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he did it the last time. you know, there are times where you don't know. let's face it, when you elected barack obama, you were like, i don't know. i mean, that -- the kid -- look. you know, maybe you knew, but i have to say, i look at those -- i look at some of that old footage and i'm like, man, he looks really young. i can't believe they trusted him to do all that stuff. he looks like he's 25 years old. that was before the gray hair. some of you who are very young don't remember, but i used to have black hair. but with terry, you know. he's done it. and you know this about terry. he knows how to work hard. this guy is the energizer bunny. he does not sleep. he does not stop. he started his own business at the age of 14. paving driveways to help pay for college.
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now, i don't remember exactly what i was doing at 14, but i will tell you, i was not starting my own business. and ever since, terry has brought the same grit and determination to everything he's done, from public service to business to being a husband to being a father of five amazing children, so the guy knows how to work hard. and he's persuasive. and terry knows what it means to lead. a lot of times you see candidates say one thing to one group of people, and then they act a little bit different with another group of people. they don't seem sincere. they don't want you to know what they're really all about. but with terry, you don't have to wonder what he's going to be like as governor, because you've seen it. he walked the walk. didn't just talk the talk.
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as your governor, terry kept virginia on the right track after the great recession. he helped create 200,000 jobs, drove unemployment down in every city and county in virginia. not just in the sections of northern virginia that were getting tech jobs, et cetera. every county. every city in virginia, he was working to make sure the people got opportunities. every single one. so, when terry tells you he's going to help virginia rebuild a stronger economy that creates good jobs, when he says that he's going to invest in education and workers, when he says he's going to help families from everywhere get ahead, south and north, you can believe him. because he's done it before. and that kind of experience matters. because the work we need to do
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is too important to just leave to chance. this pandemic has made the last couple years incredibly hard for a lot of virginians. but thanks to leaders like governor northam and president biden, we've been making progress. the national unemployment rate is the lowest it's been since the pandemic started. in virginia, it's even lower. schools have reopened. jobs are coming back. businesses are starting to recover. we're moving forward. now we've got a choice. we can go backwards, we can plunge right back into the misguided policies and the divisiveness and the negligence that made this pandemic so much worse than it ever had to be. or we can build an economy that works for everybody, not just a few. where kids have a shot at a great education and workers can get the skills they need for good new jobs. where we follow the science when
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it comes to the pandemic. where we work together and we listen to each other and we move this country forward. that's what terry's running on. that's why he wants to be your governor. that's why you've got to get out there and vote. to make virginia a magnet for good jobs. to make sure our kids can go to school safely. terry talks about it. he's got a plan to boost the minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2024. help give young people like the ones in this audience the education they deserve. make healthcare more affordable for everybody. we've got half a million virginians getting help on the affordable care act. we could be doing more, and terry's going to do it. he talked about protecting a woman's right to make her own healthcare decisions. to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people.
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and terry talked about wanting to work in a bipartisan way with reasonable republicans. you don't have to -- he's not just saying that for the campaign. he did it when he was governor. he's walked the walk. and by the way, terry's not alone. all across the country, democrats are working to make sure that the wealthiest americans and largest corporations pay their fair share in taxes so we can do things like make child care more affordable. so we can make real progress in the fight against climate change. all across the country, democrats are trying to make it easier to vote. not make it harder to vote. and push back on republicans who are trying to systematically prevent ordinary citizens from making their voices heard. just this past week, some of you
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probably saw every democrat in the senate supported a bill that would protect the right to vote. and ban partisan gerrymandering and reduce the influence of dark money in our politics. every democrat voted for it. every republican voted against it. which, by the way, this is a little bit of an aside, but you have to ask yourself, why is it republicans don't want you to vote? >> they can't win. >> what is it that they're so afraid of? you know, i would assume, terry, if they think they've got better ideas, why don't they just go make the case? tell us your ideas. tell us why you think they're going to be better. tell us how it's going to help that man get a job or help that young person go to college or help that person get a trade. just explain it. and if you've got good ideas, people will flock to your ideas, but that's not what they try to
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do. instead, you're trying to rig elections. because the truth is, people disagree with your ideas. and when that doesn't work, you start fabricating lies and conspiracy theories about the last election. the one you didn't win. that's not how democracy's supposed to work. our democracy is what makes america great. it's what makes us the shining city on the hill. this extraordinary experiment in self-government and protecting that and preserving that. that shouldn't be a partisan issue. it didn't used to be. so, that's what terry and democrats everywhere are focused on. so, let's shift for a moment. to what terry's opponent is running on.
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don't boo. vote! booing doesn't do nothing. booing might make you feel better but it's not going to get terry elected. vote. now, i want you to -- i want you to get fired up inside and then go vote. terry's opponent, he's thinking virginians either aren't paying attention or he thinks that they're gullible. now, this is someone who has been very successful. made hundreds of millions of dollars. and you know what? that's great. we don't begrudge success. we want everyone in america to have a chance to pursue their dreams. that's what terry did. as a successful business person himself. but you notice that having
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achieved success, terry then decided, i need to give back. i need to lift people up. i need to create more ladders of opportunity for everybody else, because somebody did that for me. i'm going to do it for the next group of people coming along. that's why he got into public service. his opponent? not so much. his opponent doesn't want people like him to pay a dime more in taxes to support education or job training or child care or all the other things that might help the next generation get ahead. although now, suddenly, he wants you to believe that he's discovered the middle class. terry's opponent would -- he supported a policy that would cut education and public safety and put more than 40,000
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teaching jobs at risk right here in virginia, and now he's telling you he's very concerned about our kids and our streets. he told some voters in private that he can't talk about a woman's right to choose while he's running, but he said that if he wins, shh, he'll restrict the right across virginia. so, i -- don't boo. so, how could he claim to be the candidate for women? i don't either. as far as i can tell, the big message of terry's opponent is that he's a regular guy because he wears fleece and he's accusing schools of brainwashing our kids. he's also said he wanted to audit the voting machines used in the last presidential election again. really?
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encouraging the lies and conspiracy theories that we've had to live through all this time? and yet, we're supposed to believe he's going to stand up for our democracy? listen, i want to emphasize this. i'm glad that the guy can play basketball, you know? many of you know, i'm a big hooper. you know, so, that's a good thing. you know? you know, the guy can hoop. that's great. i'm less convinced that the co-ceo of one of the largest private equity firms in the world spends his time washing dishes and going grocery shopping, but who knows? maybe. but -- i mean, if you do notice that, like, whenever a wealthy person runs for office, they always want to show you what a regular guy they are.
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and that's okay. but when your supporters hold a rally where they pledge allegiance to a flag that was flown at the insurrection at the capitol on january 6th, the biggest threat to our democracy in my lifetime, when you don't separate yourself from them, when you don't think that's a problem, well, you know what? that's a problem. you can't run ads telling me you're a regular old hoops-playing, dish-washing, fleece-wearing guy but quietly cultivate support from those who seek to tear down our democracy. either he actually believes in the same conspiracy theories
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that resulted in a mob, or he doesn't believe it but he's willing to go along with it to say or do anything to get elected. and maybe that's worse. because that says something about character. and character will end up showing when you actually are in office. what are you willing to stand up for? what are you willing to say no to your own supporters? when are you willing to say, there's some things that are more important than getting elected and maybe american democracy is one of those things. virginia, we've got too much to get done.
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to be dealing with the okie-doke. here we are trying to recover from a global pandemic that has killed more than 700,000 americans, that shut down thousands of small businesses and put millions out of work. we don't have time to be wasting on these phony trumped-up culture wars, this fake outrage that right-wing media peddles to juice their ratings and the fact that he is willing to go along with it instead of talking about serious problems that actually affect serious people? that's a shame. that's not what this election's about. that's not what you need, virginia. instead of forcing our communities to cut back at a time when we're just starting to recover, we should be doing more to support people who are educating our kids and keeping our neighborhoods safe.
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instead of spreading misinformation and disinformation about the last election, we should be trying to strengthen our democracy and make it easier for more people to vote in future elections. instead of stoking anger aimed at school boards and administrators who are just trying to keep our kids safe, who are just doing their jobs. stoking anger to the point where some of them are actually getting death threats? we should be making it easier for teachers and schools to give our kids the world-class education they deserve and to do so safely while they're in the classroom. so, we're at a turning point right now.
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both here in america and around the world. because there's a mood out there, we see it, right? there's a politics of meanness and division and conflict, of tribalism and cynicism. and that's one path. but the good news is there's another path where we pull together, and we solve big problems, and we rebuild our society in a way that gives more and more people a better life, and that's the choice we face. it's a choice i believe will define not just the next few years but the next few decades of human history, maybe longer than that. you know, i look out at some of these young people who were two
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when i was elected. not born yet? you were born? thank you. i'm glad you were at least born. it was only a few months old, but he was born. so -- but i look at them because i see in these young people, i see my own daughters, right? and i think about the world we're giving to them, and i -- the thing about being a parent is that you hear it's a cliche and that it happens, and two of those cliches are true. one cliche is that, boy, they grow up fast. but the other cliche is, you will do anything, anything to make sure their lives are better. you will sacrifice anything. for them.
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and so right now, we're helping to determine what kind of democracy are they going to inherit? what kind of planet they're going to inherit? what kind of economy? what are we leaveing for them? and it's our choice. and i'm here today because i believe virginia will make the right choice. i believe america ultimately will make the right choice. i believe you right here in virginia are going to show the rest of the country and the world that we're not going to indulge in our worst instincts. we're not going to go back to the chaos that did so much damage. we're going to go forward with people like terry leading the way.
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but -- and here's the thing. in order for that to happen, we need your help. we need you to vote. look, i know a lot of people are tired of politics right now. listen, i'll make a confession. i never watch political shows. michelle and i, when we're at home, i'm reading, she's watching hgtv, maybe the food channel. so, i understand why people might be tired of politics. and the arguments and the tweets and the back and the forth. and some of you are just plain tired. because this has been hard. i understand why people are frustrated. we thought that the pandemic was just about done and then suddenly the delta comes up, and it kind of throws us for a loop. and people are just tired. they feel cooped up.
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they're not sure what's safe. all this arguments going on, on tv all the time. folks wearing masks. look, i believe that wearing masks is the right thing to do for people that we care about. look, we do it for people who are vulnerable. not just for ourselves. but let's face it. i mean, i think it's important to acknowledge, sometimes i lose my mask, i'm like, oh, man, where is it? you know? i mean, i understand why people just feel kind of, like, oh, when's this going to end? and sometimes politics in washington feels that way. right? it's like, oh, are we still arguing about gay marriage? really? i thought that ship had sailed. i thought that was pretty clearly the right thing to do.
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i thought -- we got republicans across the country who said, yeah, of course. and we're going to reopen that can -- what? so, i understand why sometimes folks get tired. but here's the thing. we can't afford to be tired. because of these young people right here. and the young people that are coming. and it's hard. nobody -- terry doesn't claim that by being governor, suddenly every problem is going to be solved. i didn't solve every problem when i was president. i mean, the fact is that it's hard to undo the legacy of discrimination that goes back centuries.
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it's hard to deal with special interests who want to keep the status quo when you're trying to make the economy more fair and more just. it's hard in a big country like this where people disagree a lot. to get everybody moving in the same direction. but here's the thing. we can make it better. when you got the right person in the job, we might not get every single person a job, but more people will get jobs. we may not get every child the best education in the world but we can get a lot more kids a better education. i didn't get everybody healthcare in america, but we got a whole lot more people healthcare in america. it makes a difference. when we decide to make things better. and when you have got somebody in your corner who has shown
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that they will work for you, who has a track record of accomplishment, then you've got to go out there and work for them, not because everything's suddenly going to be perfect but because it's going to be better. when you got somebody like terry who's responsible and serious. he's worth fighting for. so, you got to go out there and show the cynics that you're willing to knock on doors for terry. to make the calls for terry. to tell your friends and neighbors what's at stake. we ain't got time to be tired. we don't have time to be tired. what is required is sustained effort. you know, i was thinking about it because i haven't campaigned for a while, i went back to my first campaign. and i remember in the -- in my
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first presidential election, i spoke in grant park about a woman, 106 years old, who had voted for me, african-american, ms. cooper. 106. and i tried to imagine everything that she had gone through in her life. born in the shadow of slavery. deep in the midst of jim crow. a time where women, when she was born, didn't have the right to vote. much less black folks. and yet, she described how she -- the minute she had a chance to vote, she never missed, including up to the time where the first african-american nominee of a major party had the chance to become president of the united states. she had witnessed all that, and
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i thought, now, if she's not tired, i can't be tired. if john lewis wasn't tired, we can't be tired. if the folks who had to fight for union rights across the country weren't tired, we sure can't be tired. if the suffragettes weren't tired, we can't be tired. so, go out there and fight and work, because you're going to decide this election and the direction of virginia and the direction of this country for generations to come. don't sit this one out. and make sure you vote for democrats up and down the ballot. including for state legislature where a lot of important work actually gets done. i used to be a state legislator.
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don't forget them because they're what's going to help terry be able to deliver for you, and if you do these things, if you're not tired, if you work, if you vote up and down the ballot, if you get your friends and neighbors and your cousins to vote, if you do all that, we will elect terry mcauliffe. we will elect hala alaya. we will elect mark herring. we'll build on our majorities in the state legislature. we'll keep virginia on the path to a better future. i have faith in you. have faith in yourselves. get out there. get to work. yes, we can. god bless you, virginia. may god bless the university. god bless the united states of america. thank you, everybody. ♪♪
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♪♪ >> wow, wow, wow, quite a moment in richmond, virginia, you felt the former president missed campaigning, stumping, coming out fiery, to say the least, on behalf of terry mcauliffe, campaigning, running for a very tight governor race there in the state of virginia, bringing out the big guns in the final days as they make their way towards voting day for this governor's race. the president will also be stumping on behalf of terry mcauliffe in the next couple days as well, i believe on tuesday night. former president barack obama framing this in a way, saying, are we going to go backwards? we, meaning virginia. meaning the country. or are we going to go forwards? forwards with someone like terry mcauliffe, as obama put it, backwards with someone like glenn youngkin who he said, and
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i quote, cultivated support from those that seek to tear down our democracy. backwards with someone who works in corporate america, like glenn youngkin. forwards with someone, like he said, terry mcauliffe, someone who wants to help folks, not only in the state of virginia but around the country. coming out pretty strong there, to say the least, from the former president. we're going to continue to watch this throughout the day. also want to mention, by the way, glenn youngkin is having a meet and greet in richmond, virginia, as well. quite a speech, quite a moment for the former president and of course terry mcauliffe in the final days as they make their way toward vote day. i want to bring in gary grumbach. the energy was palpable through the screen, i got to say, right? if former president barack obama reminding us all the way he knows how to campaign. talk to us about how folks there on the ground are feeling about
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the former president being there. does he have it to bring this thing home for terry mcauliffe? >> reporter: hey there, yasmin, yeah, you would be forgiven if you forgot what this race was actually about during the speech but this is about a governor's race for virginia but it was about a lot of national issues, everything from gay marriage to the coronavirus to the culture wars that are happening in school boards across the country, there was a lot of talk about january 6th during this speech both by terry mcauliffe and by barack obama himself. now, terry mcauliffe focused a lot on making sure he was very clear to voters that he thinks there is no daylight between his opponent, glenn youngkin, and former president donald trump. he even brought up the idea that an american flag was flown at a donald trump-sponsored rally for glenn youngkin recently in the past few weeks and there was also entering barack obama's speech about the idea that you mentioned, the two different
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sides. they could go for the tribalism and the cynicism or they could go towards pulling people together. i did speak to a number of voters throughout the morning about what they were hoping for from barack obama. i think that's exactly what they got. here's what they had to say. >> he was an extremely popular president, and of course, we know he's really popular in college campus areas like this. so, i think him just being here and his charisma and popularity will really help booth people's turnout to elections. >> obama coming out here will help get out the younger voters. and people who are still questioning the vote, hopefully will persuade them. >> reporter: the fact that barack obama was here in the first place is a big deal. he said he wasn't going to comment on every news story or endorse every candidate so the fact that he came here to virginia in-person to endorse and to support the former governor and what he hopes is the future governor, terry mcauliffe, is a big deal. voters clearly thought that.
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and he is not done yet, actually, today. he's headed up to new jersey to campaign for governor phil murphy in his re-election bid. yasmin? >> gary, thank you for covering this. appreciate it. i want to bring in the former president's senior advisor, david plouffe, who's been standing by for us and listening, i assume. to his former boss. i got to say, that was quite a speech, david. i was sitting here laughing off camera, thinking, he sure missed the campaign trail. he looked like he was having a heck of a lot of fun up there. the former president, really liking to stump on behalf of the folks that he believes in most. >> yeah, well, he'll often say it's more fun to campaign for others than yourself, and so i think he did enjoy, you know, being out there and speaking about this moment. and you know, i think barack obama's someone that can be effective both with helping voters, base voters, that may not be sure they're going to vote but also the few remaining undecided voters, and i think, you know, his comments about the economy, about the pandemic,
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about democracy, about youngkin throwing in with the insurrectionists, you know, all those in a state like virginia that has trended blue. let's not forget the capital is right over the river from the biggest vote-producing parts of virginia, northern virginia, so, yeah, i think it was effective. and i think virginia is a state right now where democrats can reach their turnout thresholds, they should win. and so i think they're throwing everything they can at it in these last couple weeks to reach those democrats who are registered, who probably voted in '16 and '18, maybe '20 but as he said, they're tired and i thought that was one of the more effective parts of his speech which is to acknowledge where people are. we've been through a lot of must-win elections and now you're being asked to do it again. so, i think that was an important and honest part of his speech. >> it's something, actually, that you forget about the former president until you actually hear him say it once again, the way that he's actually able to connect with folks, regular folks, about what they're going through.
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because i agree with you, that was an incredibly effective part of his speech in talking about what we've been through over the last two years and where so many of us are at psychologically, especially the divisiveness that's happening in this country but really how we're all so exhausted, of course, with this pandemic. much of this speech, david, was a, do you want to go backwards, right, to sort of the trump era science-denying era, or do you want to move forwards? i want to take a little bit more of a listen to the former president and then we'll talk on the other side. >> we've got a choice. we can go backwards. we can plunge right back into the misguided policies and the divisiveness and the negligence that made this pandemic so much worse than it ever had to be. or we can build an economy that works for everybody, not just the few, where kids have a shot at a great education and workers can get the skills they need for
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good new jobs. where we follow the science when it comes to the pandemic. where we work together and we listen to each other and we move this country forward. >> i find it fascinating, david, because i felt as if i was actually listening to a speech for a national election, not for a virginia gubernatorial election, as if he was addressing the nation not just addressing this state of virginia and virginia voters, really taking seriously this notion that this is very much setting the stage for the way in which people are feeling about biden's first year of presidency and setting the stage, of course, for the midterms next year. >> well, there's no question. it's interesting, by the way, people probably forget this, back in 2012, in his re-election, that was our slogan, forward. and a different set of arguments back then, so it's something he's quite familiar with but i thought the other thing that was very effective connected with that was the segment of the
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speech where he said, terry's not going to solve all the problems in virginia. it's a question of who's going to make things better. and i think that's going to be -- has to be a core part of the 2022 election. which is, you know, joe biden actually will often say, don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative, so you need elections to be choices, number of one, and i think the mcauliffe campaign's done a very good job of making this a choice with youngkin, but also, let's be honest. we're not going to solve all the problems but are more kids going to have education, more people going to have healthcare and jobs and more job training? yeah. i think some of the lines you saw in virginia, there's no doubt, yasmin, will be things that we see barack obama and other national democrats bring on the campaign trail next year, which is another, given the threat to democracy, you know, another must-win election for the democratic party. >> what do you think about the framing of glenn youngkin by the former president and the way in which he went about it? saying, this is a guy who has been incredibly successful throughout his entire career, making a heck of a lot of money,
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trying to pretend as if he is a regular guy when we full well know he's not necessarily that regular guy that is trying to make himself out to be and then to go so far as to kind of put him in the same bucket as the january 6th insurrectionists, of course, and i read this quote from the former president, which i think is important to read again, in which he said, glenn youngkin cultivating support from those who seek to tear down our democracy. something that he either fully believes in or at least wants to buy into, to at least get those votes. >> yeah, well, sadly, you can count on basically one hand the number of republicans who will take a strong stand, because there's some that fall in the camp. i don't think it's a majority of republicans. that, in fact, the election was rigged. most of them know it wasn't. but they don't want to get on the wrong side of trump and the insurrectionists, which drive republican primary politics, and so i do think, listen, you know, some of these arguments he made against youngkin are the same
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ones he made against mitt romney in 2012. democrats love romney more than they did. he was successful in business. if you're going to be an executive, in that case, president, in this case, governor of virginia, are those the values you want? is that somebody who's going to fight for people in poverty? fight to keep people in the middle class? and clearly, the answer, given youngkin's positions on the economy, is, no. and again, i think that's got to be, particularly once these packages get passed in congress, that's got to be a big piece of the next year for democrats, which is to go out there, in every district and every county and every state and do the storytelling about how average people are benefitting and that the republican party stood in unison, both against helping the middle class and people trying to get in the middle class but also refusing to ask the wealthy or big business to pay anymore, so that economic populism, i think, is very effective. i also thought it was great that obama mocked youngkin a little bit and talked about the ads he's running about, you know, the fleece he's wearing and i'm just a normal guy doing dishes and trying to puncture a little bit of that b.s.
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>> can i actually play a little bit of an ad featuring the former president? because he's done a heck of a lot more than just stump on behalf of terry mcauliffe. he's actually now part of an ad which we don't necessarily have. i'm not going to be able to play it but it's a good one, but david, you know how television is. sometimes you think you have stuff. and then you don't. i'm curious from your perspective, david, and your history and what you have done for so long as you have, what do you think is actually really driving voters at this point? is it the pandemic? is it the device iness? is it still this kind of anti-trump movement, democratic voters, i should say. is it the economy? what is it? what is going to excite people, motivate people? >> well, listen, it's always a mixture. i mean, i live out in california. we just saw the recall. i think one of the ways newsom was able to win that decisively was to turn it into a choice, not a referendum, turn larry elder into the glenn youngkin
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figure in virginia, and then lean into the pandemic, where, you know, whether it's masks in schools, vaccination requirements, you know, these are supported by 60% to 70% of the general electorate. and i think amongst democrats, over 90%. so i think it's responsible leadership on the pandemic. >> got it. >> i think it's good economic ideas that are going to help everybody in virginia. but there's no doubt, trump-like candidates, i think, and the fear of them gaining more power is still probably the best way to get democrats motivated to vote, and i think that's going to be the case in 2022 as well. >> but you can't help but wonder, if they can get infrastructure across the finish line, democrats, that is, if they can get the reconciliation bill across the finish line, whether or not the term will be made to say, listen, look what we're doing on the campaign trail as we look ahead to the midterms, look what we're doing, the job creation we've had, support for moms, women that can now get back to work because of the infrastructure bill that we passed, the massive amount of money we've been able to get across the finish line,
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post-pandemic, when there's been so much economic suffering, if that's really going to change the game a little bit f they're able to kind of clinch this thing and drive it home. but of course, that is for another conversation, another day. david plouffe, thank you as always. thanks for sticking with us through this whole thing. we appreciate you voice. thank you. everybody, we have breaking news in the investigation into the deadly shooting on the set of alec baldwin's movie. stay tuned for that. we'll be right back. s movie. stay tuned for that. we'll be right back. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪
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all right, so, we're following some more breaking news in the wake of that fatal shooting of a cinematographer by actor alec baldwin. "the new york times" reporting that there were at least two accidental gun discharges onset days before baldwin fatally shot the cinematographer. this is according to three former members of the film's crew. the "l.a. times" also reporting that crew members walked off over those very misfires with workers describing onset gun safety issues. more new details emerging on exactly how this shooting went down before handing the gun to
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baldwin, the assistant director yelled out, cold gun. indicating the weapon did not have live rounds, which we now know was not the case. police say in court documents that both baldwin and the assistant director did not know the gun was loaded with live rounds. also new, a statement from the director of the movie who says, in part, this. "i am gutted by the loss of my friend and colleague, halyna. "joining me now is danny sevales. this latest development is astounding to me. it seems like all the missing parts of this really coming together. but who is ultimately responsible? who, at what point or where does the buck stop, i guess i should say. and i know you wrote about this and i want to read a part of your quote for folks to understand all the people involved in this. you write this. "when guns are involved, many other individuals are involved as well, starting with the armorer who supervises the use
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of weapons and may provide instruction, prop masters are typically in charge of the prop set-up, the stunt coordinator is often responsible for stunt safety, set safety as a whole is also usually the responsibility of the first assistant director. the first assistant director may conduct safety meetings before any stunt. anything involving firearms is typically reviewed and checked before the chute. in contrast, actors are responsible for acting." who dropped the ball, danny cevallos? >> we don't know yet but an investigation will look the a all those people i mentioned in my column. you have the first assistant director, the armorer, who's supposed to be not only check the weapons, be in charge of the weapons but also sometimes train actors how to use these weapons, and you have on a set overlapping areas of responsibility, so safety would be the responsibility, primarily, of the first assistant director but then you look to the armorer to be the one to handle the weapons and of course the stunt coordinator coordinates the stunts.
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they have big safety meeting in advance. they are supposed to check all this stuff. there are supposed to be overlapping areas of checks on things, especially things like firearms, which the general rule is, no live ammunition on a set ever, ever, ever. >> it seems as if, though, obviously, there was a check that wasn't made, and i want to re-read this news from the "new york times," because you have two accidental gun discharges onset days before alec baldwin fatally shot the cinematographer. then, on top of that, the "l.a. times" reporting that crew members walked off over those very misfires. so, why that information didn't necessarily make it to the safety checks is baffling to me, and what went wrong? >> this "new york times" report is very troubling, because what was previously -- we could think of as, oh my gosh, a one in a
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million chance, if it's true that there were prior occasions, similar occasions where there were firearms discharged, now we're getting into the legal world of actual and constructive notice, in other words, is it the case that folks on the set knew or should have known that firearm safety was a problem on the set? and that is going to be a key focus of investigators, both on the criminal side and certainly for the civil suits that are absolutely going to be coming down the pike. >> so, if we're drilling down on things, obviously, we have been talking a lot about the fatal shooting and death of brandon lee, also on a movie set. this has been drawing a lot of comparisons to that. in that case, actually, there were no charges filed because the negligence was spread over so many different people. is there a possibility the very same thing could happen here? >> there is absolutely a possibility that the same thing could happen here. you're absolutely right. the brandon lee case, if it wasn't such a tragedy, if it was a movie story, you wouldn't believe it because so many little mistakes had to be made
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to aggregate into this fatal mistake, and there were so many steps along the way where kind of one in a million things happened the brandon lee and his situation. the gun, a piece of the -- some projectile gets stuck in the barrel, then someone loads it with a blank and then it sort of creates a bullet, so to speak. it's just a bizarre situation. it may be the exact same thing that happened here. the responsibility is spread. >> danny cevallos, thank you for joining us. still ahead, everybody, what facebook knew, what the social giant's own research reveals about the platform's propensity for pushing users down dangerous rabbit holes. we'll be right back. s down dangs rabbit holes we'll be right back. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? what if your clothes could stay fresh for weeks? now they can. downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh waaaay longer than detergent alone. pour a cap of downy unstopables into your washing machine before each load. and enjoy fresher smelling laundry. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks make sure you have downy unstopables
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times" technology correspondent, ryan mack, who wrote about the facebook documents today. thanks for joining us on this. we appreciate it. i got to say, this is astounding. they set up their own kind of dummy facebook profile and all their algorithms lead them these down these rabbit holes to conspiracy theories and urging this carol smith user to sign up for something like qanon. you specifically wrote about the efforts that facebook had in place to regulate things, leading up to the 2020 election. which, in fact, to a certain extent, they did quite well. it was after the 2020 election, it seemed, that things started to slip. >> it was a mix of things, and i think we got to understand that what happened on january 6th wasn't necessarily just because of facebook. but just kind of this environment that facebook contributed to with regards to something like qanon before the election or even after the election, fueling the formation of stop the steal groups. that study you mentioned, actually very interesting, it's
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from july 2019, it's called carol's journey to qanon and researchers set up a dummy account to kind of see how facebook's algorithms recommended qanon content and took less than three days from that account being started to being recommended qanon groups and qanon pages in that whole process. >> so, obviously, we know that facebook doesn't take sole responsibility for the january 6th insurrection, nor should they, but that's also part of the whole congressional investigation into what took place on january 6th. not only with contributions from platforms like facebook but obviously from inside the white house, and inside the capitol and so on and so forth. that being said, i want to read for you from your story about facebook's own internal discussions happening on january 7th. in a report, the scope of what had occurred on facebook became clear. users' reports of content that potentially violated the company's policies were seven times the amount as previous weeks. the report said several of the most reported posts researchers
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found suggested the overthrow of the government or voiced support for the violence. given that, how is it that facebook does not take at least a modicum of responsibility when it comes to january 6th? >> i think that's part of the trouble, right? you compare what someone like sheryl sandberg said in the days after january 6th or what mark zuckerberg testified in front of congress with in the months after, trying to kind of push responsibility to other social networks, to cable news networks, to president trump, and what you kind of miss here is this environment that's created with not only just those things but also facebook. facebook contributing to that environment where there's instability, that there is doubt in the results of the election, and their public statements conflict with what a lot of this
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