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to know about his actions in the white house on january 6th. nbc's julie sirken joining me now. what is donald trump trying to keep secret? >> reporter: how much time do we have? there's over 700 pages from documents that the former president doesn't want the house committee to get their hands on. those records includes things like the white house daily diary which is a record of what the former president did on january 6th. includes call logs, visitor logs. he doesn't want them to see proposed talking points for his former press secretary, a draft text of the presidential speech that came before the mob attacked the capitol. the former president sued the national archives and the house select committee trying to keep them from turning over these documents. that of course came when
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president biden decided that the former president doesn't have the right to assert his executive privilege in keeping these documents from being turned over. just this week the white house actually asserted executive privilege over yet another set of documents. this is shaping up to be quite a nasty legal battle, back and forth between the house select committee, the national arrive and the former president. i want to read you a statement from the house select committee after the former president sued the national archives saying the former president's objective is to stop the select committee about getting to the facts. his lawsuit is an attempt to delay our probe. we'll fight the former president's attempt to obstruct our investigation. alex? >> you know, i think you hit the nail on the head when you said how long do we have. i'm trying to figure out what is
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left that happened on january 6th for the national archives were donald trump to win. what would be left from his day in the white house? it's everything. >> reporter: remains to be seen. there's only 700 or so other documents that the national archives has that the president isn't suing them over or preventing them from turning over to the committee. this is just the first trove. we'll see what happens as more documents are requested. >> maybe one is the menu for lunch. julie, thank you. we'll shift our focus to the g-20 summit with mike memoli and the virginia governor's race. we'll head overseas first. that's where president biden is finishing up a day on the world stage. just a few hours ago the president sat down the european allies to discuss the iran nuclear deal. mike, a busy day for the
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president. we haven't heard much from him directly. walk us through all that's happened. >> reporter: that's right, alex. you remember the pictures we saw yesterday was about the one on one meetings. president biden sitting down with the pope and having a fence mending session with the french president. today's president biden's focus is on using these summits to make progress on issues like the economy and national security. also start there with the headline coming out of the summit. the world leaders, more than 10 countries around the world, agreeing to a new baseline tax on corporations. president biden has been pushing this for two reasons. one is to stop a race to the bottom, allowing corporations to shift their profits to countries with lower tax rates. it would allow countries to raise revenues to pay for social
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spending issues. this isn't the final agreement. the countries have to enact it. we saw the challenge president biden is having. he announced this 15% corporate tax as this framework. having trouble getting it accomplished back home. something else happened on the sidelines. president biden huddling with key allies, the president of france, the chancellor of germany as well as the prime minister of britain trying to bring iran back to the nuclear table. this is a joint statement by those countries. they're saying a return to jcpoa compliance will provide sanctions lifting with long lasting implications for iran's economic growth. they're calling on iran's president to return to good faith efforts to conclude negotiations. president biden briefly addressed this earlier today.
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let's take a listen. >> mr. president, when would you like talks with iran to resume? >> they're scheduled to resume. >> reporter: alex, what this is about there's been a stalemate since biden returned to office vowing to bring the u.s. back into that nuclear agreement. iran said they'll only come back to the table if we lift the sanctions. this appears to be the u.s. saying we'll act first here, but we want to ensure iran will engage. >> i was going to say who is going to blink first. mike memoli, thank you for that. state side the race for virginia's next governor is neck and neck in a new fox news poll. glenn youngkin up 8 percentage points. a "washington post" poll has
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mcauliffe leading by 1. chris jansen is at a swing left event in virginia. chris, what are you hearing from the viewers? >> reporter: i got to tell you i was just at a poling place. there's an intensity on the ground that you don't see in off-year elections. this is getting national attention. two, if you aggregate all the polls you see this race is less than 1 percentage point separating the two candidates which is probably why we're bringing out folks here. these are all various grassroots organizations out today. people are coming through the parking lot. you see groups of people here ready to go door to door, including folks from swing left which is where david is from. how many doors have you knocked on? what about phone calls and
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letter writing? >> great to be here. to date we've knocked on 40,000 doors. >> just in virginia? >> just in virginia. we're seeing a level of enthusiasm of folks coming out of the woodwork. people understand the urgency and what's at stake. we've been working closely with coordinated groups to make sure we're funneling in as many groups as possible. >> there were like 50 people in line at the early voting site this morning. we keep hearing about this enthusiasm. this is a heavily democratic area. i wonder what you're seeing. there's a sense and a worry within the democratic party that the republicans have so much more enthusiasm, that the democrats are exhausted and don't have donald trump every five minutes tweeting to get them fired up. >> so what we're seeing on the swing left side of things compared to 2019 or volunteers
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have made 3 1/2 more phone calls than in 2019. we've written a million letters. >> a million letters? >> a million letters. something for me that's really interesting is that post pandemic democrats had to shift when it came to how we could talk to voters. we had to adapt. a big part of that came through a hybrid campaign. we're not seeing big crowded indoor rooms. we're seeing people get involved with phone calls, letter writing, sms. while we don't see crowded rooms, it's because we're taking the pandemic seriously. we're making sure there are as many people talking in a safe environment as possible. >> i know you want to get people launched. you have several hours of canvassing ahead of you. >> thank you. >> reporter: when you have a race that's this tight, every
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voter contact can make a difference. the numbers of people who vote, you know this, alex, they don't tend to come out. the candidates themselves, terry mcauliffe going to 19 cities, youngkin continuing his campaign, a bus tour, five stops. he's been doing 50 stops over ten days. this is going to be without a doubt, alex, a push to the finish in a race that's within the margin of error. too close to call. >> you're 100% right. my apologies, i believe i tossed to you and said how are the viewers already. i meant to say voters. thank you so much, chris. we'll see you later. the race in virginia could come down to a handful of counties. steve kornacki explains why several are so crucial and why it gives both parties an early indication of how 2022 may play
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out. >> reporter: we are just days away. all eyes on virginia. terry mcauliffe, can he hold off glenn youngkin? the polling looking tight. let's look at the state of play in virginia. what we're going to be looking at within virginia as this map starts to light up on tuesday, you're seeing how things ended up in virginia in 2020. biden carried the state big over donald trump, a 10-point win for biden over trump in virginia. it's one of the reasons democrats are surprised to find themselves in a close race in virginia. this was a 10-point biden state. one of the reasons why virginia became a double digit win for democrats, it's in one state capturing the story of the political shift of the trump era. basically, not every county in virginia during donald trump's presidency moved towards the democrats. some counties moved dramatically
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toward the democrats, dramatically away from trump. other counties moved toward trump, toward the republicans. the math worked in the democrats' favor. i want to show you these two different dynamics. we're calling these the trump backlash counties of virginia. these are the places that moved the most dramatically in the trump era away from republicans. doesn't look like a lot in terms of land area. look in northern virginia, right outside of washington, d.c. there's 2 million people in the counties in the area that is are blue on the map. it's almost a quarter of the entire state population. they're lighted up blue here. these are trump backlash areas. what does that mean? here's loudin county. 400,000 people outside of washington, d.c. in 2020 biden won by 25 points
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over trump. here's how that changed -- go back to 2012. 2012 was the last presidential election before donald trump. back in 2012 republicans were competitive in loudin county. mitt romney lost by only 4 points to barack obama. donald trump comes along in 2016. four years of trump as president now republicans lose it by 25 points in the span of just eight years. republicans went from being competitive in loudin county to getting blown out. that's with a we're calling about when we say trump backlash areas. fairfax county, more than 1 million people. this is the biggest county in virginia. trump lost 70 to 28%. roll back the clock to the pre-trump election.
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this was a democratic county, but only 20 points. barack obama beat romney by 20 points. enormous implications statewide. that's how democrats were able to get their margin up in virginia. they were making huge gains in fairfax and loudon and a few other places. can the republicans make inroads? can they win back the support before donald trump came along? can they arrest the donald trump backlash in these places? that's what greg youngkin needs to do. republicans are going to be paying close attention. if glenn youngkin can show a path to winning back the republican support in the suburbs, if he can show a way to do that in virginia, they'll
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think here's a road map for how to do it nationally. if republicans are going to get back the house in 2022, they'll have to do that in suburbs all across the country. that's a big test tuesday night. virginia has high population areas where there was a huge backlash against donald trump. that's one of the tests. we're paying close attention to that. >> we are. thanks to you as well, steve. biden's build back better plan, what's in it and why a lot of people might like it, next. . the journey is why they ride. when the road is all you need, there is no destination. uh, i-i'm actually just going to get an iced coffee. well, she may have a destination this one time, but usually -- no, i-i usually have a destination. yeah, but most of the time, her destination is freedom. nope, just the coffee shop. announcer: no matter why you ride, progressive has you covered
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president biden came to our caucus. we heard from him. he outlined his vision for transforming the lives of so many americans in this country. the votes on the progressive
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side are there for this bill and we believe that it could be voted on and passed within the next week. >> perhaps while the president participates in the g-20 summit overseas that could happen. the deal making is still the focus in washington. democrats continue to advance biden's legislation. dozens of progressives are standing firm of needing a finalized reconciliation package. joining me now is congresswoman kim shriner. she is also a pediatrician. we have covid-related questions as well. thank you for joining me. what did the president say about his new plan in that meeting with the democrats? i'm curious about the specifics of his message and his demeanor. >> it was a very exciting visit
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from the president. he came from to announce to all of us that he struck a deal that will get support from all 50 senators. ultimately that was the hurdle we were trying to get past. we have tremendous support in the house for both bills we're looking to pass. this was a review of what is in this bill and a celebration of how this will pull us out of the recovery mode from the pandemic and launch our economy and help our families. it was an exciting visit and a real framing in the importance as well. >> here's something exciting. we are just getting word from nbc news. there could be a vote on both bills taken on tuesday. have you heard anything about that? >> i have heard the wheels are
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in motion to hopefully have a vote this week. frankly it cannot come soon enough for me, for my constituents, for the country. the president pointed to something really important that i want to highlight, which is there's a fundamental struggle in the world right now with democracy on one side and authoritarianism on the other. in his view and in my view the ability for our democracy to come together to make this transformative change and to be a model for the world about how you can bring great ideas together and make transformative change is win for democracy overall. it cements our leadership in the world. >> amen to that. let me talk about some of the things as we look at the build back better framework. it includes universal pre k,
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elder care, the child tax credit. somethings that didn't make it in paid family leave, free community coverage, expanded medicare coverage. let's start with what's in the bill. how do you think your constituents will react to what they are getting? >> my constituents will be overjoyed. we need to step back and look at the wins. if we just passed universal pre k, something that i as a pediatrician have been talking about for years, that would be a monumental change and changes the trajectory for children to realize their full potential. any one of these components, home health care, child tax credit, universal preschool, over $500 billion for climate,
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these are transformational. >> indeed. what about those things that have been dropped with the bill? what do you think would be most disappointing? are you confident democrats will address those things separately at some point? >> i would say first our ambitious goal was a $3.5 trillion bill. it has been cut to half that size. inevitably somethings had to be cut out. for myself as a mom, as a pediatrician, i look at the paid family leave as being a really, really important element i would like to see us continue to pursue to keep up with the rest of the world. i know how much of a difference this makes for children and babies and bonding and early childhood development. i really know we'll continue to pursue that. we're not done. >> as i mentioned, you're a pediatrician. you though what's coming with
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the fda authorizing pfizer's vaccine for kids 5 to 11. shots could begin as early as next week. as a pediatrician, would you vaccinate your kids without concern? >> 100% i'm totally on board. you may remember i have a 13-year-old son. when he was 12, the vaccines were approved. he got it back in either may or super early june. he was able to go to summer camp because he got vaccinated. this is a win for so many children and i know parents are excited. i will be going to school vaccination sites and giving shots. >> i remember your son and the games you would attend, you would be the only parent there wearing a mask. i remember you talking about that in your challenge and struggles with that. nonetheless all good news.
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frustration is growing in the weigh of the deadly shooting during the filming of the movie "rust." the woman in charge of all the guns onset a central figure in the investigation is now speaking out. she's dodging the blame and
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pointing to the production staff. let's go to emily who is joining us now from los angeles. emily, what is the armorer saying now? >> reporter: certainly a lot of back and forth in this case. the armorer's lawyer says difficult for hannah gutierrez reed to focus on her job because she was hired for two positions. the sheriff's office saying her statement raises more questions than answers. defense are up as people on the set of "rust" begin pointing fingers. lawyers representing hannah gutierrez reed say she has been slandered writing she has no idea where the live rounds came from. the sheriff says they need to hear more. >> we appreciate the statement given by ms. gutierrez reed. it raises more questions than answers. >> reporter: authorities saying the 24-year-old along with
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assistant dave halls at the center of the investigation. they handled a revolver like this one before giving it to alec baldwin. as a weapons expert, is it hard to fathom how the armorrer doesn't know how the live ammo ended up in the revolver? >> that's unimaginable to me. >> reporter: her attorneys saying she fought for training, but was overruled. gutierrez reed never worked in both positions at the same time the production company says. >> there's too many things that went wrong here to blame on one
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person. that's what happened in the brandon lee shooting death in 1993. carolina investigators concluded there was plenty of negligence. >> reporter: the tragedy now having widespread impact. abc's cop show "the rookie" announced it will no longer allow live weapons onset with 80,000 people signing a petition to ban them industry wide. >> why would you bring a live gun onset when you could use a prop gun? >> reporter: new mexico's governor calling for safety protocols by the industry. alex? >> emily, thank you for that report. we'll bring in david henderson, former prosecutor and the cnbc contributor. david, i want to ask about the "rust" movie set investigator.
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officials are zeroing in on the assistant director and armorer. they're looking at this with a possible involuntary manslaughter charge. how do you see this playing out? >> i think what they're doing is right. any time an innocent person is killed, there should be a serious investigation. with regard to seeing criminal charges, i think it's highly unlikely. involuntary manslaughter happens when you're committing a low level crime that results in someone's death without malice, like driving while intoxicated. it can happen if without due caution it can lead to death. i don't think it's likely to happen in this case. >> the word negligence, if someone is not found to have done their job, i'm not saying that's the case, where it to be
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proven, how can that play into a level of responsibility or criminal charges? >> i think it plays into a level of responsibility. you're hitting the nail on the head there. in a civil case if you have a duty to someone and due to negligence you do not uphold that duty and it's foreseeable that harm will result, it will be pursued. you have to have criminal intent for criminal charges. can you charge involuntary manslaughter? yes, you can. any good prosecutor knows a jury will not convict. >> a luge in the kyle rittenhouse trial said a judge cannot use the word victims. if the argument is that the victim is a loaded word, why is it other words are allowed?
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>> this is a hard one for me, alex. the judge got the first part of the ruling right and the second wrong. the reason you can't refer to people as victims is because rittenhouse hasn't been convicted yet. calling people victims, it confuses the jury about the law. the problem with saying you can call people rioters and looters is that it misleads the jury on the law by suggesting that's relevant to rittenhouse's claim of self defense, and it isn't. he had no right to shoot and kill anyone. it was a terrible ruling for a catastrophic case. >> we'll be following it closely. david, thank you for weighing in. tony morrison's novel "beloved" is becoming a big issue in the virginia governor's
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a new twist in virginia is putting an argument racism front and center in the final days of the governor's race. the republican candidate is rehashing an old attack on the novel "beloved." that book won the pulitzer prize for literature. one parent pushed to ban it in
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schools. the legislation was vetoed by governor terry mcauliffe. joining me now is the director of the african american policy reform. welcome. it's good to have you join me. >> so great to be here. >> let me ask you about the parent who pushed to ban the book and the gop camp framing this as a parents' rights issue. democrats are saying it's censorship and a racist dog whistle. critical race theory is not taught in virginia schools. why do you think they want this book banned? >> alex, the reality is that the banning of toni morrison's book along with -- we have to remember it's one of many books they want to ban. they want to ban books by brian
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stevenson called "just mercy" about racism and the death penalty. they want to ban in some places even martin luther king. this is the moment where that dog whistle has become a bull horn. we've been saying for a year this isn't about critical race theory. it isn't about the course. it's about critical ideas about our racial past. it's about the actual experiences, the ugly side of american history that gave rise to the civil rights movement, that gave rise to amazing works of fiction like toni morrison, one of the most decorated writers of the 20th century. what it's really about is the idea that to expose our young students, to expose new generations to what our past has been is to, in fact, harm them. i have to tell you, i come from a long line of teachers. my mom was a teacher for 50
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years. what teachers do for very little pay is to open up possibilities for the future. letting children know what they can be by letting them know where our country has been. the fact that teachers are now the willie horton, the fact that toni morrison is the new willie horton, tells us this is a race-baiting campaign. anyone who has been sitting on the fence or think they don't know how to weigh in, you know what this is. we've seen this before. the only question is will it continue to work? >> to your point, dana williams wrote this, she said it's more than a dog whistle. it's evidence of how petrified this nation is of its past, especially when that past challenges american myths of freedom and justice for all. do you think fear plays a role
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in the pushback against teaching the truth about slavery? >> i think there's fear at different levels. let's be honest, we have not yet fully grappled with our histories of enslavement, nor have we grappled with our histories of genocide. this is just not something that has often been taught at school. most of this controversy is about a couple books here and there. to hear some of the critics-- the way they talk about it it will lead parents to think that every day we're dealing with this past. in fact, we don't deal with it as much as we should. the reality is there is recognition that fear is one of the most dominant drivers of political behavior. fear of the other. fear of loss. the grievance about the idea that the diminished
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overrepresentation of some stories in history spells the end of the democracy as we know it. here's what is so awkward, weird and just mind blowing. the real threat to democracy is what happened on january 6th. the real threat to democracy is not telling the truth about who won the presidential election. what they really are doing is deflecting. they're showing people -- they're pointing to that scary other and on the other hand they're robbing us blind of democracy we have a right to. now the question is are voters going to go for that? our hope is voters wake up and recognize that education is one of the most important things. they wake up to the fact that someone is trying to steal our democracy. it's not the teachers in american classrooms. it's not writers like toni
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morrison. >> how about this being dredged up in the last days of the virginia governor's race, how do you feel about that? >> one of the things that's encouraging is it shows the dog whistle, the we're going to attack critical race theory, isn't working as well as they thought. now they have to be clear. we want you to know the concepts and ideas that you should be afraid of. they're saying what they are. they're saying it's diversity. they're saying it's social justice. they're saying it's writers like toni morrison. they're hoping that those voters who have been turned off by trump are going to come to their defense. they're hoping other voters are confused. it's a gamble for them to say, no, this is what we mean. we want an award winning author, someone who -- a book that was turned into a movie about the horrors of slavery to be the thing that you -- drives you to
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this breaking news, nbc learning the house plans to vote on both the bipartisan infrastructure bill as well as the $1.75 trillion reconciliation bill on tuesday. joining me now the democratic strategist and former campaign consultant for joe biden and elizabeth warren and the adviser to the democratic congressional campaign committee. how big a deal is this now that progressives seem to be on board? >> it's a really big deal because we know that
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progressives want both these bills at the same time. we don't want to compromise on some of these big social promises that have been taken out of the bill. this is important and will show us where the senators like joe manchin and kristen cinema stand. >> kurt, your interpretation of where this bill stands? it seems a big deal to me. we knew it had to come to an agreement at some point, but what do you think has changed? >> well, ultimately the process worked the way it's designed to. this is complex major spending, historic spending and that's going to take time to sort out. at the end of the day the big headline is democrats delivered. they delivered on the promise to make health care more affordable for millions of families.
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they delivered on the promise to make child care more accessible and reachable for millions of families. they delivered on the promise to deal with climate change and put us on a path to meet the climate goals put forward. every dollar being spent to support these programs, these wildly popular programs among the entire american electorate, are opposed by the majority of republicans in congress. every dollar spent would not have gone this way if republicans controlled washington. even though it may not be everything everybody wanted, it's a significant downpayment on a major investment in this country and that is a reminder to voters what's at stake in 2022, what democrats can deliver if they have the reins of power and grow our majority in the
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house and protect it in the senate. if you give us more democrats in office, we can get a lot more done. >> i was wondering, when you have something like this that will benefit so many americans, does not matter if you're a democrat or republican, i always wonder what is going through republicans' minds. is it just that you don't want to give joe biden a win? honestly, if you look at your constituents and see the popularity -- we're giving you a look right now at president biden leaving church there in rome. that's exciting, given the fact he's met with the pope earlier. i wonder about the real motivation for these things. i'll leave that as a rhetorical question. i want to ask with the president having faced a series of challenges, inflation, covid, how big of a win do you think this would be for the biden administration overall? what kind of impact will it have, not just for the
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president, but for democrats as we head into the midterms? >> oh, it's an historic achievement that will go down in history in helping the american people. more importantly in 2022 our midterm strategy has to run on the progress we've made, the promises we delivered on, what we've done for the american people. this trump rhetoric gets exhausting. we want something to motivate us. the best way to shore up our ground game is to run on something we've accomplished. there are some pieces like climate and paid leave wanted to be part of this bill, but there's so many pieces that are going to impact the lives of not just democrats, but independents, swing voters, even republicans. to your point is why republicans don't want us to be successful. it will show that democrats can get something done and move towards a country that is
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working for the american people. >> hey, kurt, i want to get local with you. you spent the last couple weeks in virginia. you've been campaigning with the democrats in this upcoming governor's election. the polling shows the race is neck and neck. how will biden's plan potentially impact this election? >> well, i think it only helps. unlike the republicans, democrats like terry mcauliffe have been able to provide virginia voters with a tangible idea of what we're fighting for, what our agenda is. republicans seem to spend all their time saying no and playing in the politics of fear. i don't know what they're for except giving millionaires and billionaires tax breaks. i was at an event in arlington this morning with dnc chairman jaime harrison firing up voters. i've been in a lot of campaign
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ness my life. to see the turn out we're seeing now, you don't always see that. that's a good sign from the democratic party side they're checked in. they're engaged. in an off year election, coming off the circus that was 2020, everything we saw, so many people are tired. they're fatigued and exhausted. what's encouraging is what i've seen in arlington, charlottesville, fairfax, democrats are showing up. they're participating. they're enthusiastic about voting for terry mcauliffe. when you look at elections, you look at what your side is doing and who is participate and if the energy is there. from what i've seen it is. i think it will bode well for democrats on tuesday. >> a positive note to end the discussion. thank you both. there is one team in sports getting attention for what it has not yet done that many have done. now the city and team are in one
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