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we'll dig in to where the race stands and talk to dnc chair jaime harrison about why the effects of this race will reach far beyond the state. nancy pelosi and her fellow democrats are meeting behind closed doors right now as democrats once again have put themselves in a tight spot when it comes to the president's agenda. speaker pelosi said she wanted a deal on human infrastructure and a vote on hard infrastructure by tomorrow. she's been telling us a vote was imminent for more than a month. we'll see what happens. recently she's been saying democrats are almost there. it is 90% done. just a few more things to work out. even some of her own colleagues in the house are now saying i'll believe it when i see it. let's bring in our guests. at this point, how much of what happens next is up to speaker
pelosi? right now it feels like joe manchin is calling the shots. >> that's how it's long felt, steph. technically speaker pelosi is the one calling the shots here on the house side, whether or not that bipartisan infrastructure bill actually comes up for a vote this week. our understanding is they're still aiming for wednesday, but that's tomorrow. that's pretty soon. especially when joe manchin is the one who seems like he's in the driver's seat, especially on these last few sticking points in getting that larger social spending bill put together and agreed to. we're getting a better sense from our sources and over the last week, we had more of a clear sense of what's in and out of this bill than we have at any point before. specifically our sources have been talking to us about the sticking points. the things that senator joe manchin may be for or more aptly against in this bill. i'll show you right now on the screen, things like medicare dental vouchers, paid family leave, that's a huge one.
senator joe manchin not forred p pa not for the pared down four week medical leave policy. some of the other things that may also end up falling out because senator manchin is opposed to them, medicaid expansion as well as a wealth tax on billionaires. that's not something manchin is opposed to but something that is a sticking point here as these senators and lawmakers try to figure out how to pay for this plan. specifically on paid leave, i pressed manchin on this yesterday. he was cagey on where he stands on this. listen to what he told me. >> senator, is paid leave part of that framework right now for you? >> i won't talk about what's in and out right now, there's an awful lot of moving parts. there's a lot of concerns we have. we're looking at how to put it together. >> you're concerned about paid leave in this? >> i'm concerned about an awful lot of things. >> look, one of the other concerns here has long been timing. we mentioned at the beginning of
this that speaker pelosi and house democrats aim to have a vote on this tomorrow. at the same time, key progressivs have said they need at least an agreement on a framework. it doesn't seem like we'll have that by tomorrow. >> let's be clear, it's not a wealth tax on billionaires, it's an income tax. they don't pay themselves much. this is massively easy to avoid. does the white house have any red lines at this point? every day something is being cut from their plan. what were the things joe biden was selling on the trail, a lot of that might not be in here anymore. >> the president has two red lines according to the white house. the first one is not to raise taxes on anyone making less than $400,000. and the second one, according to officials i've spoken with, is inaction. that the option of doing nothing here is not acceptable to him. that is a red line, that something needs to get done. the question of timing, of
course, is one that is crucial now given the president is supposed to leave about 48 hours from now for those two key economic and climate summits in europe. when he's going to be overseas, the white house says his preference would be to have some kind of deal or agreement in hand. that does not seem to be as increasingly likely as it was a couple days ago. jen psaki said that the president had a "pep in his step after meeting with senator manchin on sunday and majority leader chuck schumer." but then these demands yesterday from the progressives about the timing of these particular votes means maybe the president will be wheels up for europe without anything completely agreed to. today and tomorrow, i'm told he'll be working behind the scenes, talking with lawmakers, seeing if they can get closer to yes. but the president here really wanting to bring this on the world stage to show world leaders how serious he is about these things.
the white house is saying that's not a deadline we had set. it was congressional leadership who had halloween circled. obviously there is an intense optical and diplomatic intention here to try to have the president be able to tout something. later this morning we'll hear from the national security adviser, jake sullivan, on how they'll walk that fine line with this trip just around the corner and no deal in sight yet. >> john, progressives may be making demands as of yesterday, but is this white house listening? right now it seems like joe manchin is the guy the president is with. >> yeah. he's focused on manchin and sinema of arizona. manchin is speaking right now as we're talking. he's giving an address. i just think that there's a couple deadlines here we have to watch. not only the president's trip, there's the federal surface transportation deadline of october 31st that runs out. if they need to extend that,
they have to get some agreement from senate republicans. that's not going to be easy to do. and the big one, the really big one is november 2nd. you opened your piece talking about this, they're worried about virginia. if terry mcauliffe loses, they're worried about moderates will run for the hills if there's not an agreement in place and they'll be worried about a repeat of 2009 and 2010 and democrats getting wiped out in the midterms. >> joe manchin is speaking, he's in an interview with david rubin style, co-founder of carlyle. the president of one of the biggest private equity firms. talk about this billionaires tax. this is kind of nonsense. they are being taxed on this income. people this wealthy pay themselves a tiny amount.
this is not a wealth tax. this is another giant loophole they can swan dive through. >> you're right because senator warren talked about a wealth tax. >> that's not what this is. that's not what this is. >> senator widen lectured us yesterday saying this is a billionaire income tax. the way they're structuring it now, we have not seen paper on it yet, if you reach a certain income level over three years or your wealth is over a billion dollars for three years, you would pay a certain tax. >> there's always sorts of legal questions about it, whether it's constitutional. the chairman of the house ways and means community is not sure it is. the democrats like their plan. they want to raise individual rates and the corporate rate. that's what they would like to do. until we see the senate plan, we're not sure what this billionaire income tax is.
i agree with you, they're trying to do this on the fly, and, you know, there's been no hearings on it. it's just -- until you see it, it's not even clear it will work. >> widen and richie always invited here. i'm anxious to see how this gets written. it's not going to be easy. manchin also spoke at a small dinner last night. he urged corporate america and people of influence to step up to the plate and said if they don't, we're in trouble. what does that even mean? no one pays more taxes than they're required to. he's not looking to raise anybody's taxes. the current corporate tax rate right now is lower than most corporations ask for before trump cut it. jamie dimon said we didn't need 21, we would have been fine with 25, 26. >> yeah. manchin actually is on those similar numbers. he would be fine with a rate of
25 as well. manchin is not the sticking point when it comes to raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy. that's a kyrsten sinema problem. what manchin was talking about in that dinner, and it's telling who he's spending his time with in the 11th hour of these negotiations, he was at a very d.c. restaurant last night with journalists and a republican congressman having a conversation mostly off the record, part of it was on. part of this was on. what he was talking about there more broadly was not necessarily corporations weighing in on behalf of the pay forces in this bill and tax rates, he was talking about more broadly the donor structure in politics and in washington urging people with power and influence and in this case money to urge the people that they're supporting and who are asking them for money at fund-raisers and other such events to work across the aisle and be bipartisan. mansion saying he feels the system is broken up here in
washington as it exists now but that people with power and influence can urge the people that they're monetarily backing to actually make progress and do work across the i'll. >> joe manchin saying the system is broken. pretty much the most obvious thing anyone has said in the history of humanity. thank you all. john, welcome back. as we speak, an advisory panel for the fda in the middle of a hugely consequential meeting. their decision on the pfizer vaccine could pave the way for children under the age of 12 to start getting vaccinations within the next couple of weeks. dr. richard besser joins us, he's pediatrician, president and ceo of the robert wood foundation, and the acting director of the cdc. i know this is part of the process. it has to go through the fda, through the cdc. at this point, have you seen any reason why the vaccine would not be approved? >> no. you know, as i look at the data, i'm expecting that the advisory
committee to the fda is going to recommend that this is authorized. i expect then that fda would authorize it and it would go to cdc for recommendations. but, you know, when we're done talking i will be watching that hearing. it's important that this committee can weigh the data, weigh the evidence and make a determination so that as a pediatrician i feel comfortable recommending this vaccine to my patients. that is really important. as we've seen over the course of this pandemic, trust is a critical piece of this. we want parents to feel comfortable that anything recommended for their children has been thoroughly reviewed, analyzed, if it's recommended it's safe and effective. >> so that very point, i want to share a new poll from the kaiser family foundation. it says among parents of children between the ages of 5 and 11, basically one-third of them say they'll wait and see before getting their kids vaccinated. nearly a quarter of them say
they definitely will not get them vaccinated. that is a big surprise to me. what are parents telling you their biggest worries are? what are you going to tell them? >> you know, i look at those numbers and i see it the other way. i'm really encouraged that there's 40% of parents who want to get this vaccine for their children as soon as it's approved and ready. i was in clinic on friday, and i was talking to a parent of a teenager who said, you know, i still want to wait a little bit. i want to see how this goes as more and more kids get this. i think that's what we'll see here with the younger age group. thankfully covid is not as severe in this age range, but we've seen 6 million cases in children. we've seen more than 150 children in the 5 to 11 age range who died from covid. it's such a tragedy. i expect that what we're going to see is there's going to be a big rush by a lot of parents to
get this. there's going to be a big group that wants to wait, and that group who says absolutely not, as they see families being able to do more, as they see kids with the emotional release of not having to worry about this in the same way, we'll see more parents saying i really want to get this. the way this is being rolled out through doctors offices will help with that. you want parents to have access to someone they trust. you know, their pediatrician, family doctor, nurse practitioner. that's important here. i want to encourage parents -- so many parents in america don't get paid time off to go to their doctor. make an appointment now for a time that's convenient to you so you can get in there and get your questions answered. >> i want to talk big picture. a year ago today you were on a covid commission in the northeast. now today, the northeast is leading the country in terms of vaccination rates. several states have at least two-thirds of our residents fully vaccinated.
the "wall street journal" saying today that new york and new jersey might be the first states where the virus becomes endemic, meaning it essentially becomes part of our every-day life. what is your take on how far we've come in the last year? >> well, you know, we've come really far. you know, you and i talked about this. it's absolutely miraculous that we have three vaccines that are safe and effective against a new infectious agent. we had that within a year of it being identified. the part of this that i think is tragic is that there's so many adults who have decided not to get vaccinated. here in new jersey, overall, 70% of people are fully vaccinated. but if you break it down here in princeton where i aim, it's about 80%. in trenton, it's about 60%. so there's still gaps in communities. your big question, i do think
this is something that we will end up needing to live with. that's the concept of is it endemic. what that means -- it's to be determined -- does it become seasonal like the flu? where each winter or fall we get ready and we get our shots and we try to keep it under control? hopefully we'll learn something from this pandemic. one thing i think we'll learn is when flu season comes around, that's a good time to get out those masks, when there's a lot of flu in your community, put them on. last winter we saw very little flu. usually in a flu year we may see 30,000 people who die from flu. what we're learning is those deaths are preventable if we take some steps. that's something that could be incredible. >> get vaccinatevaccinated, mas we'll live with it. don't do either, we'll die with it. thank you. a month's worth of rain in 24 hours expected in the northeast. my halloween decorations are weeping right now with millions
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unfolding in the northeast. a rare october nor'easter unleashing a nasty blast of heavy rain and wind. it's all happening as the west coast recovers from the historic bomb cyclone and the midwest braces for more possible tornadoes. stephanie gosk is keeping track of all of it. how many people are in the storm's path? >> you have tens of millions of people in the storm's path. this nor'easter blowing in here. a lot of people happy this rain is not snow. it could be in a couple of months. it's been raining hard. it's raining hard right now and all through the night. there has been a flash flood watch here in effect in new york city. there are places in new jersey where that's actually a flash flood warning. you may remember back at hurricane ida, the rem and ins remnants of ida how hard this city was hit. 11 people lost their lives in
queens in basement apartments because the water rose so quickly during that storm. this storm is not nearly as powerful as that one, it's not going to drop nearly as much rain but the city has been on high alert. they brought crews in to clear out gutters and to bring water pumps in to make sure people are safe. also the mayor advising people who live in those basement apartments to seek higher ground. elsewhere there are concerns about the subway system, which was completely shut down during the remnants of hurricane ida. they had hundreds of crews out overnight in 50 different subway stations covering those vents. you may remember the water cascading down into subways during that other storm. later this storm will peter out around noon and be replaced by gusty winds, 25 miles per hour to 30 miles per hour, 50 miles per hour out on long island. all of those conditions will push up to the northeast, they'll feel the rain in
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in less than an hour, a senate panel will hold a hearing on protecting children online with a focus on snapchat, tiktok and youtube. on an earnings call yesterday, facebook's ceo, mark zuckerberg, said the company would be retooling to focus on younger users, calling them the company's north star. he also defended the company against criticism coming from the facebook papers. in a series of internal documents released by the former company insider, frances haugen, despite the criticism, facebook said it made$9 billion in the third quarter of this year. brandi zadrozky, garrett haake and dominic chu join us. dominic, when a company gets horrific news week after week
the company loses in earnings, but facebook increased. >> it's not that the market doesn't care about these types of stories, it's that they already have cared and they're trying to look ahead to what's in the future for facebook. facebook stock has been pummelled over the last couple of months. about 150 billion worth of market losses was in anticipation of how facebook's business model would be impacted by, among other things, first of all apple's decision to let customers decide if they want their data tracked across different apps that is used towards target marketing for them for social media companies. these whistle-blower allegations made by frances haugen and the facebook papers, they most certainly had a market impact on facebook, but market watchers are focused on what facebook
will do to adapt its business model to more regulatory scrutiny over what they should and shouldn't be allowed to do and how they continue to make money. $9 billion the past quarter. that's going to be the big hangover for investors to get over. the reason the stock could go higher on days like this is because facebook and other tech companies have faced government crackdowns like this in the past and emerged bigger and even more profitable, so investors are trying to handicap those types of odds. >> yeah. because at the end of the day, the government doesn't do anything. they're looking backwards saying $9 billion, advertisers didn't go anywhere. to dom's point, the market pays attention to see what the regulatory environment will be like. the market is saying ain't nothing going to happen. any reason to believe congress will do anything besides scream and yell? >> not any time soon. congressional lawmakers are united in their frustration about the big tech companies, in
particular the way facebook handled itself and the way it's become in many cases a monopoly. there are lawmakers who want to take on privacy concerns. ones who want to take on questions of parental controls. ones who want to look at the anttrust elements of this, some folks see this as censorship or going after a successful american company. i think we're in an investigative and fact finding phase in congress. meaningful regulation sees a long way off. >> randi, zuckerberg says young people will become their new north star. your reporting says otherwise. it's older users that are on this platform 24/7 and they're the ones getting radicalized. >> yeah. facebook is generally thought of as a place where, you know, mag maga
folks hang out and look at content on their site. that has been a sore spot for facebook for the last couple of years. our reporting on the leaks from frances haugen shows a lot of information on that. one report from march analyzed users who shared misinformation found the older they were, the more misinformation they shared and that teens were least likely to share that information. facebook needs these young people to survive. teenage use of facebook in the u.s. declined by 13% since 2009. it's expected to drop another 45%. instagram is still popular with teens, but these internal documents did show that young people are using instagram less. snapchat, tiktok are way more popular. facebook will need to find a way to be cool again. >> i know i would hate to be cool again. we'll leave it there. we are keeping an eye on senator joe manchin speaking this
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♪ oh, it's all right ♪ . we've been keeping a close eye on senator joe manchin, the man at the center of negotiations over the president's agenda. he's been speaking at the economic club in washington and moments ago he was asked about the possibility of switching parties. here's what he said. >> have you ever thought life would be easier for you if you shifted to being a republican and somebody said recently that people have approached you about doing that. >> every day. >> every day.
so -- >> either that or -- i -- >> wouldn't life be easier for you to do that? >> it would be much easier. is that the purpose of being involved in public service because it's easy? >> are you thinking about doing it? >> no. i never thought -- what i'm telling you now is who i am. do you think by having a "d," an "i" or an "r" would change who i am? i don't think the "r"s would be happier than the "d"s are right now. i don't know where the hell i belong. >> jim jordan switched parties, but of course if joe manchin wasn't a democrat, he wouldn't have all the power that he does. now let's switch to virginia where early voting is under way in the virginia governor's race. this morning the state is actually looking like a nail biter. terry mcauliffe and republican glenn youngkin are in a dead heat right now. the election could give an early
look at what could happen in the midterms and it's a critical test for president biden's agenda as he heads to virginia to go to a rally tonight with mcauliffe. steve kornacki is here to break it all down. where do things stand? >> you put up that brand-new poll, we've been seeing a lot of polls that look like that in the last couple of days or the last week. an average of those polls basically puts mcauliffe ahead by a point in a state that joe biden carried by ten points a year ago, a state trending democratic over the last generation or so. with a democrat in the white house, democrats controlling congress, that tends to be a good environment for the opposition party in governor's races in virginia. let's look at where things landed in virginia last year. biden won the state by 10 points. joe biden now going in to virginia to try to boost terry mcauliffe, maybe help try to
save terry mcauliffe. joe biden will be in arlington, virginia. one of the biggest reasons for biden's ten-point margin is this blue area you see right here. this is right outside of washington, d.c. these are big, densely populated suburbs. the metro area of d.c. they've been trending heavily towards democrats. arlington county, where joe biden will be, look at that. joe biden got more than 80% of the vote here against donald trump. here's the thing for terry mcauliffe, it's not in doubt these blue counties will be strong for terry mcauliffe next week. the question is how strong. if terry mcauliffe is performing next week on election night in a place like arlington county at this level, the biden level, he should be fine statewide. look here at the trend. this is arlington county. hillary clinton against trump in 2016 wasn't quite as big in the margin. go back to 2012, obama versus romney, biden won by 63 points in arlington county.
barack obama in 2012 won by 40 points. the trump era took what had been a growing democratic strength in northern virginia and accelerated it. the question is how much of that can terry mcauliffe with donald trump no longer in the white house, how much of those gains can terry mcauliffe hold on to versus how many inroads in the northern virginia suburbs, also in the richmond suburbs, some other parts of the state, how many inroads into those areas can glenn youngkin make? one other here. this is one i'll pay close attention to the next tuesday night when the results come in, this is louden county. d.c. suburbs really getting out there. joe biden won here, a big county. joe biden beat donald trump in this county by 25 points last year. look at the trend in louden county over the last couple of elections. biden won by 25%, clinton won by 17%, obama in 2012 won louden
county by 4 points. so that was the trump effect in a place like louden county. blow-out margins for the democrats. glenn youngkin, he doesn't need to win louden county next week, i don't think he's going to win louden county, but can he erase those surge gains that democrats made in the trump era? can he get it under 15 points? if he can do that in louden county and other places like it, he can win statewide. >> then, kyle, if the key to glenn young kin winning is to not tie himself to donald trump, how is it if youngkin wins, this gets viewed as this is a great win for the republican party and the most powerful person in that party is trump? >> look, the key thing is that trump is not in the white house anymore. does he have the same motivational effect on democrats that he did while he was in the white house? this election is in some ways a good test of it. i also think frankly a
gubernatorial race -- everything is nationalized now in american politics. the governor's races are a little less nationalized. you do have a republican governor in states like massachusetts and vermont and maryland. you have democratic governors in states like kansas and kentucky and louisiana. so it may be that, you know, youngkin can distance himself from the national brand more than the federal candidates can. the other thing is that this is not a midterm election in virginia but sort of the same dynamics in that this race breaks against the presidential party like midterms do. the presidential party often does worse in the virginia governor's race than they did in virginia in the prior presidential election from a year ago. it's natural for there to be some drop off. the key thing is how much drop off will there be? is that enough to wipe out a ten-point democratic advantage? history suggests that certainly can happen in virginia. we're seeing that this race is very close.
>> all right. kyle, steve, thank you both. i want to dig deeper and bring in someone watching this race very closely. dnc chair person, jaime harrison. this is the first big test for democrats, but in virginia and nationwide why is it that it seems democrats keep running against trump? he's not in office. >> listen, stephanie, i wouldn't say this is the first big test. we had to fight back and push back against recall in california. we have a race in new jersey right now and in virginia as well. this is the thing, donald trump, if you ask the republicans, he's still the head of their party. rona mcdaniel said that often. we see that in terms of how republicans react. he has endorsed glenn youngkin six times in this race. so his presence is looming still in american politics. so therefore it's important that the voters in the commonwealth
of virginia understand that youngkin is a trump accolite. he is against marriage equality. last time i looked, it's 2021, and he's against marriage equality. he has an ad out where he wants to ban booked like "beloved." again, this sort of harkins back to the old past that we've had in this country where there's only certain elevated communities. that's what young kin represents. it's important that we educate the voters in the commonwealth that that's who he is. >> trump is a looming threat but he's not in power, democrats are. right now democrats have not gotten anything done on infrastructure, voting rights, gun reform and police reform. how do you get voters energized in virginia for democratic ideals, not just against trump? >> this is the thing.
with all of the issues that you mentioned, those things are in progress. it's been nine months since joe biden has been president of the united states. what has he gotten done? he got the american rescue plan done, in and of itself, if you look at the size of that bill and the things that it actually did and accomplished, it's nothing short of amazing. take one aspect of that alone, just the child tax credit. it's cut poverty in half. nothing has ever done that in the history of this country. we were able to get that done. we saved pensions, we got shots in arms. we did so much in that bill. right now congress is negotiating on some more big things in order to get done for the american people. again, you know, this process ain't a fast one. i know we're all sort of mcdonald's/burger king mentality where you can go through the drive-through and get something done an get it done in a hurry but that's not how the legislative process works.
you have to do negotiations and move things forward. we're on the brink of doing just that. i'm proud of what we've done so far. i know we'll continue to deliver for the american people moving forward. >> are you worried that democrats overpromised? that $3.5 trillion human infrastructure bill had tons of great things in there, but at the end of the day, you're not going to be able to deliver on a lot of it. best case, even if you only get the trillion dollar bipartisan infrastructure deal, that's a huge win. but at this point, do democrats feel like it's a win? they were promised a lot more. >> listen, i think the folks on main street, people -- beautitio beauticians, barber shots, they want to see congress is working for them. they are getting things done. you don't get all you want at one time. you think about what we were trying to accomplish with slim majority. i think back to history and what
lbj and fdr, they had 100 plus majorities in the house. huge majorities in the senate. we got a handful. and we are about to accomplish something that has not been seen since that time. so i think at the end of the day, the american people want us to get things done for them. we're working on their behalf. on the contrast, there's not much going on with the republican side. they're trying to hide from the insurrection. they're trying to avoid this and that and block things instead of actually delivering for the american people. i'm proud of our folks. it ain't easy all the time. i'm proud of them because they're working on behalf of the american people. >> it never is. those beauticians and barbers, you know what else they care about? inflation. prices going up. democrats will have to start addressing that in the now and not saying it's transitory. coming up, as biden tries to push his agenda across the finish line, what does the party
in that last segment, i was talking about west virginia governor. i said jim jordan, i meant jim justice. i want to make that correction. now let's move on to that tragic shooting on a movie set in new mexico. finally a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning almost a week out after we learn more details about what went wrong and a similar push to keep accidents from happening in the future. miguel almaguer is in santa fe with the latest. miguel? >> reporter: stephanie, over the last couple of days, investigators have been coming and going from this ranch behind me, leaving with bags of evidence, including firearms and spent shell casings. tomorrow, we expect to hear a press conference and more
details as to what exactly what went wrong here. >> reporter: the set of "rust" now on indefinite pause, as santa fe sheriffs look to determine what caused the fatal accident. >> we have two people accidentally shot on a movie set by a prop gun. >> reporter: the deadly shot fired by alec baldwin from a prop gun he believed was safe. his wife, halaria posting on instagram, my heart is with halyna, her husband, her son, their family and loved ones and my alec. cinematographer, halyna hutchins, passed away after being hit in the chest. the shot also wounding director, joel sousa. according to a search warrant davitt, baldwin was given the gun by assistant director dave halls, who grabbed one of three prop guns that have set up by the armorer off a cart left outside of the structure due to covid-19 restrictions. neither halls nor armorer, hanna
gutierrez reid, have spoken publicly about the tragedy. but this is not the first time halls has been criticized for safety issues. in 2019, he was fired by another film production after a gun went off unexpectedly, injuring a member of the sound crew. but industry experts say only the armorer or the prop master should be handing weapons on the set, not the assistant director. >> i'll be honest with you, they would have broken fingers if they picked up a gun off my cart. that does not happen. >> reporter: armorer clay van sickle says the difference between a live or dummy round is easy to spot. >> i would click through six times, so everybody could hear, that nothing happens. it's literally that simple. and it takes seconds. and there's no reason not to do it. >> reporter: veteran prop master neil zarovski says he sensed
warning signs on "rust" even before the job began. >> i turned the job opportunity down because i felt it was completely unsafe. >> reporter: zarovski says one big red flag is that producers took two distinct and challenging jobs, assistant prop master and armorer, and combined them into one. >> i impressed upon them that there were great concerns about that and they really didn't really respond to my concerns about that. >> reporter: hutchins' death has fueled an outcry for improved safety on film and tv sets. an industry in mourning and seeking answers for what went wrong. after the tragedy on set here, there's been a push to end the use of firearms on television and movie sets. that continues to be talked about industry-wide. stephanie, back to you. >> we'll pay close attention to this story. up next, one year out from the midterms, we're focusing on key counties across the country, talking to voters about what masters most. the answer on the other side of the break. most the answer on the other side of the break. ystery.
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new this morning, nbc news and "meet the press" are relaunching the special series "county to county." just over one year out from the 2022 midterms, we've got our team of reporters stationed in key counties across the country that could determine the balance of power in congress. it to go first to ellison barber in deep red chattanooga county, georgia. ellison, you've been talking to voters there. what is the number one issue in their lives? >> reporter: hey, stephanie. so this county went for donald trump big last time. he won with 80% of the vote. the population overall was declining, but when he was on the ballot, voter turnout actually went up. president trump has done a lot to create doubt in the election process and that is something that we feel a lot when we're speaking to voters here. they do not entirely trust the election process. and the key question now is
whether or not the enthusiasm that was seen at the polls earlier, if that is just for him or if it can translate to another republican candidate. everyone we've spoken to say, even though they don't entirely trust the election process, they still plan to vote and their faith has a lot to do with it. >> of course, we're right in the bible belt, so a lot of church values, christian values in general. >> the church is a big part of the people of this community. >> does your faith impact how you vote? >> yes. it does. it has a lot to do with it. >> we talk about a lot of issues out there. i think probably the biggest one that the religious community is involved in is abortion. >> reporter: this is a deeply evangelical community. abortion is not just an issue for many voters here, it is the issue. now, let's head a little farther south to duvall county, florida,
where our colleague shaq brewster is. hey, shaq. >> reporter: hi, there, ellison. when we talk about duvall county, we're essentially talking about jacksonville, florida. a sprawling area that was a republican stronghold until democrats flipped it in 2018 and then again in 2020. with the help of suburban voters who were turned off by trump, and also democratic voters and a growing base that you see here. and that's why you have democrats warning the folks in washington to get something done, to avoid more conversations, like this one here. >> you voted in 2020? >> yes, and i will never vote again. >> why not? >> because there's no change. i don't feel like i was heard. the choice i made didn't do anything. and didn't -- nothing changed! it's still the same. we're still facing the same things we've been facing for years. >> what are the promises you feel are unfulfilled at this point? >> he's not really doing anything to help with the hate that we're still getting from
everywhere else in the country. like, he just -- he did all of that pandering just to get a vote. >> reporter: now, republicans here say they are feeling optimistic, talking about issues like rising prices and the job shortage, issues you're feeling all across the country, including in north carolina, where we find our colleague, antonia hilton. >> reporter: hey, shaq. welcome to anson county, north carolina. this is a quiet, rural community. and right here we're focused on the rural black vote. and this is a community here where black voters are in power. they're the chief of police, they're the superintendent of the local schools. and on the chamber of commerce, but they're also dealing with serious frustrations, not that different from what shaq just spoke about right there. this is a community where many people still don't have access to broadband, some folks don't even have running water. the issues that matter to these voters are the essentials. take a listen to melody county, she's on the chamber of commerce board and she's also the owner of a bed and breakfast here.
and for her, voting right now is an act of hope. take a listen. >> i would want them to know that we are typical. we are the ones who go to work every day, we fight for what we need. and we need to know that the people who we are sending there are doing the very same thing, that they are working together to do the things that they were sent there to do. >> all right. and a quick correction, ellison is in chattooga county, my mistake. ellison, shaq, thank you so much. we'll continue to track these counties over the next year. that's where voting matters. thank you all for watching. that wraps up this hour. i'm