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select january 6th committee about that committee's efforts to unravel what happened on that terrible day at the capitol. >> but first, we're starting off with breaking news. president biden meeting with senator joe manchin and majority leader chuck schumer at his home in delaware today to talk about his agenda. let's go right nuto nbc's mike memoli who is there in wilmington. give me a sense of the timing of the meeting and the greater influence of it. what are you hearing? >> well, alex, one of the things a change of scenery means is usually when the meetings are happening at the white house or capitol hill, we have some visibility to when they started and ended. we see senators coming and going. with the privacy of this at the president's home today in wilmington, we don't have that insight, but it does seem significant this is happening on a weekend at the president's home at a critical point, throw a white house official is downplaying expectations saying
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we shouldn't expect to see a deal. this is just a continuing of the talks. we do know this, the president is facing two real deadlines in the week ahead. first, he is heading off to europe on thursday, and he's been clear as has the white house they would like to get some sort of framework at least, if not a final vote, on any reconciliation measure because so much of this climate agenda and he's heading to a major climate summit in scotland, is embedded in the measure, and the other thing is the elections in virginia and new jersey, and we'll see the president head to new jersey tomorrow, speaking with governor murphy there as they're promoting both the bipartisan infrastructure deal and the reconciliation measure. we know these talks have been heating up. the president in addition to the meeting today that includes senator schumer, spoke with speaker pelosi and senator schumer at the white house on friday. we're hearing some more from speaker pelosi today about where things stand. let's take a listen to what she said this morning. >> in terms of where we are, i have said already we have 90% of
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the bill agreed to and written. we just have some of the last decisions to be made. it is less than we had -- was projected to begin with, but it's still bigger than anything we have ever done in terms of addressing the needs of america's working families. >> by the time he leaves for europe, you think you'll have a deal, by thursday or friday? >> i think we're pretty much there now. >> so two of the big outstanding issues, as you know, one is what is the final top line number, how much is this going to cost? that's the negotiation with senator manchin. the other issue is how are they going to pay for it? we know that revolves around senator sinema, who threw in one of the last-minute curveballs with her opposition to raising the tax rates both on individuals making significant sums as well as thecorporate rate. maybe we need a second meeting with senator sinema before we know this is in the final stages. >> can i ask you about the
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optics of this. this is the president, a leader of the senate, and an influential member of the senate hanging out at the president's house. it's not the oval office. do you think that added an air of, guys, let's just talk like three guy whose are just trying to get this done? you know? you know what i'm asking? >> you know, alex, sometimes in a negotiation, a change of scenery does the trick. perhaps that's the goal. i think it's as much about the timeline. there are only so many working days left before the president heads overseas so sometimes you have to encroach on your weekend, even though we know the president likes to get away from washington as much as he. today, washington has come to him. >> and go to his granddaughter's field hockey game on saturday. that was priceless. that meeting is under way in delaware. back in washington, speaker nancy pelosi saying this morning as mike was saying, democrats are working through the weekend, writing the text for that social spending bill today as leading
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lawmakers hope to see a dill and potentially a vote this week. >> this is a senate proposal. and they supposedly are writing it today. tomorrow, they would introduce it. >> the framework would be agreed to and there would be a deal. >> let's call it an agreement. >> an agreement on that, and you will also vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill. both of those things will happen in the next week? >> that's the plan. >> meantime, the stakes are only getting higher as president biden gears up for a trip to glasgow for a global climate summit. the pressure is on for democrats to reach a deal before the president makes an appearance there on the world stage later this week. as "the new york times" editorial board points out, key pieces of biden's climate agenda are embedded in that massive multi-trillion social spending bill and one of the most important of these pieces is unlikely to pass. >> plus, new reaction from speaker pelosi as the house voting to hold steve bannon in contempt of congress for defying a subpoena from the january 6th
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select committee. >> do you think people who refuse to comply with congressional subpoenas should be prosecuted by the justice department and at the end of the day go to jail? >> yes. >> you do? >> i do. first of all, people say, well, this hasn't happened -- we haven't had an insurrection incited by the president of the united states and one of his toadies having knowledge of advance knowledge of that happening. >> joining me right now is california congressman adam schiff, house intelligence committee member and a democratic member of the house select january 6th committee. he's also the author of the new book "midnight in washington, how we almost lost our democracy and still could." that's a rather frightening title, but i welcome you, my friend. good to see you. let me start by getting your reaction to the president meeting with senators joe manchin and chuck schumer this morning. what does that meeting tell you when it comes to the social spending bill? do you think the finish line is
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in sight in. >> i do think it's in sight. and it means that there's got to be this final intimate push to get it done, to tie up any loose ends, to come to agreement. and i'm excited we may have a chance to vote on it as early as late this week and finally get the deal done, which combined with the rescue plan and the infrastructure bill will be the most significant investment i think in the country and the american people since the new deal. >> yeah. pretty significant there. as we move to the very latest with the january 6th committee, there are reports that former doj official jeffrey clark will be testifying in front of your panel next week. first, can you confirm that? if so, what does the committee hope to get from his testimony other than the truth? >> well, i can't confirm until the committee does who is coming before us. but i can say that mr. clark is a key witness of interest to us, and we have subpoenaed him. we do expect him to cooperate
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and i think he has very important information. he seems to have been at the heart of this effort to rugoon the justice department in trying to get georgia to withhold the appointment of electors or appoint a different slate of electors. he seemed to have been working with president trump to get the justice department to push out claims they were investigating massive fraud when that wasn't true. just looking at the senate judiciary committee, which is also done investigative work in this area, i think he's the one witness who was not brought before the senate who has such key information. he could tell us a lot, and while i can't confirm the date, we hope to speak with him soon. >> we do know the house voted to ask the doj to criminally prosecutor former trump adviser steve bannon because he refused to work with your committee. have you gotten any indication when and whether the doj will charge bannon with contempt of congress? >> i think the best indication
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is the fact that when we have sought top justice department officials like mr. clark, for example, there's been no assertion of privilege by the justice department, by the current justice department, and they have been very clear that they think given the extraordinary circumstances of a violent attack on the capitol, that they're not going to get in the way of this inquiry. they want us to get the truth and they want us to get it out to the american people. like wise, they have not asserted executive privilege with respect to documents we sought from the national archives. they understand the significance of this. i think the justice department also recognizes that for four years, there were people who were above the law, that could essentially be in contempt of congress without repercussion, including people like steve bannon. and so i think as part of reestablishing that the law treats everyone the same, this is going to be very important and in my view, an early test of whether our democracy is recovering.
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>> if that were to happen, if the doj decided not to prosecute, how would the committee respond? >> well, i think it would be a real body blow to the rule of law and to our investigative work because it would provide a perverse incentive for others to similarly ignore the law, ignore congressional subpoenas, and it would really so dramatically undermine our power to get answers. you could imagine a court without the power of subpoena to compel witnesses really wouldn't be a court, and the same is true of congress. if congress can't enforce subpoenas, it seizes to be an effective check and balance and becomes a mere play thing for a corrupt executive. it would be very serious. now, we are contemplating, what's the plan b, the plan c. i don't want to go into though because we're counting on plan a. >> you're hoping plan a goes straight ahead. republican senator ron johnson, by the way, someone who has called the capitol attack a peaceful protest, has confirmed to business insider that he is
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blocking president biden's choice to oversee the january 6th prosecutions. curious your reaction to that, and how much of a wrench does this throw into the process if matt graves can't be confirmed. >> well, i don't understand where senator johnson is coming from. so many of his actions over the last years have been so destructive. i think of our democracy and our democratic process. he's pushed out a lot of conspiracy theories without any substance. in terms of what will this do to the prosecution of those involved in the violent attack, what will it do to potential subpoena in our contempt case, i don't think it should substantially inhibit either. the acting u.s. attorney has to power to do whatever is necessary to bring to justice people like steve bannon. it does underscore the degree to which senator johnson is willing to carry water for former president trump in ways that i think are really destructive of
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our democracy. >> i know your committee postponed the depositions for three other former top trump aides. the committee said mark meadows, kash patel have been engaging with the committee. what can you tell us? is the committee closer to getting any significant information from either of them? >> i can only say the circumstances of each are not precisely the same. we are engaging with counsel to try to determine whether we can move ahead, and if we can't, we'll move in the same direction we did with steve bannon. so, you know, it's our preference to get people to come and in do their civic duty without having to go to the length of criminal contempt, but we are also acting with a sense of urgency, so we're not going to let it go on much longer without resolution. >> how about dan scavino. are you expecting him to cooperate? >> he was served later than the other two, so the clock is a little different with him. but again, we hope to secure his
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testimony without having to use the extraordinary remedy we did with steve bannon. >> how about the timeline, congressman? what does that look like? do you have one? what happens if it comes to nidterms in 2022? >> we're moving with great expedition and we're getting a lot of information and conducting interviews and depositions outside of the public eye every week. so there's a lot of activity in the committee that we're not privileged to speak about publicly, so i'm pleased with the pace that we're conducting our work. some of it is beyond our control. we have now this civil litigation by donald trump, which was not unexpected. trump litigates everything. >> everything. >> we fully expect he'll lose that litigation, but his desire is merely to delay. >> well, speaking of privilege, it's my privilege to talk with you about your new book "midnight in washington, how we almost lost our democracy and still could." and this book draws a lot from
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your experience as the lead manager in trump's first impeachment trial. are you surprised, sir, with all that has happened since that impeachment trial, that republicans have largely failed to stand up to donald trump? >> well, i am surprised on the one hand, but at the same time, it's so true to form of what we have seen over the last several years. you can draw a pretty straight line from the president's russia misconduct and his escaping accountability for it to ukraine trial and his acquittal and again escaping accountability, leading to now the insurrection and yet, even though you can draw a straight line between all of those efforts of accountability, their lack of success and new and even worse things by donald trump, they are continuing to push out the big lie that led to the insurrection to begin withing, the big lie about fraud in our election. the question is where does that straight line lead us? so it's very discouraging.
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but as i write in the book, there are some great heroes also that have emerged from the period, people like marie yovanovitch, our wonderful former ambassador to ukraine, and fiona hill and alexander vindman and others that show the way forward for the country, and i'm optimistic because there are millions and millions more americans who love and cherish our democracy than those right now who are trying to tear it down. >> last question. greatest threat in your mind from any kind of future of trumpism? what is it? >> i think the greatest threat right now is the lesson they seem to have learned from the insurrection was that if they couldn't get brad raffensperger, the secretary of state in georgia, to find 11,780 votes that don't exist, they seem determined to make sure they have someone in that position and others all over the country who will fraudulently make up votes if they lose again. they are passing laws around the nation to disenfranchise people of color, but also to strip
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independent elections officials of their duties and give them over to acolytes of donald trump. and that, to me, is a very dangerous development and we need to bring all efforts to resist that. pass hr-1 and voting rights, to launch a stacey abrams-like effort around the country to mobilize the grassroots and push back against these efforts to use the instruments of democracy to tear down democracy itself. >> okay. author, fellow californian, and friend, and congressman adam schiff, thank you so much. good luck with the book and everything else you have on your plate. good to see you. thank you so much. so much new disturbing information has emerged about the movie set shooting. the latest findings raise new troubling questions. could there be criminal charges? there's lots to unpack, next.
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filmmaker on a movie set in new mexico. new disturbing details about the gun and that's raising some red flags. let's go to nbc's erin mclaughlin joining me with those developments. what can you tell us about all this? >> hey, alex. we're still no closer to understanding exactly how a live round capable of killing made its way obt the set of "rust." this as disturbing allegations have been made against the man responsible for the film's safety. overnight, a vigil held in albuquerque, new mexico, to remember cinematographer halyna hutchins. >> now wn should die on a film set ever. >> the 42-year-old was killed this week on the set of the movie "rust" after superstar alec baldwin fired a prop gun that moments before was declared safe. baldwin seen on saturday comforting hutchins' husband and
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son. countless unanswered questions and the potential for serious legal consequences. nbc has learned days before the tragic shooting, the gun in question was involved in other accidental misfires. the l.a. times reporting baldwin's stunt double accidentally fired two rounds after being told the gun was cold. meaning not loaded. the same thing yelled out moments before baldwin shot and killed hutchins injuring the film's director. a crew member telling the l.a. times there should have been an investigation into what happened. there were no safety meetings. there was no assurance that it wouldn't happen again. all they wanted to do was rush, rush, rush. hours before hutchins' tragic death, nbc has learned several crew members walked off set, concerned about the film's safety procedures. "rust's" production company says it was not notified of any official complaints. >> i think a charge of neglidgeant homicide is likely but not necessarily for the person who pulled the trigger. more likely for those in the
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chain of command. >> new allegations against dave halls, the assistant director responsible for safety on set, and the man who handed baldwin the loaded gun. licensed pyrotechnician margaret claimed halls failed to maintain a safe environment when she worked with him on a previous project. >> basically yelling at people that we need to get things done. ignoring people when they say they need a minute to do something safely. >> she says she raised her concerns about halls to the production. but nothing happened. >> same things that happened on our show happened here but with much more devastating effects. and you can't help but think, did i do enough? >> nbc reached out to blumhouse televisions regarding galls' allegations. a spokesperson is saying no complaints were received by the studio's anonymous system regarding safety concerns adding the company does not comment on personnel matters. a source close to production tells nbc news a complaint had been lodged against dave halls
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and his lack of respect for personal space. the complaint was made on the second film he had worked on for the studio in april 2019. and he was not rehired by the studio again. halls declined to comment when reached by nbc news. alex. >> very comprehensive report. thank you so much, erin, for that. let's bring in tom ruscon, former nypd detective and president of the protective group. tom, a couple things i want to drill down, first of all. erin's report talked about a live round. does that apply to blanks and bullets when it's called a live round? or is it just bullets or just blanks? >> a bullet is a live round. and a bullet is very easily described as a projectile on the top of a gun powder round. it's very easy to differentiate between a blank and a bullet. a bullet, as i said, has a rounded top to it.
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a blank is flat. and you know, it's very hard to screw that up, to make it into a gun that can fire a bullet, which is a different topic. >> so tom, why would any movie set have a real, live bullet on it for use? >> well, there are movie shoots where they do use live weapons for the realistic scene, but again, there are safety protocols in place. that's what police are going to be looking at. police are going to be looking at, was the weapon capable of firing a round? obviously, it was. a round is a live bullet. why was it capable? why wasn't it a prop gun that's only capable of firing a blank? and who knew it and how did that live round make it into the chamber and eventually killed
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the cinematographer. >> so tom, nbc news is reporting, and that also goes along with the l.a. times, that this was a prop gun that misfired before the fatal shooting. prop gun may be applied to just the word of something being used in a movie, right? but we know it prompted some crew members leave. they were protesting the safety situation. what kind of questions will investigators be asking those people responsible for handling the weapons and its safety, and should they also be talking with the crew that left before the accident? >> well, there will be two investigations. there's, of course, the criminalcretion that law enforcement is going to do and has already started probably the day the incident happened. questioning people, looking and taking possession of the weapon that was fired, the prop gun, or the gun that was fired. and then looking back at the forensics. you're looking back to find out how a live round either
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negligently or purposely got into that gun to be able to be fired to kill somebody. and then there's the simultaneous investigation, civil, which will eventually sue the production for the negligent death of the cinematographer and the assault on the director. >> alec baldwin's cooperating with investigators. what do you think are the likely questions being asked of him? >> what he knew, when he knew it, did he look at the weapon, did he look at the prop gun? did he notice anything? i don't know what his experience is with prop guns or real guns. but those are all questions that i would be asking or detectives working with me would be asking of baldwin. >> all right, tom, thank you so much for giving us your perspective. very valuable. >> the heavy hitter, former president barack obama stumping for democrats in virginia and new jersey. how will he impact those key
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if you got good ideas, people won't flock to your ideas, but that's not what they try to do. instead, you're trying to rig elections. because the truth is people disagree with your ideas. and when that doesn't work, you start fabricating lies and conspiracy theories about the last election. the one you didn't win. that's not how democracy is supposed to work. >> barack obama there taking center stage in virginia's race for governor. stumping for democrat terry mcauliffe on saturday. in his speech, the former president directly called out baseless claims of election
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fraud that led to the january 6th insurrection. and criticized republican glenn youngkin for supporting, quote, phony trumped up culture wars in his bid to flip the state. joining me now, my sunday family, don callaway, democratic strategist and founder of the national voter protection action fund. susan del percio, republican strategist and msnbc political analyst, and david jolly, former congressman from florida and msnbc political contributor. i don't know about you guys but as we listen to former president obama right there, didn't he make so much sense, don? he didn't hold back. what did you make of the speech? >> he's still the best surrogate we got. and he traveled to i think new jersey as well as -- excuse me, virginia yesterday. he did a good job. it shows democrats are concerned thus far this is kind of a sleepy election. and the stuff with terry mcauliffe not really being on board with parents being able to
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dictate school curriculum, it was reasonable and we understood, but it's a sound bite youngkin was able to catch ahold of and it made a dent. it's time for democrats in the last week and a half to start waking up, paying attention, figuring out where they're going to vote and get out there because the big picture here is that glenn youngkin is very much within range of winning this thing and winning states is where republicans are going to try to continue to subvert democracy. in 2022 in the midterms as well as the presidential in 2024. states matter, and this is one where it was good to see him come and give a shot in the arm. >> it feels like that will help because there has been something of an enthusiasm gap on the democratic side, at least that's what polls would suggest, and we worry about that. let me play something else that barack obama said, something about glenn youngkin that could be interpreted as criticism of the broader republican party. take a listen to this. >> either he actually believes
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in the same conspiracy theories that resulted in a mob or he doesn't believe it but he's willing to go along with it to say or do anything to get elected. and maybe that's worse. because -- because that says something about character. and character will end up showing when you actually are in office. >> talk about sage sound bite, david. that one, that one, he was speaking to the greater republican party, for sure. you were a republican in congress. barack obama was in the white house at the time. do you think barack obama accurately sums up why republicans continue to support the disproven conspiracy theories of donald trump? >> yeah, alex, what president obama was describing there is the handcuffs around the wrists
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of all leading republicans. but let's not give them a pass here. they put their wrists out there and asked for those handcuffs when they joined with donald trump. and president obama is right. there is a large group of currently serving members of the republican party, including those in leadership, who do not believe the conspiracy, do not believe the election was stolen, and do not believe donald trump, but what they know is the fragile coalition that is today's republican party, the only coalition capable of possibly getting the 50% to 51% requires fully accommodating that conspiracy wing that trump wing of the party. otherwise, the gop fractures and the democrats have a majority for decades to come. >> you know, dan balls of the washington post has this new article out today and it characterizes the governor's race of virginia as a test to the fear of trump factor as a political motivator. writing, the mcauliffe/youngkin
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race can answer some of the questions about the state of the electorate and forces that will shape the race next year. that begins with donald trump as a motivator for republicans and especially for democrats and how that affects who votes and who does not. how do you think it's going to play out, susan? >> well, there's some interesting things you have to look at below the top line numbers on the governor's race. and that's the state house races in swing districts where independents and republicans who voted for biden are leaving biden in droves. that is very significant. and that is something that the democrats are concerned about, which is why they're pushing their turnout. the highest turnout of virginia's governor's race has ever had was 48% in 2017. so they know to get -- to make that win, they need to be above 46% in voter turnout. otherwise, the voters that went for biden are going to leave. they're not just leaving because
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of they're upset with joe biden or they think that, you know, youngkin is the answer. it's that the trump -- terry mcauliffe throwing trump into every argument is not a sustaining message for people who care about the economy right now, who care about taxes, and are more focused on that. those are the people mcauliffe needs to come towards him. >> speaking of donald trump, and the president, a survey showing president trump, former president trump, of course, president biden, they're tied in a potential head-to-head matchup in 2024. 14% saying they would vote for somebody else. while joe biden polls stronger among his democratic base than trump does with republicans overall, biden's support, to your point, among independent voters has shrunk, but the question for you, david, is what do you make of that? also the fact these are trump's numbers after january 6th.
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>> yeah, look, i think there's clearly opportunity for democrats to improve their messaging, their policy making, and i think you'll see a stronger joe biden a couple years from now if he's facing re-election. what it does say is donald trump very likely could be the nominee of the republican party. and he very well might win, but it's a slim chance. this is a person who lost the popular vote twice, and so the catch-22 for republicans is, if he decides to run and gets the nomination, you're going into '24 with a losing candidate. however, if he doesn't run, here's the thing i find most intriguing, alex. there's no off ramp for donald trump that is gracious and empowers other republicans behind him. he will say he's not running because the system is rigged and nobody should participate in, and he'll actually knee cap whoever might be the potential republican nominee behind him. so look, it's a catch-22, and i suppose a catch-24 for the gop. >> catch-24. real quick to this, donald trump, as you know, is launching
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his own social media platform. and a lot of people are wondering how that could help or hurt a potential bid for president in 2024. there's an aup ed in the guardian and it reads, trump remains first choice among republican voters for the party's presidential nomination. his average favorable/unfavorable rating is almost identical to biden's, and he's shown how dangerous he can be when he reaches a wide audience, which is why they're worried. to you, don, and then to susan if i have the time, not having twitter or facebook as his mega phone, it's helped mitigate his lies. does this new platform, does this kind of communication now give him a leg up with his base? >> no, not at all. they won't know where to find it. we don't know what it's called. nobody will know what it gets to main stream won't report on it when it's a thing. it may never even become a theme. remember a cual months ago, he was frustrated nobody was picking up his press releases, these statements. so i look forward to him becoming increasingly seethed
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and upset in mar-a-lago and yelling at people who didn't make this a big thing. it's going to be a joke. >> real quick, susan. is this going to work for donald trump or not? >> if you think it's going to work, i have a blog to sell you, one that donald trump started and finished, so there you have it. >> there you have it, don, susan, david. good to see you guys. >> there's a new documentary airing tonight on msnbc. it examines the story of the civil war and why it's told differently in different parts of this country. the producers of the film join me next. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪
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tonight on msnbc, you can all catch the premiere of civil war, it is a documentary about the roots of division here in the u.s., from executive producers brad pitt and henry louis gates jr. about how americans tell the story of the civil war, the meaning of the confederate flag, and how race and heritage influenced the stories that are not told. >> i do understand parts of what my father is speaking on. because i feel that way that the government is too big and has too much power. it's an invasion. but how long would it have taken to free the slaves. how long would it have taken for them to realize that slavery is wrong? >> joining me now, rachel boynton, director, producer, and writer of civil war, and erica
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dillday, also a producer on civil war. ladies, welcome to you both. rachel, you first, because i know you said you decided to make this film when you got the sense people didn't even seem to know what the civil war was about in terms of preserving slavery. dozens of interviews later, do you still people don't know or do they choose their own narrative? >> well, that's a really hard question. you know, i think these are stories in our country, especially in the south, that have been passed down over generations. the cause of the war immediately after the war started getting rewritten by the people who had lost. and the lost cause narrative was ultimately the south's victory over reconstruction. they took over the textbooks. they took over the statues. and those stories of victory even in defeat for the confederacy were passed down from generation to generation. it wasn't really about slavery. slaves were well treated. the old south was a beautiful
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place where everyone was happy. those things are very deeply embedded in the way families understand themselves and understand their ancestry. so a lot of this is deeply personal for a lot of people. >> you know, erica, in fact, one student pointed out in the film that generally speaking, black people grew up knowing they descented from slaves, those, of course, who do, but why is it that white kids are not routinely told as children whether they're descendants of slave owners? >> we have this belief in our country that if white children find out that they are descendants of slave owners, they will feel unnecessarily guilty and people do not want to subject their children to feeling that guilt. unfortunately, it is our history, and it's one that we have to confront and we have to be able to talk honestly about. when we try and sweep these things under the rug or hide them in the corner, we create a
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dissonance that makes it hard for us as a society to really understand where we came from and how we go forward. >> yeah. and states are right now passing laws to prevent the teaching of schools of the history of slavery and reconstruction and jim crow and all the repercussions. is this pushback against critical race theory, is it related to the civil war? why is the history of the holocaust more readily accepted? is it because the civil war happened in america versus europe? i'm sorry, rachel, that's to you. >> oh, well, i think the history of the holocaust, it certainly didn't happen here. the history of enslavement, the history of the civil war is deeply personal. this is our story. it is the story of the foundation of our nation. it is a lot harder to be honest with the difficult truths about your own history than about a
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history perceived as having occurred elsewhere. >> interesting. let's all take a listen to this clip from isabel wilkerson. here it is. >> those of us alive today have to find a way to explain to succeeding generations how is it that we saw a confederate flag inside the united states capitol this year, january 6th, how is it that a rioter was able to deliver the confederate flag farther than robert e. lee himself? >> okay. erica, if it's fair to connect slavery to the plight of black americans today, is it also fair to trace done content, that which we saw in the january 6th capitol riots, back to fallout from the civil war? >> i think they're all related. and this is one of the reasons why it is so important that we understand what happened in the civil war, deal with the facts,
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and confront them as a nation and as a society. so much of the issues that we have today around race, around place, around the north and the south, come from the fact that there was this major war in our country and the narratives we tell about are not always true. >> yeah. last question to you, rachel. because you asked a black student if she ever had a white friend, and i'm curious whether you asked the sail question of white students and whether you heard differences or similarities in their answers. why was it important to include this and ask this? >> well, i did ask lots of students that question. and the racial segregation in our classrooms affects kids north and south, urban, rural. our classrooms are still deeply segregated. i live in new york city. and new york city classrooms are deeply segregated. this is the product of our unexamined history, the product
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of red lining which is something a lot of people don't learn about in schools. that emerged from our past. it emerged from these un -- this unresolved inequity, this lack of a real reunion that would create real equality for all american citizens. real union t create real equality. we never achieved that, we never had a real racial reckoning in this country. >> it's a reckoning you'll present tonight. i can't wait to watch it, if you can't watch it, dvr it, you have to watch. "civil war" airs 10:00 eastern here on msnbc. it's called a bomb cyclone. it could be as dangerous as it sounds. but there is a silver lining to the perilous parade of storms. s. just pour a capful of beads into your washing machine
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