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democrats in the house to vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill that is already passed the senate. speaker pelosi wants them to do that, possibly as early as tomorrow to have that vote as early on this tomorrow. that is tonight's last word, the 11th hour with brian williams, starts now. we >> won't good evening once again day 281 of the biden administration, the president may now be delaying his schedule departure for europe tomorrow morning so that he can continue to try to persuade members of his own party to pass his domestic policy bills. drama sometimes helps in these matters, we'll have more on that in just a moment. there is also news from the house committee investigating one six, just a short time ago. one committee member confirms, they expect to hear testimony from jeffrey clark. he is the former trump doj official, who was reportedly involved in the former
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presidents effort to overturn the election. >> i think the committee has acknowledged with scheduled, this friday for an interview, so i believe that is still on. >> as we reported, the washington post says that the committee expects to subpoena john eastman, the trump friendly lawyer who outlined that for overturning the election. by having former vp mike pence, nullified the electoral votes. last week in an interview with the national review, eastman disinvited the plan calling it quote, not viable and crazy. but eastman was caught on camera defending his plan. and blaming mike pence in a series of undercover videos shot by a liberal activist name lauren windsor. she approached him at an event on her own, not on behalf of nbc news, saying she was at the rally on one six, and that she was one of his supporters. >> i read your memo and i thought that it was solid and all of his legal arguments. >> yes.
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>> i was just floored that mike pence didn't do anything, i mean why didn't he act on. it because you gave him the legal reasoning to do that. >> i know. i know. >> but i mean, you know from supported to support, or why do you think mike pence did it? >> nbc news reached out to eastman and he had no comment. today winds herself posted more of the video from her conversation with eastman who described trump's plan to walk down to the capitol after that speech he cave on january six. >> yeah i don't know, because the breaking of the window had already started before his speech was over. and if he got down there then all of that would've been blamed on him. i mean there's no blaming him but they would've had more basis for it. so you know >> but he's been blaming on coming down. the >> yes i know. >> and it goes on kind of like. that early on this network to
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january six committee members said the video bolstered the case for issuing a subpoena to eastman. >> clearly, he was trying to get the vice president to overturn the election, as you say, a coup. and these are insurrectionists in my view wearing suits and ties. and they are not done. >> eastman, he performed, he delivered saying that this is something we can do. a lot of what i'm working for in the january six committee is what were the nexus points between the parliamentary coup side and the violent insurrection side. >> we've also learned that the former president is once again trying to keep his tax returns away from congress. trump's lawyers have urged a federal judge to block the irs from giving his return to the house ways and means committee, hearing on that case is set for november 16th. as we mentioned, the current president is trying to salvage
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his plan to expand the social safety net in our country and keep this infrastructure bill alive. president now plans to attend tomorrow's democratic caucus meeting at 9 am in the house to help convince mostly the liberals to vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill. tonight, we learned that a big part of that plan to provide paid family and medical leave to millions of americans was cut from the spending bill largely due to opposition from a 74-year-old man from west virginia named, joe manchin. one reporter from abc news posted this from democratic senator patty murray from washington state who said and we quote here, we are not going to let one man tell millions of women in this country that they can't have paid leave. >> democrats are still far apart on many of the other things biden wants to do. tonight, the leader of the house liberal block, said as of now there is no agreement. >> i don't believe that we have
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a deal from the two senators that we have been waiting on for months. we need those two senators to get on board so that we can show the world that we are actually going to deliver for people in the significant way, so that we don't keep pushing people away from democracy and government right here in our own country. they see us, not fighting for them. they see us not delivering for them. >> those two senators that she's talking about, those who insist that she's not about them of course are joe manchin, and kyrsten sinema. with that let's bring in our starting line on a wednesday night, yamiche alcindor, white house correspondent for pbs news. our moderator of the week on pbs. jonathan karl, chief washington correspondent on abc news, a correspondent, his upcoming book called betrayal the final act of the trump show is coming out on november 16th, his current book front row at the trump show is currently out on
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paperback. and neal katyal, department of justice veteran former acted solicitor during the obama administration, who has of course argued dozens of cases before the u.s. supreme court. good evening and welcome to you all. yamiche alcindor, you know well the kind of rules surrounding presidential power. you don't exert it unless you think there is going to be a return because that is a precious commodity. tell us what you know about these plants to delay his departure so he can give a final sales pitch in the house. >> there are several sources that are now saying that president biden is expected to blue low capitol hill to meet with democrats to try and seal the deal and to really marshall and unite democrats around voting for the infrastructure bill. it's interesting where the president finds himself, he has been really trying to exert pressure, trying to be a closure, trying to be a mediator, chief. but now comes the time where
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democrats with progressives and moderates are trying to work out much of the details and now they're really looking to the president to say, okay, we need you before you go off to europe to really put this together. the question though is whether or not that's going to work. today we saw a lot of different developments on the bill. but it is still unclear what is in the bill. what is sort of clear talking to white house sources and white house sources, is paid family leave are being seen as entirely out of the bill. now that doesn't mean that that can change in the next few hours, but that is really a big deal for so many that we're talking to advocates just tonight. talking about how they see that as a blow to women of color, a blow to working class people in this country. another thing that is big, is that joe manchin is really the center of a lot of these changes. not only is he opposed to paid family leave, but he is also opposed to the billionaire tax. which president biden came back and it's a new start of tax that senator democrats came to pay for this bill. but tomorrow is going to be a
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very interesting day because the president does really want a win before he gets on the plane to go to your. he wants to be able to tell different countries at the g20, at the climate, the conference that he's going to be attending, the pope as well, that he's getting things done here at home. so we'll have to see tomorrow. it's a big big day and a lot of moving parts. >> neal katyal, over to the one six committee, over to the hill. if you are either running to committee or perhaps advising the staff, what would you want asked to message clark and eastman? >> i think jeff clark just has to come and tell the truth. this is a guy who is in a low level environment running temporarily this in full division and he decided to train, over step his dogs by far basically trying to become the attorney general and displaced jeffrey rosen who could be the acting attorney general. we need to know the story about what happened. particularly what have been and
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what he said to trump, and what was trump's role in this whole thing. it has been brian almost a year and we don't have the answer to those basic questions. which is just unforgivable. it's part of john eastman, the subpoena on him is inevitable. he tried last week to say, as you are saying, that he didn't even believe his own memo. and that story was incredible. he forgot in told that to even righted, that that was part of the story. i've had hundreds of cases, you never forget who tells you to write a memo on something, even a bankruptcy case or something like. that if you're texas still read a legal memo, to justify a coup and overthrow an election, yeah i kind of think you'd remember who told you to write that memo. and then of course -- go ahead. >> and then there is now three john eastman's one look at who wrote the members about how to, one is the guy who disclaim the memo months later saying that i was just exploring to have a coup. and now we have the new guy who
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disagrees with the second guy and says that i'm all in on the coup. and that it's solid and there's no reasonable argument against his legal memo, and it's just incomprehensible and i called john eastman a trump legal scholar except he's neither leaguer nor a scholar. >> i was going to say there's news on the eastman side, it has said that he has parted ways with this current lawyer and hiring another one. jonathan karl, what does this committee need to do to really impress upon the american people how important one on six was. what's and game was supposed to be on one six. the democrat says no one needs reminding have been routinely charlie browned by the republicans for the past five years. >> the purpose of this committee, their task, is to do something dramatic. correct the record for history
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but to portray how horrific would happen on january six was and who was behind it. the presidents role to people around the president. and to do it in a kind of dramatic factual way that would break through it, and brian the bar as high here. because we had that happen already. we had it happened during the senate impeachment trial, we remember how dramatic the plane of that video was, and the floor of the senate going minute by minute, what was happening on january six. so this committee needs to do something beyond that. they have to damages between the impeachment did not have. one is the ability to call witnesses. and the other is the ability to subpoena documents from the white house. and this is why this battle over executive privilege is is so important. to get at the documents that will show what was going on
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around the president on january six while the right was happening and the time leading up to that riot. and this is not simply a communications back and forth with aids, but it's also the video out takes. he did that one horrific video on january six where he told people to go home but he also said, we love you. and justified what they were doing. that was, i am told, one of several takes. and the earlier takes were deemed unacceptable because he didn't even tell them to go home. i think seeing that -- and those were shot by videographers who work for the u.s. government, those were shot by videographers looking at the white house. they would be covered under the presidential rights at. there's a photographer that was with the president, with trump, all the time. what's images were captured from that day. this is all part of what they can do, and this is why this battle over executive privilege
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is so important, it's to get forcing compelled to testimony for people who were around the president, something the impeachment managers could not do, and to really establish in a cold factual way what donald trump was up to when this was all going down. >> yamiche alcindor, back over to you. a point you made towards the end of your first answer and that is, joe biden arrives at this summit in scotland. where did the notion first arrive that this had to be a hard and fast deadline? he had to put pen to paper before stepping forth on air force one. is it really a case where the allies are sitting around the table critiquing him on build back better before the final rose ceremony? >> the sense is that the deadline were really put in place where deadlines were democrats put in place for themselves. to reflect a memory that was sort of in the second chapter
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of this. there was this earlier done by that democrats blew through, and this was now a sort of conversation among democrats that they wanted to get something done before the president left office. senator trimmer is on the record saying that he wants to get both of these bills through on october 31st by the end of the month. we also have to remind people that there are thousands of workers who are at the department of transportation that could be for low, come sunday, if one of these bills doesn't get voted on. so there are americans that are also gonna lose a paycheck if this doesn't work out. and that of course is how congress works in a sort of wonky explanation that i won't bore you with. but the point is, there are real consequences they are hard deadlines, they're also soft lines. when it comes to whether or not allies and other countries are waiting around to see where president biden is going to do, i don't think so much to talking to my sources that there's gonna be some senses that friends are going to yell at president biden, how did you not get that deal done. but i think there is the sense that president biden, having really had this global message
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in america is back, is his administration was going to be transformational, it would be best for him in that require, to be able to go to that climate conference and say, look what we just, it look with the congress just passed. look at the ways that we're going. through and i should also say i've been talking to some sources that the epa, and there are things that of course the biden administration is doing that is not related to congress. they're trying to hit goals through different rules. through other executive orders. but there is the sense among democrats that time is winding down. and that's also remember that the democratic face wants to see something get done, because there wasn't a voting rights bill that could be passed, that wasn't policing reform, bill but this is also the democratic facing what are democrats getting for us. and lastly, i'll say, next tuesday this coming tuesday, there is a lot of elections around the country, but the one among them, the governor's race and terry mcauliffe who is a democrat running in that race, has said very clearly that he would love democrats to give something that he could run. on and really be a closing argument and looking at, look at that we can get done if you
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like me as governor. >> okay, that's a lot. neal katyal, two things for you, it is clark hiring a new attorney. number two i need your reaction to this exchange from, sheldon whitehouse democrat of rhode island with the attorney general today we'll talk about this exchange on the other side. >> please tell me it does not been constrained only to people the capital. >> investigation is being conducted by the prosecutors in the u.s. attorneys officer, and the fbi field office. we have not constrained them in anyway. >> great. and the old doctrine of follow the money, which is a well-established to principle of prosecution. 11? well >> it's fair to say that all investigative of which you're familiar and some may be that you're not familiar with because they posted your time are all being pursued in this matter. >> so counselor what do you
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make? what is your take away from that exchange? there >> i think it's that two people are doing their job the way that it's supposed to be done, but senator asking the way that it's supposed to be done can the attorney general is not essentially answering the question. and that is actually i think something, brian, we should actually be celebrating. we lived through joker attorneys in the last administration, who broke every norm and the norm is really the same thing that garland is doing. there it's a criminal investigation not supposed to be tipping it off for something like that. i think the key for garland is not answering these questions in the hearing. it's whether or not there is going to be real actions at the end of the day. and so whether he doesn't speak for jail first bennett, if he doesn't do a poll investigation of don donald trump, if he doesn't prosecute the january 6th insurrection, if he doesn't do those things i think he's going to be a fill attorney
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general, at the end of the day because the facts are so far, everything we know pretty darn compelling. now if he does those investigations and actually finds that these people are witnesses, okay, so be. it but he has to do the full investigation, i believe he will do the things and he can't confirm that with the response from the senator just because republican attorney general -- that doesn't mean merrick garland is going to ask him. so no one called the undercurrent of your mission you are saying is time. the clock is ticking, the base is especially getting nervous and and see, i want to read this from the author and activists don winslow who was a guest of ours a few nights back. for the journalists interviewing members of the january six committee, you should ask three simple questions, one why did it take six months for the january six committee to be formed? to, why did it take nine months
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to issue your first subpoena? three, why are you doing closed door hearings? mr. winds alone among others believe they should be in primetime open up the drapes and televise it all. you see there john, people want to see punishment and too many people are dissatisfied because what they are seeing seems plotting. >> it's senator whitehouse got in a critical question here, which is not just going after the people that actually literally invaded the capital building. this was something that went far beyond the insurrection that we saw on capitol hill. this was by all means necessary a presidential election and to seize power. what window made three points i think the first two are very good points, i think the third one on closed hearings, as you know, you have a good
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investigation is a lot of work behind closed doors before the public hearing commences. a lot of discovery, a lot of gathering of facts. but this committee, if it is going to be successful, ryan, is going to have to have major primetime hearings televised hearings in primetime by next summer. and there is a real deadline on all of this. and that is the next to midterm elections. because you don't know if republicans are going to take over congress in november of 2022. and if they do, this committee goes away. this committee, and they are keenly aware of that deadline, and i think that there's a lot of fair criticism and what is taking so long to get to the point where we are now. but they need to get into a position where they can have a full on primetime hearings by next summer, before we run into a fall campaign. >> great thanks to our starting line on this wednesday night
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yamiche alcindor, jonathan karl, neal katyal, appreciate the three of you coming. on coming up for us our political experts react to the stunning new numbers on just how many american seem to think the 2020 election should be overturned. and later the former chief of police and seattle is with us to talk about her new book on policing and race in america. and what congressional inaction on things like police reform means -- ving people money for nearly 60 years. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage, go with the general. am i disappointed and things
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that are out yes? if you look at what's, in which is investment in the education and health of this, country i still think it's making progress. >> make of that what you, wish
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there's plenty of disappointment to go around, truth be, trolled as more and more provisions, are going over the side, prior to building back better, and well hopes for a quick dealer fading, as we mentioned, there is this chance biden will delay his departure for europe tomorrow, after spending more time with those house democrats. back with us tonight, eugene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning columnist for the washington post, and mark mckenna former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain, he's among the cohost, of this circus, sunday nights on showtime. gentlemen thank you. eugene i have one for you, to start this, off this is the editorial board down the hall from, you at your beloved washington post, and they write and i quote, as they approach the deal in the outlines, there appear to be a risk of producing legislation that is so compromised and slapdash, that it would amount to a tragic missed opportunity, on the spending side. democrats might skimp on permanent structural reforms, so they can find more programs that are smaller or short term,
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and the revenue side their plans my easily results in massive new debt. this is not what mr. biden promised. eugene, indeed, can they really call this a victory? can they say this matches the presidents standard of transformation of legislation? if this is going to be death by 1000 cuts? >> brian, if they are able to pass a package with something between 1.7 five and two trillion dollars, worth of new spending, that's a big deal. now, it's likely because of the way this is played out, over weeks and months. that a lot of people will be talking more about what's not in the, building what's actually in the bill. only democrats can manage that. somehow. not being able to talk about the stuff that they will be
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doing, for people, that people need. pre-k, child tax credit climate change funding, all this stuff is really a big deal, and i'm not sure it's that bannon idea, or bad politics to have some of these provisions, theoretically -- it's very difficult to cut programs because they both come popular and useful. >> mark as you may know, every day all the cable networks have a conference call during which we agreed to the minimum number of joe manchin mentions each day in each night, and coming to work tonight, i was worried we are going to fall short of our quote, about luckily, he's back in the news, but seriously,
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to patty murray's point, what do you say to that argument. you're really going to let one 74 year old guy from west virginia kill a family medical leave? >> i think it's an outstanding question, this seems to be what man joe manchin has said in worries drawing the line, i have a feeling maybe that maybe back on the table, i think, eugene make some great points, part of the problem here is the expectations were so high, the notion is transformational along the lines of lbj or fdr, just created enormous expectations that are probably never logistically be met, i think the reality is, 1.5 or two trillion dollars, and human infrastructure, that will do a lot of stuff good stuff in it. and in itself is transformational. i think part of the problem has been messaging and part of the democrats. first of all talking about price tag instead of policies. and then, an execution.
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and creating these artificial deadlines. i just wish that senator sinema and manchin, which is work this thing out. we keep coming back, sinema works at a, deal goes to the white house, and then manchin doesn't agree with, there are manchin doesn't agree with something she degrees. with if we can just go through on the same page, i think we have a deal. >> just them in their food taster on that beau. it will be safer. both gentlemen are going to stick around a bit. i got a fit in a break, we will continue our conversation, and when we do, it's been almost 400 days, since joe biden was elected president of these united states. yeah and alarming number of our fellow citizens are still not convinced, let's just say. convinced, let's just say. convinced, let's just say. we use 11. eleven. why do an expense report from your phone when you can do it from a machine that jams? i just emailed my wife's social security number to the entire company instead of hr, so... please come back. how hard is your business software working for you?
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continue to pound that home this ongoing lie that the election was somehow stolen. trump wrote a letter, filled with the lies, to the wall street journal which published it in its entirety. in our country, if you mention something often enough, a certain percentage of people will start to believe it. indeed, a new political morning consult poll finds an alarming number of our fellow citizens, 35%, still say that they believed the election should be overturned.
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still with us, eugene robinson and mark mckinnon, stuart stevens was on a night couples back. and every night he says it again, it just stopped your heart that there's one political party that is pro democracy. what do you do about this juror mark? even if trump went away tomorrow, went away and never said another word, not for authored another a ridiculous rendered to the wall street journal, it's in the bloodstream. >> you are right brian. there's no better advocacy, when you just repeat ally enough even in the face of zero evidence, the people will believe it, it's just usually problematic for the people of the republican party, for the country, for the democracy. the greatest fraud in american politics right now is the notion that the systematic election fraud. even just to give you frequent examples, arizona audits paid for by republican trump supporters not only found up fraud, they found more votes for joe biden. lieutenant governor of texas
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dan patrick offered 1 million dollar reward for anybody who could find any fraud and not until the last did he offer up the first reward of $25,000 for one person in pennsylvania that found a trump voter, and then three attorney general spent 22,000 men hours trying to find election fraud and found 12 that addresses. that's about 1300 hours per bad addresses. this is simply no systematic election fraud, and almost zero fraud period. they're just a handful of cases that just walked into them, put out the wrong address, and in some cases, looked at the wrong guy and voted for -- >> so eugene let's talk about the other side of this, a lob back you were talking about your column which basically said the democrats are doomed story lined's overall. would you buy a, democrats can't get out of their own way, be democrats can find their own
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kissed or with their own's and a flashlight. >> both of those are kind of -- but i am still not convinced that democrats are necessarily doomed. number one, they are the only seen pro democracy political party in operation in this country right now. and that actually does count for something. it counted for something in the election perhaps in november. and i think it will continue to count for something. so as messy as the spending in its way, and as bad as the democrats are, in the end they are standing up for american principles, american government, american democracy. you may disagree with some of their policies but we'll look at the republican party. it is and for all for donald trump an absolute lie. and not just by the media, not
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just by example that mark gave. 60 federal courts, federal judges in case after case after case found that there is absolutely no substance. absolutely nothing there. this did not happen. i have to believe that believing in what's actually happen in the end is better than politically believing in something that is just fiction. that is just a lie. >> it is a toxin, it is a dark force in our politics that is going to affect every election of every kind going forward for a good long while. i fear. eugene robinson, mark mckinnon, both of these gentlemen's are friends of our broadcast. we thank them both for coming up tonight. coming up tonight. 30 years in to how policing works. and when it doesn't. we'll talk with former police chief carmen best, about her new book black in blue.
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when the 11th hour continues. 11th hour continues
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nearly a year and a half since george floyd was killed, still there is no police reform measure at the federal level. it should surprise no one in 2021 that the votes just point there for it. our next guest has a unique perspective on how to effectively change policing in america after three decades serving the city of seattle. former police chief carmen best, writes in her new book, black and blue, quote, to beat racism and sexism, to fight against police brutality to truly become one nation that recognizes just how much black lives do matter, just how much minority groups matter, we must first and foremost a race racism and sexism within our own households. so back with us tonight the before mentioned, carmen best, former police chief of seattle.
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she is also the author of this new book, black in blue, lessons on leadership, breaking barriers, and racial reconciliation. chief i'd like to begin with another quote from inside your book, and it reads, i am a huge supporter of the black lives matter movement and a firm believer in not abolishing the police or defunding it to the point where that police officers can no longer keep their jobs or carry out their daily task, as was the case when the city council into seattle decided we had to do with 50% less money. chief talk about the circumstances that led to your departure from that job. >> good evening brian, thank you for having me. i'm so glad to be here and talk about black and blue. and lessons on leadership and breaking barriers and reach show reconciliation. what led to my leaving, ultimately, was the fact that the council was going to cut the budget for the police force effectively. ensuring that we would have 50%
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less officers to respond to calls for service. in a city that was already seeing some issues around gun violence and other issues. we really needed to have a police officer responds. by the way, in order to do that we would have to do last in, first out. which means a member of the officer would seek women and went northeast, but we've done that being pushed to hire them would lose their job effectively, making the department less die versus them before. >> i hear my fans here, and friends complaining about the fact that atvs and dirt bikes and motorcycles have taken over the nighttime streets of the city no matter the borough that you're in. well i told these folks, a lot of them haven't spent an hour or a day wondering what it would be like in the shoes of a police officer. exert common sense. if someone says you should be defunded, are you really gonna
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put out 100 percent. or are you going to work to the rules estrogen? and that chief is what i'm afraid we're seeing in a lot of cities. >> brian, i'm afraid you might be right about that. i talk about that in black in blue. the level of moral and the issues. many of the officers i would say the best of them would talk about this real hardworking people. they would sacrifice a lot on behalf of others, a very difficult job. and many in seattle, across the nation, are leaving the job because they don't feel supported by the public. in most cases, by elected city officials, or other officials. and that to me is a real tragedy. >> i was hoping that so many of the young people we saw in the streets, and there's never been a better or more brutal cause to hit the streets after george floyd died, that some of them
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may be moved to sign up, get on the waiting, lewis get to the academy, tried to change policing from within. if that doesn't happen, and if there's nothing from the federal level, then what is going to happen to policing policy? >> there is the strange economy that they're looking at, do we end up with the police force, or not having a police force? and how do we operate as a society without someone there to help enforce the law to the rules that are so needed. it is really sad to see that there is this contingent, or element out there that believes we'd be better off without having public safety service. when that is just not the case. we need public safety. we need police officers. we also need alternatives to situations. and when people are in crisis, that is important as well. but it is both.
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it is not either or. we need both things to invest. an invest in your cops. invest in public health. invest in public safety. invest in middle. help so to enter stuck in the way that really do cause issues with the public safety. >> chief quick question before the break, the covid case, the first covid case was first in seattle, you wrote about in the book how it had a unifying effect how everyone was together in the fight. what happens with a new when you see these police officers walking off the job because they're anti-vaccine? >> one of the things i talk about brian, is how the police officers are a microcosm of society as a whole and so many of the issues that we're facing as a nation we're facing as the police department as well. and there would be people that don't want to, for their own personal reasons to get a vaccination, that being said it makes me incredibly sad that
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when people when officers are contacted every single day that they're doing so more sane for everybody -- i would say quickly that they are in harm's way to protect others. so it is surprising that they won't get the shot after the safety of so many. their families, their coworkers, and the public that they serve every single day. >> yes first responder as they take on great dangers that is sure, chief best has agreed to stay with us just for this break, and coming up we're going to continue our conversation. i want to ask the chief about this growing threat of domestic violence, domestic extremism. why it matters so much for our police forces across the country. country. (sfx: continued vehicle calamity.)
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it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b, do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your doctor. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. if you're living with hiv, keep loving who you are. and ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. carmen best, former police
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chief in the city of seattle, and newly minted author. i want to talk to you about domestic terrorism. we have been told over and over again, from the department of homeland security, as no one needs to remind you, that it's probably the leading domestic threat we face. we means, local police officers, are by definition, the first line of defense. domestic terrorists have to strike somewhere, and wherever they, strike there will be police officers on duty. back to what we said about first responders, talk about the responsibility, that places on departments and the force, and things like training, and equipment. >> absolutely brian, i talk about this actually in black and blue, the fact that having our first line responders, our police officers, they are the ones typically that see when things are out of order. we have a very strong contingent on the federal, forced whether it's to the fbi or other federal agencies, that
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often will come in and investigate these domestic terrorist cases. but it's really the officers that will be the first, ones there in the neighborhoods, they are on the streets, those are the ones that are going to see with something is awry or out of order, they are the ones you often give the anonymous tips, the information, because of their availability within the public. that can be such a help, for us in curtailing domestic terrorist acts. and things that happen in our homeland. these issues, of not having the officers on history, actually affect the overall safety of the nation. in terms of domestic terrorism and domestic acts. >> as we have been watching, it's law enforcement officers that got a beat down from the very same people who go home and say there are big fans of law enforcement officers. our thanks to former police chief carmen best, again, the book she has just authored is called, black and blue.
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lessons on leadership, breaking barriers, and racial reconciliation. chief, thank you, always always a pleasure. coming up for, us when members of the audience say the darndest and often most dangerous things, tonight we have something to show you. , tonight we have something to show you
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last thing before we go tonight, another installments of, we watch this stuff so you won't have to. but this is a moment you should
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see, let's set the scene for, you there is an ardent trump or, named charlie kirk, his organization is, called turning point usa. there he is. he is currently on what he calls, the critical racism tour. as all major tours do, this one recently made a stop and napa idaho. on the campus of northwestern as arena university. where charlie kirk called on a man in the audience who had a question at this point we're living under corporate medical fascism. this is tyranny. when do we get to use the guns? and i'm not, that's not a joke, i'm not saying it like, that i mean literally, where is the line. how many elections are they going to steal, before we kill these people? >> hold on. stop hold on. now i'm going to denounce that, i'm going to tell you that you're playing into all of their plans, and they're trying to make you do this. that's okay, just hear me out.
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he started with a compliment so it least give me a little bit. they are trying to provoke you, and everyone here. they are trying to make you do something, that will be violence, that will justify, a takeover of your freedoms and liberties, the likes of which we have never seen. we are close, hold on. we are close to have momentum, to be able to get this country back on a trajectory, using the peaceful means that we have at. us sort of answer your question, and i just think it's overly blunt, we have to be the ones that do not play into the violent aims and ambitions of the other side. they fear, let me say this very clearly, they fear us, holding the line, with self control, and discipline. taking over school board meetings, they are the ones that are willing to use force against us. and i know that people get fired up. we are living under fascism. we are living under tyranny. but if you think for a second that they are not wanting you,
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to all the sudden get that next level, where they will say, okay, we need patriotic two point oh. if you think waco is, bad weeds you see with they want to do next. >> again, just to give you an idea of what is out, there and again, national democrats who are not dialed into, this or who are ignoring this kind of, top do so at their peril, and hours. as we all prepared to live another day, under tyranny and fascism, or as they're known by their other names, vaccines and masks, during a pandemic. that's going to do it for our wednesday night effort, with our thanks for being here with, us on our half of our colleagues at these networks of nbc news, goodnight. ks o nbc news, goodnight. tonight on all in. the creeping embrace of violence -- >> think about what our
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declaration of independence says. it says to overthrow tyrants. >> tonight, at what point does the second amendment become a breath to the first amendment. >> at this point we are living under corporate and medical fascism. this is tyranny. when do we get to use the guns? >> then new undercover video of trump's crew lawyer, explaining the former president's plan to head down to the capitol. plus the vote to charge the sitting president of brazil with crimes against humanity on the same day he gets a fresh endorsement from donald trump. and you have it the facebook pr crisis, could be turning into a legal one. when all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, today the attorney general of the united states merrick garland appeared before the senate judiciary committee. and much of his four hours at this hearing with a very important things happening obviously in the department,

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