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they work to get one step closer to voting on his agenda. we are told they plan to vote on the two bills tuesday. president biden got one of his goals, securing a 15% minimum corporate tax for world leaders. local democrats are watching the race in virginia for governor. it is a dead hit. in new jersey, a poll shows phil murphy with a lead over the republican. in capitol hill they are trying to get the package passed with most democrats on board. as it stands the u.s. is one of six countries without any form of national leave in the world.
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average maternity live is 29 weeks. the cut is courtesy of joe manchin. but to be fair, 50 republicans are to blame for this as well. all 50 of them opposed the plan and none were expected to vote for this bill. a few were willing to cross the aisle to support families and babies and pro life. what joe manchin denies families paid leave. this is particularly egregious because he is is democrat. he benefits when democrats do popular things. now he's standing in the way of a policy that the majority of
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democrats want. one poll shows 84% of all voters support paid family leave. breaking it down now is my panel. i am happy to see y'all. katie, explain to me how paid family leave ended up being one of the very last things left on the chopping block. >> thanks for having me on. that is a tough pill to swallow at this point especially among progressive democrats. we did not expect to get to this point. so much has been cut from this spending package, a lot that has been priorities for working class families. paid leave was one of those that we thought would stay a part of
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the package. a lot of disagreements have been around what can we offer families, what will get past democrats. that has been back and forth. a lot of folks we have been talking to, either locally or voter bases said they were not expecting the parties to get to this point where we were talking about paid family leave being something up for contention. >> there are historic investments in families, in children in this package. it is not to undermine any of that, but there are a lot of people fired up about paid family leave, among them --
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eugene, your sense of is this a hail mary or a thing that is possible. do you make anything of what she is saying about if it is not in this bill, then maybe it will be in the next? i don't think you can hear me. that's what i am being told. >> i just got -- sorry about that alicia. i just got you back right now. i apologize. >> the question is right now the policy that is in focus is paid family leave. you have senator gillibrand saying if not this time, next time. i would love to you weigh in on that, but more specifically from you, none of the republicans are on board with this. the reason we are talking about this is because it's coming down
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to manchin. what are the political consequences manchin needs to face within his own party. >> everybody says getting things done like this is the art of compromise and negotiation. democrats have had to negotiate against themselves. on these parts of the legislation that are very popular not only across the united states but also in west virginia and arizona. it is absolutely baffling that senator manchin has not responded with more willingness to keep in paid family leave and a couple of other things that are so popular. what i tweeted out was if some democrats feared a primary challenge the way that all republicans do, then poorer americans and middle class americans would be better served in this country. i think paid family leave is an
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excellent example. think of the demographics of virgini -- west virginia. they are a working class state. it is astounding that senator manchin was not willing to support that. >> eugene, i think i have you back. why was this the last thing to be on the chopping block and also your sense if senator gillibrand thinks she has the chance to get it back in. >> i think she is fighting for that. people in the care economy, they feel like they have a chance. they are feeling hopeful for whatever reason, but what they really say is they feel this white house is not done fighting for that. president biden reported today
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in that caucus meeting saying this is not our last bite at the apple. we are going to come around to the things that did not make it into the bill, but it's time to do something. the reason paid leave didn't make it into this is because of joe manchin. he doesn't believe it should be done through reconciliation. i asked does that mean when you come back to this, is it possible you will try to do a bipartisan deal. there are republicans interested in paid family leave. joe manchin seemed to think if they are not going to do it through reconciliation, then he will have to try to deliver republican votes so they can get past the 60-vote threshold. that did not work on the voting rights bill. if they are voting on tuesday, i don't see how you get paid family leave back in there with
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president biden overseas and negotiating amongst themselves here. >> since your audio is working, i am going to ask you another question. another piece that has come into it is the immigration piece of it. i was speaking with someone very familiar with it. can you give me an easy way to explain this and they were laughing. there is no easy way to explain the proposals on the table. i am going to kick it to you to see if you can do a better job than i can. i will see if the next hours are critical? >> they talked about doing this before, a complete pathway to citizenship in the bill. the parliamentarian said no. so they were not allowed to do that. it is not clear what a path
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looks like. but from what i have been told, making it easier to be in this country doesn't give a pathway to citizenship it seems. so we have these hours where people don't fully know what is in this bill they will be voting on. it will be a big bill. 1.75 trillion, covers a swath of things. a lot of people were surprised by the $100 billion of immigration that ended up in it. we will have to figure out and ask what that looks like because it is not clear. >> can you take all of that and the context of tuesday, races in new jersey and virginia, how is what is happening on the national stage factoring in? >> extremely important. a lot of pressure not only on
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the infrastructure plan or spending plan when it comes to new jersey or virginia. if mcauliffe wins in virginia, or even if he loses, this could layout a format of what the 2022 midterm elections could look like for democrats especially if there is expectation they will perform poorly. so we are pushing back to show we are as united as possible. there is a lot of pressure. all of this falling on west virginia where there is a clear tie and a close call for election. right now we are seeing that democrats are trying to show some progress before election day on tuesday to boost their chances in the state, but also to make the impression that the democratic party is not competent in washington. what we have seen, democrats are solid in virginia, but they are
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not taking it easy, hitting the ground, making sure to underscore what the party means to folks in virginia, especially folks of color, black voters, latino voters and asian voters, but they are up against challenges that are outside of washington, d.c. we can expect high voter turnout. what will it be like to drag voters to the polls if they can't make it or didn't vote early. all of these factors will be playing in and they will be thinking what is washington or has the democratic party done for virginia on a local level if they can't get past this bigger priority that's on the biden agenda. >> katie, as always, i appreciate your time and analysis. be sure to join msnbc tuesday night for election coverage.
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we will break down the live results of key races happening around the country. do not forget, you can stream the kornacki cam. next, e-mail sent to pence as rioters were in the capitol, some chanting hang mike pence. later, my conversation with congressman adam schiff, a member of the january 6 committee. member of the january 6 committee. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪
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latinos account for just 5 to 6% in film despite being 20% of the population. in this conversation about more latino representation, here is the thing, it isn't that hard. you just have to decide it's a priority. we are learning more about which documents former president trump wants to keep secret from the january 6 committee investigating the capitol riot. trump is claiming executive privilege over dozens of things.
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trump attorney john eastman say pence lacked the courage to overturn the election results. >> i think a lot of that depends on the courage and spine of the individuals involved. >> that would be a nice way to say vice president mike pence? >> yes. >> "the washington post" reveals that eastman later blamed mike pence for the violence at the capitol writing -- facebook's role comes under growing scrutiny. betsy joins us and back with eugene. we are more curious about the calls he made on january 6. what can you tell us about these
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records and whether the committee will be able to review them? >> it's hard to have a super clear record of these records based on the filing. the trump legal team is trying to claim legal privilege over a wide variety of documents from as generic as visitor logs to things that would potentially be more sensitive, like notes from former, then chief of staff, mark meadows. it has the potential to change the way the public understands the presidency. it is going to force a federal court to decide whether former presidents can use executive privilege to keep their secrets, secret. and if they rule no, they can't, the curtains will be pulled back
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in a dramatic way and we will have an extraordinary view into one of the most extraordinary days we have seen in modern memory. >> why did this plan to contain protestors fall short? >> even though capitol police knew the specific locations in the building that protesters could target, they underestimated how serious those would be. the document shows they were worried about protesters, rioter, attackers breaking into the inaugural platform. which they did. you can see the image now. it was one of the most jars pictures out of january 6. but capital police failed to predict how dangerous this pro trump far right mob could be.
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that is far-reaching not just here but across the nation. they have underestimated the violence of the far right, particularly during the trump administration at dhs while overestimating protests faced on racial justice we saw last summer. that bias has had a real impact on public safety. we saw it materialize on january 6. they are trying to rectify it, but it will take a lot of work. >> eugene, recently one of the capitol rioters were interviewed. what does that signal about the direction of their investigation. >> it tells us they are moving forward in a way that folks who want to know what happened that
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day in that way. so you have looking at eastman who not only was he talking about, and talked at the january 6 rally, he also sent this e-mail you talked about saying the siege is because you and your boss didn't do what was necessary, talking about mike pence. he was a key figure, someone who talked to the president and gave him this what we know was a two to six-page memo that said this is what lawmakers called it, how to do a coup, a blueprint for a coup. this is what you would do and how it would work. he is key to the investigation they are doing. whether or not he adheres to this we will have to see. we have already seen steve bannon be voted to have criminal contempt charge and going to the
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department of justice to see what happens there. this is someone they want to talk to and they are interested in all of those logs that former president trump is trying to hide. those call logs are very important. we know he talked to kevin mccarthy who told him to keep people from coming down. talk to these rioters and tell them to go home and president trump, according to mccarthy, said they care more than you, which eastman sent to this pence aid. -- aide. it's important for them to know how much was not done. >> most of what we are focusing on is insular conversations. when you zoom out and look at the way this information was happening on january 6 was circulating on social media, you run into all of the reporting we
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have this week like facebook. much like ron artest taking the name metta peace, they are changing their name. it is an understanding of the platform and where it is not serving its audience. >> at every single juncture they put profit ahead of the public interest. they never have lived up to their obligation to try and combat disinformation, to clean up misinformation on the platform despite congressional hearings and promises from facebook they would do better. some investments they made to do better. it is maddening. so, no, a rebrand is not going to be enough. the fact they are rebranding in
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the first place indicates what a troubled brand facebook is. they are trying to assuage that. it will not be enough. the heat coming from washington will not let up either. you have people on both sides of the iron that are determined to help clean up facebook. >> i do want to ask you before we go. there are reports mark zuckerberg voted to deny spanish speaking. but you see a proliferation. there are reports that only 30% of spanish misinformation is getting flagged. when you talk about spanish speakers, it seems that work is lagging further behind. >> you are right. as ineffective as the effort
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from facebook has been to combat disinformation on their english language platform, it has been even more lacking when it comes to spanish language apps. what that means is that in a very real way, the latino community, a greater percentage is being subjected to disinformation about the way they think about politics. it is affecting their engagement, their willingness to engage and everything that goes along with democratic participation in our system. that's dangerous to the future of our country. my hope is that facebook makes a greater investment and addresses the spanish language disinformation that is pervasive out there. >> betsy, it will seem as if i am tying together two disparate
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stories, but you know how these intersect. as all of this reporting was coming out in the past week about facebook set against the backdrop of the 1/06 committee, is it your sense from national security folks that they are now concerned at a different level than they were before about the role that facebook and other social media platforms have paid in this? >> there is no question that they have long been concerned about social media networks. we are seeing a grasp among national security experts, first that they didn't have the kind of handle they needed on this prior to january 6. second, that as they are trying to course correct, they are fighting a war. as extremists change platform, moving to encrypted platforms, platforms that have less
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effective terms of service, law enforcement worry they could come at the expense of these platforms moving in increasingly rather than doing an effective all of the above wholly inclusive approach. so absolutely a major focus on facebook. lots of concerns about facebook. those have existed for many years. and there is a worry that there could be an underestimation of the threat and how it me as sizes. >> thank you very much. supreme court is set to hear two
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on monday the supreme court will hear two challenges to the texas law establishing a near total ban on abortion. whether other states can copy texas's approach about whether anyone can assist with an abortion after six weeks. there is already a copy cat bill in florida. the doj is suing texas over a law that they are enforcing. abortion clinics in surrounding
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states are experiencing wait times of up to three weeks. the texas tribune reports women at high risk of birth defects are scared to conceive because they can't get genetic testing before six weeks. what are you hearing from texans about the effect of this abortion law. >> there is a lot of fear out there. many women don't know before six weeks even that they are pregnant. i think there is even more fear that this is going to create a two-tiered system where people who have the means can go to a neighboring state and exercise their right to have an abortion if they wish. and those who don't have those means will not be able to do that. so there is fear. also a lot of pushback. in the courts, on the streets. about three or four weeks ago,
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in a number of texas communities there were thousands and thousands of people who marched on the streets against it. i have to tell you, born and raised in san antonio. it is difficult to get a few hundred people on the streets to protest things. but that day there were thousands of people on the street in san antonio and even more in austin and dallas and houston. i have a feeling that republicans are going to regret this in 2022 and beyond if it holds. >> i wonder for you as someone often tasked as messaging this to voters. you have been on the show many times talking about the attack on voting rights in your state. how you tie those two efforts together for voters. how you help them see a
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multiprong strategy where their rights are being chipped away. texas becomes a state that other states look at to say how can we do more of the same. >> absolutely. on the one hand what they have done with this anti-abortion law has become a blueprint for other states with republican governors, especially ambitious republican governors and legislatures. at the same time there is that tie-in because as many people have pointed out, texas is not necessarily a conservative state. its demographics look like states that have already flipped, like arizona. if you don't get out there and exercise your right to vote, there are consequences, and right now it is that we have a republican leadership full of
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dinosaurs and cavemen completely out of step with texans, going after transgender youth, going after critical race theory and that are trying to undo a constitutional right to an abortion that has been in place for 50 years. that's some of the consequence of people not getting out to vote. that's made harder with their voter suppression legislation. they know what the deal is. they are getting a twofer here because they pass laws like this and who wants to come to texas or stay in texas that has a different perspective that would help change things in this state? you will get a lot of young people especially. they have a job opportunity at one of the companies that have moved into texas in the last few years but they say i don't want to move there. it's those kinds of decisions for people moving here that have
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actually helped to move the state more towards the democratic column over the last few years. republicans are trying to chill that through all of this. >> and to put a fine point on what you just said. on my podcast i was talking to someone who runs one of the abortion funds in texas. i said i think there are a lot of texans who wonder if they want to stay. she said that is a privileged position. that's why a lot of us stay and fight. a lot of people can't afford to leave. there was so much action on the hill around these two spending bills that there was a headline people could have missed. president biden getting federal judges confirmed faster than any president since nixon. in the shadow of the previous
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administration where there was laser like focus on getting conservative judges confirmed, have democrats learned there is a renewed sense of urgency by making sure there is a judicial bench that really reflects their values? >> you bet. he would finally got the message, took the blueprint that mitch mcconnell put in place and worked well on their side with donald trump. and joe biden and chuck schumer have worked that well. i was happy to see a fellow san antonioen get appointed to the second circuit. her confirmation was just one of a many of group of diverse people put on the district court and appellate benches.
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>> that was part of my conversation back in may. she was one of the first mothers separated from her children under the trump administration zero tolerance policy.
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she fled with her sons only to be separated. she was finally reunited with her kids more than four years later. she was not alone. the biden administration rescinded it in january of 2021, just days after his inauguration. this week a new headline. separated families may be financially compensated. negotiations are on going between the justice department and lawyers representing those families. they could total $450,000 per person. >> former vice president mike pence called this compensation stupid yesterday when he was being interviewed on fox news.
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>> i asked if she could speak to former president trump, what is it she would want to tell him. >> you heard her there. the damage cannot be repaired. the money can be life-changing for these families. it will never erase the trauma and grief these children and parents will live through
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we have talked a lot on the show about what real representation looks like in front of and behind the camera. a new study finds that but one of the study's authors says this is the bottom line. our data continues to show that diversity sells. iranians spending money to see their actual lives on their screens and behind the scenes. given american actress natalie morales is helping to change the face of hollywood, this fall she made her movie directing debut with "language lessons" a comedy shot entirely over zoom. >> okay, all right. so i have to speak spanish for one day. >> well -- >> what? >> you bought the 100-lesson
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package. it's today and also and 99 more weeks. >> are you -- wow. that is -- that's extreme. well, -- will? did you buy me 100 spanish lessons? >> yeah. >> why? >> because you wanted to learn spanish, dummy. >> morales also directed the feature film "plan b" following two teen girls on a road trip to get emergency contraception. joining me now is natalie morales. you fight for so long to get your chance to direct, and then you get your chance to direct, and you're directing two movies in the middle of a pandemic. what was that like? >> yeah. that was not as planned, and, i mean, i'm very thankful for it, but it was a lot more work than anyone should do. i did both of those movies at the same time basically because
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it just worked out that way. i was supposed to do "plan b" in march of 2020, and as we know, everything shut down. so i did "language lessons" in the height of lockdown. and while i was editing that, "plan b" came roaring back and i was doing that afterwards. it was so crazy but shouldn't have been -- but really fun and i'm lucky to have had the opportunity. >> it was wild watching "plan b" because there are a few high school party scenes where there are only four people there. and for a while i was, like, why are there only four people at this party. this looks like all of the parties i went to in high school. but it's covid precautions. and then with "language lessons" watching you do it on zoom, you really were working the way all of us who just have normal jobs were working. >> yeah. mark du plas who co-wrote it
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with me, he and i shot it independently in our own homes for the most part, totally alone. like, i did my own hair and makeup and lighting and set design. that's my cat, rest in peace, he was on my lap throughout most of it. i don't know about you, alicia, but i work when i'm on zoom in pajama pants. now, i'm very nice up here, but i'm wearing sweatpants underneath. so that's a good side effect. >> yeah, it's one of the perils of coming back into the office is i have to wear real pants now. natalie, my entire teeup to this segment, which is, there's this ongoing, evolving conversation about diversity in media and hollywood in your industry. and i wonder for someone who came up as an actress, right, where it was about being the face on screen, i think we sort of have all run up against the limitations of that and how there needs to be a more expansive conversation about
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who's telling the story, who's directing the story, who that is buying the story. for you, stepping into this role as a director, how has it changed or allowed you to expand that ethos of the storytelling? >> well, primarily being a director allows you to hire some people. and so i can hire people behind the camera and in front of the camera that i feel are -- have, you know, bring a broader scope of perspective to whatever it is i'm making, even if they in particular are not represented in the movie or the tv show that you're doing. it is really important to have all of these diverse voices behind the camera writing and directing and acting because people have different lives and different perspectives. and that is, like, the best part about film-making is the collaborative aspect of it and having all of these different voices come together to make the exact same thing. and you're right, there's
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definitely limitations with it. as an actor, i had to be like, you know what? i might not have enough money to pay rent, but i need to stop playing the best friend or the girl who roll her eyes at something. i'm not going to keep taking these jobs so that i don't pigeonhole myself, and i deserve to be able to branch out instead of always being seen as the sassy latina best friend or whatever, you know? those roles are fine and we do exit. there are sassy latina best friends just like there are maids and sexy seductress, but some of these are newscasters on msnbc and some of these are directors. >> but to your point, i have rolled my eyes at many people. natalie morales, as always, thank you so much and congratulations. be sure to watch "language lessons" out now on video on demand. i'm going to ask adam schiff about congress's next steps as
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