
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trans atlantic agenda with the united states. since the beginning of the year, as you said, mr. president, joe, we have restored trust and communication. we put to rest our disputes on aircraft subsidies. we set up our trade and technology council. we created a vaccine partnership. we reached an agreement on global minimum tax and now we have found a solution on eu/us steel and aluminum trade. i thank you, mr. president, dear joe, for your announcement that the united states will remove u.s. tariffs on eu steel and aluminum up to previous trade levels. this will alleviate a major part of the existing trade irritance. it will allow trade between us
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to come back to the levels recorded before these tariffs were put in place. following this u.s. decision i am pleased to announce that the commission will also propose to suspend the tariffs that we had introduced. i am also pleased to join president biden in announcing the pausing of our dispute on this issue in the world trade organization and as you did, mr. president, dear joe, i would like to thank secretary of commerce gina ramundo, katheryn thai and executive vice president for their and their team's tireless efforts in the past months. this is he a major step forward. many thanks to that. looking forward to working more on that. >> thank you. thank you, folks. >> thank you so much.
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>> all right. that is the president of the united states and the president of the european commission in rome. the president is off to glasgow for the cop26 conference after this. i want to go to mike memoli who has been following the president. mike is in rome as well. this is an interesting thing. people remember back to the fact that there's been an issue with steel imports into the united states. donald trump imposed tariffs on imported steel which a lot of steel workers in america really like, particularly in those states like pennsylvania which had a lot of steel workers, but he did it in places people didn't expect. he imposed tariffs on the european union and canada. it really set the tone for what the trump administration's relationships -- trade relationships with the rest of the world would be. this is joe biden undoing that. >> that's exactly right, ali. this was a significant event in that we saw the president using a very specific trade dispute, the easing of these tariffs on european steel and aluminum, and
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in return the opening back to the u.s. market for bourbon and motorcycles to be shipped to europe. he used this issue to make a broader point about the repairing of the u.s./european relationships. it's no secret this trip is very different than the first trip president biden made overseas. then it was pushing an open door. world leaders were so excited, frankly, you could see it on their faces to be welcoming a u.s. president that wasn't donald trump. it's no secret the reception has been cooler. we saw that in the meeting with french president emmanuel macron in which he said declarations are one thing but proof is better as it relates to trust. residual show of what the upset relationships over the u.k., australia submarine deal involving the u.s. as well. but this was the president standing side by side with the e.u. commissioner who on her
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part laid out a long laundry list in the ways in which the u.s. and europe has been able to come back together on the same page on a number of issues. she mentioned boeing versus airbus. she mentioned the global minimum tax which the biden administration considers to be a huge win and so for a trip that came in with us all discussing sort of the increased skepticism of european leaders towards president biden, this was an opportunity for the president to really showcase u.s. diplomacy, multi-lateral diplomacy as achieving real successes for the u.s. and especially so as it relates to an unexpected issue when it comes to aluminum or tariffs. he talked about climate and china. the fact that china's steel and aluminum are less carbon friendly. you saw the u.s. and union entering into a broader way. >> i've never really heard world
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leaders discussing low carbon steel the way they did, but china was always the issue with steel, which is what people thought trump was going to do. suddenly he opened this front with the rest of the world. mike, good to see you as always. mike membermemoli in rome. the 26th annual united nations climate change conference which is known as cop26. molly hunter is in glasgow. molly, clearly they were setting things up for the fact that climate comes into every discussion now, but what is actually on this agenda and what is -- what's the hope of what's going to get done at cop26? >> reporter: yeah, ali, that's right. today is procedural openings. you hear them already talking about climate, of course, in rome. you heard multiple g20 leaders go heavy on climate.
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the real work begins tomorrow. president biden travels here tomorrow. speaks tomorrow. there will be a lot of parsing of his language. people looking for clues whether the u.s. can be trusted on climate and whether they will follow through. it's been six years since paris. paris was the first cop that obligated the signatories to go back and come up with more ambitious plans. they have come back to glasgow with those plans. the problem is that all of the plans fell short. all of the plans put together, nearly 200 countries including the u.s., represent about a 1% emissions cut. scientists say they need closer to a 7% cut of emissions every single year for the next decade. now the u.s., president biden has laid out an ambitious plans that would have emissions by 2030 to reach the net zero goal. a couple of problems, mike memoli mentioned, biden can't do
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t john kerry can't sell it if they can't get that wide reaching climate bill through. across the u.s., papers mention joe manchin. >> there's a lot in there. the ambitious climate agenda of joe biden's has been cut in this bill that has yet to be passed. major, major issue. the world is still growing. using more energy on a daily basis than we would have a year before. cutting emissions in a world consuming more energy is what the big challenge is. thank you, my friend. nbc foreign correspondent molly hunter in glasgow. we're right around 24 hours away from the supreme court of the united states taking up the texas abortion ban. it's just a preview of what's to come later.
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something important is going to happen tomorrow morning. the supreme court is going to take up challenges to the near abortion bill in the country. they expedited hearings and added it to their schedule nine days ago which is a rare move that signals the urge against si of the situation. there are two challenges to the texas law that the court is going to hear tomorrow. the first is whole woman's health versus jackson. it's a lawsuit that's filed by abortion providers in texas which challenges the state's tactic of evading judicial review bypassing off enforcement of the law to the general public. some have called it the vigilante provision of the law. the other case is united states versus texas. it was filed by president biden's justice department. the big question is the federal government doesn't have the right to intervene to block the ban. the underlying issue in both lawsuits is specific to the way in which the texas law is
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written. it's not about abortion, it's about the law and the way it's written. the supreme court has previously said about this bill, quote, it presents complex and novel procedural questions. mondays cases will not directly address the constitution at of abortion but in a difficult year for abortion rights, tomorrow's hearings may offer a preview of an even bigger abortion case out of mississippi that explicitly asks the court to reconsider the precedent set by roe versus wade. that case is set for december 1st. in the meantime, the near total abortion ban remains in effect for texas. joining me is kimberly atkins storr. thank you for being with us. when this first went to the court they didn't do it on the
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merits of the case, they did it about procedure, vigilante stuff. what happens this week that's different from last time? >> well, this time, unlike before when you had that ruling you referred to in which they allowed this to go into case, even though some justices expressed skepticism. that was done in the shadow docket. it's an emergency order that goes up to the court often before a law goes into effect saying, hey, we think there's a problem here. can you intervene? can you put it on hold until it can work its way up through the court and the court declined to do that, allowed it to go into place. it received a lot of criticism from that and it seems one reason the court has expedited this up to a full argument on the merits, which is what's happening tomorrow. it's due to that criticism that a law, as you said, the most restrictive abortion decision could be allowed to go into effect based on a late night order by the u.s. supreme court
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without fully being argued and fully being vetted. at least tomorrow we'll get the arguments on that procedural issue you laid out. >> none of this deals with abortion just yet. will the mississippi case being heard on december 1st, are we now going to be discussing or will the supreme court then be examining whether or not the protections afforded by roe v. wade with respect to abortion can stand? >> yes. so that's the big key, right? what's the future of roe v. wade. the way that this texas law was set up is basically assuming that the u.s. supreme court is going to strike down that roe v. wade precedent to allow bans like this on the substance as early as six weeks to go into effect. and that is where we are with that mississippi case. mississippi case involves -- it's a little bit different. it involves a 15-week ban. the supreme court has some choices. it can take that up and decide
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it will overturn roe v. wade. we're not going to overturn it, we're going to say we think this law fits within that. so that creates more of a problem in this texas case because we really don't know where the parameters are. if they let the law continue to be in place in texas and say that there is no way to enforce it. so it's a really complicated legal mess but it was crafted that way purposefully by these texas lawmakers who knew that this is the way to make it as difficult as possible for courts, even the u.s. supreme court, to be able to come in and do something to try to stop the law. >> right. it's sort of fundamental jurisprudence. the idea that the law has to struggle with this. chief justice john roberts when that came into place said -- he said the statutory scheme before the court is not only unusual but unprecedented. the legislature, meaning the texas legislature, has imposed a
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prohibition on abortions after six weeks and delegated the prohibition to the pop pew lass at large. how do you square the concerns about the so-called regulatory scheme with the fact that there are conservatives that may be in favor of an abortion ban? >> ali, you have put your finger on the big point there. on the one hand, yes. we have a conservative majority, many of whom including john roberts himself having expressed skepticism at roe versus wade. on the other hand, you have state lawmakers here that are really trying to circumvent the judiciary. something that the judiciary does not like one bit. so will we have -- there is a potential that the supreme court justices may rule in a way that
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even though they may not agree with the roe v. wade, they're not going to like the way texas did this and they can strike that part of it down in an effort to prevent other states from following this same approach, but we don't know. it very well could be that the supreme court expresses displeasure at the way they do it but allow this opportunity be one that they do and overturn roe v. wade if that comes up. there are so many possibilities here. starting tomorrow we'll have to watch this all carefully. >> we'll all have to be court watchers. thank you. kimberly atkins stohr. the history of immigration in this country is complex. we'll discuss policies created to ensure that american texture was preserved. and the hero searches for hope.
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give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. i lift my lamp beside the golden door. these words inscribed at the base of the statue of liberty. these words are about immigration. a beacon of freedom to a world whose people america desperately needed. millions of people crossed oceans, first forcibly, then voluntarily, to make this country into the great world
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power that it would become. it's possible your grandparents or not too distant ancestors made that journey. you might find your family name in the archives at ellis island if you're white. the early ships of voluntary migrants to the united states did not look like me. they were basically different shades of white sharing a different attempt to build a new life. the history of america welcoming immigrants is a little more complex than the fairly straightforward inscription on the statue of liberty. from the start there have been laws in place that at best have heavily favored white immigrants and at worst have barred immigrants of color. in a "new york times" op ed by reese jones, from the chinese exclusion act to the muslim ban, this has been a mechanism for a fleeting vision of a white country. consider the naturalization act of 1790 which restricted
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citizenship to, quote, any alien being a free white person. in the early 1800s with new migration roots came new racism towards chinese migrants passing the chinese exclusion act of 1882 barring all chinese immigrants. something called the gentleman's agreement with japan in 1907 limited the entry of japanese immigrants. things only started to get marginally better during the civil rights era when national origin quotas were abolished. even supporters of that change like ed kennedy said, don't worry, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset. fast forward to our continuing failure to see migrants at the southern border as humans were striving for a better life. throughout history america's leaders knew this nation desperately needed immigrants yet enacted policies that they
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often admitted were intended to preserve the texture, color and culture. the american fabric was to many in power a blanket woven together with 50 shades of white. ultimately those laws didn't work despite being actively hostile to different groups of people across time, america is now home to more immigrants than any other nation, black, white, hispanic, lan at this time ex, chinese, japanese, middle eastern. all the colors of the proverbial rainbow. america has the largest population of a given nationality outside of that country's country of origin. and it's the place to migrate. as an immigrant i understand that. as an american i welcome that because ultimately unlike european countries whose languages and culture are rooted in race, the united states is built to absorb, adapt, bob, weave with cultural change. we haven't gotten it completely right.
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as you've heard and have obviously felt, inflation is squeezing the middle class, the working class, but especially the poor. take a look at these numbers. if you're buying in bulk, a big case of peanut butter costs $13 to $14. well, it costs $16 to $19 now, it was $13 to $14 before the pandemic. a case of green beans went for $9, it now goes for $14. according to the usda, a gallon of milk was $3.32 before 2021, it's $3.69 now, and a gallon of gas was $2.37, and it's now
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$3.28. this is the effect of inflation. the "new york times" says things are up 5.4%. milk, meat, poultry and fish are up 15%. right now in america, about 10.5% of u.s. households are food insecure. that amounts to about 13.5 million people. you can see inflation is hitting hard even for those trying to help the poor. joining me now is john elliott. he's the ceo of gleaners food bank in l.a. this is a different look at
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inflation. you're worried about feeding people. your costs are grown dramatically but the audience you serve has not increased. >> actually, our audience has increased. we saw about a 60% increase of need here in indiana, but we were able to increase it about 30% from 2020, and your cost is very reflective of the reality in terms of cost, and people may not realize we offer a fleet of box trucks and even the diesel is substantial on us. >> what do you do about this, john? it's obvious everything you're saying to me, but for those of us who don't think about this on a daily basis, for those of us who are not food insecure, we're not clear how this affects you. what do you need to happen to address these inflationary costs? >> well, we obviously need financial and other support in all 200 feed america food banks,
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not just gleaners. first of all, all our decisions are made one part supply chain company and one part compassionate non-profit. we have to think about things like one dollar of expense is six meals we can't provide, but we were ready in many ways at gleaners pre-pandemic, because we've launched a strategic plan, we've made many changes and we've grown. we were on a path of change before the pandemic and have taken each meal from $3.13 to $2.50 per meal. we are a far more complex organization than people realize. >> we talk about food insecurity a lot, and i want to just put some statistics up.
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these are from 2020, and things have changed, as you said. but 10.5% of u.s. households are what we call food insecure, about 13.8 million people, and these may be outdated. tell me what you mean by food insecurity in the richest population in the world. >> there is no access to food whatsoever in some areas, and people don't make enough for the whole month, so they need supplemental for part of the month. that's the gap we fill, and some other agencies like access will fill gaps. it's not a 100% lack of food. >> where do you get your food from? do you purchase it, or is it
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donations of food? i guess what i'm asking is how do my viewers help food banks in their community best, with money or donations of food? >> money is much better because we can very efficiently purchase this bulk, and when people donate in loose boxes, they add standard operating costs that reduces the food we can purchase, so financial contributions are best. but if you think about source of food pre-pandemic, we got 8% to 9% of our food from usda federal programs. when the pandemic hit, our retailers that had generously been about 67% of our food went to zero. so just as we were more than doubling the food we distributed, we lost our number one source of food. and then when we went out to purchase food in the pandemic, we were in line with these companies that had generously supported us, kraft and general
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mills and nabisco and other companies, but they couldn't give us as much as they could historically. so we needed to buy about nine to ten times of food, and thankfully donors gave us the money to do that with, but it's a daunting thing to think about a week where maybe we spent 15,000 purchasing food the year before and we spent $1 million of food in a week we didn't expect to. but expenses went up, too. all operating costs went up. >> and this supply chain matter is very real when you have to think about where you're getting your food. john, thank you as well as people across america trying to keep people fed. in just seconds we're going to release brand new polling data about president biden's job performance. plus representative ayanna pressley

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