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>> so i picked the eagles to beat las vegas this past week, so i'm probably not the best person to ask. we'll see by the end of the year. >> it sounds like you're saying, eh, 51% chance, but i'm not going to put money on it. it's tough being an eagles fan, i get it. thank you, dr. offit, i appreciate it. msnbc coverage conditions right now with mr. geoff bennett. it is great to be with you. i'm geoff bennett. as we come on the air we're hearing for the first time directly from investigators in new mexico looking into that deadly shooting on the set of the alec baldwin movie "rust." we're still a ways off from any possible charges being filed but the news conference by the santa fe sheriff and district attorney was the first detailed
accounting of what happened in the moments before and after baldwin pulled the trigger, killing the director of photography and wounding the doctor. we know assistant director dave halls granted the gun from the cart, handed it to baldwin, and yelled "cold gun" indicating the weapon was safe. but the affidavit of a detective indicates the weapon was loaded instead. >> we have collected 600 items of evidence, these include but are not limited to three firearms, approximately 500 rounds of ammunition, and several pieces of clothing and accessories. we believe that we have in our possession the firearm that was fired by mr. baldwin. this is the firearm we believe discharged the bullet.
we also believe that we have the spent shell casing from the bullet that was fired from the gun. the actual lead projectile that was fired has been recovered from the shoulder of mr. souza. the projectile was recovered by medical personnel where he was being treated and turned over to the sheriff's office as evidence. we regard this specific spent casing and recovered projectile to be the live round that was fired from the revolver by mr. baldwin. we have recovered what we believe to be possible additional live rounds on set. >> much of the attention in recent days has focused not only on baldwin and that assistant director but also on the film's firearms specialists also known as an armorer. court records show the gun baldwin used was one of three that the armorer, hannah
gutierrez reed, had been set on a cart near were the scene was being rehearsed. joining us is msnbc's yasmin vossoughian and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade. yasmin, what did the sheriff and d.a. have to say? >> nbc has obtained a copy of a search warrant. first and foremost are interviews with hannah gutierrez reed, the head armorer. she's only 24 years old, this is only the second job she's had as head armorer on set, her experience coming into question. the interview -- i'm reading
directly from my phone on this, i'm just getting this in -- she checked the dummies and ensured they were not hot rounds. the affiant learned the firearms were taken back and secured inside a safe on a prop truck on set. during lunch she stated the ammo was left on a cart on the set, not secured. gutierrez also advised the ammo was also kept inside the prop truck. there's a search warrant out, by the way, for the prop truck. she stated the firearms were pulled out of the safe and handed to her. she advised there were only a few people who had access to the combination safe. hannah advised she handed the gun to alec baldwin a couple of times and also handed it to dave halls. dave halls was also interviewed and he talks about the fact that he doesn't remember whether he saw hannah gutierrez spin the
drums, i guess i should say, spin the barrels of this gun to make sure there were no live rounds in the gun. so he admits maybe he wasn't as thorough with the security check as he should have been. now, two of the major headlines that we saw coming out of this press conference earlier today was in fact there was a live round in that gun. that was one of the questions that we had out there as to what actually killed the cinematographer, halyna hutchins, and we're learning it was in fact a live round. the second major headline was that there was more live rounds on the set. they recovered 500 ammunition on the set. then comes into question the culpability of this all. we heard the district attorney talk about the culpability of
gutierrez reed and baldwin. let's take a listen to the district attorney now, geoff. >> in reference to possible charges, it's too early right now in the investigation to comment on charges at this point. the investigation will continue and if the sheriff's office determines during our investigation a crime has occurred and probable cause exists, an arrest or arrests will be made and charges will be filed. otherwise we will complete our investigation and forward the whole investigation and evidence to the district attorney for review. >> if the facts in evidence and law support charges, then i will initiate prosecution at that time. i am a prosecutor that was elected in part because i do not make rash decisions and i do not rush to judgment. >> so that was the sheriff we
heard from first followed by the district attorney. there's three ongoing investigations at this moment, right? you have the investigation here ongoing in new mexico. you have the investigation coming from osha on a federal level. and you have an interim investigation being led by th "rust" production crew, they've obtained their own attorneys as well. we have a lot of answers today, it hasn't moved as fast as i thought it would be, considering all those involved, but still a lot of questions out there as this thing continues to develop. >> there's certainly a lot to unpack here. i've been reading through this search warrant here, yasmin, as you have been doing the same. lucky for us, we have barbara mcquade here to help us pick through some of these details. what do you make of what you heard from the d.a. and from yasmin's reporting? i'm still stuck on the fact that the sheriff said there were other live rounds on the set. the protocol for professional
hollywood sets is there should be no live rounds brought into an environment like that. >> yeah, based on what we've heard today, there are certainly some questions that remain to be answered that are really key. i think the sheriff and district attorney were proper in not rushing to judgment or giving opinions as to where the evidence will lead. as you say, geoff, somehow live rounds were on this movie set. we also see from the search warrant affidavit that the armorer said she checked the gun and the gun was stored in a safe until it was handled by individuals that they can't identify the chain of custody. how did that live round get into that gun? either the armorer made a mistake, she thought it was clear and it wasn't, or they have not even eliminated the possibility of sabotage, there was some disgruntled worker on this set, is it possible someone wanted to give alec baldwin or someone else a taste of their own medicine on how hard working
conditions were? we need to not make a judgment. >> walk us through, barb, some of the possible charges here and what investigators would need to prove in order to charge someone with that. >> and right now, of course, geoff, there is no evidence of sabotage, i don't think there's any evidence that this was an intentional act. it seems like an accidental act. there's a whole variety of conclusions. at the lowest end, it's a tragic accident, and no liability, criminal or civil, for anybody. there could be civil liability, which means an ordinary negligence, which means there was a duty of care and they breached it, that would be civil liability for whoever individually was involved or possibly also the production company that's responsible for the work of its employees. the higher charge would be a criminal charge. that requires a showing of gross negligence, that is, i had a very high duty of care, i was aware of a risk, and i proceeded
anyway. and so in a situation where you are dealing with firearms, something that is inherently dangerous, the level of care is much higher than dealing with, say, a bouquet of flowers or a ladder. it is a gun, so the standard of care is very high and a breach of the standard of care could, depending on the facts, could amount to a charge, what under new mexico is referred to as involuntary manslaughter. >> this gets a lot of attention because a hollywood actor is involved. there are so many other shootings that deserve scrutiny, unfortunately. good to have you with us, yasmin vossoughian and barbara mcquade. a major step by the fda, a key advisory panel giving the green light to covid-19 shots for kids ages 5 to 11. a unanimous vote with one
abstention that the vaccine's benefits outweigh any potential risks. the full fda and then the cdc could follow within days. we could be seeing shots in arms as early as next week. and we could learn more from the white house covid response team briefing which is happening this hour. joining us now are nbc news medical correspondent dr. john torres and cdc adviser and professor at vanderbilt university medical center, dr. william schaffner. it feels like almost a given that the fda and cdc will follow. are we looking at shots in arms as early as next week? >> geoff, you're right, this is a four-step process. we just went through the first step, the advisory panel. three more steps to go. the fda commissioner will probably sign off on it in the next few days or so. the cdc's advisory panel will meet, discuss who the shot should be given to, when it should be given, then the fda
director will sign off on that. if things go as expected, shots 5 to 11-year-olds should start happening. >> dr. schaffner, as you well know, in that 5 to 11-year-old age group, there have been 8,300 hospitalizations, a third of those requiring icu care, nearly 100 deaths. describe for us what a major step this will be in getting the upper hand on the pandemic, especially, you know, as families plan to gather for the holidays. >> geoff, as you have emphasized, although we have heard that -- and it's true, that children are less apt to be seriously affected than are older adults, it's not that they're unaffected. those numbers that you're giving are very serious. for those families, it was 100%, when their children died of covid. but there are many, many parents that are looking forward to this decision. they're ready to have those 5 to
11-year-olds vaccinated. there are other parents who will be holding back a little bit and waiting and trying to get more information and talking to their pediatricians, which is certainly what i suggest. talk to your pediatrician, family doctor, health care provider, to get good advice. >> so dr. torres, let's talk about the differences between the way adults were vaccinated and the way that kids will be, both in terms of the shots, the doses, and the places where they'll actually be vaccinated. as a parent, it's one thing, for me to stand in line at a stadium, at a mass vaccination site, but i can't imagine doing that with my kid. most parents are used to taking their kids into their pediatrician's office for vaccines. >> that's right, geoff. first, this pfizer vaccine is the same formulation as the vaccine i got when i got my pfizer shots back in january/february time frame but it's going to be a smaller dose. it's a third of the dosing, because children are smaller, their immune systems are different, and that's what they
found out in human trials. it will be the same thing but just a little bit different, a little bit less. it will be in different types of models so there won't be confusion between the adults and the children's dosing. as far as where they can get it, if you remember, back in january/february, when i got mine, mass vaccination centers. i know when i was a kid, i was scared of getting shots. and the last thing i wanted to do was to have my child wait in line for hours to get a shot and seeing everybody else getting shots. so instead what they're doing, and they've laid out the plans for this, they've laid the groundwork, having it in doctors' offices and pharmacies and not necessarily in these mass vaccination centers. the hope is by getting it out there it will be more convenient and readily available. >> what about kids who have already had covid, dr. torres? do they need to get the shot too in the same way adults would? >> that's one of the big debates that's been going on, both kids and adults who have gotten covid. what it comes down to is we don't really know, we know children get limited protection
but we don't know how long that protection lasts. we don't know how the antibodies are going to produce over time. getting them the vaccine, even if they've had covid, it gets them to a baseline in effectiveness, being able to keep covid at bay. so getting the vaccination is important even if they've had covid. >> and dr. schaffner, everybody knows how toddlers can easily pick up illnesses. what's the potential timeline for them getting access to this vaccine? >> geoff, those studies are under way. we're doing it in a staged fashion, first adults, then add adolescents, then children. we hope we'll have that information by winter and we can go ahead with them. but wait and see. each time, you want to see the science before you move ahead. >> this is certainly hopeful news, great to have the both of
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with less than a week to go in virginia's governor's raises a new poll puts the candidates in a dead heat. the poll from christopher newport university puts democrat terry mcauliffe just one point ahead of republican glenn youngkin, well within the poll's margin of error. last night president biden joe biden campaigned for mcauliffe, tying youngkin to donald trump. >> he won't stand next to trump now that the campaign is on. >> joining us is nbc's gary
grumbacher. i think we can say it has to do with the fact that the former president isn't campaigning with him in northern virginia especially. give us a sense of how youngkin's policy proposals stack up against donald trump's. >> reporter: hey there, geoff. it is a strategy of physical separation. that's really about it. you will not hear the name "donald trump" come out of glenn youngkin's mouth, like at the event here in roanoke, he didn't say "donald trump" once. but it was a lot of his policies, a lot of his ideas, we saw maga hats on supporters in the crowd. there were a number of rallying cries from the right and a number of ideas, donald trump and glenn youngkin are very similar people, of course, they
have both been in business, they're both successful businessmen, they're also also sort of considered political outsiders but not everyone is convinced this is a race about donald trump. here is what some folks had to say. >> i don't believe that he is -- is walking in trump's shadows. i believe he's his own. it's the democrats that are trying to make that association. and i encourage people to get out and look at the issues. >> reporter: now, with six days until election day, i had a chance to ask glenn youngkin about his closing message. it really has to do with the involvement of parents in their children's schools. of course the idea of critical race theory, which really started here in virginia, in loudoun county, he said it's really about the idea of getting big government out of virginians' lives. >> gary grumbach, thank you for
that report. nowhere in virginia has critical race theory been a louder issue in schools than at a school board meeting last night. to be clear, loudoun county schools do not teach critical race theory. >> reporter: good afternoon, geoff. in recent months loudoun county public school board meetings have been a battleground for everybody from mask mandates to trans gender bathroom policies and critical race theory. some parents say a sexual assault happened in a bathroom in a public school and school administrators covered it up to advance a transgender bathroom policy. others in the school community say a lot of this is disrupters from the outside who are trying
to affect an election. >> it started during the pandemic. it was covid, it was schools shutting down. and then it was virtual learning. and then next it was masks. and then all of a sudden, it was, what are we teaching our kids as it relates to diversity, equity, and inclusion, and renaming it something called critical race theory, something we never heard of before. and now it's reappropriating it for the next issue of the day. >> reporter: the superintendent of schools here has apologized to families and victims in this case and said there was no intent to deceive anyone but they will be reviewing their practices and policies in the future. in the meantime, election day is just six days away and virginia voters are being bombarded with ads from candidates on both sides, both of them using schools as a focus point. geoff? >> nbc's catie beck in loudoun county, virginia for us. ahead, a top democrat has a plan to tax the billionaires but
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house speaker nancy pelosi just sent a letter to democrats updating negotiations on the president's agenda. she wrote that democrats are, quote, close to an agreement on the priorities and the top line of the legislation. this all comes after senator ron wyden released a proposal that would have billionaires foot the bill for the party's social overhaul. the so-called billionaires income tax would target the highest earners and richest people in the country. only those who have over a billion dollars in assets or earn more than $100 million a year for three years straight would be affected. wyden says it would raise hundreds of millions of dollars each year. but one key democrat is expressing doubt. say it with us, joe manchin. >> i don't like the connotation that they're targeting different people. these people invested in society, created a lot of jobs,
give a lot to philanthropic pursuits. it's time we all pull together and row together. >> this proposal would affect fewer than a thousand americans and pay for programs that could potentially impact millions of people. joining me here in washington is nbc news digital senior political reporter jonathan allen and with us from capitol hill, punch bowl news founder jake sherman. jake, our team caught up with bernie sanders and asked him how these spending talks are going and his response is, every sensible revenue option seems to be destroyed. senator manchin's opposition to the billionaire tax didn't seem very specific. is this a red line for him, and if it is, is there any other way for the democrats to find the revenue? >> it's not just manchin who is skeptical of the billionaire tax. it's mark warner, who i spoke to earlier, who suggested that it would be an implicit endorsement
of the trump era tax cuts if democrats didn't raise tax rates, which is a very fair thing to say. he's running into the wall of kyrsten sinema who has suggested there will be no tax increases on anybody, no tax rate increases on anybody, as part of this plan. you're right, there are fewer and fewer revenue options here. i've talked to people at the white house and on capitol hill who have both said the billionaire tax is all but dead. they have to be very sensitive because of manchin. now they're talking about a high income surtax. they're talking about a couple of other proposals, i don't want to nail them down yet as they're still subject to negotiation. there are a lot of priorities that need to squeeze into a bill and so many revenue options are falling by the wayside. >> and john, you wrote this
morning it's not just the politics of this billionaire tax proposal, there's also this question of whether it's constitutional. unpack your reporting for us. >> absolutely. and one thing about what manchin said, it didn't sound that definitive to me either. there's a little wiggle room, it doesn't mean he would vote against it in the final package. there are really two questions. if you go back to the original constitution it says congress can only have taxes in a way that's proportional among the states. then the 16th amendment said they could do income taxes in addition to that. the question is for these unrealized gains of billionaires, financial assets, stocks, things like that, are they income before those assets have been acquired? so they're just carrying these on paper. the other question is can an income tax be conditional on someone's wealth. that's another constitutional question. none of this has been resolved by the supreme court yet.
one important thing to remember is the democratic leadership doesn't need for it to be constitutional to pass congress. for those trying to get the build back better deal done, if that's part of the revenue piece and it comes out later, it has come out because it already became law. >> our team was talking about this segment this morning, how we were going to talk about it here on the air, and i was reminded of what senator mitt romney had to say about this. let's play the sound and talk about it on the other side. >> you're going to tax people not when they sell something but just when they own it, and the value goes up. and what that means is people, the multibillionaires, will say, i don't want to invest in the stock market because as that goes up, i'm going to get taxed, so maybe i will instead invest in a ranch or in paintings or things that don't build jobs and create a stronger economy. >> i'm going to invest in a ranch or some paintings, it sounds like a good problem to have. is he right that as an unintended consequence, it could
remake the way of stock market works? >> no, i don't think so. i would love to have a wagner baseball card without paying taxes on it. what you might see here is some change in behavior, he's probably right about that. at the same time, the ability to watch stocks appreciate, especially if you're one of these folks who owns a company like amazon or apple, you're a big investor in apple, it's unthinkable that people will buy up land and stop investing in companies, particularly their own companies. so much of this wealth is generated by the stock that's held by the founders of these companies, they're not suddenly going to divest from their own companies, tank their own companies so they can have another ranch. >> or go by a monet or something. jake, as these talks have dragged on since may, june, july, what's the level of
frustration, level of exhaustion among the members you're speaking to? we know that president biden is fed up, because just on monday in newark he said, what are we doing, what in god's name are we doing, let's get this done. >> of course they're fed up. but this is incredibly complex. they're setting artificial deadlines to get this done. that makes it difficult. there's no reason they have to get it done this week besides the president wanting a talking point when he goes to europe and glasgow. we can't oversimplify this. john is right to a degree, and i've worked with john for a long time so i don't want to say he's wrong, he's right to a certain degree here. these people, these lawmakers, ron wyden and others, are dropping complex, untested tax proposals at the last minute, and it's understandable that people are saying, wait a second, this is untested. we know that raising rates is tested, that's what richie neal, the chairman of the ways and
means committee, said to me yesterday, we have a plan we know works, raise the rates back to what they were before donald trump cut them, and don't put this new proposal out a day before you want it, or three, five or seven days before you want it passed and say this is where we're going. i do want to say one other thing. there is a lot of concern not only about the constitutionality of the billionaire tax but also of the workability. closely held companies, private companies -- rich people already know how to hide their money. so you would have to assume -- >> and they do it well. >> right. so you have to assume if there's a incentive to buy art and ranches and keep it in other sort of illiquid assets, that people will do that. it's not something out of the realm of possibility that people say, i have $100 million, i'm going to buy a painting and it's going to appreciate and i'm not going to pay taxes on that. >> jake sherman, john allen, i appreciate the conversation, guys. democrats know they need to continue to work with senators
manchin and sinema. but are constituents in their home states as understanding? senator sinema has objected to many of the proposals so far, and her constituents are taking notice. nbc correspondent cal perry, what do the people of arizona have to say about their senator right now? >> reporter: i think people are differentiating. early this morning president biden was answering questions about what's happening with the bill. that's not happening with senator sinema, she hasn't had a town hall since she was elected. for that reason i think she's receiving a lot of criticisms on both sides of the political spectrum. i want to play for you some sound. heads up, the first two folks you'll hear from are democrats, the last is a republican. take a listen. >> we voted for her to not be
march martha mcsally, and that's how she's appearing. >> she either has a fantastic game plan and she'll pull it together in a john mccain maverick kind of way. but i don't really think so. and i hope she doesn't like really screw things up because that's the way it feels. >> i appreciate the fact that she is remaining independent, thinking about her constituents, is trying to be fiscally responsible. >> reporter: for democrats, the most optimistic view is the one you heard there, maybe she's being a foil and will get a better deal. she is against tax hikes, that will affect that reconciliation bill. so much of this, geoff, and you know this better than anybody else, is an unknown. we don't know what's in the final bill. you can count on a number of people in arizona saying, we'll
wait and see what's in the final bill before we look at what senator sinema did or didn't do. >> and senator sinema, as she was leaving a meeting with white house officials, reporters asked her how the talks were going. she said four words, "doing great, making progress." cal perry, appreciate you being with us. next hour, the chair of the congressional progressive caucus, congresswoman pramila jayapal, will join hallie jackson. coming up next, the investigation into the capitol riot. the lawyer who could be facing a subpoena and the advice he gave to donald trump. and later, on trial. more than four years after a far right rally in virginia turned deadly, its organizers are going to court. loud? the cloud would give us more flexibility, but we lose control. ♪ ♪ ♪ should i stay or should i go? ♪ and we need insights across our data silos, but how?
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"the washington post" that the january 6th committee is expected to subpoena a lawyer who advised former president trump and former vice president mike pence on how to overturn the election they lost. his name is john eastman, seen here at the rally ahead of the insurrection. he's a conservative lawyer who advised the trump legal team. now, he wrote this two-page memo outlining a scheme to get vp pence to refuse to certify the results of the election on january 6th. let's go to nbc's leigh ann caldwell on capitol hill. leigh ann, you confirmed this reporting for nbc. let's start with who eastman is and what the committee likely wants from him. >> reporter: hey, geoff. eastman, as you laid out, was a conservative lawyer who worked well, former president. he reportedly met with president trump and former vice president mike pence on january 4, just two days before january 6, to present his plan to mike pence for him to overturn the election
results and eventually declare donald trump as the victor. now, i'm told by a source that eastman is on the list of people to be subpoenaed. and he's on a very short -- on the very short list as well. that subpoena could come as early as mid-next week and perhaps even sooner. my source also told me eastman is obviously critical in their investigation because he would fall under the bucket of the categories that they're looking into, including the pressure campaign at the department of justice. and this source compared it to the committee talking to former acting attorney general rosen as well and former trump official at the department of justice donoghue. they say this will help complete a picture, get more information of what sort of pressure there was by the trump administration and his allies to pressure not only the former vice president but also the department of justice. and it's going to be a key piece of their investigation, geoff. >> it's a good point that you
make, leigh ann, because this committee is not just focused on the deadly violence of that day. they're also investigating what led up to it, right? >> absolutely. what led up to it, also their investigation starts really in the spring of 2020, when president trump started undermining the election results, before the election even took place. so it's not just about january 6th. it's about leading up to the election, election day, and after the election, until january 6. another thing they want to look into is who financed a lot of this stuff as well. that's a key component as well. >> leigh ann caldwell on top of it all for us, great reporting, thanks so much. a preview what have to expect for the january 6th defendants. it's been four years since the white supremacy rally in charlottesville turned violent. tomorrow opening arguments in a civil trial is set to begin. the rally's victims sued the
white nationalists who organized the rally, saying they planned the attacks on counterprotesters. ken dilanian is outside the courthouse in charlottesville. ken, what can we expect when opening statements get under way tomorrow? >> reporter: geoff, this is a case about the line between speech and violence. and the question of whether people urging violence in social media and internet chat rooms can be held accountable when that violence leads to real world injuries and suffering. some of these plaintiffs who filed this lawsuit were hurt in the clashes that occurred four years ago around this unite the right rally. they are alleging that the people who organized this rally and advocated violence online before the rally are responsible for their injuries and should pay damages. and they have a trove of evidence, five terabytes of evidence, including from the platform discord, of people talking about violence. let me just read an excerpt from
the complaint. the plaintiffs say, defendants posted imagery of the holocaust, slavery, jim crow, and fascism. they also brought with them armor, shields, and torches. the defendants say those weapons were there to defend themselves against counterprotesters and they say the speech urging violence was not to be taken seriously and was protected by the first amendment. that's what this jury, which was seated over the last three days, is going to decide. opening arguments in this trial begin tomorrow. >> ken, you said the plaintiffs in this want damages. are they putting a specific dollar amount on it? >> reporter: not that we've seen. but the whole purpose of this lawsuit is to essentially bankrupt some of these far right organizations, to make them pay a penalty. even before this case went to trial, that has worked in a sense. one of the defendants, richard spencer, has called this a financially crippling lawsuit. as you said, geoff, there are implications for january 6th,
because donald trump, steve bannon, rudy giuliani, they are all defendants in very similar lawsuits using the same 1871 ku klux klan law, arguing that they were responsible for some of the violence of january 6th even though they haven't been charged criminally. that's going to go forward in this case. the courthouse behind me will be a precedent for those january 6 lawsuits, geoff. >> ken dilanian in charlottesville, thank you very much. next, why you should prepare to pay more for your thanksgiving feast. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world.
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