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if it's friday, as president biden meets with world leader abroad, divisions in his party have delayed the agenda at home. the democrats all want a deal but don't have it nailed down. it comes as democrats in virginia could use a boost. it's a tossup with four days to election day in a race being watched for much more than just two wins the governor's mansion. we're live on the ground ahead. and later, firefighters, police officers, and other new york city workers have just hours to go before a vaccine mandate goes into effect or risk losing their jobs as the city prepares for a possible shortage of first responders. welcome to "meet the press daily". i'm garrett haake. a deal is in sight for
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democrats. that's for sure. how much it will help the party politically, that's a lot less sure. the good news for democrats right now is that president biden as he begins his trip abroad, is nearing the finish line on nearly $3 trillion worth of agenda items here at home. as the dust settles on a topsy turvy, mixed up 24 hours, it's clear virtually every democrat wants to get to yes on these deals. progressives endorse the president's reconciliation framework. manchin says he's okay with the size of it. sinema is finally talking directly with house democrats. there's a widespread agreement on the left that failure is not an option. and biden reminded his party behind closed doors yesterday that their congressional majorities and his presidency are on the line. but the bad news for democrats is there is no deal yet. and that leaves biden in europe for a big climate change summit without congressional signoff on his climate agenda. it leaves the white house without a key victory at a moment where they badly need
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some wins as the president's approval ratings continue to decline. and it leaves democrats in virginia twisting in the wind in a governor's race where republicans seem to have all the momentum. a new fox poll out of virginia has glen youngkin up 8 points. eight points of terry mcauliffe. that poll is an outlier, but even if the poll is off by ten, it's still a tossup race. and tossup is where the new washington post poll has this contest. this is a dead heat. and there's also the political reality facing democrats that passing a huge piece of legislation ahead of a president's first midterm cycle isn't always the political life preserver the party in power hopes it will be. democrats found that out the hard way after passing the affordable care act and then republicans learned the sam lesson after signing in trump's tax reforms. the party in power got hammered hard in the following midterms.
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democrats have a lot of work ahead of them. joining me to break it down, kelly o'donnell is following president biden in rome. congratulations, kelly, on your new title from one senior to another, and ali is on capitol hill. ali, i'll start with you. the president's visit on capitol hill yesterday, obviously it did not create the surge of momentum that democrats were necessarily looking for. but it does seem like maybe it broke the dam. is the feeling now on the hill that this is a matter of when, not if, that bbb framework passes as a build back better law? >> yeah. garrett, i think that's the right read on the week we've had on the hill. it's not a matter of if, but when. and the when is really a sliding target. we've heard progressives even at the beginning of this week say if this took a little bit longer than before the president went overseas, they were fine with that because they want to get it right. what yesterday was in some ways was a reduction of the argument we've seen before. progressives holding the line to
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maintain their leverage on the larger social spending package. it's also a new era in terms of where the negotiations stand, because although progressives still held the line and prevented the bipartisan infrastructure vote yesterday, they also managed to show that we have a clearer picture of what's in this bill than eve ever had before. there is an actual framework here. what happens with that actual framework is where this story is going to go next. we've heard from a congresswoman that dozens of members within her caucus need more than just a text. they need assurances from the senators on the other side of the this equation to say that they will back this framework in the senate. when you talk about the hangover from 2010 and obama care, it's less the democrats in the house think they're going to be punished for what's in the bill and more for the fact that they don't want to get left hung out to dry by the senate. so that trust deficit is manifesting in the pause on the bipartisan infrastructure bill actually coming to a vote in the house. but what we're probably going to
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see next week is more movement on this, and as one republican -- as one democratic congresswoman told me yesterday as they were leaving, she has good vibes for november, take that to mean what you will. >> frameworks aren't laws. vibes aren't frameworks, but it goes together here. kelly o., the president, our reporting is never really made the hard sell for a vote yesterday, and he didn't get one. what's your reporting say about whether or not that was the plan, and what's the white house's thinking, what's their -- what are the vibes the white house is feeling as the president is in europe now after what happened yesterday and what didn't happen on the hill? >> well, i'm struck by today and yesterday both having similar themes. faith and friction. president biden is counting on democrats to come along. he didn't put the hard close on the house democrats. expecting they will, in fact, deliver for him. he didn't get it in the timeline that he wanted. the friction is there to be
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sure. he would have liked to have had more to show for it. here in rome, faith demonstrated through his meeting with the pope, perhaps that fulfilled a little bit of the spiritual deficit that he might have needed and there's been friction in some of the meetings he's had already with president macron of france and other meetings. and does that lack of a deal back in the united states effect the meetings he'll have going forward? so for the white house, what they have argued is that the world stage understands that what's happening in washington can be read by other world leaders. politicians know politics. they understand that there is a long lead here. it has been many months of negotiation and the arc of this appears to be in the going in the president's favor. that can be part of the negotiations. it would have strengthened the
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president's hand to have achievable things as he tries to talk to other world leaders to get their buy in. as much as they're encouraged, it would have been better for the president to have this done. also, it would have freed up oxygen to move onto other topics. when he returns to washington and to free up what democrats back home need as well. so in many ways, the president has to compartmentalize here. what is happening in d.c. needs to stay there as he focuses on new topics. is there a drag on his momentum here? perhaps. that's something we're watching very closely. >> all right. kelly, thanks. i think terry mcauliffe across the river in virginia may be the person most upset about the timing about how this has played out. we'll talk about that later in the show. ali, i have to ask about retirement news out of the house today. one of the two republicans on the january 6th committee, one of a handful of outspoken critics left in the republican party when it comes to former president trump said he'd not running for reelection.
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he had poignant words announcing the decision. let's listen. >> it's in this day to prevail or survive, you must belong to a frieb. our political parties only survive by appealing to the most motivated and the most extreme elements within it. and the price tag to power has skyrocketed. dehumanizing each other has become the norm. we've taken it from social media to the streets. >> you know, one thing kinzinger department talk about is the redistricting in illinois put him in a tough spot had he chose ton run for reelection. what do you think his retirement means for this congress overall, and for the potential next congress which will look a lot trumpier no matter how you slice it? >> will look a lot trumpier because while kinzinger was one of the casualties of redistricting, there are plenty of other states across the country controlled by republicans in this process, and
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they're doing the opposite of what's happening in illinois, bolstering the republican districts. there are implications to the larger restricting conversation that are important for the next congress and the congress after that and the congress after that. it's a shoring up for both political parties that they can keep the seats and then continue to keep winning them. for kinzing her, though, it's also part of the conversation about what it means to be a republican in the post trump era. and it's hard not to read this in any other way other than he's the second of the ten republicans who voted to impeach the president for his role in the january 6th insurrection. he's the second of those republicans to resign his seat and retire. the first of them anthony gonzalez in ohio. all right. kelly and ali, thank you both. joining me is one of the 50 senators who have to agree to the framework. senator, first, what are your topline thoughts on this framework? a lot of stuff to like in this bill if you're a democrat. but some priorities left out.
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are you a yes on this if this framework could be voted on today? >> well, i support the framework. i think it embodies the goals of the build back better program of joe biden. but at the same time, on immigration, on family leave, on prescription drug pricing, we have to continue to advocate until this final text, actual language to fill in the framework is completed. so the framework is actually excellent, but it can be improved, and we're going to continue to advocate for that improvement until that bill finally reaches joe biden's desk. >> one of your colleagues who we've all been puzzling over the last couple weeks seems to want more work on this bill, too, that's joe manchin. he tweeted yesterday as we work through the next of the legislation, i hope we'll continue to deal in good faith and do what's right for the future of the american people. president biden wants democrats to trust that joe manchin and
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kyrsten sinema are on board for this framework. do you believe joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are on board for this framework? >> again, the framework isn't outlined. it's like the frame of a house, but you have to fill in the rest of the house before it is completed. that's what we're in the process of doing. that's what the actual legislative text is all about. that's what joe manchin is talking about, looking at the text. so we have to continue to work with senator manchin in good faith toward the goal of completing the actual language. remembering that the devil and the angels are in the text. and so we have to understand fully what is going to be included, and continue to negotiate both with senator manchin and with senator sinema. but i think we can do it. i think we have a real pathway now to completing this legislation. we just have to work out the remaining details. and i think that a big historic
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success is potentially within our grasp within the next couple weeks. >> how should we in the rest of the political world look at what happened yesterday? how important was this marker from the white house? even if it's not a bill to say this is what we believe will pass? >> well, it was historic. for example, i'm very concerned about climate change. the legislation has $555 billion to deal with the climate crisis? and, again, young people all across our country rose up in 2020 as an incredible political powerful force. and this bill vindicates all of their efforts. ten-year tax breaks for all clean energy technologies. a civilian climate call i've been advocating for is in there that will employ hundreds of thousands of young people in our country. a climate bank that i've been fighting for that will unleash 2 $00 billion of additional
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investment in clean energy technologies. so on climate, on so many other issues, this bill is historic. and compared to anything we've ever done in our history, really, you have to go back to the new deal in franklin roosevelt's era to find anything that's comparable. >> this passes your much repeated no climate no deal test? >> yes. when president biden is talking to other world leaders in glasgow next week, he'll be able to say confidently that the combination of what's in the framework of this bill and what he can do in the executive branch, increasing fuel economy standards with the vehicles we drive, for example, that the united states will reduce the greenhouse gases by 50% by the year 2040. that's the kind of negotiating leverage that will help him with other countries in the world. >> senator, you wrote this
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morning that traveling to glasgow without a sealed deal on climate action would be an abdication of our responsibility to the next generation. a generation that's taking to the streets in countries around the world. is this an abdication? >> well, i do believe that president biden is completely committed to all the provisions in this bill. and so i think to the extent to which president biden needs to have something that he can point to with the leaders and the rest of the world, what we now have is, in fact, all that he's going to need to deliver a very powerful message that the united states is back as a leader and not a laggard. that we're not preaching temperance from the bar stool. we're going to be doing it ourselves and expect the rest of the world to follow our leadership. >> all right. senator, a leading voice on the climate issues, thank you for coming on and talking about it with us today. >> glad to be on. thank you. up next, we're on the ground in virginia with four days
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welcome back. the lack of a done deal on capitol hill this week could have some ripple effects across the potomac in virginia. voters will decide between terry mcauliffe and glen youngkin as governor four days from now. two polls show how prekars the race is for democrats in a state joe biden won by ten. a poll shows youngkin ahead by eight. a washington post has mcauliffe up by just one point. i am joined by people both covering the race. forget whether there's a vote on biden's agenda.
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what about the build back better agenda? >> there is no question the women here in virginia, the same suburban women who vaulted democrats to power in 2017 today are much more fatigued. they say they care just as passionately about the issues, but they don't see washington getting the job done. we sat down with a cross section of these women, actually, and here's a little bit of what they had to say. >> gun control is a huge issue that i'm really passionate about. that i feel really strongly. >> for me the biggest issues are public education and gun safety laws. my kids go to public school. i attended public school. my mom taught for 30 years in public school. it's important. and most kids in virginia go to public school. so it's something we need to invest in. >> i'll be voting for glen youngkin, and education is the top issue of why. i think virtual schools didn't do any kids any favors.
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i think it's important for in person quality school. >> i grew up in texas. a lot of the things that are going down in texas and some of the other southern states concern me. voting rights, women's reproductive rights. those things really concern me. >> reporter: so garrett, democrats do have a pretty big voter registration advantage here, but the question is with president trump no longer in power, that was a big referendum for them in 2017 when they waited in those long lines. are they going to do that again this time? >> right. that was the first opportunity for so many frustrated democrats to come out and vote anywhere against donald trump in some capacity. garrett, the yurngen campaign is trying to walk a tight rope when it comes to trump. at arm's length, but use him to fire up supporters. what's their feeling as they look at the polls that have
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them, i have to think, exactly where they want to be in the closing days of the campaign? >> reporter: yeah. it really is a fine line. youngkin is walking that fine line between being conservative republican and not too conservative or too republican. and, of course, in virginia in the commonwealth of virginia, they can't win the election of governor by just getting the bluest of the blues or the reddest of the reds. you really need the people in the middle. and the issue when i talk to voters that republicans are saying that they care the most about, more than the economy, more than the environment, more than the second amendment, is education. and namely, critical race theory. it has become a one issue race when it comes to the republican side of critical race theory. i think that's something that's interesting. another point i've noticed from voters is the idea that many of them, republicans, they've already voted. there's 45 days of early voting here in the commonwealth, and unlike in 2020 when you had national republicans saying don't early vote, vote on election day, you've got yurngen who wrapped up behind me saying
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get out and vote today. go to the polls and make that happen. he's also suggesting that his supporters go and register and volunteer to become poll watchers to make sure that the election runs smoothly. >> forget just 2020. every election i've ever covered the rule was always that democrats voted early. republicans didn't. the pandemic has changed that. i think in a lot of ways. it's going to be an interesting dynamic. in the a little bit of time, does the mcauliffe campaign feel hung out to dry by people on this side of the potomac that they didn't get more to help with the closing message in sn what are they trying to close with now? >> reporter: there's no question they would have preferred to have this deal. however, the democrats are doing what they can within their power. they're bringing in the heavy hitters like president obama. both the bidens, the house majority whip clyburn will be here this weekend, and they say at this point it really is about
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turnout. look, democrats have a 4 50,000 voter registration advantage here. and they're hoping that those suburban women among other blocks that turned out big time for them in 2017 are still going to be passionate about the issues, especially when you see what's happening for instance in texas with women's reproductive health. they look at the way covid is being handled in some of the other republican run states, garrett, and they don't want that to happen here. so even though they say they're fatigued, every single one of them who i talked to said i'm tired, but yeah, i'm going to vote. >> all right. fascinating stuff. it's going to be an interesting one to watch. heidi and gary, thank you both. our special hosted by chuck and kristen welker is streaming on our channel nbc news now. and turning now from the race to be virginia's next governor to the fate of new
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york's former governor. cuomo has been charged with forcible touching according to documents filed in albany city court yesterday. that's a misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail or three years of probation. he's scheduled to appear in court next month. according to the complaint, the former governor touched the alleged victim at the governor's mansion last december. the albany county sheriff filed the complaint but the county district attorney whose office would have to prosecute the case said he was surprised to learn what the office had done. this confusion between the sheriff and the da proves the case against the governor is political, his lawyer says. it was filed more than two months after the new york attorney general filed a 165-page report detailing assault or harassment allegations against cuomo by 11 different women. cuomo denied many of the allegations laid out in the report but resigned a week later amid pressure from democrats including president biden.
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the city's roughly 160,000 workers would have to get their first vaccine dose by 5:00 today for be placed on unpaid leave starting on monday. tens of thousands of employees from agencies including the fdny -- trash collections have already slowed down ahead of today's deadline leading to heaping garbage pileups across the city. all of this raises questions over whether the big apple will face a staffing crisis and what one would look like. joining me with the latest is kathy park. so kathy, what are the city department leaders saying about the mandate and what the city might look like or smell like come monday? >> reporter: hey, garrett. well, i will begin with the mayor. he's actually hopeful that more people will get vaccinated in the next couple hours. . as you mentioned the mandate is
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at 5:00 p.m. tonight where people have to get at least one dose of the vaccine, and the reality is if they don't, they won't be getting a paycheck come monday morning. we have received new numbers. the numbers are trending upward as far as vaccination numbers go. more than 12,60 0 people have received at least that one dose of the vaccine since the mandate was announced. but the reality is that 33,000 city workers have not been vaccinated and that is a big concern. thousands of emergency responders including officers as well as firefighters remain unvaccinated. and yesterday we saw hundreds of firefighters and their supporters outside the mayor's residence. they're outraged and saying they're not against a vaccine. however, they are against the mandate. and they said the reality is we could face a staffing issue come monday morning. take a listen to this.
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>> i've been saying that on november 1st there's going to be a crisis in this city. if 30 % to 40% of city firefighters are sent home, we'll have to close houses. this is going to be a manufacturing crisis. 30% to 40% of the police department will be sent home. >> now, the city has said that there are contingency plans in place in case there are any sort of staffing issues, so there will be mandatory overtime as well as extra shifts to fill in any sort of gaps. so the mayor has assured new yorkers at the city will be safe, and he believes, like i said, the next couple hours things will turn around with more people getting the first dose. >> big test on mandates coming up in new york. kathy park, thank you. and coming up, vaccines for younger kids are almost here. the top pediatrician joins us next to talk about who can get the jab and when. plus questions of safety and side effects. you're watching "meet the press daily". daily"
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welcome back. by this time next week 28 million children between the ages of 5 and 11 could be eligible for pfizer's pediatric vaccine. on tuesday the cdc's advisory will begin a meeting to review data and vote on whether the shots should be recommended and for who. this comes after the fda's independent advisory committee found the benefits of vaccinating kids outweighed the risks earlier this week. the fda is expected to make a decision in the coming days prior to the cdc's vote. if it's approved, pfizer's shot would be the first covid vaccine to hit the market for younger children. joining me to a doctor. what are you looking for in next week's meetings? do you think there's going to be enough data to support
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widespread vaccination kids 5 to 11? >> i thank you so much, and thank you for having me. i think absolutely we'll see what the discussion is, but i think looking at the findings of the fda scientists and the discussion from their advisory meeting, i think we all feel incredibly encouraged that this is a safe and effective vaccine, and for which the benefits really do outweigh the risk. and so we're really looking forward to next week to hear what they say. i think if things go as we expect, we should have a vaccine very soon that's recommended for younger children. >> kids are the largest block left of unvaccinated people in many places. how big of an impact do you think pediatric vaccine could have on the pandemic overall across this country? >> yeah. i mean, your point is very good. right now about a quarter of the new infections with covid-19 are in children. so certainly it could have a big
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impact on ending the pandemic, but i would also say there are tremendous benefits to individual children and their families, and i think as parents that's often what you want to know. you want to see the pandemic end, but you also want to know this is a benefit for your child. i think that's what the data showed us. >> talk to me about what we could see potentially in schools here. i mean, if you've got first shots going into arms next week, are we looking at a potentially different dramatically situation in masking and how schools are conducting business by the spring smeser? >> yeah. i mean, certainly that's the hope. right? but i think the next step is to make sure that parents are able to have their questions answered and they have access to the vaccine. we know there are a lot of parents who are really eager to get this vaccine and some who still have questions. so when we look at the vaccine and take for adolescence, about half have gotten the vaccine.
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we till have work to do there. right now i think one thing that's incredibly important to get to that place in schools is to make it accessible for everyone when it's authorized, and that we're providing that education and opportunities to have your questions answered. >> i'm glad you brought up that idea about half. there's a recent poll that said only about a third of parents said they'd get their kids vaccinated right away. do you see any role for mandates when it comes to vaccinating children, or is that too much of kind of a third rail especially for emergency use authorization approved drug? >> you know, i think certainly this question comes up a lot, and the way we've been thinking about this is really right now we want to focus on answering parents' questions. that's what we are hearing from the surveys is that there's a lot of information out there. some of it's good. some of it's not so good.
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what's really important is to provide those opportunities for parents to have their questions answered so that they can make those decisions for their kids to -- so they can be safe and protected. >> one of the interesting things i thought came out in this fda meeting, the cdc's data said something about 42% of kids between 5 and 11 had some kind of immunity, essentially could have already been exposed or had covid. does that number surprise you? >> yeah. it surprises me a little bit, but maybe not. i think when we think about the arc of the pandemic, particularly early on where testing wasn't as available and we know that overall, this covid can be very serious in children, but for many children, it is milder. so they may not have come in to be tested, and so i think it's very possible that that's true, but i think it's also really
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important to emphasize that regardless of that, you know, we still absolutely recommend the vaccine for anyone who is eligible for it. >> all right. doctor, thank you. this is going to be a moment of such relief for so many parents, i think if and when that decision is made next week. coming up, we go county to county as we continue this week's kickoff to a year-long reporting project at "meet the press". from evangelical voters to latinos west. what's driving the political debate on the ground ahead of the -- midterms? that's next. that's next. their only friend? the open road. i have friends. [ chuckles ] well, he may have friends, but he rides alone. that's jeremy, right there! we're literally riding together. he gets touchy when you talk about his lack of friends. can you help me out here?
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those washoe voters and how they are reacting to what's going on in washington? >> garrett, it's important to understand what this county is like. this used to be a red county and then a lot of people moved here from california. it's turned more blue but it's considered a purple county. one-third republican, one-third democrat, one-third nonpartisan or other. when you analyze the fact that almost 16% of eligible voters here are latino, this is a county that is up for grabs. we've been speaking to some of the voters from those that support the current administration to those that are not happy with what is happening in washington. this is what they had to say. >> so much crap into it, but yeah, we -- infrastructure, start burying power lines. do what we do in other countries. want to make something happen, not any of the social stuff.
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>> reporter: he says all hispanics want immigration reform. so that was the most important issue for him. he's waiting for immigration reform, and that's the reason why he selected the candidate that he chose. >> reporter: when you look at what's happening in washington, you have this infrastructure bill that they're trying to put it through. and then some democrats continue to push immigration reform in that bill even though it's very difficult, and this voter is telling us exactly what many of the hispanic voters in washington and other parts of the country are saying, that immigration continues to be one of the main issues on the top of their mind. in all of washoe, housing and the economy are also very important to voters. >> yeah. i can't tell you how many campaign events i've covered in reno or sparks, somewhere in that county.
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it's a fast changing area. >> where you are, voters are different. what are you hearing about the priorities there? what do they think about what's going on with the negotiations in washington? >> reporter: this county is about as red as you can get. president -- former president donald trump won this county last cycle with 80% of the vote. that was while the population was declining here. when he was on the ballot, even though the population was declining, voter turnout went up. when you ask people to summarize the political beliefs of people in this community, you tend to hear them say two words. god and freedom. they hate the idea of socialism here, and they genuinely believe and fear that this country is going to become a socialist or communist nation similar to china or cuba, and for them, the things happening in washington, the discussions, the cost of an infrastructure deal of the
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latest spending proposal, that plays into that fear. listen to some of what we've heard. >> reporter: somebody was telling you they feel like a venezuelan like country is not far off here. people say that's absurd. >> yeah. >> reporter: what do you think and do you get the sense there is a genuine concern that this -- >> if you look just a few years ago, we were talking about multibillion dollar bills and people were out of their mind going i can't believe how large this bill is. and now i think today they came out with another one, cap it at 1.75 trillion. >> reporter: garrett, we're not in this county because we think it could potentially flip and turn blue or even purple. we know that this county is going to stay red. but in a newly purple state like georgia, if republicans want to do well in the midterms and take back that senate seat they lost,
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they have to see voters turn out in communities like this. there's been some discussion around this idea that the former president's false attacks on the election claiming that it was rigged, that that could impact his supporters and actually hurt turnout rigged, that could impact supporters and depress turnout in the upcoming election. every single person we've spoken to says they plan to vote. two big issues driving that are their opposition to abortion, this is a very evangelical community, and then their fears that this country is headed in a direction towards socialism which is something they do not support, garrett. >> ellison and guad, thank you both. and coming up, an audience at the vatican unlike any before. the pope and the president. a meet that's just as personal for biden as it is political.
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welcome back. president biden kicked off his foreign trip today with a trip to the vatican and around audience with pope francis. today's one on one lasted nearly 90 minutes and according to the vatican readout, the two discussed far-reaching global issues from poverty to refugees to the covid-19 pandemic. for president biden, only the
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second catholic president, today's meeting with pope francis wasn't just political. it was clearly personal too. in the senate, on the campaign trail, and in the white house, biden has really leaned into his faith even as his views on abortion put him at odds with some catholic leaders in the u.s. ruby kramer has written extensively on the president and his faith. ruby, you've reported on the president's clash with the catholic church in the u.s. over abortion. the president said he didn't talk about abortion today and dodged a question about the u.s. conference of bishops. >> reporter: mr. president, did the issue of abortion come up at all? >> no, it didn't. we just talked about the fact that i was a catholic and i should keep receiving communion. >> reporter: he said you should be receiving communion? >> yes. >> reporter: did you discuss the conference of bishops? >> that's a private conversation. >> you can see the testiness,
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ruby, i know you know the background about how the president views this particular issue. explain it. >> it's just one of the most interesting, complex aspects of his presidency, really, because biden is someone who can't be understood without talking about catholicism, the way he was raised. he loved the institution of the catholic church, the nuns that taught him at school, going to family mass. every other word, sometimes it feels like, is some bidenism that has to do with catholic social doctrine or a saying his dad told him. yet when he's pressed on these issues, like you saw in the video, he's extremely careful with his words, he shuts down a little bit, he's not as voluble as he usually is. he'll often say, that's just my personal life, or like he said, that's a private conversation. he doesn't want to interfere at
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all with the church u.s. hierarchy. and it's sort of odd, a dichotomy between how he publicly expresses his personality as a politician versus his religious views. >> religious voters, particularly evangelicals but also practicing catholics and other religious voters in many cases have drifted away from the democratic party. now you've got biden facing some criticism from catholics that he's somehow not catholic enough because of his stance on abortion. >> right, and the historical context is important because president kennedy, the only other catholic president, was criticized for being catholic and went out of his way to emphasize the separation between church and state and to say that
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he wasn't going to be a catholic president, he was going to be a president who happened to be catholic. biden, 60 years later, is sort of facing in a way the opposite problem. he has a leadership of bishops in this country who have taken the issue of abortion as the sort of preeminent issue of the church and believe that people who are out of step with church teaching on abortion should not participate in its holiest sacrament, the eucharist, the taking of communion. biden is someone who is observant to the point of going to mass every weekend, even though, you know, he's in the white house now, he'll go in dc and oftentimes to his home parish in delaware. the act of him participating in the fundamental rite of the catholic church, there are protesters outside his church almost every time he's there.
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these clashes are sometimes so in your face, his home parish is this sleepy, small little church in a suburb of wilmington and sometimes you hear screams -- not screams, but yelling. it's a visceral, jarring moment to hear strangers yelling at joe biden as he's going in for a sacred moment, "you're not a real catholic," "god saved beau biden's soul," calling out about his son. it is critical, whether or not he wants it to be. >> you really cannot understand joe biden without understanding or trying to understand his relationship with his faith. ruby cramer, you've done a great job, your piece in "politico" magazine is excellent. i've tweeted it for anyone who wants to take a look. thank you all for being with us this hour. we'll be back monday with more "meet the press daily." if it's sunday, it's "meet the
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press" on your local nbc news station. msnbc coverage continues with geoff bennett, my friend, right now. it is great to be with you. i'm geoff bennett. this friday there is high drama from capitol hill all the way to rome. several breaking headlines coming out of president biden's first day in a critical summit with world leaders. first, the president emerged from a private meeting with the pope, telling reporters that francis told him he's a, quote, good catholic and should keep receiving communion. it's a development that obliterates the argument from some conservative american bishops who say anybody who supports abortion rights should be denied communion. straight from his meeting with pope francis, president biden's first face-to-face sit-down with french president emmanuel macron since the united states blindsided the french by going around their backs to cut a massive nuclear subdeal with the uk and australia. when they found

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