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♪♪ hello, everyone. i'm alicia menendez. no rest for president biden this sunday. he spent the day huddling with west virginia senator joe manchin and chuck schumer at the president's home in delaware, trying to hammer out a deal on his spending package. this is a critical week for biden's two keyal bills, and i know you have heard that before. manchin wants a smaller price tag, so democrats now negotiating on a number under $3 trillion. they're looking at reducing family leave, plan b and climate change, likely eliminating dental coverage, vision and hearing among other things. despite the many compromises,
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senator elizabeth warren says she hopes the meeting will help them finally reach an agreement. >> failure is not an option here. we made promises to the american people, and we need to deliver on those promises. and here's the good news. we've got many of the basic elements. not every single one of the things we wanted. but we've got a lot of them. so, let's get this core done. let's do it right. let's get it passed. and let's show the american people what it means to govern not just for the rich and the wealthy, what it means to govern for all of america. >> democrats are anxious to get the bill passed before president biden travels to europe for the global climate summit next week. scaling back his aggressive climate change plan could have a negative impact on his standing there. >> i think the most unfortunate part about losing the provisions of reconciliation bill is that it weakens joe biden's hands in
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glasgow, the climate meeting that's coming up because if we're going to get the rest of the world to take serious steps to remedy this problem, we've got to do it ourselves. >> the party's standing with voting also at stake. virginia's democratic candidate terry mcauliffe and virginia phil murthy hope the spending will get things done. house speaker nancy pelosi suggests the house is lookly to vote on both plans before those gubernatorial elections next tuesday. >> i've said already we have 90% of the bill agreed to and written. we just have some of the decisions to be made. it is less than was projected to be begin with, but it's still bigger than anything we've ever done in terms of addressing the needs of america's working families. >> kicking us off this sunday,
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jamil smith, political contributor eugene daniels. eugene, this is a fast-moving story. tell us where we are right now. >> right now we know they're still negotiating, like we say. but it is -- >> we really -- eugene we need that puppy cam you and i have talked about where we can look in and see -- read the body language and see how things are going. we started with that working list of the things that could come or that could go. my sense is that today's conversations really zeroed in on paid family leave and whether or not we'll see that medicare expansion. is that your understanding as well? >> no, absolutely because that was one of the things we knew going into it. joe manchin could kind of do without the federal paid leave. it went from 12 weeks. president biden kind of shocked a few people last week saying that it was now four weeks.
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so, that means that this is something they might continue to winnow down, which i will say is not the promise they made to the american people. that is going to be something that working parents are going to have a big issue with, despite the fact there's all these other billions and billions of dollars in this bill. on the medicare aspect of that, you're going to see some people like bernie sanders have a big issue with that. so, this isn't as if they finished the bill. speaker pelosi said they're at 90%. if they get to 100%, they could still disagree, but they are talking differently about the bill. for the first time president biden is letting us know the conversations he's having instead of saying not negotiating from the podium, giving us information. so, that does indicate they are winnowing down, and we might get a vote possibly on the bipartisan infrastructure bill on wednesday, meaning that whatever framework they've agreed to for reconciliation,
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progressives had signed on to. >> sochi, ewe geen beat me to the punch, which is what i am noticing too is the way they're talking about this is changing. notably to me is senator warren, who is those that holds the line on the prost progressive causes and issues says, hey, guys, we're getting close to getting it done. and let's not lose the focus on the fact this will still be big. it will still be historic. what does it tell you, sochi, as a messaging person that the messaging has shifted? >> well, the important part about this is know yagss are -- compromise is not a bad word. they understand the original bill does not have 50 votes, which means the democrats would end up with nothing. that is not an option. this is why they are coming to the table and compromising and talking to joe manchin and you continue to see the talks today. what you'll hear from democrats over the next few days and ahead of 2022 -- and this is the way
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that they'll sell this package -- is that it's still a historic investment in child care, in education, in the care economy. it's the second largest climate bill we have passed. so, there is significant progress to be made. you've also heard from jen psaki saying that on climate they're going a certain round and they might not get everything they want. but at the end of the day, he will use executive action to ensure they're meeting their climate goals. this is one big step in the right direction. and not to mention they're also going to pass infrastructure. this is a big deal because at the end of the day, donald trump, he tried to pass this. republicans tried to pass this. they couldn't deliver. so, what joe biden is going to do is he's going to go into the midterm election with a huge investment in families and than infrastructure bill that members of congress can go home and sell. >> okay. so, this of course not done yet. and arizona's kyrsten sinema was
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not at today's meeting in delaware. she is of course drawing a lot of criticism from democrats for not being completely transparent about what it she wants from these negotiations. here's congressman ro khanna. take a listen. >> i consider, why are the rules different for her? why doesn't she go on shows like yours? why doesn't she explain herself. if she's shifted her position on trump tax cuts, explain itment i've never seen a politician, including the former president trump, who just totally ducks answering questions from the media and constituents. that's my frustration with her. she's not clear about what she believes. >> jamil, your sense of her role in this proes is? >> she seems to not understand the full obligations and requirements of someone in her position, someone who is required to not only listen to her constituents but also to be in contact with her party. to not explain at all what she's doing is frankly a dereliction
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of duty. but with regards to joe manchin, we know exactly why he's doing what he's doing. unfortunately he's got a financial stake in the poll industry. he's got large campaign contributions coming in from coal. he's doing this to the detriment of his constituents in west virginia, a state less likely to have adults who are working right now full-time and also putting things contingent on work, putting this child aid contingent upon people finding work i think is actually more hurtful to people in his state than many others. >> i think when we talk about why certain things are on the chopping block, there are the rationales that jamil just laid out. but then there are other things i continue to find really hard to rationalize. so, the expanded child tax credit, universal pre-k, two points of contention in the spending bill. in a "washington post" op-ed, without these child care
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provisions, america is, quote, headed into the child care wilderness. there is a limited window to build a new system where the old one has failed. it cannot be allowed to slam shut on the outstretched fingers of the nation's parents and children. i asked the question over and over throughout the course of this specifically when it comes to these policies. if there's not the political appetite for getting this done now, then when will there ever be the political appetite to get this done? and with rage moms ready to head to the polls in november 2022, why is there not the necessary enthusiasm for these issues to get it done? >> well, you're right, alicia, i think if we don't get it done now it will be really difficult to get it across the finish line later. and i think the white house understands this. and they've made the point over and over again that, you know, they want something, and something is better than
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nothing. and there's still lots of investments being made. but i think that democrats will need to message this ahead of the midterm elections because you're right, women make up -- that's exactly why democrats won in the last election and in the midterm election before that is because of women. they're the ones, you know, in many communities who get their entire households out to vote, especially in the latino community. and there will need to be aggressive messaging that talks to women about what exactly is in this package and how it helps them. i think the child tax credit has been extremely helpful to families. and you will need to see a white house and democrats in general kind of talk directly to women and to families about how this benefits them. >> this is also in focus, and we're going to all be watching this next tuesday when virginia goes to vote. and we're going to be looking at those suburban counties. we're going to be looking specifically at suburban women,
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what rates they turn out, who they turn out for. thank you so much. eugene and jamil, you are sticking with me. next steve bannon may be defying his subpoena from the january 6th committee, but others are cooperating. what the committee could uncover during upcoming testimony. plus the path forward to protecting voting rights after republicans blocked the bill yet again. facebook papers, will the massive trove of documents that implicate facebook for spreading disinformation lead to some sort of government regulation? we're just getting started here on "american voices." started h on "american voices. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world.
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the chairman of the january 6th committee saying today, quote, there's no question the capitol attack was premeditated. >> the worst kept secret in america is that donald trump invited individuals to come to washington on january 6th.
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he said, all hell would break lose. >> the committee's focus, how the coup was orchestrated. >> so, the lingering question given that we know that he incited violent insurrection, did he help organize it? did he help plan it? did he help mobilize it? a lot of evidence has surfaced that he had fore-knowledge of what was going to take place and a lot of the political tenets around him were directly engaged in the coordination of the protests that turned into a riot that turned into an insurrection that surrounded the coup. >> department of defense official kash patel who helped coordinate security at the capitol, stop the steal organizer ali alexander, who applied for the rally permits,
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and jeffrey clark, who pressured the doj to discard the election results. joining me now, msnbc contributor joyce vance. former professor at university of alabama skoofl law. it is one thing to say the attack on january 6th was premedicated. you heard bennie thompson saying everybody knows that, that seems obvious. does that have any legal consequences? >> you know, we're simultaneously investigating january 6th in two very separate systems. one is the political system in congress. the other is the criminal justice system and the justice department. and because those standards are different using the same language can be confusing. i think in the common sense of our understanding, premeditation is clear. this took a great deal of planning to bring this group of people together that ended up inside of congress. but in the legal sense, whether someone could be prosecuted for
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a specific crime, that's a very different sort of an investigation, always motivated by the context that doj has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in the courtroom. the carryover between those two basically legal systems is not clear yet. >> i want to ask you, chairman thompson says the select committee is following the money. take a listen. >> we have one of the teams on the committee whose sole purpose is to look at the financing of january 6th. a lot of people came to washington by bus, by plane, by chartered vehicles. they stayed in hotels, motels, all of that. somebody had to pay for it. and we want to look at whether or not the paying for that participation was legal and whether or not it contributed to what occurred on january 6th. >> joyce, going back to your
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framework about two systems, are these potential financial crimes, or is this instead about establishing responsibility for the riot? >> well, on congress' end of the spectrum, it's about getting to the facts so you can determine whether you need to engage in any legislation to secure the country, to secure democracy, to prevent future sorts of incursions. but it's not uncommon that investigation for one purpose can turn up evidence that would be predictive in other areas. and following the money is bread and butter for prosecutors. congress is using a crap team of former prosecutors who know how to trace the money, and the evidence will turn up what it turns up. >> eugene, stop the steal ali alexander has ties to a number of republicans, including some members of congress. what could he reveal about the buildup to the riot? >> he's someone that is going to be very interesting, to say the least, for members of congress as they're talking to him because he has talked about and
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bragged about who he's talked to, who he's been in contact with. he talked about gosar, for example. and so they're going to want to know what did they say to you, how did they help you, was there money involved, you know what i mean? these are questions that congress and this committee are going to have for people like ali alexander. and i think he's -- you know, one of the things that's really interesting about everyone kind of involved with the stop the steal rally and the people that were trying to get people to the capitol, you know, they talked a big -- kind of talked how donald trump talks about things, right? this is going to be the biggest. we have to do this. all of these people are involved and they're interested. we don't know that they actually were. we don't know how much these involvement representatives had with the actual planning or the support of this. so, now that is when we're going to get some insight into who was involved. and then from there, you know, if congressional member was doing something and having a lot
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of conversations, the committee's going to want to talk to them too, i would assume. >> jamil, that brings me back to where we started which is there are the legal consequences of this and the political consequences. i think you do have to wonder at this point if you have republican members of congress that are implicated, if the political world takes notice or for republicans who just shrug and keep it moving? >> well, i think we know the answer to that. of course they're going to do the latter. and frankly this has turned into this whole politics back and forth has turned into which team you're on and which team do you root for. and making sure the people on your team are in the clear. of course it's not just the political and the economical consequences of this. but it's really a moral question we need to proffer here. we know the president challenging the legal election of joe biden was, in fact, the
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precipitant, you know, for these kinds of activities. how that gets punished legally is a question, frankly, that remains to be answered. but i am interested mostly in how this war room at the willard hotel enters into the discussion, led by rudolph giuliani and steve bannon was there. now that we have merrick garland forced to present this before the grand jury, it will be interesting to see how that room's involvement becomes more clear. >> eugene, what do we know about that supposed war room? >> not a lot. what we do know is that that was something where a lot of -- apparently the coordination was happening. and the -- jamil is 100% right when he's talking about the what happened in that room is going to tell us a lot about what happens next. steve bannon and his involvement. he was not working in the white house and had not been for so long, right.
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so, him talking about that he needs to use this executive privilege, that we don't think that even the former president can say that he has, steve bannon, they still want to talk to him. this process that they're working through with his contempt of congress, that is not going to force him at the end of the day, my understanding, to talk with them. that is not what is happening there. so, they're still working through all those things. on the willard hotel, that is one of the key issues that members of congress are going to be looking into for sure. >> joyce, attorney general garland says he'll, quote, apply the facts when considering the contempt charges against bannon. but argues he should take a more aggressive approach. quote, the big lie is already going to be halfway across the world while the institutionists are still double knotting their loafers. that line gets me every time. what do you see as garland's role here? >> no one better than dahlia
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lithwick at figures out how legal things and prosecuted issues should work. he's dead on the money here. but i don't -- i would caution people not to overread garland's statement. he is simply referencing the prosecutor's bible, the federal principles of prosecution, and saying that his team will follow those in making a decision about whether or not to prosecute bannon here. my take on those principles is similar to dahlia's, that prosecution is essential. it's critical. this is a strong case where the national interest requires doj to go ahead if congressional oversight is going to continue to have any full force. >> eugene, i'm curious, are you hearing from other democrats that they want to see garland move faster, with more urgency that they want to see communicated on the part of doj? >> absolutely because what they want to make clear is that if you do not come to congress when we subpoena you, if you do not
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come before us, there will be consequences. and there will be speedy consequences, and there will be public consequences. so, you are hearing from democrats on the hill, democratic strategists that they want to see this administration move quickly on those things because that doesn't always mean that that gets to the doj. the doj is going to move as fast as everyone wants because these are people who work quickly usually. but that is what you're hearing from a lot of democrats. >> joyce vance, thank you so much for joining us. eugene and jamil, you are still sticking around. i'm going to ask debra ross what's at stake if federal legislation is not passed to protect voting rights for all. and new information about the gun and the staff involved on the set of a movie in new mexico. a movie in new mexico pack . [coughs] dayquil severe for you... and daily vicks super c for me. vicks super c is a daily supplement to help energize and replenish your body with vitamin c and b vitamins.
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that big lie that keeps repeating to the base about 2020 election has taken an awkward
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turn. just one week after the 2020 election, lieutenant governor dan patrick said he would pay a bounty to anyone who comes forward with proof of voter fraud. last week he put his money where his mouth is, paying $25,000 to a progressive poll worker who turned in a republican for voting twice. in nevada, republican voter's story was all over the airways and was highlighted by the nevada republican party after he claims someone stole his deceased wife's ballot on last year's election. that mystery has been served. on thursday, the nevada attorney general announcing he is facing two counts of voter fraud, claiming he forged his wife's signature in order to vote. there was never robust evidence of rampant fraud, just anecdotal examples, that were used to
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imply widespread illegality. as the gop's false push on voter fraud continues, senate republicans blocked a sweeping voting rights bill for the third time this year. yesterday former president obama weighing in while stumping for terry mcauliffe. >> instead of spreading misinformation and disinformation about the last election, we should be trying to strengthen our democracy and make it easier for more people to vote in future elections. why is it republicans don't want you to vote? what is it that they're so afraid of? >> with me now democratic congresswoman out of north carolina, debra ross. she is on the rules kmut tee. thank you so much for being with us. senate republicans block the voting rights bill for the third time. last week we got the third hints as a result of that that the president might support filibuster reform to support voting rights legislation.
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i want you to take a look at what nancy pelosi had to say about it this morning. >> the most important vote right now in the congress of the united states is the vote to respect the sanctity of the vote, the fundamental basis of our democracy, that there will be one vote that the filibuster could enable to go forward. that would be the vote. >> do you agree? >> absolutely. voting is fundamental to our constitutional democracy. and it is fundamental to having a government that represents the people rather than having politicians pick who their constituents are. and if there is one place that you would say that the filibuster is completely inappropriate, it's when it comes to voting rights. >> i also want to ask you about redistricting, another major issue, as we talk about these threats to our democracy. and north carolina, no stranger to controversial maps.
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lawmakers are proposing some maps that could give republicans an 11-3 advantage in the state's congressional delegation. 48% of people in north carolina voted for joe biden in the 2020 election. congresswoman, what do you make of the redistricting efforts by republicans in your own state? >> it goes back to picking your voters rather than letting voters have proportionate representation. north carolina is a purple state. we're very evenly divided. we have a democratic governor, an attorney general, but we have republican u.s. senators. and there is no reason to draw districts like the republicans are doing except to gain the system. and the u.s. supreme court has made that easier by virtually gutting the voting rights act. both racial preclearance, section 5 and now making it
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harder to sue. so, the republicans are taking advantage of it in north carolina and across the country. and that's plain wrong. >> before i let you go, i do want to ask you about steve bannon. you said this week, steve bannon's claim of executive privilege is flimsy at best. he has been pardoned for a series of crimes defrauding the people of the united states. not this time. today speaker pelosi said he should be jailed for his refusal to comply with his subpoena. what do you think should happen next for bannon? >> i think that the attorney general needs to take this up and that the courts need to hold him in criminal contempt. steve bannon's political career has always been shielded by donald trump, including that pardon for defrauding the people of the united states. well, donald trump is not the president anymore, and steve bannon needs to live by the law just like every other private citizen. >> congresswoman debra ross,
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thank you so much for joining us. i want to bring back in my panel. jamil and eugene. jamil, you heard the top of that there, the two instances of voter fraud i'm sort of loathed to talk about it. it can give the impression that there is voter fraud when these are anecdotal examples that are then used to convey there is this widespread voter fraud that does not existment but i do have to ask you what it tells you that the same people who are ringing the alarm bell over this are the ones who are doing the very thing they purport to be so concerned about? >> what it tells me, alicia is you can start with reform, not all the things the republicans are doing to stop this massive widespread problem they allege is happening. apparently all you have to do is have a lieutenant governor offer cash. that's as small as the problem
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is. it's as small as that. let's concentrate on what the actual crime is, which is of course the denial of this franchise to millions of americans based clearly upon the fact they're less likely to vote for republicans. my question frankly is given the urgency and the importance of this, and we see speaker pelosi going on sunday tv and talking about it, where is the white house on this? where is the urgency from the white house on this? and frankly i know that president biden recently talked about getting rid of the filibuster, and that's great. but the momentum had to be built back in january of 2020 when he first took that oath -- january 2021. i'm sorry. my point is he frankly just needs to be more urgent and more outspoken because even if this bill doesn't get passed, the message has to be put across to voters. >> jamil, i'm going to take your rhetorical question about where is the white house and just turn around and posit to eugene as an
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actual question. eugene at the end of this year i'm planning to do a montage on all the times i've asked you about infrastructure and reconciliation and the filibuster because these are two things we've been talking about since before the summer rolled around. i would love you to answer jamil's question and was this a turning point, the president nodding to the fact that he would consider it? >> one of the things that was so interesting after president biden said what he said, you did not see the white house try to clean it up, right? you did not see jen psaki the next day try to say, well, what the president meant was -- you didn't see an unnamed white house source talking to one of us on playbook or some other newsletter that morning trying to clean that up. i think what that tells you is that this is a turning point. president biden has said before that he wants republicans to -- you know, if republicans were being too -- were putting up a wall in order to pass things
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like voting rights that he would think about the filibuster in some way. he has never -- this white house has never talked about it in this way. talking about fundamentally changing the filibuster. what that means? we have no idea. does that mean that they bring -- you know, he talks about bringing back the talking filibuster where you have to do it in person, whether or not there's a carveout for voting rights. that is something they are still figuring out. and most importantly they can't do it alone. so, they still have to talk to joe manchin, talk to kyrsten sinema. and that is what they're gaming out now. now, how do we -- if we want to do this, how do we get to votes on board because they have said so many times they're not interested. >> i do want to tell you because i know i have robbed you from your phone, which is probably exploding from the moment. speaker pelosi has announced she will hold a vote on infrastructure this coming wednesday. does that comport with what you were hearing 30 minutes ago before you got on air? >> no, it does absolutely.
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you know, what that means is -- i think i said this earlier. that means that agreement on the build back better agenda is live. we are going to hear that in the next few days because speaker pelosi is bringing something to the floor. that usually means she has the votes. and progressives are not signing onto the reconciliation -- or onto the bill if they don't have reconciliation in some way hammered out. so, that does comport with our reporting at "politico," and that means it's going to be an interesting week once again on infrastructure. >> infrastructure week 10.0. eugene, jamil, thank you both so much for spending time with us. next more information coming to light about what happened leading up to the fatal accident on the movie set in new mexico and allegations that warning signs were ignored. but first here is a preview of what is coming up tonight on msnbc. coming up tonight, voting
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rights blocked again in the senate this week. but why do we only talk about senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema when it comes to these issues. not a seasoningal republican senator voted for it. why aren't we talk about the republicans here? i will be tonight 8:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. night 8:00 p.m eastern on msnbc there. hey joshie... wrinkles send the wrong message. help prevent them with downy wrinkleguard. feel the difference with downy. ♪darling, i, i can't get enough of your love babe♪ ♪girl, i don't know, i don't know,♪ ♪i don't know why i can't get enough of your love babe♪ ♪oh no, babe girl, if i could only make you see♪ ♪and make you understand♪ get a dozen double crunch shrimp for $1 with any steak entrée. only at applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.
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remember halyna hutchins. >> no one should die on a film set ever. >> the 42-year-old was killed this week on the set of the movie "rust" after alec baldwin fired a prop gun that moments before was declared safe. countless unanswered questions and the potential for serious legal consequences. nbc learned days before the tragic shooting the gun in question was involved in other accidental misfires. the l.a. times reporting baldwin's stunt double fired two rounds after being told the gun was cold, meaning not loaded. the same thing yelled out moments before baldwin shot and killed hutchins, injurying the film's director. there were no safety meetings. there was no assurance that it wouldn't happen again. all they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush. hours before hutchins' tragic death, nbc has learned several
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crew members walked off set, concerned about the film's safety procedures. "rust's" production company says it was not notified of any official complaints. >> i think a charge of neglect gent homicide is likely in this case but not necessarily for the person who pulled the trigger. >> new allegations against dave halls, the assistant director for safety on set and the man who handed baldwin the gun. claims halls failed to maintain a safe environment. >> basically yelling at people that we need to get things done, ignoring people saying that they need a minute to do something safely. >> she raised concerns about halls to the production but nothing happened. >> same things that happened on our show happened here but with much more devastating effects. and you can't help but think, did i do enough? >> nbc reached out to blum house
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television productions regarding the allegations. a spokesperson tells nbc news that no complaints received by the anonymous system regarding safety concerns. a 2019 complaint had been launched against halls and his lack of respect for personal space, noting followed the complaint he was never hired by the studio again. halls declined to comment when reached by nbc news. >> thank you. up next, guns on hollywood sets, now a fire storm discussion. and like everything else right now, it has also become political. is using real guns even worth the risk. clair atkinson joins me next. nst pad that protects differently. with two rapiddry layers. for strong protection, that's always discreet. question your protection. try always discreet. before nexium 24hr, anna could only imagine a comfortable night's sleep without frequent heartburn waking her up.
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you look amazing! no, you look amazing! thank you! thank you! thank you! thank you! thank you! thank you! haha, you're welcome. the tragedy on the set of the alex baldwin movie has ig nighted the ire of those that dislike the actor's politics. twitter should reinstate farmer president trump's account so he could respond to the tragedy. tweeting, let trump back on. we need alec baldwin tweets. do not let that distract you from the tragic loss of life or the very important debate over real guns on hollywood sets. the 1993 actor brandon lee was killed by a prop gun on the set of the movie "the crow." and in 1984, actor john eric hex son died after he accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun loaded with blanks.
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with me now the chief media correspondent. explain to us why would there ever be ammunition capable of killing someone on a film set. >> yeah, it's a really good question. and there is a huge debate now in hollywood about why it's necessary. you referred to some of those other people that lost their lives tragically onsets. and the question now is being asked: why is -- what is the need for guns and live ammunition on a set? i talked to a special effects producer about an hour ago to ask her what the situation looks like from her perspective. she explained to me that oftentimes when there is guns being used and in the case of this movie it was a cult from the 1800s. they test them, and they do use live ammunition to make sure they work so that when perhaps a blank is loaded, there is no -- it doesn't get stuck and misfire. so that's perhaps the reason why
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they have live ammunition on the set. but, you know, this does beg the question why -- what else could hollywood be doing here if there are accidents? and i think as this film producer told me there is a discussion about cgi and special effects replacing real guns. this person told me that special effects is so much cheaper down in india and there is no real reason why guns even need to be on the set. when you think about the marvel movie and the special effects in movies today, it certainly does beg the question of why you need guns. this person explained to me there would likely be pushback from the ammunitions people that work onsets. you might argue that actors wouldn't recoil when they shoot the gun. and, so, that wouldn't seem realistic. this person also explained to me what happens in those safety meetings. apparently on the set of "rust," that didn't happen.
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the safety meeting informs staff where the medics are, how many guns are going to be used, in what context they're going to be used, what they look like. they even show them to the staff, and they have, you know, group meetings that kind of explain all these safety issues. it appears in this case that that didn't happen. the film producer also told me that she was very surprised to read that the assistant director was the person that handed the gun to alec baldwin and not the ammunitions person. she said in a typical union set that wouldn't happen. so, you know, can we get rid of guns? that's a debate in society. the second amendment makes it very, very difficult for anybody to have a discussion about ridding guns from any part of society, whether it is, you know, folks walking into schools or super markets or cinemas. this is an ongoing debate. so we'll see what happens next
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is it a bones kay or a no bones day? if you don't know what that means, you have not been on tiktok or twitter recently. meet noodle the pug. he's 13 years old and he lives with his human jonathan. and the pup has become an internet sensation. one simple question every morning when his owner tries to wake him up. what kind of day will we all have? if noodle stands up when he's awake in front of his slumber, it is a bones day, which means you have to go take that risk or send that e-mail or buy that lotto ticket. here's an example of a no bones day. >> i've got to be honest with you, it is raining this morning. noodle does not do the rain, and i just -- we'll see if he does bones. nope. nope.
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noodle, oh, it gets me every time. so it is a no bones morning. i don't think that's bad news. i think it is just something to keep in mind. yes, we try it again and sure enough no bones. if today was the day you were planning to call her sister and tell her you hate our husband, like today is not the day to do that. >> and to be clear, a no bones day doesn't mean it's going to be a bad day, it just means it is a day for some self-care and a little extra. "the new york times" writes, quote, think of noodle as a four legged mood ring. his star power caught up with louisiana's governor john bell edwards who posted this on tiktok. >> all right, louisiana. today is a bones day. and while every day is a great day to get your vaccination, today is an extraordinarily good day. so please reach out. find out where you can go get vaccinated. get your $100 for your shot. let's make sure that we continue to move louisiana forward in our vaccination effort. >> for the record, yesterday was a bones day. he and his human are traveling
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today. a new hour of "american voices" starts right now. ♪♪ hello, everyone. i'm aly sha menez dez. threats of violence against public servants. muslim americans who hold office has become a target of death threats from the right. she is here to tell me how she and her family are getting through. plus, inside the facebook papers. new details why the tech giant chose not to act. also ahead, first tx texas and now a copy cat bill beyond its borders. the next state posed to ban abortions. one of the producers of "civil war" will be here. she tells us how it adds to the conversation about race in america.

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