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that. good evening to everyone. welcome to "ayman." it was the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war, so why are federal prosecutors offering petty offense plea deals to capitol rioters? we'll look at the latest effort by republicans and right-wing media to whitewash the january 6th insurrection. plus, are we finally at the finish line -- the house is expected to vote on both the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill this tuesday. i'm going to discuss this with michigan congressman andy levin. then the trial of kyle rittenhouse is set to begin on monday. why is the judge banning the use of the word "victim" to refer to the protesters who were shot and killed? and what impact will that have on the trial? i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. all right, tonight we are learning the lengths to which former president trump is
willing to go to conceal what happened on january the 6th. a late-night court filing from the national archives revealed that the former president is trying to block the january 6th select committee from receiving white house visitor lists, call logs, presidential diaries, and the handwritten notes from his chief of staff, mark meadows. now trump already tried to block the transfer of these documents claiming executive privilege, but the biden white house has already rejected those efforts earlier this week, paving the way for their release. now, that's far from the only attempt from trump. republicans and even right-wing media to try and sweep this january 6th insurrection under the rug. illinois congressman adam kinzinger announced friday he would not seek re-election when his term is up. kinzinger is a member of the january 6th select committee and one of only ten republicans to actually vote to impeach trump over that insurrection. trump released a statement celebrating kinzinger's retirement. it simply said "two down, eight
to go." trump's statement isn't just about kinzinger's retirement, it's also a reflection of how strong his hold is over the republican party. congressman anthony gonzalez is the other republican to announce that he won't seek re-election after voting to impeach trump. congresswoman elizabeth cheney, another republican who voted to impeach, and one of the most outspoken critics of both trump and the insurrection in the gop. she's facing a tough re-election challenge in wyoming. now the whitewashing of january 6th isn't just happening in washington. it's happening across the country on right-wing media in real time. fox news host tucker carlson, perhaps the most influential voice in maga media today, is set to release a three-part docuseries that he claims will, quote, tell the true story of the insurrection. now, i'm using that term "docuseries" extremely generously here, because as the trailer for the series makes clear, it appears to be completely unhinged from the reality of what everyone witnessed on that day.
one unnamed person in the trailer makes the claim that the riot may have been a, quote, false flag operation orchestrated by the government. now here's a quick rundown or breakdown of how the right has explained away the insurrection. first, the rioters were just tourists, then they were peaceful patriots. now apparently it was a false flag operation by the government all along. now can you imagine if a muslim anchor on a mainstream cable network in this country promoted a documentary about 9/11, the worst terrorist attack in u.s. history witnessed by millions around the world, and then had the audacity or even imply in the slightest of terms that it could have been a false flag operation by the government? that's the reality of what tucker carlson, fox news, and the murdoch family are doing with this sham documentary. let's be clear. if all this isn't enough, the department of justice's strategy for prosecuting the people who stormed the capitol on that day
me a may actually be played into trump's hands. yes, i'll explain why. the federal judge who has been overseeing the prosecution tore into the doj for allowing a rioter to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge for his actions on that day. now, according to "the washington post," chief u.s. district judge beryl howell said in court on thursday no wonder parts of the public and the u.s. are confused about whether what happened on january 6th at the capitol was simply a petty offense of trespassing with some disorderliness or shocking criminal conduct that represented a grave threat to our democratic norms. let me make my view clear -- the rioters were not mere protesters. judge howell has a point here. how can we prevent a second insurrection from happening if we refuse hold anyone from the former president on down accountable for the first insurrection? and that's where we begin tonight.
joining me now is frank figliuzzi, msnbc national security contributor and a former assistant director for counterintelligence at the fbi. so frank, it's great to have you with us. can't think of anyone better to talk to than you about this. i'd like it get your reaction to what we're hearing here from that judge overseeing sentencing for the january 6th rioters. that judge is questioning why prosecutors are charging them as if they were actually nonviolent protesters who interrupted congressional proceedings, and not like insurrectionists who attacked our democracy which is how prosecutors and quite frankly this administration have been describing them all along. >> so let's try to unpack this. i think it's helpful to start by just reminding folks that the strategy from the prosecutor's standpoint is to start with the lesser defendants and work their way up to the more serious, grave offenses that are going to come with people who enacted the greatest violence and may have been involved in planning and or organizing the event. okay, with that in mind, let's look at this through two lenses, the judge's lens and the
prosecutor's lens. the prosecutor has to say, look, we've got more coming here. so i want some room for growth between the low sentences i'm going to get for the lesser defendants and then what i'm going to ask for for the more serious offenses of the more serious defendants. here's the problem, though -- these are extremely low requests that are being made for sentence. often probation, time served, that kind of thing. and where the judge, let's look through her lens, the judge is coming from is, look, i'm very frustrated. you're describing every day in court how horrific january 6th was, it was an attack on our democracy, and you're asking for these low sentences -- there's a disparity there. you can't have it both ways. and judges get very concerned about the deterrence element in their sentences. is my sentence that i'm going to issue going to deter not only this defendant but others? and i side with the judge on this, ayman. the low sentences represent a failure to acknowledge the crowd as a factor in what happened in
the security breach that day. they are treating these lower -- these lesser defendants as if their conduct happened at the corner grocery store. >> right. >> they stole something -- they assaulted somebody. this was not the corner grocery store. the conduct might be similar, but the context is far graver. i'm with the judge on this. something needs to change here, and we have to ask why the prosecutors are taking this stance, and we have to wonder whether it might be because they're concerned about public optics if they start asking for -- hammering, tough sentences on the lesser defendants is all hell going to break loose politically against the doj. i have to ask that question. >> listen, i got to agree with you. you're the expert here, but it just seems to me that it's missing the context in these prosecutions. yes, it's trespassing, but why are you walking from a rally that was on the national mall all the way to the congress? you may not have gone in, you may not have broken the glass,
but the mere fact that you thought you could get there to overturn the election for me is enough context to require a severe punishment. let me play for you what attorney general merrick garland responded and said to this criticism that the rioters weren't being charged harshly enough earlier -- i'm going to read it. it's from cnn. he said prosecutors involved in this case are making determinations in every case about what charge fits the offense, what charge fits the law. i'm quite aware that there are people who are criticizing us for not prosecuting sufficiently and others who are complaining that we are prosecuting too harshly. what do you make of the arguments here, his comments here, and do you think anyone at the doj is really taking into consideration the criticism from supporters of the rioters saying that they're being prosecuted too harshly? >> well, of course we never want either a doj or a judge that actually factors public sentiment in. but they've got to understand
that public sentiment is based on a viable concern that this could happen again. and i don't think the deterrence factor is being weighed heavily enough and from my law enforcement background, i don't think they're fully grasping the serious factor the crowd played in breaching the security. if you just had 100 oath keepers, 3%-ers, proud boys, who were tactically trained and tried to breach the capitol that day, they would not have succeeded to the extent they did without the hundreds of people behind them pushing, shoving, breaching, assaulting officers. the crowd was the factor and that's not being considered. >> one final one quickly about the latest developments with the president -- former president trying to conceal the documents that the january 6th investigative committee is looking for. what might they find in those documents, those call logs, those notes from the former chief of staff, mark meadows? >> yeah, we've got some real
insight now into the mindset and strategy of the committee. they're looking for communications before, during, really important, and immediately after january 6th to show the mindset of the president and those around him. so what might they find, how about people trying to talk the president out of the rally on january 6th? how about a different draft of the speech he gave that was less -- less rhetoric and not as aggressive? how about communications where they told him this is going to get really ugly, sir, we couldn't do that? that's the kind of thing they're looking for. >> all right, plugz frank figliuzzi. always a pleasure. frank, thank you for joining us this saturday evening. let's turn to the democrats who for the better part of the year have been stumbling toward the finish line in their efforts to pass the biden agenda. the good news is that votes could actually come as early as tuesday in both the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the companion build-back-better act. though it is hard to imagine that process could have been any more messy or damaging, quite frankly. but on thursday, the president did have big news to share. watch.
>> we have a deal. >> i'm sorry, that was a clip of biden back in june when he announced the, quote, bipartisan infrastructure framework. four months later, though, we still have no signed legislation on that front. the senate voted in favor of the $1 trillion bipartisan bill in august, but the house has refused to vote on it so far as democrats argue over the build-back-better act which has been pared down to $1.75 trillion over ten years. the result of significant cuts to popular programs favored by the democratic base and the one that actually put them into power. and so on thursday before heading off to europe for a series of crucial meetings with world leaders, the president did, in fact, have some news to share. i'll let him tell you. watch. >> today i'm pleased to announce that after -- after months of tough and thoughtful negotiations i think we have an historic -- i know we have historic economic framework. >> framework?
really? four months later and we're still stuck if the framework stage? many on capitol hill are expressing optimism that an actual deal could be finalized before a potential tuesday vote, we've seen this before, and i'm not holding my breath this time around either. biden campaigned as a competent washington insider who could make the town work again. but as susan glasser wrote in "the new yorker" "what i keep coming back to is that biden has struggled so much for a deal he can't quite close with his own party." these are democrats he's negotiating with. republicans, they're pretty much out of the equation, frankly. why is the timing of this so critical? one big reason, though, tuesday's election for virginia's governor. in a state biden won by ten points, the race is now seen as a tossup due in no small part to democrats' inability to enact their own agenda. despite holding all the major leaders of power. now with great power comes great responsibility. and they must know that the results of the virginia race will be seen as a referendum on president biden's first year in
office. and a key bellwether ahead of the 2022 midterms. for more on all of this, let's bring in michigan congressman andy eleven, deputy whip of the congress. thank you so much for joining us. pramila jayapal is
also chair of the progressive caucus, she's expressing optimism that a deal is imminent. let me play it for you. watch. >> we have shown people what it means to fight for them, to not leave people behind. and we will deliver very shortly, very shortly. we will deliver both the infrastructure bill and the remarkably transformational build-back-better act -- >> a, are you as optimistic as congresswoman jayapal, and b, will the tuesday votes actually take place and will the bills pass? >> hi, ayman. well, glad to be with you tonight. i'm not so concerned with what
exact day they pass on, but we have good news, my friend. we are going to pass the bipartisan infrastructure plan, and we're going to pass the build back better act, which is 80%, 90% of the president's agenda. you know, i think
that a lot of all of this hand-ringing about the sausage-making process is kind of beside the point. we, the progressive caucus, said, look, we promise we'll vote for the bif, the bipartisan infrastructure piece, but senator manchin and sinema said at different points they're not sure we should use reconciliation, they're not sure we should do any of this. we said, okay, let us negotiate out what's in the build-back-better act, and this is what we're coming to the finish line on, and then we'll pass both bills. so ayman, i feel great about it. i'm incredibly proud that we have been fighting for the american people to get
transformational legislation on everything from childcare and pre-k to elder care and maybe hearing aids and, you know, the child tax credit and the earned income tax tax credit, the biggest housing legislation ever. and by far the biggest climate change legislation ever. that's what is at stake, and that's why we've been wanting to make sure we can get it all done and pass the bills together. so i don't really feel that much angst about it. we're going get it done. >> okay. fair enough. you brought up senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. let's talk about them. part of what caused the delay is the fact that house progressives have demanded a vote for the build back better act before they would approve the bipartisan infrastructure bill as you outlined which had already passed the senate, we should note. that seemed to reveal a lack of trust, frankly, between progressives and -- and senators manchin and kyrsten sinema or the moderates or conservatives, if you will. let me play for you this sound bite from speaker pelosi when she was asked about that on thursday. watch.
>> do you trust that senators manchin and sinema will vote based off of what is outlined in this framework? >> i trust the president of the united states. >> so a bit of a deflection there because she doesn't answer that she trusts the senators. she does trust the president of the united states. cnn's manu raju asked same thing to senator manchin in which he said if they can't take the word of the president of the united states and the speaker, we are in trouble. so my question to you is -- do you trust that the president of the united states, is his word good enough for you? and if it is, why not go ahead and vote on the bif? >> so you know, this -- again, i just find this to be obsession with the sausage making. we had an agreement from the beginning. several weeks ago the president came before us, right, and he basically said, hey, you conservative democrats, chill out, we're not passing the bif separately, we're going to pass the two bills together.
and hey, you progressives, get ready to compromise because unfortunately we're not going to get the whole $3.5 trillion plan that isn't the progressive caucus wish list, that was $6 trillion. it was the president's plan, right. the $3.5 trillion. so he was very clear. and all the progressive caucus is doing is holding to that deal. i trust joe biden, i trust nancy pelosi, i just want to see as a member of the house, i want to make sure that we have the whole deal on build back better. and i think, ayman, it's already clear that we're getting more than we would have if we had just passed the bif and went on a song and a prayer hoping that the senate would pass a robust version of build back better. this is going to be transformational. and when it comes to november, 2022, people are going to be talking about what we got done, this transformational legislation. can you imagine finally universal pre-k for all 3 and 4-year-olds in this country?
and no family that's not way up into the upper middle class paying more than 7% of their income for childcare? and the biggest housing package ever. i mean, it's going to be great, and we're going to proudly go out there and sing from the rooftops about what joe biden, nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, and the rest of us accomplished together. >> okay. i don't want to take anything away from what you've accomplished, but you well know -- let's not talk about process, let's talk about substance. family paid leave, that's not in there. climate change -- i know you're citing that this is going to be transformative, but what was originally in there would have been the greatest piece of legislation to combat climate change in the history of this country. that has been reduced and slashed. and i understand why -- i don't want to talk about the process, but your voters -- not your particularly but the constituents and the base of the democratic party, they wanted to see a lot of things done that are not getting done. >> dude, i'm the author of the free community college bill in the house. >> that's why i said -- that's why i said not you personally, not your constituents, but that's why the broader conversation about where the
democrats are, there is the criticism -- >> i know, but so -- so look, no republican will vote for any of this stuff that the american people are calling for. >> yeah. >> we've got two senators who seed -- so 96% of democrats in the house and the senate said we're good with the president's whole $3.5 trillion plan. >> yeah. >> but because our margins are so thin, we have to literally get everybody. that's why this is taking a while. and so the big message is let's elect a heck of a lot more democrats so like during the great society and the new deal a president like joe biden has big margins in both chambers, and he can really pass his agenda in a fulsome way. i'm really proud -- >> i agree with you, historically -- historic transformative legislation. that's why i spent a little bit of time to highlight the two senators who represent way less than the millions of americans who represent -- who are represented by the 96% that
you're referring to that actually want to see this done >> dude, dude, joe manchin, dude, joe manchin represents 40% as many people as live in metropolitan detroit -- >> i'm with you, i'm with you. that's why i wanted to spend time talking about the process. you got to reform the process. >> you are right on. no, are you right on. >> appreciate it. congressman andy levin, appreciate you spending time with us. appreciate you. coming up, texas gained two congressional seat thanks to the census. how the new voting maps are already facing legal challenges for discrimination. plus, congress wants to tax billionaires to help pay for biden's build back better agenda, but not everyone is on board. can you actually guess who's standing in the way -- it's getting tiring saying this. can you guess who's standing in the way? as someone who resembles someone else, i appreciate that liberty mutual knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. oh, yeah. that's the spot.
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we are just days away from those elections in virginia and new jersey which could be a bellwether for the midterms. but what happened this week in texas might actually play an even more decisive role as gop-controlled legislators work to follow their lead. monday texas governor greg abbott approved new political maps for the state's congressional and legislative districts. now after the 2020 census, texas gained two congressional seats, the state added those two new districts because the state's population grew. and 95% of that growth was actually driven by people of color.
so logically the districts would reflect that growth. instead, republicans opted to give white voters both control of those districts. voting rights groups wasted no time in taking the state to court. now just moments after the governor signed that map into law, a lawsuit was filed by texas voters and voto latino saying it violated the voting rights act. to discuss us, maria teresa kumar. it's great to have you with us. hispanic people make up 39% of texas' population. the numbers speak for themselves. under this new map they only have the majority in seven out of 38 congressional districts, 30 out of 150 state house districts, and 7 out of 31 state senate districts. that's about 20% of those allotted seats. this is the first year in nearly 50 years that texas hasn't had to get its maps preapproved by the federal government. before the burden was on texas to show why their maps actually didn't discriminate against
people of color. now that burden falls on those who challenge the map like yourself and others to try and prove why it is discriminating against people of color. tell us about your lawsuit and if you think your case will actually be successful. >> hi, thank you so much for having me on. and here's the -- here's the rub -- the reason that this map passed mustard was because there was the gutting of the voting rights act back in 2013. and basically said that the federal government did not have to preclear the maps. under normal circumstances this map would have been thrown out the door, it would have never made it to the governor's desk. now unfortunately organizations like mine, voto latino and the organization that focuses redistricting, we are suing because we recognize that the way the constitution is written, the way redistricting is written is that we should be able to elect people who reflect our
values. in this case, sadly the fact that the districts were allocated to two white districts that are going to be disproportionately republican does not allow the voters to vote for their representatives. that's why we are suing. because we are suing under section two of the voting rights act, that piece of legislation believe it or not, that law is still alive and kicking. we do expect it to be heard, and we do expect favorable outcomes. but here's the thing -- groups such as ours should not be suing. this should be mandated by the federal level, and that's why if the democrats and the republicans were to pass the freedom to vote act it restricts gerrymandering, it doesn't allow any districts to be stacked against a certain group. and the more that we can have legislation again at the federal level, we wouldn't have to be dependent on democratic or republican state legislators to create maps that were unfavorable to a constituency. >> you beat me to the question that i was just about to ask about the freedom to vote act.
congress has failed to pass that. can these issues that are playing out in texas and other states, can these issues be successfully litigated on the state level, or does it all hinge on whether congress will actually amend the filibuster and pass some kind of meaningful voting rights protection? >> that's a great question. we are filing and sue under seconds two which is relevant, still law. undersection 2 we have a shot because it says specifically you need to have representation that reflects the community in which that growth came from. and in this case, it was 95% of the growth came from communities of color, two million of the four million were latinos. the rest is a combination of african-american and asian american in texas. so we would expect some sort of fair representation to that effect. now, you're asking about the freedom to vote act. last week you may recall it was actually put up -- sorry, two weeks ago, things are flying fast --
>> i'm right there with you. >> it was put on the floor for an opportunity to go to a vote. it didn't get one republican, and that was more a procedural vote. it was to demonstrate to america and top senator manchin who co-authored it that not one republican wants to modernize our election system. so the idea now is that there are advocates, there are members of the senate that are fighting to have a vote. and if there's a vote, a voice vote, then there is a likelihood that it would pass. sadly, along party lines. and this shouldn't be along party lines. when poll after poll demonstrates that republicans, independents, and democrats deeply believe that every american should have equal access to the poll regardless of zip code, this is an effort to modernize our election systems. that's a good thing. that's a win for democracy. >> yeah, absolutely. voting rights is one of those issues that absolutely has to get done. so hopefully it will at least get the consideration of people
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all right. the trial of kyle rittenhouse is set to begin on monday in kenosha, wisconsin. rittenhouse faces six charges including homicide and attempted homicide for his actions during protests last summer over the police shooting of jacob blake. now if you recall, the teenager drove from his home in illinois across state lines armed with a semiautomatic rifle to the site of the protests where he shot and killed two men and wounded another. now rittenhouse soon became celebrated where else -- right-wing media receiving praise from former president trump. a fund set up for his legal defense received at least half a million dollars in support, and a data breach at the fundraising
site revealed that police officers and public officials were among the donors. this week the judge in that case set his ground rules for the trial barring prosecutors from using words like victim to describe the people that rittenhouse shot, describing it as a loaded term. meanwhile, though, the defense is free to use words like arsonists, looters, or rioters to refer to the very same people. now with jury selection under way next week, the nation's alley mastal says in a piece even if rittenhouse draws an impartial jury, he has already won the white people's lottery and landed a very partial white judge. joining me to break down the case and what we can expect to see in the courtroom next week, elie mustel, justice correspondent. i want to talk about the ruling. it's not uncommon to bar the use of the word "victim" in the courtroom especially if the defendant is claiming self-defense.
in this specific case, though, was the judge justified in that ruling, and what do you make of rittenhouse's self-defense claim driving across state borders with a semiautomatic weapon, going to the site of the protests. he's not defending his home or business in his backyard or some property he owns. he's driving across state lines to get to the site of the protests and claiming self-defense. >> i would say it's uncommon and unusual, it's not unheard of, not a never done before thing. but it is unusual for a judge to disallow the use of the word "victim" in a self-defense trial. but if it was me, i don't think they let them not use that word. so right, there is a nuance here. there is an argument that victim is a loaded term when the defendant is claiming self-defense. however, my issue with the judge is not his decision about the word "victim." it's his decision to allow the kyle rittenhouse defense
attorneys to call the victims looters, arsonists, or rioters, right. he's allowing those loaded terms to be used against the victims who, let's remember, folks, are not on trial. >> yeah. >> the people kyle rittenhouse killed are not on trial. they are not able to defend themselves because they're dead because he killed him. and that happen is uncontroverted. so these people are not on trial. in fact, the one who survived, the one who he shot but didn't kill, that person has not been charged with arson or looting or rioting. so for the defense team to be allowed to use those terms -- but the prosecution can't call victims of homicide victims, that's where you start to see the bias. >> let me -- >> in general -- >> let me drill on that real quick because you brought up a good point. as you mentioned, the judge did allow rittenhouse's lawyers to use words like rioters. i wanted to read what you wrote in your piece. you point out there is and never will be a trial to determine whether those men were arsonist, looters, or rioters, and the
surviving victim has not been charged with any crime. can prosecutors challenge this ruling, or is it set in stone once this judge has now made that decision? >> it's -- it would be -- no. functionally no. this is going to be how this trial has to play out now under the judge's rules which is why i say that rittenhouse has already won a key ally in his defense. he's got the judge on his side. and it's not just this -- this legal word semantics game. if you look at his pretrial decisions, we see again and again he kind of rules in favor of rittenhouse. the judge cited $2 million bail. that's not cheap. but as you mentioned, you know, right-wing forces, they raised the money, they got him out on bail which rittenhouse then repeatedly violated, and the judge refused to do anything, refused to pull him back. that's one thing, right. there's some evidentiary issues. people don't -- not a lot of people know this -- two weeks before rittenhouse shot those
people in kenosha, he was videotaped inside his car watching people leave a cvs saying that he wished he had a gun so he could go shoot those looters coming out of the cvs. that was two weeks before he went to kenosha to shoot what he perceived to be rioters and looters claiming self-defense. to me that goes to his state of mind. but the judge would not allow that evidence in at trial. what the judge will allow in at trial is a video of police patting rittenhouse and white supremacist s on the head, doing a good job of protecting kenosha. what does that have to do with self-defense? it doesn't. that's what i'm saying -- the judge is making all these decisions that just put that thumb on the scale just ever so in rittenhouse's favor. remember, because this is a criminal trial, all they have to do is find one juror, one juror in kenosha, wisconsin, who thinks like the judge does. >> let's talk about that judge real quick.
i believe his name is schroeder, judge schroeder, he's come under fire for several other controversial rulings during his career, including requiring sex workers to get tested for aids and a high-profile murder conviction that was later overturned on appeal due to an evidentiary mistake on the judge's part. you said the judge's bias in this case has been evident in his pro-rittenhouse rulings in the past year. talk to me more about this. how much power a judge holds in that case like this. >> we're still -- remember, all this will is happening in the pretrial stage. we're not to the point of selecting a jury where the jurors will be objected to and the judge will have play in that. we're not in the middle of the trial where prosecutors will make arguments and introduce evidence and the defense will object and the defense will just -- and the judge will make a ruling. there are so many ways during a criminal trial where a judge who has already made up their mind can tilt the outcome in favor of
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really good stuffer in this bil and i don't want you to to think we're trying to belittle it.t you have universal preschool, expanded child tax credits, affordable housing, expanded ou medicare benefits and hundreds of billions in funding to fight the climate crisis. all of that, really important things that the democrats should be proud to deliver to the american people. but let's get real here for a minute. it's an absolute embarrassment that democrats were forced to drop paid family leave from their social spending plan. it's fair to question at this io point why democrats have struggled so much with the actual work of governing and whi it's been so hard for the biden administration and the democrats to deliver for the coalition of suburban women and black voters that actually put the democrats in power. polling from this spring found ua that 75% of women and 61% of men think both new mothers and fathers should receive paid leave. that's not up for debate. in this survey conducted by paid leave advocacy group from last year shows that broad l support for paid leave across a
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