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and good friday morning to you. craig melvin here from msnbc world head quarters in new york city. folks, it's a packed hour. president biden is overseas. despite an all out push, his agenda has not yet got an vote in congress. we're also following broking news in congress. one of the two republicans sitting on the january 6th smee, congressman adam kinzinger
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announced he is retires from congress. >> if i ever thought it was time to move on from congress, i would. and that time is now. >> we will unpack what that means for congress, what that means for the january 6th committee, what that means for kinzinger's future as well. meanwhile, as we speak, president biden meeting with top french leaders including president macron. it is their first face to face meeting since france temporarily recalled the ambassador to the united states over the nuclear submarine deal, and it's also fresh off the president's first meeting with the pope as commander in chief. the most powerful catholics in the world under one roof. we'll dig into the significance of that meeting and look ahead to the rest of the presidential trip including a major climate summit. meanwhile, on this side of the atlantic, congressional democrats are scrambling to find common ground on the president's legislative agenda. they have no republican support
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on spending. and they're not all on the same page. yet. we'll break down where things stand and how high the stakes are. then the latest on the saga of alex murdoch. his wife and son for murdered. investigators said he was shot on the side of the highway last month. now he's charged in a crime of insurance proceeds from the death of a woman who worked for the family for years. we talk to someone about a settlement agreement for her death. >> there's something fish shi. i said these boys aren't going to get what is deserved due to them. we'll get to all of that in just a moment. we do start with president biden's trip overseas and the uncertain fate of his economic agenda in washington. ali is on capitol hill. and i'm also joined by robert gibbs, former white house press secretary.
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now a political analyst for nbc news. ali, we'll start with you. with all the action happening on the hill, president biden didn't get the infrastructure deal he wanted before he landed in rome. progressives held the line once again. where do things stand now, ali? >> erie quiet halls of congress. they are gone on the weekend. the house right before they left last night, didn't vote on the thing they wanted to vote on, the bipartisan infrastructure bill. but instead, they voted to extend the surface transportation act, highway funding is one of the key things there. thusly allowing them to kick this can down the road to december third and give themselves the next month to figure out the right way to move forward on these dual tracks of the infrastructure package that has been up here on capitol hill for months now. what happened yesterday was the culmination of a strategy from progressives that they have held over the course of the last few weeks. progressives saying they endorse the framework the white house laid out last night. but they couldn't go any further
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on this until they got more assurances from the senate side. because, craig, this is a conversation that hinges on the tight margins in the house and the senate j but also on trust. and there is a lack of it right now. it's not just id logical, though there is some mistrust between progressives and moderates. it's between the house and the senate. house members i spoke to yesterday incluing the congresswoman who leads the progressive caucus, they said they need to see action from the senate or full-throated assurances from the key senators at the center of this. manchin and sinema. both of the senators withheld any clear support for this framework. instead, saying they wanted to read the text of the bill which is thousands of pages long, and that that's where they stand right now. as long as those are the stakes here, it doesn't seem like progressives are going to be ready to move on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. so that sort of leaves us as a stalemate until they come back next week and try again.
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one congresswoman i spoke to, although the vibe up here has been of frustration, she said she has good vibes for november. >> good vibes. okay. let's bring in kelly o'connell, the newly named senior white house correspondent from rome traveling with the president. kelly o., again, the president having that audience with the pope. right now he's meeting with the french president. amid lingering tensions over the submarine deal. what do we know about the meet ings the president has had today and his agenda for the trip? >> it was probably good that the president got spiritual fulfillment to start his day, meeting with the poen, after coming off that difficult set of negotiations with his own party back home, and not having it quite over the finish line yet. also meeting today with italian
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leaders and we expect the macron meeting to happen soon. hasn't begun just yet. that will be tense. whatever sort of uplifting encounter he had with the pope, their fourth meeting, his first as president of the united states, that will be important to take that kind of energy into the meeting with macron where there have been a serious breach really in the u.s./french relationship over a deal that deals with nuclear submarines and a real cost to the french government based on expectations they had for a 60 plus billion dollar deal with australia for that military equipment. the white house says a lot of work has been done to repair that. at a staff level as well as phone calls with the president. this personal encounter today will be important. we saw that the president and the pope exchanged gifts, had a chance to have a private meeting, and then as two heads of state, of course the pope is not only a faith leader around the world, but he is a head of state for the holy sea, and they
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talked about climate and poverty and covid. and issues that are certainly in common between the u.s. and the holy sea, and people around the world. he carries that into the meetings that will happen here in italy for the g-20, and that will also be an important part of what's happening with the meeting with the french president as well. but dealing with that riff between the u.s. and france is important to get that taken care of before the official g-20 begins here in italy. so a lot of work to do for president biden to mend some relationships, to lean heavily on his faith, and the bond he has with the pope. and to see where he can take whatever momentum came out of the negotiations and some of the breakthroughs that happened among democrats, not a deal yet, but some commitments made among democrats to see if he can leverage that, especially on climate with other leaders around the world to get some advances there where he wants to
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show u.s. leadership at a time when he doesn't necessarily have all the goods to show, but he has some commitments that he says he can deliver on in the weeks ahead. >> robert gibbs, before he left the country, president biden, again, trying to light a fire of sorts under progressives to get this deal done before he left. didn't happen. the infrastructure bill still hanging in the balance as a result. what's the risk here for democrats? robert gibbs, with these self-imposed deadlines, especially when they continue to not meet them? >> well, i think the biggest risk is the longer this takes, the mesier it looks. passing big legislation gets messy, and so i just think that the longer this goes, the more likely the process has become the story and the less likely the substance does. ly say, and i think ali hit the nail on the head, i think there's significant trust issues between the house and the senate. but i think if you look at the
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momentum from yesterday, by the end of the day, the progressive caucus meets with senator sinema. they walk out of that meeting by all accounts pretty confident that the framework that was introduced can pass, and so if i look at the score today versus yesterday, are we more likely to get the deal to president outlined today than we were at the beginning of yesterday? the answer to that is clearly yes. >> i want to ask you about this statement as well, robert gibbs, that we got from former president obama, your former boss. and i think we have an excerpt. here it is. the good news is that it represents the best chance we've had in years to build on the progress we made through my administration and address some of the most urgent challenges of our time. again, president obama endorsing the build back better framework. how big of a deal is it for the former president to endorse this bill? what message is he trying to
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set? >> well, i think he's trying to give a broader message to democrats. and to try to push some momentum forward on this legislation. but i think what former president obama said right there, and i think there are aspects of this legislation which touch on the hallmarks of his administration, particularly in access and affordability around health care. all of those things are in this legislation, and i think the paragraph at the beginning of this was president obama saying change is hard. it takes time. victory usually happens, and then we have setbacks. i think what he's also trying to get democrats both in congress and around the country to understand is that change happens slowly. it doesn't happen at the pace in which we always like it to. but in the end, it's measured by what you get in this legislation, and there's no doubt if i had to describe that framework in one word, it would
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be historic. >> ali, before i let you go, i want to ask you about the news we got about congressman kinzinger retiring. he, of course, vocal critic of former president trump. what do we know about how this could effect the committee? what do we know about what finally led him to decide he'd had enough? >> well, look, this is a result of political realities in washington and also political realities at home for adam kinzinger who was painted late last night into a democratic district because of maps being redrawn in the redistricting process in the illinois legislature. a lot of people were wondering what that would result in for him. and look, that's the at home reality. but the broader national reality is that the republican party is trying to grapple with where its compass lies in the post trump era. kinzinger out of step with the majority of his party. he's one of two republicans on that january 6th commission. he's alongside congresswoman liz
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cheney. to fan of the former president herself. we heard him in the statement reference the fact that he has been someone who has been a trump detractor, not just by being on the committee, but also being one of the ten republicans who voted to impeach the former president for his role in the january 6th insurrection. he referenced that in a lengthy five minute video explaining his retirement. here's how he put it. >> i stand in awe at the courage of the other nine members in the house who voted to impeach a president of their own party knowing it could be detriment tall to their political career. most importantly, i admire those everywhere a put their country above their party in service to their fellow man. >> kinzinger not the first of those ten republicans who voted for impeachment to resign. he is the second, anthony gonzalez of ohio was the first. clearly there is a political toll to having that impeachment vote.
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it's obvious in the party at large, but obvious when you're seeing lawmakers retire and leave congress. >> here's the thing, robert gibbs, you see enough of those kinds of videos, it would seem to lay out a bit of a vision of sorts. do you think we're done hearing from adam kinzinger once he retires, robert gibs? >> i doubt it. i think he's got a bright future as somebody who can talk about it, as he said in there, putting country above party and trying to bridge the policy differences. i think the biggest challenge he had in illinois was illinois lost a congressional district. somebody was going to get put into a district either adam kinzinger with another democrat or running in a tough republican district. but i doubt we've heard the last of it. >> all right. kelly o'donnell with the backdrop of the day. ali, thank you, and congrats on the promotion, kelly. robert gibbs, the photograph over your right shoulder, what
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is that? >> that's a great question. i'm in an office, so i'm not entirely sure, but i think it's of millennial park in chicago. if not, that's what i'm saying it is. but i'm going to go find out exactly what it is. let me tell you this, i'm not in italy. that's all i can tell you. >> all right. sorry to put you on the spot. have a great weekend. thank you all. thank you. coming up, we're going to dig deeper into president biden's agenda. i'll talk to someone who is going to talk about what's holding people back from voting from president biden's agenda. and employees must be vaccinated by the end of today or face unpaid leave. now, the fire department union is warning don't be surprised if there are fewer firefighters and emts to respond to emergencies. s ♪ limu emu & doug ♪
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colin allred. right now nearly every state in the country is seeing a drop in the number of new coronavirus cases. nationwide cases are down 57% since the middle of september. here in new york city today, today marks the deadline for all city workers to show proof of vaccination, or face unpaid leave. that new rule effects roughly 160,000 workers. we're talking about police and firefighters, correctional
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officers who aren't vaccinated. kathy park is in new york city, outside a fire station here. i also want to bring in dr. blackstock. kathy, the fdyn now warning that this mandate could cause 20% of firefighters and emts to leave their jobs. a full fifth of the force. is that bluster? i mean, what more do we know about that warning? >> hey, craig. good morning to you. well, we should know the later on this afternoon at 4:30, we found out the fdny will be holding a press conference. most likely doubling down on their stance. they're warning there is a potential for staffing issues if this mandate goes into effect. but yeah, the mayor is holding firm on this deadline. it's supposed to be 5:00 this
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evening. so we are just hours away, and he initially wanted to push forward with this mandate to boost the vaccination numbers up across all city agencies, and as of this morning, it appears, though, craig, that the numbers are starting to tick up. right now nypd, the number is close to 80%. the department of sanitation, that department has some of the lowest vaccination rates, but a lot of pushback, as you know, ever since the mayor made this announcement. in fact, yesterday hundreds of firefighters were outside of the mayor's residence, expressing their outrage, and they said it's not so much the vaccine itself, but they are against city leaders telling them what to do. and union leaders say there is that possibility come monday of staffing issues. take a listen.
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>> i've been saying that on november 1st, there's going to be a crisis in this city. if 30% to 40% of the firefighters are sent home, we'll have to close houses. this is going to be a manufactured crisis. 30% to 40% of the police department will be sent home. >> reporter: now, the mayor has said that the city does have contingency plans in place in case there are any sort of staffing inadequacies. this includes mandatory overtime and additional shifts to make up for any sort of gaps they may see come next week. but he ensured new yorkers that they will be safe, and he is actually hopeful that in the next couple hours there will be a lot more movement and a lot more people getting the vaccines. >> kathy park outside the fire department in new york city. thank you. dr. blackstock, let's start there. the kaiser family foundation released a survey.
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it found that more than a third of unvaccinated adults say they have left a job because of a vaccine mandate. that translates to just 5% of all adults. what do you make of that? >> right. so thank you so much for having me, craig. i think what we're seeing with the polling is that people say they're going to leave, but ultimately, when these vaccine mandates are implemented, only 5% actually do leave. we saw it here in new york city that among health care workers and department of education workers, that thousands ended up agreeing to be vaccinated right before the deadline. but i do also think it's still important for workplaces to engage in vaccine outreach and education. i think workers need to understand the importance of getting vaccinated. not just to themselves but to their colleagues and to the public. and i think especially for public workers, we know that they interact with the public
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significantly. and they don't have a right to harm the public's health. i think this is a message that really is incredibly important and critical for them to understand. >> the fda advisory panel, as you know, approved the vaccine for kids 5 to 11 earlier this week. we expect the fda decision to come down at some point perhaps even by the end of the day today. when do you expect younger kids are going to be able to start getting shots? next week a possibility? >> yeah. i think by the end of next week is a strong possibility. the cdc's advisory committee, a committee of outside experts, are going to be reviewing safety and efficacy data for the pfizer vaccine on tuesday. usually within hours of that decision j the cdc director will make their recommendation. and so we could see maybe it as early as thursday or friday, the vaccine being available for 5 to 11-year-olds which i think is a game changer.
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we have 28 million of them in this country, and we know at least a third of their parents are interested in getting them vaccinated right away. >> it's going to be great to have so many kids vaccinated before thanksgiving and christmas. nationwide we've seen this pretty consistent drop in new cases. down more than 57% since september 13th. this time last year, we were seeing cases on the rise in a big way ahead of the holiday season. do you get the sense that we really are on the back end of this thing now? >> you know, i would say that we have to be cautious. we have seen these surges and declines before. we don't even know why these declines happen. are they human behavior? is it virus biology? a combination of it? all i know is that we are entering cold weather, dry weather where the virus thrives. people will be indoors more often, and so there are only seven states with indoor mask mandates. we're going to have to be cautious as we head into the winter or else we'll see another
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surge. >> doctor, enjoy the weekend. happy trick or treating to you. >> thank you. >> up next, virginia's razor thin governor's race. on the campaign trail in virginia with early voting underway there. passing president biden's agenda before election day could give mcauliffe a big lift, but right now that's looking grim. democratic congressman colin allred will join me next. when he thinks we could see a vote on the president's agenda. n voiceover: riders. wanderers on the road of life. the journey is why they ride. when the road is all you need, there is no destination. uh, i-i'm actually just going to get an iced coffee. well, she may have a destination this one time, but usually -- no, i-i usually have a destination. yeah, but most of the time, her destination is freedom. nope, just the coffee shop.
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this weekend the final sprint for one of the candidates in the most closely watched cycle. we're talking about the virginia race. mcauliffe and youngkin are holding the face today and on the face. youngkin is about to meet with voters in charlottesville. and mcauliffe is holding an event in alexandria before his i vent tonight with the vice president. for democrats could not be higher specifically for those waiting for next year's midterm election. this is what one voter told nbc news. >> i'm not inspired by the
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democratic party in general. all i see the democrats fighting and calling each other out, and then calling the republicans out. there's no discourse anymore. so what's the point? no one is listening to each other. nothing is happening in congress. the ugliness coming out of washington, why would anyone be inspired by politics anymore? i do it because it's my duty. >> we should point out that was a democratic voter. right now the latest polling average puts the race neck and neck. you can see it there. that's real clear politics average of polls. youngkin with just a slight edge there over mcauliffe right now. terry mcauliffe called on democrats to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill because he thinks it would help put distance between himself and glen youngkin in the polls. this morning it is unclear when that vote will happen. for more on all of it, i want to bring in congressman colin allred, a democrat from texas
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and congressman. always good to see you. in the last hour congressman torez told my kreeg he -- colleague he thinks both bills could be passed by thanksgiving. you said last night you were confident you'd have both bills passed by the end of next week. why are you so sure? >> the president said the next week was critical for his presidency, for what we're doing in congress. so i think that's a deadline that's been set for us by the president. also because we have to get these bills done and we have arrived, i think, at an agreement on the framework for the build back better act that will unlock the bipartisan infrastructure deal. so i think the timing is still on track to get something done next week. >> so it's a done deal at this point? >> well, you know, it's never a done deal until we're actually vote, and it may not even be done until that vote is open. but i think it's very close. and i could not have said that
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to you even 24 hours ago or 48 hours ago. i think we've made a lot of progress in a short amount of time. the main things have been ironed out. and now we just have to have the confidence in each other basically to take the votes. i think we should have voted yesterday on the infrastructure deal. we didn't, but here we are. i think we have a chance to do it next week. >> you're a big proponent of paid family leave. that's not going to make it into the framework of the build back better bill as we understand it. that means the united states will likely continue to be one of six countries without any form of national paid leave. why was that cut out? why is that not in the bill? what happened? >> yeah. we didn't have the votes in the senate. and we had a lot of support for it in the house. we're still pushing for it right now. and who knows? maybe some of our colleagues in the senate will convince senator manchin to come around on paid family leave. you know, as you know, i was the first member of congress to take paternity leave. i think it's incredibly important that we do this. i will say this, though.
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regardless of whether or not it's in this bill, i think we've set a floor for this debate and shown the american people support this policy, that it should get done. i they makes it easier to fight for it in the next bill. this is not the last piece of legislation we pass in this congress. so we're going to keep fighting for that. >> let's talk about voting rights. democrats in your home state, texas, looking to you folks in congress to do something about the restrictive voting laws that have been passed in texas. you tweeted on thursday about the need to pass the john lewis voting rights act. right now as you know, not enough votes to get that through the senate as well. where do you and your colleagues take this particular fight and this current climate? >> yeah. well, we knew that we weren't going to have enough votes to pass the voting rights bill they brought up in the senate over the super majority requirement that the filibuster has imposed. i've said before i don't think a senate rule is more important than our democracy. and so we end up in this alley where our democracy is held
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hostage by the filibuster. and so i've argued and along with my colleagues, that we should have a carveout for voting rights to allow that to get a simple up or down vote. if it has a majority, let it go through, or to go back to a speaking filibuster. after we get past these big pieces of legislation in the build back better agenda, that's where the attention is going to shift to discussing the potential of a rules change to pass one of the voting rights bills. >> congressman allred of texas, thank you for your time. enjoy your weekend. >> thank you. we want to go something we mentioned a short time ago this hour in our report on the vaccine requirements for new york city employees. we said the department of sanitation's vaccination rate was 57%. it's actually 67%. a small error. our mistake. there are so many twists in the mysterious saga of a lawyer, aleck mur mur doc.
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new york governor cuomo. the criminal complaint was filed in albany, new york. it allegedly happened last year at the governor's mansion. his attorney saying, quote, this is not professional law enforcement. this is politics. tom winters is following this investigation. the criminal complaint doesn't name the victim. walk us through what it does reveal. >> it reveals a lot in terms of timeline. this occurred allegedly last
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december. one of the first things i'm thinking about, how can they be so specific? and included in the documents is some of the things they say they have with respect to evidence. and that's included on the bottom third portion of the page. they said they were able to get badge swipe data. they said it happened on the second floor of the mansion and they were able to get blackberry bbm pin messages, if you remember those, able to get a text message from the governor and cell phone records, able to get the governor's where abouts as it related to his plane that day. so those are some of the things they say they were able to incorporate into their probable cause to get the summons. it closely matches some of the allegations that another raised in an interview with cbs saying the governor put his hand underneath her shirt and grabbed her breasts. that's the same type of allegation that is also in yesterday's charging documents. but because the victim's name is
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redacted, that's typical in a sex crime case that we don't know if, in fact, it is her referenced in this criminal complaint. >> i know it's a misdemeanor sex crime, but is there a chance the governor faces jail time? >> he does. up to a year in prison. it's unlikely because there's no other charges associated with it that he would get a full year. he could get three years probation, pay a fine. because of the statute, it's unlikely he would have to register as a sex offender. >> thank you. enjoy your weekend. this morning we're waiting for a full jury in the trial for the three men accused of killing ahmaud arbery. they all face charges of murder and assault. according to our abc affiliate in atlanta, as of thursday 34 potential jurors have been selected. they need 64 to start final
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it is the murder mystery that has captivated nearly the entire country. the saga of alex murdaugh has in chapters. first he was the bereaved husband after his wife and son were shot in their 1700 acre home. then he described a bizarre attempt to commit suicide by staging his own murder. now? well, now he finds himself in jail accused of a very different crime. this one involves insurance proceeds from the death of a woman who served his family for years. i spoke exclusively to her family this week. >> she worked hard at what she did. she loved what she did. she took honor in the job that she did. >> reporter: gloria was the long-time housekeeper. his sister ginger told me the families were close. >> we thought of them as an
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extended family also because gloria did. >> in february of 2018 gloria stopped by the murdaugh home and there was an accident. what were you told about what had happened? >> just that she had fell. that she was tripped by the dogs. and that they thought she had a head injury because they saw blood. that was about it. until we got to the hospital. >> gloria languishes in icu for 21 days. ginger will always remember the last one. >> i just said, gloria, i'll be back tomorrow, and i love you. and he told me, i love you too. that's the last word i heard them say. >> at her funeral two days later, gloria's son said
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murdaugh pulled him aside and said he would make sure they set an snurn settlement from the accident. did you believe him? >> of course. >> he said i want to make sure the boys are taken care of because i loved gloria that much. >> three years went by and no money came their way. >> i said something is fishy. i don't think these boys are going to get what's due to them. >> then came the shocking news of the murders in the murdaugh family. buried in the news articles was a mention of the housekeeper's death and a half a million dollar settlement that had gone to her children. that was news to the family. >> how much money did the family get after gloria died? >> zero. not a dime. >> they hired lawyers to investigate, and discovered something startling.
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the actual insurance settlement for gloria's death totalled $4.3 million. where did all the money go? >> we're still trace where the money actually landed. it is impossible to burn that h carolina. >> on october 14th, alex murdaugh was arrested charged with obtaining property with false pretensions in connection with the $4 million settlement. he has not entered a plea, but the crime that landed this family in national headlines, the murder of murdaugh's wife and son, remains unsolved. >> i'll have the latest on state of the murdaugh investigation in a new "dateline" tonight 9:00 eastern. a story with so many twists, so many turns, all of them, more exclusive interviews and details, "dateline" 9:00 eastern, 8:00 central on nbc and watch it the next day on
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peacock. breaking news right now, though, overseas, president biden meeting face to face with french president emmanuel macron, their first sit down since france temporarily recalled the ambassador to the united states since the nuclear submarine deal. let's listen in. >> translator: partnership with nato. both members are [ inaudible ]. we want to underscore the importance of the cooperation of the indo-pacific region and willingness to cooperate in this region. thirdly and in this respect i very much would like to thank president biden for the discussion -- the decisions he already took. it is about coordination in the fight against terrorism and in particular, the presence of france together with our
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european and international partners and over the past few weeks, president biden took some fund mental decisions which benefitted our two armies and this is the embodiment of the support. we acknowledge some bilateral partnerships on armament, the nuclear sector, the space industry, and in -- and, of course, the most advanced technology and we want to have some extended cooperation on regulations as well. then we will continue to work together on the main international issues, climate change, the digital sector, health, which will be on the agenda of the g 20 and we will also upgrade our discussions on
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arms control. in a few words this is what was at the heart of the work over the past few weeks but we'll be discussing today. these are very concrete decisions taken to support some initiatives, some joint initiatives, joint actions on all of these matters and for me this is very much the beginning of the process of trust, of confidence which we're building together. thank you very much. thank you very much for the work you've taken over the past few weeks and your presence here today. . >> it's been with us from the beginning. in part before i came.
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as a matter of fact kind of -- my father always told me, a little medallion, my father loved -- my name is [ inaudible ]. >> came and told [ inaudible ] so all kidding aside, strong affection for loyalty. there is no place in the world where we can't work together. france is [ inaudible ] and so whether it's [ inaudible ] carrying the burden in this part of the world.
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i want to get something clear, we believe quite a bit. thank you. >> is the relationship repaired? >> are you asking me? >> the answer is, i think what happened was an example -- without grace. i'm under the impression and [ inaudible ] fran ha been
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extremely, extremely valued partner. extremely. we have the same values. >> what did you think happened [ inaudible ]? >> i was under the impression that fran had been informed long before. having said that, look, there's too much we have done together, suffered together, celebrated together, for anything to really break this up. it's one of those reflection points in world history. thing are changing. it happen 50 or 75 years. it's happening. i want to be in the same.
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[ talking at the same time ] >> we glorify together what we have. what's important is precisely to be sure that such a situation will not be possible for our future. cooperation. positive that we build some very concrete actions to strengthen the partnership in the clarification between what defense means and how it is vetble with nato, what europro's
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sovereignty means and how it's important for global security and [ inaudible ] clarification. koorpg as i mentioned. what really matters now is what we will do together in the coming weeks and months, coming years. >> there you have it. president biden and the president of france, emmanuel macron sitting down taking two questions. nbc's senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell is traveling with the president. she is in rome. i want to just briefly apologize to our viewer and listeners on sirius, the audio there wasn't the best. we weren't able to control that and it was difficult to hear what both leaders were saying.
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you were closer than us. what did you make of what we heard from both leaders? >> i struggled to hear it but from the body language and some of the key points i can at least say this, the u.s./france relationship is in a much better place than it was some weeks ago when this diplomatic dispute really spilled out into the open and france recalled its ambassador from the united states back home to paris because of this dispute over the u.s. signing a partnership with the united kingdom and australia, cutting out france for $60 billion deal for nuclear submarines. france felt really blindsided by that, economically disadvantaged by that, and in addition felt that the long partnership, really the oldest ally the u.s. has, had been disrespected. there's been a lot of work done in phone calls at a staff level, president biden and president macron at an international phone
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call level, but now this meeting to try to repair that relationship. many world leaders speak english, often speak only their native language in these settings. for macron to speak english was another sign of work that has been done to try to repair this relationship. >> thank you. thank you as well for joining me this hour. busy friday. andrea mitchell reports picks things up next. good day. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington. right now in rome ahead of tomorrow's g 20 summit of the world's wealthiest nations, president biden is in the middle of the meeting with france's president emmanuel macron, trying to patch up differences after the outrage in france over the the u.s. contract to sell submarines to australia, a sale france and macron thought they had made. earlier president biden, a devout catholic, meeting with pope francis at the vatican


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