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all right, that is going to do it for us tonight. i.d. want to mention before a good that msnbc and has a very good new movie that's going to air on sunday night, it's called civil war, or who do we think we are. it's really good, really well done, really thought-provoking, the executive producers brad pitt, if that tells you anything. that's when we are right here on msnbc, this sunday night at 10 pm eastern time. you should watch it. that's going to do it for me tonight, and i was time for the last word with all evil she filling in for lawrence o'donnell. >> that documentary is so good, it speaks to how the civil war
is taught differently than how you think it is, the whole idea that in many places through the south, it wasn't about slavery was about states right in the north, it's what's really amazing is the effect it has on students to this day in mississippi, i went to there to talk about students before they learn about real stories about the civil war in about slavery, because they don't learned in school. >> and it's this thing that is so big, and so present in american history, you'd think there would be an american history about it. but there absolutely is not an american history about it, and those of us who've learned a certain way, because we went to school in a certain way, are ignored into how it is taught another present the country. it's so eye-opening, and thoughtful. >> it does give us a different perspective on it, so i'm definitely very interested in sunday night and, thanks for the remarkable explanation of what's going on on the set of
rust because that's as clear as it's been to me all day. we have an excellent weekend they all see on monday. tonight we begin with ugly vitriol, that's how rachael gonzales describes the hate that our daughter libby had to enjoy speaking out against the texas republican crusade to punish transgender children in order to get up the republican base, donald trump's out of politics but we introduced into american politics is still infecting our politics in our democracy. he mainstreamed hatred. he created permission structure that made regular people feel comfortable with viewing violent threats and worse, and others, simply because they disagreed with them. this show has covered that ugly vitriol as it was hurled of politicians, election workers, school board members. but tonight, ugly vigil doesn't seem to seem strong enough to describe we're going to discuss. because, the republican base emboldened by trump is
targeting children, a tennessee team was told to shut up and heckled by the school board, when he shared that his grandmother died of covid. if you two-year-old florida dad -- of a high school student who didn't want to be filled. and let me gonzales is a 11-year-old transgender girl, she's been testifying before this texas state legislature since she was six, she wants to educate, she wants to share her perspective, she may not be able to stop republicans, but she's not going to let them get away with it silently. here she is, earlier this month, advocating for transgender kids to play sports with teams align with their gender identity. >> stop attacking trans kids, were just normal kids with normal lives. if you don't want to understand us, at least don't keep our families, coaches, and friends from supporting us.
>> that civic participation, that's what she's doing, she's participating in democracy, and some people are trying to scare her out to doing that. here's how libby's mother, rachael get silos, describes the harassment they faced when libby testified earlier this year. people were yelling at us calling me a child abuse or. we've been out of this for a while and, i've never seen it this bad, it is really scary. >> it got so scary, that rachel, -- now representative crockett, has opened her office as a safe space to libyan or family anytime that they come to testify, which is great. except, no one should see need a safe space to hide in the state legislature, it belongs to the people, no one should need a safe place to hide, when they come to give public testimony about public policy. republican lawmakers in texas are trying to legislate away lobbies rights, and conservative voters want to scare her about calling them
out about it. republicans are fostering hate with anti-trans legislation like this, and that hate fuels another round of discussion legislative proposals. now let's be clear, that he didn't begin with trump, it has been amplified by him. it has been made worse, regiments all says the hate is worse than ever before. quote, these lawmakers are emboldening violence by voting on whether or transgender people have a right to exist, and to live their lives. they'll forget apart whatever you think about being transgender. transgender kids have a right to live their lives. so two children want to wear their masks in school, and it's a blemish in this country that one political party has gotten so toxic that we've been out to remind people of facts like that. joining us now is rachel gonzales, she's the mother of a 11 year old dollar, libby, rachel libby gonzales have been activists on transgender issues in texas, and joining us democratic texas state
representative jasmine crockett, rachel, good to see you again. thank you for being with us. and i have to ask you about this, rachel, your daughter is an activist. she is exactly what we want to have a democratic society, since the age of six she's been testifying, i've spoken to before. but this is, sort of transgender, part of this is republicans in texas have made everything about both of the death. everything is black and white, and january if you will, not to use that expression. it's over simplified into, if you are not on our side we need to shut you down. >> yes, exactly. >> tell me a bit about how this is different than what it used to be. because you watch this now for five years. >> right, so my family's been doing this very actively since before the bathroom bill battle in 2017. and this year has been unreal, the way that people have been
emboldened to scream us in the halls in the return to, my kids their friends crying. taking photos. taking videos. people telling me that i'm the child abuse or. getting so bad that we felt like our only safe space, especially with kids was to be in representative crockett's office, and we're so deeply grateful that she has provide that experience for us, not just for my family but for all families of trans kids that they're there to testify against this horrible discriminatory legislation. representative crockett you and i have spent many a segment discussing what's going on in texas. i've been to texas twice and last month, it's hard to get my head around what's happening in texas. why everything has become an existential fight, why there is this remarkable effort by republicans to simply shut down
anything that does not conform to their life view. >> yeah, first of all it's great to see you ali, i'm sitting here getting emotional, because this is a family that i love, probably more than words can ever truly express. it just so happens that they're my constituents, until redistricting, and then they will not officially be in house district 100. but i remember the specific incident, and i couldn't believe it. because usually, when there's a big testimony day, i only get 500 square feet of an office, because you know as a freshman you don't get the biggest office in the building. and i remember getting a message from my office about what had happened, and i was flabbergasted, i usually give my office up, and i believe i was that either in committee hearings myself anyway and to know that these people had gone so far, and been so emboldened
that they would attack children, was ridiculous. especially children in their capital. it's sad that little b has to come and testify in the purse place. but this is the world we live in after trump. i think the hate is always been in their hearts, but he's allowed to say hey i feel this way, and they found all the rest of the haters, so they're having a hate party, and it's really sad, especially coming from the party they claimed to be all about chris janet-y, and loving one another. at this point in the time all you can really ask so many of them is what would jesus do? if something tells me that none of the actions would be approved by jesus. >> rachel, libby is not with us this evening but what does love you think about this. she's put herself out there for a very long time, she would have a difficult time in a society in which we live anyway, being a transgender child, what
is she feeling about how this is all unfolding. >> you know, she's a mixed bag of emotions, i guess, she feels a deep sense of responsibility because she is well supported and loved and valued exactly for being who she is, an authentic existence. and not a lot of kids, when there's lots of kids that are not experiencing that level of support from their families, their teachers, their neighbors, their classmates, their friends. so she feels a really deep sense of responsibility to show up for all those kids that can't be there. but, she's also crunched, i mean she's had some sleepless, very tear filled nights, seeing this last bill pass was really incredibly difficult for all of us, especially because she
really felt that she made good points, that she was heard in a hearing that was held in the light of day, which hasn't often been the case for us in the past. and, she was just crushed that after ten and a half hours of testimony, 84% of the general public that came out to testify against this bill, was immediately passed out of committee. it's really hard to feel like you have any ability to be heard when it's clear that the agenda revolves around the governor's election campaign, and not actually best of the people. >> this is interesting, i want to ask you about this representative crockett, but first when you hear from libby, let's hear what she said about after the testimony in april, in which she was unable to deliver the state's testimony because she was cut off to time.
>> who am i supposed to be if these bills passed? i told them my mom and dad that if this law passes i want to disappear. i don't know how i'm going to go to school and pretend that everything is okay. why are they so against or existence? no kid should have to worry about the stuff, or to have to go to austin to ask your lawmakers to let them have the health care they need. they keep telling kids like me that we don't matter but i know that we matter we stop trying to convince me that i don't. >> representative gonzalez that's hard to watch, but let me just ask you this, i will point does everything the texas is doing all their efforts to curtail civil rights, this is your area of expertise because your civil rights lawyer. i won't point to conservatives have to say, y'all are just mean, you treated several times the redistricting does not make it likely that republicans will be thrown out of texas legislature.
>> there's a lot of them vacay in their seats though, i don't know if they'd just don't want to live up to this terrible record, that they have from a session or, from the numerous sessions that we have, right. i don't really think there's a bottom right now. i think that these are people that are legislating not because they are doing what they believe is right for the people, but they're trying to figure out what do i need to do, that's five would it's going to take to get me through my primary. to have lawmakers come up to me and tell me, and say i had to change my vote on this or that because i'm concerned because someone on the right coming and running against me, that's ridiculous, that's not ours with three legislate. we're supposed to legislate because we're doing where we truly believe is in the best interest of the majority of texans, or at least in the best interest of our district. but instead they are catering to a very small group, and they don't have trump to bring out
these far-right extremists. so they're like all right, we have to figure out how we can get those people show up, because that's how we win, that's where the excitement in the republican party is now. >> and now the bag is transgender kids, it's kind of amazing. rachel gonzalo's, and i give my regards to living for participating in a democracy and civil society, as we hope all our kids do. jasmine crockett, texas state representative jasmine cronkite. joining us anna now democratic congressman mary newman, she became a target of representative marjorie taylor greene, after her daughter came out as transgender. representative marie newman, i guess it's a continuation of the same conversation, marjorie taylor greene's manifestation of somebody who we didn't think with some kind of person to be elected congress, but people have to make their choice about where the elect, she represents memes and hatred and prop congress and you've been a target of, it your daughter's been a target of it. >> that's absolutely true, and
i think we have to remember that it's indicative of who she is, not with the movement is about. she is all about hate, hate campaign, we often say in my office when we walk out we see a wall of hate, it's not just lgbtq plus, she's white supremacist, she's insurrectionist, she has a lot of hate. >> and that's a larger context, here, there used to be, you know this is a legislator the, used to be reasonable rational arguments that were happening, that were happening and should have been happening, between democrats and republicans about social policy about economic policy, that seems to be absent from the discussion. when i get for a straight conversation about the middle wage should be 12 bucks an hour or 15 bucks an hour, you can have these because we're having these major conversations about social issues to rile up a base it doesn't want to talk about policy. they fear for their existence
and so they want to fight. >> well, it's indicative when all you have is joining up on social issues, and you don't have policy. what's happening, sadly, and congress, i'm sure in the texas state legislature, is you're not talking about health care and how to boost the economy, and crush the vaccine. we're talking about these ridiculous hate campaigns. so let's get back to that. i've spent all my time talked about build back better and we're gonna fix roads and bridges and bring childcare, and create a federal health care system. so, let's get back to that. >> how do you do that, how does that translate to your republican voters. because in theory, you're trying to make the point that, you might not like it, my like up the side of it, but it's actually gonna benefit you more than arguments about lgbtq and black lives matter are gonna benefit your kids. >> here's the funny thing, we do agree on, this whether republican or democrat, we all use roads and bridges, there's
only american wrote so bridges, so let's make sure those roads and bridges are fixed, and we bring our infrastructure back to number one. we're 13th an infrastructure right now, that's in the entire world. and similarly, we have one of the highest maternal death rates, that's ridiculous too. so in a state where they except refused to expand medicaid, where they have a huge medical grade problem, where they can't take care of their own mothers, i would think that they would think twice about going after a solution that doesn't have a problem. and that's what this bill is it's a hate bill. >> that's exactly right, thanks for your time, congresswoman marie newman. coming up, there's something very important that's often left out of president biden's agenda, specifically its price tag, how much should be investing in ourselves, and our future generations. never left out of conversation
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motioning through the weekend to get a framework for the democrats only social spending bill, today house majority leader sandy hoyle announced he won a agreement by monday. -- the house floor by the end of next week, the smaller infrastructure bill, the bigger human infrastructure bill, if you want to call it that, after meet with biden this morning, the speaker nancy pelosi had this to say about what we should expect. >> whatever it is, it's gonna be bigger than anything we've ever done in history. >> now the where these bills work, it's a tenure package, the big bills dealing with climate, with taxes, with education, with only leave, which by the way will be paired down, to about two trillion dollars from its original cause of the three and a half
trillion. stephen dennis of bloomberg news on the bigger picture here he said there's sort of a big fight in washington that you may have heard about, it's about whether we spend 62 trillion dollars over a decade or 60 trillion dollars. joining me now is stephanie carleton professor of -- the deficit mid, professor carleton, good to see you again, thank you for being with us. i've never generally speaking read numbers, i don't like talking about them on tv, this is the one problem we're talking about numbers, we put prices on bills, but we leave the discussion about the value within those bills till later. so the debate is about bringing the 3.5 trillion to two trillion. none of us know, most people don't know what the value was in that bill, what's being cut, and what's been installed because of it. that's exactly right we get really bogged down because these numbers feel so large, and they are large. and most of us can't wrap our heads around it, and of course
the media likes to take advantage of these very large numbers and give us some sticker shock, and make it all sound really unaffordable, and somewhat were really talking about with the democrats but, they started off talking about, with his 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation bill. and they have a framework, they had a framework for this. one of the amounts to, we use terms like three and a half trillion dollars, but that's the ten-year price tag. and it's a weird sort of thing to do, but it's budget speak. everything is sort of costed in ten-year terms. when it amounts to, ali, as you know, this is about 350 billion dollars per year over the course of the next decade. it's about 5% more than the government would already be on track to spend. >> so if we as individuals decided not to think about our monthly or annual budgets for food or for clothing, or a housing, or heating, and we thought about in ten years harms, we'd all be quite shocked, actually, about what
these things cost us. but we're not sort of made to think about the fact that i buy this food because that'll feed me in my family for a week. i paid his rent to this mortgage because that's what houses me, what do we do to get people back on track about thinking about what we need to invest in, versus just the price tag? >> we have to talk about our values. we have to talk about what is in the bill, and why it's in the bill. why do democrats want to extend the child tax credit, for example. this is a single provision that is lifting almost half of all the kids in this country out of poverty. and it's going to expire, because it's a temporary provision. democrats are saying why would we want to allow this thing to expire, when it is doing so much good for so many families in this country. let's extend it. there is a discussion about whether to extend it for a period of years, or whether to make it permanent, but that is meaningful. let's talk about what it means to aspire to go to college, and not be able to do that. let's talk about the struggles
that families have, finding affordable health care, finding a pre-k program to put their kids in, so that family can deal with childcare issues, and people can return to the workforce, if they're dealing with caring for an elderly parent, caring for a sick child, paid family medical leave. these are life-changing programs, policies that democrats are talking about putting into place, or extending. and we lose track of that because we get bogged down in these debates about the price tag. >> you study other countries that do this, most countries do child and family, childcare family leave better than america does, and it's sort of built into their systems. but they look at it as a return on investment. you mentioned lifting children out of poverty, which you get for the dollar that the government spends today, over the next ten years in terms of development of a child's, in terms of all of these other
things, other countries tend to do this, well and they tend to have better outcomes and we do. >> they do, you look at a thing like investments in early childhood education. exactly right for every dollar you spend investing in early's childhood education, the research says that we get more than $7 in terms of return on investment. that sort of gets us back to talking in terms of the numbers, and making the sort of fiscal or economic argument for some of these, and it's just the right thing to do. do we want to live in the kind of world in which we are supporting families. in which people who get sick have the right to see a doctor, in which people who aspire to go to college have the ability to go to college without leaving with millions of dollars, trillions in the aggregate in-depth. but deeply in debt, as a result of these things. so it is a moral issue, it's about the kind of society we want to live in, and when the investments were willing to make to make that a reality.
>> i know you've written lots of lots of pitches on this and you've spoken about it what's the simple answer to people who say we can't spend on things we can't afford. >> well look, the federal government as proved time and again, is able to fund whatever it deems a priority, we just spend about five trillion dollars supporting the economy through the pandemic, from march of 2022 where we are today, the federal government has stepped up with a five chilling, you will probably know that there is a vote taken just recently to authorize defense spending, on the pentagon budget. senators came in and said, listen, you made a request, you asked us for money, we're feeling generous today, we're going to give you ten billion dollars more than you even requested. so, money is no objects. the barrier to entry is the votes. if the votes are there, the money will go out. >> stephanie carleton, good to see you as always. stephanie carrollton is the
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federal firefighters being paid less than $13 an hour. come on, and. that's unacceptable to me. one nighttime boosters not enough, these courageous women and men take an incredible risk to run towards a fire, they are just for their to be paid and paid good money. remember that old expression, god made man and then he created a few firefighters, well it's true, they're incredible. >> federal wildlife firefighters are responsible for combatting all major wildfires in the united states. but shockingly, most are paid
an hourly wage of $13.45. that's because wild land firefighters are classified as quote, forestry technicians by the federal government. there's no classification takes into the account the dangerous work that these men and women do, bipartisan group of house members want to change it. congresswoman joe jordan a goose of colorado, and congresswoman les cheney of wyoming, and congresswoman katie porter of california, to improve the pay and benefits of federal firefighters, the bill would raise their hourly pay, to these $20 an hour. $20 an hour to tactical of fire, and their salaries to at least $28,000 a year. it would guarantee these firefighters receive health care, including mental health support, it improve paid leave and retirement benefits, and secure funding for housing intuition assistance. the bill is called the tim heart wild land firefighter classification and paid parity act. its name for a smoke jumper from wyoming who died earlier
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to have you with us, we are pushing our firefighting workforce to a breaking point, and it has to change. i think the president is right when he talks about the need to ultimately ensure that these firefighters who are sacrifice and so much on behalf of our communities, that ultimately there were welcomes as wildfires grow across the west as they become more intense more in dangerous, exacerbated of course by climate change, federal firefighters early vine their lives, their families, for months at a time, working on average six now are david lee shifts in some cases sleeping in the desert with, incredibly limited time off to reset and re-connect with loved ones. these are highly skilled individuals, in their vital service in support, every major wildfire response, my district, i represent northern colorado, a district is larger than the state of new jersey, over 50% of it is public land. and we had the first and
largest wildfire in the history of colorado, both happened my district last year, and we rely on these federal firefighters to ultimately protect our communities, to save lives, to save homes, to save businesses, it is favor a state. and we owe them, so i'm grateful to lived cheney, and katie porter, and my colleagues, to join together and make sure we take these steps. >> and you are all from states where this idea of climate crisis is very real for people, it's not even a political distinction, this problem with wildfires going worse. nbc reporting that over 47,000 wildfires, not acres have burned across the u.s. this year, destroying nearly six and a half million acres or 15.5 acres burned every minute, that's according to fire weather an avalanche center. this is not going away, congressman, so this problem about this almost informal firefighting source. we have not taken seriously
these federal wildfire firefighters, our need for them is only going to grow at a time when we don't pay them enough we don't get them enough support services. >> that's exactly right, colorado is no stranger to wildfires but the wildfires are becoming more tense, more pervasive we, no longer have fire seasons, we have fire years. where we can literally having five some raging in january and december, and those fires are ultimately raging to this day, we talk about climate change when we talk about climate adaptation, which means making investment based on resiliency, making the climate conservation corps which, we're planning as part of the build back better plan with biden support. and we also invest in our workforce, because at the end of the day we are going to rely on federal firefighters for many many years to come. and that's why these steps, such as bumping the annual salary by $20,000 to $50,000 annually, have the floor now to
ceiling. and guaranteeing health benefits, and mental health benefits, are such important first steps in terms of investing in this workforce, as i said, for many years to come. >> thank you for this work, good to see you again joe neguse is a congressman from colorado. and coming up, donald trump is launching its own social media company, but this new toy might be putting democracy in danger again. that's next. again. that's next. that's next. we have to be able to repair the enamel on a daily basis. with pronamel repair toothpaste, we can help actively repair enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. at vanguard, you're more than just an investor, you're an owner with access to financial advice, tools and a personalized plan that helps you build a future for those you love. vanguard. become an owner. (burke) i've seen this movie before. vanguard. (woman) you have? (burke) sure, this is the part where all is lost
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now. governments have failed to understand them, to hold them accountable or to regulate them, even a social media companies do things that news their profits but undermined democracy. when you're competing to be the most undemocratic force in america, donald trump is also on the running, and now donald trump will control a social media company. he and his supporters and conspiracy theorists will have a truly unvetted space to spread their lies. it could also put money into donald trump's pockets with very little work on his part. we saw what happened in 2016 when the russian government use social media to interfere in the american presidential election. imagine that scenario with not facebooks mark zuckerberg, not twitter but the truth social, donald trump, actually in charge. joining us now clint watts a former special agent with the fbi and an expert in counter-terrorism and misinformation is back on the subject is messing with the enemy, surviving in a social media world of hackers, terrorist russians and fake news. he's a distinguished fellow richard, and an msnbc national
security analysts, and on the right of your screen is an early facebook investor the author of this book, waking up to the facebook apostrophe. you are the perfect guys to talk to, gentlemen, tonight. roger, it never leaves me that you have said that you believe social media is incompatible with democracy, or at least social media the way we have a today, i think there are a lot of people watching the show who think donald trump is incompatible with democracy and now the two have paired up. >> well, ali, they are made for each other. if you think about facebook, they connected three billion people on one network with no barriers, and then they enabled advertisers to target literally anyone individually with perfect data. the result was something that transformed the world of scammers and extremists. they can recruit their marks and fleeced them or radicalize them on facebook at will. facebook did a lot of things to
empower them. this was hugely important for trump, he used facebook to suppress votes in 2016. he used social media to radicalize people and -- he undermined the country's response to covid, he tried to do it again in 2020 and organize stop the steal which led to the insurrection. the latest scam is this media company which he pitched to his followers and which they now have bid up by a factor of eight, now it has a market value of 3.3 billion dollars, having done absolutely nothing with a shell inside of it. it's dangerous. >> let's talk about this, you guys come from different places about this but you come to same conclusion, unvetted social media can be a distributing mechanism for disinformation and misinformation. did this new development of donald trump airing up for developing a social media company alarm you?
>> it alarms me but it is completely expected, i think for any campaign and that would this is, it's a campaign, for any campaign you want to bring her users and close their minds by bringing them somewhere, now you can deliver them the information that is online with their values. the problem with this, all of this distorts what is the reality, people will go there for their dues, which will be shoved to them by outlets that confirmed their beliefs which are largely false. then they will organize so they can facilitate information distribution to other applications which will make it harder for them to police all misinformation. ultimately can lead to things like globalization, what's the users don't realize is that there are giving up a tremendous amount of personal data, we already know this
about social media. when you look at what is happening with this app and what its administration is, and how it's been rolled out, we just don't have any protection there. it definitely won't be sufficient to stop things like mobilization. >> roger, we have ongoing grievances from conservatives that their voices are squelched on mainstream social media and yet day after day, including tonight, there are more reports about what's some of the social media's actually knew about the extremism that they were spreading, about the misinformation that they were spreading, but the bottom line, as you write in your book is that this is by design, it's not a bug, it's a feature. they make money out of this stuff, misinformation and salacious stuff gets more clicks, so what if anything should be done at this point? you both have called for a degree of regulation of which none has happened. >> ali, that's the fundamental problem, the issue is not with social media per se it is with
on veteran social media, with no regulation we really need regulations of three kinds, we need food and drug administration, and fda for that because without any regulation, many of the products are dangerous, not just facebook but you think about ai, you think about whether it's cryptocurrencies or facial recognition or many other things, a lot of these things shouldn't be allowed in they'll should be regulated. we should wreck ally's the business model itself, there needs to be rules to protect people from being manipulated by people who have perfect information about them. and so you have to prohibit the use of private data, and location, things that are so intimately giving us away. lastly, we have to allow for competition, the hardest problem trump will face with this new platform is that facebook and google are monopolistic and can block his access to new people. but i do think that trump has advantages, he can organize a
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virginia has to live on planet earth so preserving coal for an extra day is not a good medium or long term plan, have a free community college? in west virginia we're only 21% of the population is college educated, what about a robust permanent child tax credit in forest for genius extend percent of the population lives in poverty and nearly one third of west virginia children live in households that don't have enough food to eat or are behind on their rent. joining us now is the bishop doctor william j. barbara the co-chair of the poor peoples coalition, the president of repairs of the breach, and we can add experts on all the way that the democratic agenda could help people economically. reverend barber good evening to you, you are going out of your way to make the point to joe manchin, in particular, that there are things in this large bill that would be of direct help to many, many people in his state. >> you're right, ali, it's people, we want to have a rally
on the capitol steps, because we are tired of these lies saying that he's doing this for us. 40% of west virginia 80 poor or low wealth. the people who want to speak out are those people, on sunday at 4:00 that's what's happening. some of the people think that senator manchin has become senator no, he's no on family leave, he's no on the environment, no one seniors having better medicaid, no one students going to community college, no one voting rights. the only thing he is yes to is yes to corporations and yes to the greedy. he is not a moderate, he's really politically mean and a moral. his plan will actually cause west virginia 10,000 jobs, the plan would bring 17,000 jobs. and he says he cares about working people but ali, he's not even want the people to made $15 an hour minimum wage. the people in his state. the people have said they want
to speak out and tell the truth and he is not doing this to us, even the coal miners are saying they want the things in this plan because they understand where the country is headed, and where the environment is headed. >> every time you bring up $15 an hour like to remind people that's $30,000 a year, it's not people running away with something, that in itself is a hard amount of money to live on. you make an important point, in all of this discussion, the people who don't have law obvious and don't have representation in the offices of the lawmakers, are the poor and low wealthy people of this country, and you have worked for the last several months to try and get their voices heard so that the folks can understand how to actually live how these changes will actually affect them and raise them, tell me about what you've learned? >> well i actually agreed with some of your earlier guess who said that we should have never
gotten tied up in these number arguments. it should've been about values, what is the cost if we don't do it? to be quite honest we begged, we pleaded even with the hammers of the white house. let us bring some folks, low-income, from arizona texas, to the oval office let them sit with the president, the economists and let them go to the mike and talk about the impact of the plan on them for some reason i don't know when it is, it seems like even some of the democratic friends are afraid of the bad people that are trying to help, then you have a manchin lying on the people, trying to claim that he's helping sympathy for some reason of the people don't want to put the people in front of the mic who are actually going to be impacted, that's what we're gonna try to do sunday. we need to put a face on this, ali, not just numbers.
>> but it is hard, whether it's this or voting rights, it is hard for low income folk and working folk and people who live in poverty to take that time, it's a privilege for the rest of us to be able to protest and get out there. you have warned that we must not discount these people, we think of them as voiceless and so we talk around them and about them rather than to them. you have warned that in fact they are a voting bloc, they are powerful, if they are rejected they will remember the fact that they were rejected. >> exactly. one of the things we need to hurry up an in america is that a third of the electorate is now pour and in the battleground states 40% are you the poor flow wealth, we want to mobilize them into a powerful block around an agenda. that is actually the sleeping giant. we just released a study called waking the sleeping giant and it shows on all the battleground states the real power that can turn elections's poll and low wealthy people. >> reverend dr. barber, it's a pleasure to speak to you again,
thank you for joining us, the bishop william j. barber of the poor peoples campaign, always appreciate your time. before we go we have an important programming note, we have a very big night planned sunday here on msnbc, when you are going to get a chance to see the new peacock original documentary civil war, looking at the roots of division in this country. the film which is executive produced by henry lewis gates junior will air sunday at 10 pm eastern and tomorrow morning on my show velshi, i'll have a first look at the film, i'll talk to the director rachel and one of the history teachers who's featured in the film, and i had a chance to travel to jackson, mississippi this week where i talked to a group of students, professors and school teachers about race and education in this country. it was a fascinating and important discussion, you will see that and much more tomorrow morning at 8 am eastern right here on msnbc, and that is tonight's last word. the 11th hour with brian williams begins now. >> good evening once again as
we bring another week to a close, day 276 of the biden administration. tonight the january six committee appears to have scored a win in its fight against donald trump's claim of executive privilege that is to say that a federal judge has signed off on an expedited hearing for november 4th, about two weeks from now. trump has issued the committee over materials that were covered by executive privilege and therefore are confidential. there's also news about former justice department official jeffrey clark, sided in the senate judiciary panel report as a key player in trump's effort to overturn the 2020 election. the report says he was in direct contact with the former president and willingly pushed other justice officials to act on trump's false claims of election fraud. cnn reporting tonight clark will now testify before the january six panel next friday, a