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last year shows that broad support for paid leave across a wide variety of demographics in this country. now, with mid terms approaching, have biden and the democrats done enough to say that they deserve to remain in power? look, there's still time to get the president's agenda passed and it looks like that may very welcome in the days ahead but it can't be ignored how excruciatingly difficult this process has been. democrats, if you want a coalition of black voters, suburban women, independent and swing voters to keep you in power, it might be time to give them some bold reasons to. lots to discuss and i've got a great panel to do it with. joining me is amanda turkle, the washington bureau chief and josh gondleman is a median and writer
for "desus & mero" on showtime. i love the wave you put it grand juror article on "huffpost," 74-year-old man blocks universal paid leave. how are women voters and all voters given the popularity of paid family leave going to respond to democrats dropping the ball on this issue that is so important to people? as i mentioned, 73% among women, 61% among men. >> yeah. i'm already hearing a huge backlash. i'm hearing activists in west virginia were planning to target joe manchin, we hear a lot about kirsten sinema and have been making this difficult for their caucus. this was manchin. so i think there's going to be a lot more pushback. i don't know if that's going to be enough to change joe manchin's mind.
this is really popular across age groups, across parties. that doesn't just benefit women. this is paid family medical leave. this is if you have a child, if you have to deal with a loved one's military deployment, if you are sick or have to care for someone who is sick, basically touches every aspect of life. something like 23% of private sector workers have access to this leave. this would be hugely beneficial. and i think a lot of people honestly are just really shocked that democrats couldn't get it in the bill. >> josh, one of the funnest things was despite this being widely popular and, you know, quite frankly reported that the affordable care act that the u.s. is so far behind on the issue of paid family leave, it's probably one of the most well-known things in washington. senator manchin has been telling other democratic senators he wanted to do his own research on this but how other countries handle paid family leave. you know, just how bizarre is it that he would even say something like that as an excuse why he won't support it?
>> and that's for me? >> yeah. >> i mean, it's just so bizarre to me. he's doing research on paid family leave the way people who are unvaccinated are doing research on the vaccine. this is frustrating to me. it's so tough to get a good deal when you're bargaining against people who are normally on your side. if joe manchin showed up at a back robbery, joe manchin would be like the guys in side want to kill the hostages, we'll keep some inside and make a deal. >> paid family leave, why won't any moderate republicans actually throw their voice behind this? is washington at that broke that
when something is so widely popular, republicans are more loyal to their political party than to the americans who want to see something like this? not one republican has stood up and actually said we're going to support this because paid family leave is something that three-quarters of americans agree on? >> there are four parties in congress, not two, liberal democrats, centrist democrats, more centrist democrats and trump republicans. that's why this is a lot more difficult than people think. there's a lot of members in the center who care about other issues like the role of government, the cost of bills, deficit spending, the national debt. so that's one. number two, why aren't republicans participating in this debate? because this is a reconciliation process. this was a process that was designed specifically to cut out republicans.
republicans did participate in the bipartisan infrastructure bill design and 19 republicans voted for it, including mitch mcconnell, but reconciliation usually excludes the minority party. when republicans did tax reform in 2017, no democrats voted for it. even though that included, for example, an increase in the child tax credit at the time. so when you decide to go it alone, you kind of have to do things on your own. >> yes, and to my point of is washington that dysfunctional that this is the only way to get things done right now is that you know that republicans and when republicans are in power, they know that the democrats may not meet them halfway. and the democrats now knowing that the republicans won't even negotiate with them on some of these issues, is that where we are? >> yeah, it's a big problem. that's why even though members like joe manchin and kirstjen sinema and mitt romney and susan collins take a pounding from
their political bases, i think these members are trying to preserve that notion of working across the aisle, building bipartisan consensus. so even though a lot of times they end up opposing popular policies like paid family leave, as you've mentioned, they're in a way looking out for the broader political system and trying to bring back that sense of camaraderie and cooperation that existed some decades ago. >> josh, i saw you rolling your eyes a little bit there about this farce that senator sinema and joe manchin are trying to preserve some kind of bipartisanship. joe manchin says he doesn't want to tax billionaires because he represents west virginia that has no billionaires. that doesn't even make sense. >> it does not. returning to a different time takes a back seat to the policies that will help the lives of people now.
bipartisanship in this process, all it's gotten us is a joint mitt romney/kirsten sinema halloween costumes. republicans start as a position nobody can vote and every gay person is replace with statue of robert e. lee. democrats will go for things that will actually help people instead of things that will be the republican standpoint of things that are punitive and ruthless. >> amanda, let's talk about the progressives here for a moment. after the announcement of a framework agreement thursday ended up being a fairly anti-climactic day on capitol hill partly because progressives were able to home firm against the bill, what do you have make of the lack of trust between progressives and conservatives? they simply do not trust -- tell me if i'm wrong -- progressives in the democratic party, including moderates, simply do not trust senators sinema and
manchin to stick to their word if they vote through a bipartisan bill. they'll find a way to say, now that we see the fine print, we're not going to pass the build back better bill. >> yeah, i think there is a lack of trust. can you blame them? they can't even get a straight answer from senator sinema a lot of times. the statements that sinema and manchin put out, it seemed like it was supportive but it's not an ironclad agreement. if you support biden, let's just go along with this. the infrastructure bill in a lot of ways was put together without them. this was a bipartisan thing. you know, it was put together by a group of members from overwhelmingly white states, whereas a lot of progressives are from much more diverse, much more urban states. and so they felt like, you know,
fine, you want this infrastructure bill, we support this, but we want this reconciliation bill that will help a lot of people who are in our districts and maybe won't benefit from the infrastructure package as much. we want to make sure there are things like universal, you know, universal pre-k, child care and things like that. they're saying, look, we're not giving up our one piece of leverage, this was a package deal and we are not committing until we know they're on board. >> i'm a huge fan of the "simpsons." i have to share a screen grab from an episode that aired all the way back in 1994. one of the banners at this imagined democratic national convention reads "we can govern." the one at the rnc says, "we want what's worse for everyone." how bad is it that a simpson's episode from 30 years ago is still painfully accurate here?
>> it's a bad look. we were promised by joe biden so much more than it seems we're going no get. now the entire country knows what it was like to get a sexy text from me when i was in my 20s and nobody should have to go through that, not in this decade, no ever! >> there are a couple of big gubernatorial races coming up this week. how do you think biden and the democrats' handling so far and inability to pass anything to this point, and i'm talking about these two specific pieces of legislation, but how do you think these two pieces of legislation that have stalled so far, at least we'll see what happens on tuesday, may play a role in voters' decision in virginia and new jersey? could this end up hurting terry mcauliffe or not? >> so new jersey should be fine for democrats, but virginia there's a lot of risk there. certainly one sees in the
polling and just anecdotally a lack of enthusiasm for democrats in virginia, just the fact that it's close. virginia is now a blue state. ten years ago it was a purple state. 20 years ago it was a red state. but these days it's definitely a blue state and the fact that terry mcauliffe is having a trouble there is evidence that democrats aren't as enthusiastic. obviously republicans now out of power are and will be turning out. so it really behooves democrats to try to get something done, even if it's just a bipartisan infrastructure bill, something to show voters to give people an excuse, a reason to turn out and support the party if democrats lose the governorship in virginia, i think it will be embarrassing and it will demoralize democrats going into 2022. >> amanda, carlos, josh, still around. we are just getting started. republicans putting critical race theory on the ballot in virginia. could it win them the governor's
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so it may be a year until the mid terms and three years until the next presidential election, but when it comes to politics in this country, there's actually no such thing as an off year. nowhere is that more on display than right now in virginia, where the race for governor between terry mcauliffe and glen youngkin is in a dead heat. the outcome will be decided on tuesday. perhaps one of the most interesting things about this race is the issue that's top of mind for most voters. nope, not covid, you might think, not the economy either. and it's definitely not saving our democracy. if you had critical race theory, bingo. and comments like this from the republican candidate can help you understand why. friends, dr. martin luther king called us all to be better than we are. he called us to judge one
another based on the content of our character and not the color of our skin. and critical race theory is a political agenda that is absolutely in our schools and it teaches everyone to view everything through a lens of race and then pits our children against one another. so, friends, on day one we will teach history but i will ban critical race theory. so a little friendly reminder for you there, fact check, critical race theory, is not being taught in grade schools or high schools in virginia, but it's part of a disturbing larger trend we're seeing from top republicans in the party all the way down. they see the path to electoral victory not in addressing policies that affect voters' health other economic security, not saving our democracy, but in stoking anger over race-baiting cultural wars. my panel is back with me. carlos, this is a pretty unusual race.
these two aren't really campaigning against each other, glen youngkin is running against the so-called cultural war, mcauliffe is running against trumpism, if you will. and trump is actually preparing a call-in on monday to show youngkin support. is this a win-win for youngkin? how do we make how he's walking that tightrope of trump? it seems like he's embraced him in any way possible, except in person. >> yeah, well, this is the republican high wire act that a lot of candidates try to perform in swing states and swing districts. so what republicans in situations like this need is for the people who need to know, republican base voters, that
donald trump supports the candidate, that they get that message but make sure that no one else hears that message because that can cost you a lot with swing voters, independent and moderate republicans and democrats. >> is that why they're using racist dog whistles so they can make sure those people are the ones that hear them, the base hears them and turns out? >> it's kind of like being a third base coach, ayman. you're putting out a bunch of signals and certain people understand them and others don't. it's unfortunate. that's not ideal. it's not good for the country but that's the republican party of today. >> it's definitely one way of saying it. amanda, what's perhaps more concerning, comments he's made about what will happen if terry mcauliffe wins this race? let me read for you what trump said to a radio show. "you know how they cheat in elections, the virginia governor's election, you better watch it. you have a close race in
virginia, but it's not close if they cheat." did gives me flashbacks to the california recall race where before the elections they were already saying that if the governor there, gavin newsom wins or survives the recall vote, it's because the election was rigged." this has now become the republican play book. >> yes, we are going to see this in every election, if a republican loses, it's because it was rigged against them and it's not fair. you know, democrats have been making sort of voter integrity and sort of getting out the vote and making sure that, you know, they combat this and have trust in the electoral process. this has been a big message of terry mcauliffe and democrats in this race. but, you know, this could backfire against republicans. you saw trump saying that, look, if republicans don't get on board and support my claims that the 2020 election was stolen, the big lie, then republicans shouldn't get out and vote in the mid terms. i know that was making gop
operatives have heart attacks because it's just like what is he doing? we want to move on from this and you can give the winks and nods to the base but we absolutely can't have large majoritys or even just large portions of the republican party believe this and not turn out to vote. a lot of this makes republicans really nervous. >> i got to ask you about the lincoln stunt, they owned up to it, pretending to be far right supporter of greg youngkin to a rally yesterday. pundits said white supremacists are showing up because he's speaking to their base, we were just talking about there with carlos. turns out it was just a political stunt. what do you make of this as a campaign tactic? is that effective or did this back fire against, not -- it's not fair to say the mcauliffe campaigns or the lincoln project operates alone but they're doing
this to highlight youngkin's racist dog whistles. did this backfire are was it effective? >> i don't know. it just seems corny. i'm going to try to say this in a television-friendly way. it seems like they would like to try to rat fornicate without foreign kating the rat to completion and it just seems a little like ugh. and the whole trick was just like we're going to tie this republican gubernatorial candidate to donald trump, a popular ex-president who people still believe when he says the election was stolen. ooh, good trick, guys. real cool. >> carlos, do you think the political stunt back fired or was it effective? >> i think it back fired. i think it's dishonest. if we want to criticize donald trump, probably the best way in doing that is to be sincere and honest because donald trump is the exact opposite of that. and trying to be too cute is
just not a good way of doing it. i think the lincoln project has some interesting content, you know, a year ago, maybe a year and a half ago, but i think they've kind of lost thereof -- their step a little bit. >> obviously education is hugely important. kids have missed a lot of school, many are struggling. but this is not about education. let's just be very clear about that. this is about race baiting, critical race theory and fear mongering and not actually to do with education in our society or even in virginia, but yet somehow the republicans and youngkin have made critical race theory at the forefront of this race in the voters' mind. how do you think that was possible, amanda? what led to this moment in virginia politics? >> many, many years of racism. but, i mean, besides that it's not just critical race theory. they have been fear mongering
about transgender issues and transgender inclusive bathroom policies. the key thing is parents should get more of a say. that's glen youngkin's message. this goes to you should be able to opt out of wearing masks, there shouldn't be vaccine mandates. he had that ad that featured a woman who tried to ban the tony morrison novel "beloved," because her son, who was a senior in high school in a.p. english was having nightmares. so she wanted to change the policy in their school. the critical race theory is the nastiest tip of this but this goes much further. republicans are running on a completely different set of issues than what democrats are. terry mcauliffe is out there talking about getting the economy going. virginia's already been doing
very well under ralph northam. republicans were saying virginia is a mess, we're fix it. they're almost running on these imaginary issues and trying to run over white suburban voters, get them angry enough and hopefully turn them out. >> they're getting help from right-wing media. this shows the increase of critical race theory mentions on fox from june 2020 to may of 2021, 600 times in the month of june that fox news has mentioned critical race theory. now you have tucker carlson pedaling this "docuseries" that implies january 6th was a false flag operation. to amanda's point, the republicans are no longer talking about issues and policy, they're race baiting, fear mongering, calling january 6th a false flag operation and it seems to be working for juicing
up their base, sadly. >> look, on january 6th there's just no excuse. what carlson is doing is unforgivable and really just horrible. i want to say criminal but technically that's not true, although maybe it should be. on education i have to tell you, republicans do have momentum. i see it all over the country. obviously in virginia and here in the state of florida, my home state, as well. i think democrats are looking to meet voters where they think voters should be and republicans are meeting voters where they're at on school closures, for example. republicans i think were pretty passionate about reopening schools and the biden administration ultimately ended up pressuring a lot of blue states to do that. i think some republicans have now overreached and are trying to end school districts' mask mandates when transmission levels are high in the community
is obviously a mistake. but i do see some liability for democrats on education in the present and in the future as well. and i think democrats really ought to rethink that strategy. i served on the school board for four years. >> we're not really talking about education, carlos. sorry to jump in here. we're not really having conversations about education. we're not talking about substance when it comes to education policy. we're talking about critical race theory. that's not really education. >> yes and no. in terms of school closures, whether or not kids should be in person in school was a big topic in this country some months ago and i think republicans ended up having the upper hand there. i think most people now look back and say, well, maybe we shouldn't have closed schools for that long. a lot of low-income students suffered tremendously and disproportionately during that time. and here in florida, for example, schools only closed for
a couple months and then were open the rest of the time. there's a lot of cultural signaling here but some of the issues are substantive and i would tell you that specifically opening up schools of a big deal in this country and that should be not be diminished. >> quick fire, who do you think wins, carlos, amanda and josh? who do you think wins virginia? >> carlos. >> i think republicans end up winning a very close race in virginia. >> amanda. >> i think mcauliffe will probably squeak through. >> josh? >> i mean, if the volume of e-mail sent to me each day is any indication, mcauliffe will win in a landslide. >> thank you so much for your time. amanda and josh, stick around. we got a lot more to talk to you after this break. coming up, when the going gets tough, just change your name. i'll share my thoughts on the facebook rebrand next. i'll share my thoughts on the facebook rebrand next. with pronamel repair toothpaste,
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facebook made a big announcement this week. they are changing their name to meta and they rolled out the name change with whatever the hell this is. >> hey, are you coming? >> yeah. just got to find something to wear. all right. perfect. >> oh, hey, mark. >> hey, what's going on. >> what's up, mark. >> whoa, we're floating in space? who made this place? it awesome. >> it's from a crater i met in l.a. >> this place is amazing. >> is that you? >> you know it's me. you know i have to be the robot, man. >> i thought i was supposed to be the robot. >> meta is a nod to the fact that an estimated 3 billion people use their services.
if you feel and if you felt like social media had a grip on your life, well, before the metaverse is supposed to consume you whole. in a founder's letter announcing the change, mark zuckerberg wrote, quote, the next platform will be even more immersive, an embodied internet where you're in the experience, not just looking at it. it's already alarming how inescapable facebook feels. you can deactivate your account but good luck leaving what'sapp and instagram. it's like he's aspiring to some james bond level villainy only without the charisma of a james bond villain. they weighed in on the news before the british parliament. watch. >> i was shocked to hear recently that facebook wants to
double down on the metaverse and they're going to hire 10,000 engineers in europe to work on the metaverse. wow, do you know what we could have done with safety if we had 10,000 more engineers? it would be amazing. >> while twitter may be tone deaf to some, the brand stock continues to climb. so what are we to make of this? if shareholders don't care that facebook is too big or that it has a coercive effect on a public discourse or that it fuels the spread of misinformation, should we be surprised that facebook is doubling down on ideas that make shareholders happy? i'll ask my panel when we come back. don't go anywhere. panel when we e back don't go anywhere. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do?
we facilitated genocide, facie mcbookface, the good and nice company not at all evil and save britney. why are they pushing this utopian view of the internet? is it too late for them to take the advice of buzz feed news readers and change their name yet again? >> mark zuckerberg in some interview said that the name change is not at all because of all the bad press that they've been receiving lately. and that's honestly probably true. this has probably been in the works for a little bit longer than that. but i think one reasonable theory is that they're really losing the young demographic on main facebook and even on instagram, they're starting to lose teen-agers. and the metaverse, which is a
very gaming-heavy world seems still a little unclear exactly what it is seems like a good way to sort of hook back in with young viewers or young users, too. >> josh, that whole key note presentation, i got to admit it was just bizarre visually. it was so weird and perhaps the strangest thing was that barbecue bottle of sweet baby ray's behind mark zuckerberg on the shelf really kind of broke the internet this week. what in the world is that about, using barbecue sauce as a book end there? >> i guess there was a meme that he was part of? i didn't look too far into it. it feels like a distraction. i don't care about the barbecue sauce, i don't care if the name is good. the real question is should they be doing this? and then talking about the barbecue sauce, what that means or whether meta is market about is like asking whether frankenstein monster is too jewy
to have monster appeal. i can can make that comment because i am a monster. >> where do you ever see the biggest problem for what facebook is today? is it a problem with the self-imaging it creates and the problems among south women, the genocide in myanmar, the ubiquity of what it controls in our life to what's app? what's the problem? >> i wish you gave me a "d" all of the above category. >> you have to choose one. >> it's the ability of facebook to create their own reality. people have been complaining that thanks to misinformation on facebook people are living in a false reality. and mark zuckerberg is like, yeah, that is unfair that happens to some people, we need to get everyone living in a
false reality. that's what it looks like. >> marc elias tweeted out don't forego when phillip movies changed ielts name to altria, it was still selling cigarettes that caused cancer. there have been a lot of comparisons between facebook and cigarette companies. the shareholders don't seem to mind given the way facebook stock is performing. how do you reconcile that? yet the share horlsd have nosha problem with what they're doing. >> i'm so glad you mentioned that. i think there is this public problem. i was even thinking when i would cover the bush administration, for example, and i think facebook right now has this thing where it's sort of perceived as like the energy companies were during the bush administration and now i'm not really sure if anyone is really
defending facebook that much. like you said, its stock prices are going up. i think that people, its investors, still think that, you know, hey, they're doing all this but they're making money, we think this is a good thing. we believe with what's going on with meta and unfortunately we see this a lot with corporations that, you know, they are looking to make money. they're not always looking to do what's right and hopefully if they do -- when they do rebrand to meta, that people don't forget that this is still part of facebook, this is still who they are. you know, i just finished reading the book about pharma tried to rebrand itself as well. >> certainly the facebook papers that were handed over, they detail a company that pretty much did nothing to avoid the issues that they were seeing on their own platforms like facebook and instagram, whether
it be the rise in hate speech, leading up to i mentioned the january 6th insurrection or the internal study that cited a spike in mental health issues after making instagram accounts. why hasn't the revelations had an impact on the company changing its course, do you think? >> it's tough. facebook does seem to have this teflon ability to weather bad press. and people still keep using their product and the stock price reflects the fact that people still are using instagram. no one -- some people maybe are stopping using instagram or what's app because of what happened in the news but it's frustrating to see such really damning information come out, especially about what's happening outside the u.s. i think that's where a lot of the really, really dark and
dangerous things that were revealed in the papers that came out were happening. and to see people not, you know, it's not reflected in the company, you know, they're still rolling out this, hey, look over here, we have this amazing, you know, we can play virtual ping-pong and go surfing with our v.r. goggles now. like don't worry about the fact that we can't moderate in most of the languages that are across the globe. >> yeah, good point. amanda, you cover washington, d.c. and certainly the intersection of technology and politics is becoming more front and center. do you get a sense there is an appetite in washington to try and do something about meta? >> i don't know about meta. i think in the sense that, yes, it's connected to facebook and there's more scrutiny on facebook and you're seeing this across the aisle, you know,
everyone from hawley on the right, who many democrats will say they won't work with, even if they agree with him on things like this, to, you know, democrats more traditional david cisillini in the house and amy klobuchar in the senate. there was a sense that facebook was good and these tech companies were good and these were better corporations that democrats could work with. i think that is now completely gone and there is more of appetite to go after these companies, look at their practices and you're even seeing that from the biden administration, which has made anti-trust and things like that a centerpiece of its work. >> josh, where do you come down with what congress should do with big tech companies, certainly like facebook? do you believe congress should have a bigger role in trying to
regulate facebook, how do you see the role of congress in all of this? >> i'm against the idea of monopolies and corporate consolidation to this level in general, like you brought up before, facebook, instagram, what's app. it's hard to interact online without going through facebook. and it's clearly bad for media literacy, arguably bad for democracy. but to be fair, without facebook where would i go to accident live wish a happy birthday to someone who died five years ago? there's no one else. >> katie, amanda, josh, stick around for us. coming up, ever wondered how to become a millionaire in less than 60 seconds? north carolina senator richard burr has a few pointers for you. i'm going to explain before we go. going to explain before we go (sfx: video game vehicle noises, horns beeping,) (engines revving, cars hitting one another.) (sfx: continued vehicle calamity.)
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democratic senators. but it is worth keeping an eye of republican senators as well. richard burr faced scrutiny last year following conveniently timed stock sales. now, this happened as then president trump was publically down playing the virus saying things like, it is like a miracle. it will disappear. but burr who was part of the senate intelligence committee at the time appeared to see things very differently behind the scenes. in march of last year burr, quote, warned a small group of well connected constituents to prepare for dire economic and societal effects of the coronavirus. so he dumped more than $1.6 million of his own stocks. two months later, we learn that the fbi seized his cell phone as part of a possible insider trading investigation. then he was forced to resign his chairmanship. on january 19th, his justice
department told burr it would not prosecute him over the stock sales. but the story doesn't end there believe it or not. propublica reported that after he sold his stocks, he called his brother-in-law and they talked for a mere 50 seconds, not a long time. the very next minute after that phone call, the brother-in-law called his broker and, quote, sold between $97,000 and $280,000 worth of shares in six companies, including several that were particularly hit hard in the market swoon and economic downturn. i know what you are thinking, right? what an unbelievable coincidence, right? so unbelievable that it's landed both brothers in law under
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