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untruthful antitrump commercials to run. and despite parting ways with two decision desk executives, bill salmon, and chris, it's bringing back initiative, all of this has conservatives wondering in new york for newsmax i'm mike herder. newsmax directly taking on the longest ebola sliver all network fox news. this will certainly be fun to watch from the sidelines that is our broadcast for this monday evening, as we start a new week on behalf of all of our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, goodnight. >> >> happy to have you here. tomorrow president biden is going to be in virginia. campaigning in the governor's race there, virginia will elect a new governor a week from tomorrow, it will either be a democrat terry mcauliffe, for whom president biden is campaigning tomorrow, or
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republican glenn youngkin. who was endorsed by donald trump. pulse in virginia, show that as of now it's a tight race. as a matter of odds, in history and statistics. the democrats really have their work cut out for them in this race. over the course of my lifetime, and i'm old, i was born in 1973. i know right. over the course of my entire life, every time a new president, has been elected to the white house, the other party wins the virginia's governor's race the following year. virginia holds its governor's race in off years and not years. so there's always a governor's race after a presidential election. the year after. and it happens every single time, whoever the new president, is you just won the presidency. the other party that wins in virginia, every single time, when i was three, jimmy carter won the presidency in 1976, a
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democrat obviously. 1977 -- then in 1988 was ronald reagan who won the presidency, obviously a republican, in 1981 it was a democrat when the virginia governor the following year. it happens every time. when george h. w. bush won 80 88, as a republican. democrat won the governorship of virginia. when clinton won in 90, to as a democrat, virginia governor's race went to a republican in 93. when george w. bush, one in 2000, a democrat won the virginia governor ship the following year. after obama won in 2008, that's how we got republican virginia governor bob macdonnell in 2000, nine after trump won in 2016, we got democrat wealth northam elected in virginia. in 2017, it is uncanny. every single time since i've been alive, it has gone this way. and since we just got a newly elected democratic president this year. if virginia holds to this
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longest ambush pattern, then the republicans, are cast by the fate, as the likely victors. in this year's virginia governor's race. that is if you follow the odds. if you follow the history, hear history would say that the republicans have an itch. that said, this year the republicans have picked a trump guy, as their candidate, they didn't have to. but they did, they picked a trump endorsed candidate, right after trump just lost virginia, by more than ten points. this weekend, the washington post editorial board, obviously their home readership includes a lot of virginia. the post editorial board this weekend just strips the proverbial hide off of republican virginia candidate glenn youngkin. it's the kind of election eve editorial you don't expect from that particular editorial page, but oh my god they now hold back. quote, next month's elections
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in virginia, next week's elections in virginia, coincide with the singular moment in u.s. history, in which one major party has turned against accepting the results, of free and fair elections. that momentous juncture post character test for all republicans, which turns on this question. will they stand against the assault on democracy,'s most basic precept, or will they tolerate it. the gop gubernatorial nominee glenn youngkin, has failed that character test. a wealthy private equity executive turned political newcomer, mr. youngkin has indulged and encourage republicans who have swallowed former president donald trump's lie, that last year's presidential election was stolen, and then an american elections or not to be trusted. few stances could be more subversive to the american experiment, or more corrosive to our pluralistic systems fundamental legitimacy. few shine so pray a spotlight on candidates courage and
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commitment to the constitution, or lack thereof. quote, it seems likely that mr. youngkin knows, that u.s. elections, including last year's presidential contest, have largely been free of any significant farther cheating. and to suggest otherwise is flat out dishonesty. nonetheless, for months, as he sought the gubernatorial nomination, and while mr. trump promoted those lies and refused to concede the results of the election, mr. youngkin refused to acknowledge that president biden was fairly elected. or the allegations that the 2020 election was stolen, were baseless allegations. to the contrary, during those months, mr. youngkin's number one policy proposal, and the only one for which he supplied any detail, was to established a state commission, on election integrity, and idea that wanes at the prevalent and bases idea that elections are fraudulent. he dodged a question about whether he had been in congress, he would have certified mr. biden's election, unsolicited he raised collections about virginia's voting machines and
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if they can be, trusted insisted they should be audited. which they already are. he attended an election integrity rally at liberty university, in lynchburg, when asked by a hopeful republican, voter whether the courts might reverse the 2020 election results, youngkin dodged, saying that courts move slowly. and it's quote, unclear whether they might reinstalled donald trump as president. the post concludes, this is not an everyday campaign dispute, we might disagree with mr. youngkin and say, medicaid expansion, without arguing that his stance is disqualifying. but at a moment where democracy itself is under assault, glenn youngkin chose to dignify fundamental fiction, that is subverting our system, rather than stand up squarely for the truth. in so doing he proved himself unfit for office. and. and of the editorial. that's the washington post this,
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weekend calmly but completely, eviscerating the republican who is running for governor next week in virginia. it's one thing for the paper to, say we prefer this one candidate over, another it's one thing to say, that it's another thing for them to say one of these two guys is unfit for office, there was a test for character in this race and he has failed it. as we head towards that very important governor's race next week. again, history does not favor the democrats, here the polls show it's very, tight that, said they're running this trump, guy trying to slice virginia by ten points. it's going to be a very very close contest, if the polls are, right it's going to be fascinating to watch. it's obviously very consequential. this is also worth watching as we head to election day in virginia. the democratic party of, virginia's just filed a lawsuit against the u.s. postal service. accusing the post office of a failure to process and deliver election related, mail in a timely manner. potentially leading to the disenfranchisement of virginia's absentee ballots, in the statewide virginia election
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on november 2nd. they're asking the court to order the post office, to prioritize and expedite election related mail, ahead of next week's election the party singles out three counties, all of which voted for biden over trump, where they say they have particular concerns, about on the skin, and an process election materials, piling up. i should just mention here, post offices is having a minute right now. the guy who was appointed under, trump to run the post, office's name is -- he's still in charge. even though he is personally under fbi federal criminalization, on top of that, last, week nbc news reported on new documents that were obtained by court order, which show that he's conflicts of interest are way worse than what was previously known. we knew already that his old company, which is still financially benefits, from his company got a 120 million
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dollar contract from the post office last year. while he is running the post office. and while he's still benefits financially from that company, that he just gave 120 million dollar contract to. wait a minute. beyond that even, he has had a financial stake in 13 other major companies, that have been doing business with the post office, while he has been running the post office. and it's not subtle. last, year jpmorgan chase announced that four months, it had been in talks with the post, office about potentially putting chase bank, atms, in post office lobbies across the country. that's nice. that's nice for chase bank, particularly nice for the head of the post office, who at the time of those talks, had a large personal financial, stake in jpmorgan chase. oh really. all that on top of him promising to increase the cost of sunday mail this, year
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specifically for the christmas season. 'tis the season. everybody likes to mail things for christmas, so he'll give the american people a special christmas present this, year of specially hikes postal rates, just for christmas. and that's on top of the new plan he is just started implementing, to make the u.s. mail service, permanently slower. and permanently more expensive. except for christmas, when he's making it even more expensive than that, happy mary. happy mary, mary happy. enjoy the holiday. and now he stands accused, in federal court, in virginia, of screwing up the mail, so much it may mess up another election, according to the democratic party of virginia, this lawsuit they just filed, and scanned an processed election, mail piling up in particular in three democratic counties. that biden won last, year in this just eight days before the election, in virginia. thank, you are doing a great job, yes virginia there is a
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santa claus. but it's not this guy. here's the other thing though that's going on in virginia. that is worth paying attention, to both in its own right. but also because this is going to be a blockbuster thing, that's going to be unfolding at a very high profile way in virginia, this weekend into next, and beyond, just as virginia voters are going to the polls in this super important election, it is now, just over four years, since a rotten assortments, if you'll forgive me, of neo-nazis and white supremacist, in antisemites, convened in charlottesville virginia, to basically terrorize that town, in the university of virginia campus. this was the jews will not replace us torched lip march. the guys with rifles and pistols and clubs, and chemical spray. and swastikas flags.
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marching through charlottesville, surrounding the only synagogue in charlottesville, assaulting counter protesters ultimately one of their number, and devout neo-nazi, rammed his car at high speed into a group of counter protesters, killing one of. them young woman, and at least 19 other people, quite severely. the guy who deliberately drove that car into that crowd, is now facing not, one but two life sentences, without the possibility of parole, plus another 419 years on top of, that for good measure. but, just days after the debacle in charlottesville, a very interesting legal strategy started to come together, to try to pursue some kind of accountability, not just for that murder, now convicted murderer, but for the neo-nazi and white supremacist groups, that did not just plan to come to charlottesville to speak their, minds they planned the violence there, and we know
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that in part, because it leaked screenshots, of these guys planning and promoting the charlottesville event on line. interactions on line which sowed them promising in hyping and celebrating that it would be violent in charlottesville. that the violence would specifically target jewish, people and people of color. quote, there is an rage in, us deep in us, that is ready to boil over. there is a craving to return to an age of violence. we won a war. that's in advance of the charlottesville event. and quote, if you want to defend the south and western civilization from the jew, and his dark skinned allies, be at charlottesville, on the 12th of august. also this one. next up charlottesville virginia. final stop, auschwitz. they exchanged these fantasies and plans, about fighting with
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violence in doing violence to jewish people and black people and black people of color. they exchanged fantasies in plans about driving vehicles into protesters, which is of course exactly what happened, it's white extremists expert and cal stages told nbc news about this case. we have to tolerate bigotry in the marketplace of ideas, because of the first amendment. but when that bigotry turns into conspiratorial violence. there is redress. well the redress that is being sought here, is by nine plaintiffs, who were harmed by what happened in charlottesville, including a minister who was assaulted by the neo-nazis, for people who were injured in the car attack that killed heather meyer. a jewish woman who was hounded and stopped by these antisemitic thugs, their case is spearheaded by a group called integrity first for america, and they brought this issue on behalf of these nine plaintiffs, against a big broad swath of defendants. 14 individuals in ten groups,
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all far white right nationalist, white supremacists, neo-nazi extremist groups and individuals. all involved in the planning in executing of the charlottesville event. this is the trial that is just starting right now in charlottesville, just a week ahead of virginia choosing its next governor. the case in charlottesville went to jury selection starting today, the trial is expected to run for the next four weeks or so, it's already proving to be sort of a nightmare for the planners of what happened in charlottesville. here for example is the headline on this case today, and this case recently, on usa today, lost to over charlottesville unite the right rally, has crippled white supremacist groups and leaders. quote, a federal lawsuit against the organizers of the deadly organized -- has rattled hate groups and white supremacist leaders. the suit already has helped to dismantle some of america's most well-known white supremacist. groups and has financially crippled one leader of the so-called alt-writes, the white
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supremacist and nationalist movement that came to prominence under president donald trump. richard spencer one of the defendants in the lawsuit said quote, full it's very stressful, and very costly. spencer acknowledge that the integrity first lawsuit has taken a toll. along with the constant stress, the lawsuit he says, has cost thousands of dollars to defend. and june 2020, richard spencer told the court that the case has been financially crippling. now he's been representing himself in court. he's representing himself? serving as his own lawyer? you don't say. whatever else has happened in your life today, i bequeath you this. little warm fussiness to hold in your heart. the nazis are representing themselves in court. acting as their own lawyers. that always works out great. good for them. couldn't happen to a nicer bunch. that one richard spencer is representing himself in court,
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because other lawyers started -- stopped wrapping him when he stopped paying him. another defendant lost his lawyer when he quit, because he started spewing antisemitic threats against one of the lawyers for the plaintiffs. three of the defendants have managed to hold on to their lawyer, but their lawyer is a gentleman from ohio who said he is representing these three clients out of the goodness of his heart because he agrees with them. he himself wants to, quote, oppose jewish influence in society. he has taken their case. that's why i'm sure he is going to be a great lawyer. sounds like he has got mad skills, emphasis on that. at least two of the defendants in this case have gone into hiding. seven of the defendants have already had a default judgment levity gets them by the court. it's basically the civil suit equivalent of a guilty plea. arranged on their behalf by the court after they ignored court orders refused to comply with them. they had default -- levied against them.
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one over them, and the leader of the national socialist party, he tried to say he didn't need to comply with court orders because he dropped his phone in the toilet. it was an accident, there it was, plop in the toilet. to his mind, that mean he didn't need to respond to the court anymore produce any documents by court order. you would be surprised to learn that oops i dropped it in the toilet is not a great defense. seven of these guys have already lost the case by default judgment. three of them are facing fines over $10,000 already asked sanctions from the court. did i mention they are only at the point of jury selection? that thing hasn't even gotten started yet. the point of this litigation, overtly, is to bankrupt the neo-nazis and white supremacist. the individual leaders in the organization to made charlottesville happen and
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promised it would be used as an occasion to bring violence in the name of white supremacy and to terrorize black and jewish people. that's what they did charlottesville four, that's how they planned, it that's how they carried it out. holding them accountable ford by a civil lawsuit, is an unusual thing in this day and age. it is already succeeded partially and taking them apart. and i say this tactic is rarely used, but it's not rarely used. if it sounds familiar to you as a viewer of this show, it may be that you are remembering a story we covered here in 2019. the story of a brave, brave, accomplished young woman. her name is taylor dumps and. in 2017, taylor dumps and was elected student body president by her peers at american university in washington d.c.. the first ever african american elected to be student body president there. in response, somebody hung nooses --
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nooses. and bunches of bananas for the extra racist kick, all over the campus of american university. after there was some publicity about that, a prominent neo-nazi website, run by one of the defendants in the charlottesville cases, that prominent neo-nazi website took up the case, so to speak. they posted her person nil information online, and encourage the monsters who frequent that yield nazi website, that they should step up the attacks on her. keep it going, and worse. what would you do in that circumstance? having every avowed neo-nazi in the internet coming for you? after those physical threats already? well, she responded by going on offense. she brought a case led by the national lawyers committee for several lawyers under law. her hate case was held by very, very, a bowl laura called
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kristen clark. we had on the show to talk about at the time. you remember kristen clark, she is now appointed by president biden in serves there under mayor garland. the young woman who brought that case, the civil case in which she sued the living daylights out of the neo-nazis who organized these attacks on hers, her case was successful. she won a large monetary judgment against the nazi who won that website who orchestrated those attacks. she herself has since graduated from american university. she then went on to graduate from cardoso school of law. she now joined the national -- same organization that represented in and won her a case against the neo-nazi website in 2019. taylor dumpson now works as a -- she works at the neo-nazi civil rights virtual conference on confronting hate. taylor dumpson joins us now live. miss, dumpson dumpson, it's
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great to have you here. >> thank you for having me, rachel. >> let me start first of all by asking if i got any of that wrong, and asking how you are doing. i imagine this is been an incredible turning point in your life. it seems to have set you off on the path that you are on now. >> absolutely. the hate crime definitely changed my life and the harassment that ensued afterwards continued to do so. i'm definitely one of the lucky ones and people who have survived. i take it as an obligation and responsibility to share my story because, unlike heather hire, i'm able to steer my story as my own person. heather has her mother, susan burrow, and other folks around there to advocate on her behalf. she's a survivor but i am one of the lucky ones here to share
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my story. >> you are now practicing -- a practicing civil rights lawyer. you bend drew this under very unusual circumstance given when he went to. what should the country understand about this strategy, about using civil litigations, and which the victim is the plaintiff goes over the perpetrator to basically try to bankrupt them and literally pay for what they've done? how should we talk about these crimes and behaviors and what kind of difference it makes to victims? >> absolutely. civil litigation is one of the many tools available to survivors of hate incidents and hate crimes and be able to bring the perpetrators to accountability. in my suit, we were able to sue the harassers online an apparent company. they were using a novel kind of idea using public
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accommodations as that avenue. you are not allowed to discriminated against people because their places of public accommodation like schools, hospital, other places like that that are acceptable to the public. being able to use a litigation and civil remedies as an avenue for people to be able to hold their perpetrators accountable is one of the ways. being able to see what the lawyers are doing, the charlottesville -- is amazing. >> are you encouraged by what's happening in charlottesville? there is a bunch of defendants. they are not going after a single entity who had a key role in organizing those things. it is a murderers row of neo-nazi leaders, white supremacists, organizers, and the organizations that they've been able to hold together over the years. if this is successful, it will be a death blow to these groups
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close they won't have $1 to their name. why do you make of that broad strategy taking on the whole movement all at once? >> it is something that shows a strong signal that survivors will speak out. survivors will use their voices and every avenue available to them, including litigation to hold folks like this accountable. andrew rankling is forced into the shadows because of the case i had brought to the forefront now. cases lobbied against them. i hope this is a fatal blow to their movement and people know survivors will continue to use their voices. >> taylor dumpson presidential fellow with -- under law, with a remarkable story of her own as how she ended up there. miss dumpson good luck to you, thank you for being with us tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> all right, much more ahead
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or go online today. when citizens in st. petersburg, in russia, went to vote last month, the ballots included the name boris vicious nifty. again on a different line, the
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same name. and then again, the same name. what same name was on the ballot three times. but it was three different dudes. one of the boris, is was a legitimate russian opposition candidate, running to take a seat from putin's party basically. the other two boris is, we're dudes who literally had their names changed, just to be confusing, both of them even mimicked his appearance, so as to doubly confuse voters as to who the real boris was. going to those lengths essentially assured that voters in st. petersburg, would not be able to tell who the real guy, was both for the real boris would be split, making it easier for the kremlin aligned pro putin opponent to win. because the real opposition candidate, no one could figure out which when he was. that is just one of the next
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level totally crazy election manipulation techniques -- nothing is too outlandish, now thing is to humiliating, to keep russians from voting, for anyone other than putin's party are putin's chosen candidates. they play dirty. and so, opposition leaders have decided they need to place. mark case in point. a smart voting app, designed by allies of russia's most poet opposition leader, alexei navalny, the idea behind the smart voting thing is because the deck is so stacked against opposition candidates in russia, all of the opposing parties, should team up and vote tactically. everybody should join together put all their other differences, decided in each district where there is, voting they should coalesce around a single candidate. who could be the putin candidate. so if you are russian citizen, voting in this last election, you download this, app and turn your zip code, and you would then be told by the app, which
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opposition candidate in your district, had the best chances of taking down a member of putin's party. that smart voting, at that whole, idea was such a big threat to putin and his party, that just days before their national election last, month the russian government started harassing google and apple, literally threatening to prosecute russia based employees, of those companies. if google and apple did not pull the app from their app stores. and google and apple said sure, okay, no problem. they caved. right before the election, the companies pulled the app from their platforms. letting the russian governments have even more control over their already rigged elections, and kneecap-ing the opposition in their best effort, their best hope, to finally stand up candidates again putin's party. google went one step further, they also blocked navalny's youtube videos, they blocked youtube videos that navalny and his allies had posted to help coordinate this opposition
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voting, the smart voting strategy. google blocked those videos, again at the request, at the demand of putin's government. today the washington post published an eerily resident story, along those same, lines except this time involves the ceo of facebook marks occurred, and the nation of vietnam. here's how they put. it late last year marks a covert faced a choice, comply with demands from vietnam's ruling communist party, to censor anti government dissidents, or risk getting knocked off line in one of facebook's most lucrative face book markets. in the months leading up to vietnam's process, for choosing new political leaders in january, facebook significantly-y crease censorship, of anti state posts, giving the government in vietnam, their total control over the platform, according to local activists and free speech advocates. that decision, and mark zuckerberg is reportedly personal involvement in it,
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that is just one of the mounting revelations that is come out of what's been come out as what's the facebook papers. a trove of documents provided by facebook whistleblower, to a consortium of news outlets around the, world's been making headlines all, weekend and into today, there's dozens of stories, that have derived from these documents. dozens of stories, and multiple news outlets. nationwide and worldwide. i'm sure we're going to get a lot more stories about of these documents in coming days. one of the more harrowing pictures and starting to form already, revolves around what appears to be, a fairly routine test that facebook does to see where its algorithm is leading its users, in the summer of 2019, a researcher of facebook made a dummy, account a fake account for a person named carroll smith. this fake carole smith persona, was set up sort of generically, a politically conservative mom, from north carolina, from wilmington north carolina, she
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expressed in her facebook profile, as she sign, up an interest in politics, and parenting, and christianity, and she followed just a few other facebook accounts, including fox news and president trump. and that's it. just sort of a barebones profile. this fake account, this carole smith account, never expressed any interest in conspiracy theories of any kind. but nevertheless, it only took two days before facebook recommended, that that person, carol smith, should join groups dedicated to qanon, the conspiracy theory that holds that democrats are a secret combo of sea in worship-ing pedophiles, that during children's, blood in though all end up getting executed and amassed public execution at guantánamo. really? carol so soon. even though the researcher writing that fake, account did not engage with those groups, with those recommendations to join the qanon, groups within a week, carole smithfield was filled with groups and pages,
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that violated facebook's own, rules because they were filled with hate speech and disinformation. that researcher publish the story of that dummy accounts journey in a 2019 internal report to, facebook called, carole's journey to qanon. even after that was found, and reported, inside facebook by their own researchers, nothing happened. at least not a lot happened that we can tell. that was not a stand-alone incident. an incredibly similar thing happened with the dummy account set up an indian 2019, instead of a conservative mom being told to go full qanon though, in this, case the dummy account was a 21-year-old indian woman, set up as a generic account without expressing much interest in anything, very quickly being flooded with quite disgusting, quite lurid, anti-muslim hate speech, and propaganda, the facebook researcher who built the account, said quote, this test users news feed has become a near constant barrage of polarizing nationalists content,
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misinformation, violence and gore. again, just by following facebook's recommendations. in response to these test, cases facebook has pointed to changes it said it made to make the platform safer. it also said it has made progress and working to stop abuse, in countries where they're in risk of conflict in violence. it's clear that the problems that tech giants like facebook are facing in creating, our complex, but are also really not getting better overtime, if you're looking to these companies to show bravery, and backbone, so far the evidence that they are capable of, that or inclines in that way is getting worse overtime. worse overtime, in seemingly acutely worse recently. how do we solve for that? and who is in charge for solving that? senator elizabeth warren joins us about that and more, next. ns us about that and more, next you reach for the really good stuff. new zzzquil ultra helps you sleep better and longer
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that ran on facebook in october of 2019. it says quote, breaking, news marks like a broken facebook just endorsed donald trump for reelection. you're probably shocked. you might be thinking, how could this possibly be true? it was not true. neither facebook founder mark zuckerberg, nor the company he runs, offered any kind of political -- candidate for 2020. there was, in black and white, in a facebook ad, on mark zuckerberg's own platform claiming he had made this endorsement he hadn't really made. here it was showing up, nevertheless being seen by thousands, thousands, and thousands of people. the reason this ad was allowed to stamp on facebook, it was paid for by elizabeth warren in a presidential campaign. according to facebook's own rules, that essentially gave her a free pass to lie as much as she wanted, to say whatever
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she wanted on facebook's platform, as long as it was part of a paid political ad for her campaign. ahead of the 2020 presidential campaign, facebook announced that any ad paid for by a political campaign would be exempt from fact checking protocols. that is exactly what you think, politicians were formally allowed on facebook to spread any lie they wanted about their opponents with total impunity. that is, example, how donald trump was able to run facebook ads claiming joe biden was doing corruption. with her deliberately false ads, senator liberal -- elizabeth warren set out to test how dangerous facebook could be with only stupid rules in faith -- place. to make sure they weren't just spreading known base lies. that was in response to the policies in facebook we knew about publicly. as we now start to hear more about how facebook operated
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behind the scenes, the company's internal incentives steer everyday people to violence, and conspiracies, and hate all over the world, now that we know about, it what are we supposed to do to address it? joining us now is senator elizabeth warren. senator warren, great to see you. thank you for taking time to be here. >> thank you, good to be with you. >> so you drill down on this issue so specifically, in the 2020 campaign, in 2019. i'm wondering, given all the new information we had just learned about this stuff from the facebook whistle blower, what's sticks out to you right now as the most important thing to focus on? >> two years ago, i really thought we needed to break up facebook. today, i really, really, really think we need to bait -- break up facebook. think of it this way. you have a telephone, i have a telephone, we may use different telephone companies, but we can call each other. we can make that work with all the postings you want to do, all the social media you want
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to do. the reason we need to break up facebook is that it's critically important that they're not be one worldwide company that basically, has all the information from everyone. they have made it clear, what they care about first, second, third, is profits, profits, profits. if that means doing the dance with dictators, if that means telling donald trump or elizabeth warren you could add ads that lie about their opponents, then they are happy with it as long as they keep raking the bucks in. they are so damn good at it because they have so much information about everyone. my view on this is, it is time to break up facebook now. >> is it any more likely that that will happen now than it was in 2019 when you were so vocal about it just a few years ago? >> yes. we now have a head of the ftc,
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who has written about the dangers that this kind of monopoly poses to our country. and, understand, it's an economic monopoly. you want to buy an ad on facebook? you know you go to? you go to facebook. you go to the deal's -- dealers. the pricing, the buyers, the sellers, every part of it. the other part is that, they understand the political risks that a company like this threatens. also, we now have someone in the justice department who has shown that he has the courage to stand up to monopolistic like facebook. i am really encouraged. we have good laws. i would like to strengthen them. we have good laws on the book. and we have people and people like it. it will be a tough fight, my
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money is on their. >> in terms of getting to the goal you are talking about, the breakup of facebook, if it happens, why it's more likely than in previous was, is there room for congress essentially, to establish regulation in this process around human rights. around the protections for poorest democracies? if facebook had been compelled by u.s. law, to not respond to a dictator, to not respond to the putin regime in russia, and take actions to disadvantage political candidates, if they were constrained by u.s. law in terms of how they were able to answer demands like that, would that make a difference? >> sure. we could have written much better laws over the last decade to be able to constrain. now it's tough. you know, we have lots of free speech issues, and the regulation would be difficult. no doubt about it. yes, we could've done better though. rachel, that is the reminder
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about what's wrong with monopolies. it's not only what they're doing out on the marketplace, it's what they're doing to washington. it's how much power facebook and its lobbyists have in washington. they are the ones who keep congress from acting degrees in congress doesn't act is because millions of users across the country are saying oh please don't make life a little tougher for facebook. i don't want to have the option of picking from eight, ten, 20 different companies that are competing for my business companies that are i only want . that's not the only issue at all. it's the concentrated power. remember, teddy roosevelt the famous trust buster. he came in and started breaking up those companies around the turn of the century the reason it gave it wasn't just about economic power, it was
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concentrated political power. he did it, he said, to save our democracy. well it's come to us again we need to break up facebook to save our democracy. >> senator warren while you are here i'd be remiss if i didn't ask you about the reporting in washington post over the weekend that you have been sort of huddling with arizona senator kyrsten sinema, who's been forgive me one of the reasons we don't have major progress in the senate, and therefore in the country on president biden's agenda. can you tell us anything about what senator sinema is willing to talk to about and where she might be in terms of how this will resolve? >> so look i won't talk about president -- private conversations. what i will say, as democrats, it's important to us not only to have a package of the things we want to get done like universal childcare, universal preschool expanded health care and fighting back against
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climate change, but also that we pay for it in a way that helps and rig the system at least a little bit. and sure, i would like us to raise corporate rate, raise individual rates, but that will not solve some of the key problems. right now billionaire individuals, and billionaire profitable corporations, are paying either little or nothing in taxes and that is wrong. we have an opportunity right now to do a billionaire's tax for jeff bezos, yeah i'm looking at you. these guys who declare $83,000 in income and of course control billions of dollars in assets and companies like amazon that declare $10 million in profits publicly and pay nothing in taxes. if we come in and do attacks on the fewer than 700 billionaires
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