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stuff. i'll see you monday. we'll go to "the reidout" where tiffany cross is in for my friend, joy. hey, tiffany. >> hey, ari, did you ask george clinton the age old question why must you be like that, why must you chase the cat? nothing but the dog in him. excellent interview. i love being lead into george clinton. >> nothing but the dog. i love it. >> exactly. i'll take it from here, ari, have a good weekend. good evening to everyone at home. i'm tiffany cross in for joy reid and we got a lot to get into in the next hour including stunning details about what happened in the hours before that deadly shooting on a movie set in new mexico. and in a little while, i'll be speaking to jamie raskin about the vote to hold steve bannon in contempt and the bizarre scene on the house floor yesterday when congresswoman marjorie taylor greene literally tried to pick a fight with both raskin and liz cheney. yeah, we'll talk about it.
but we begin "the reidout" with progress that will impact millions of working class americans. it sounds like democrats are finally getting close to the finish line delivering the build back better agenda but the questions we all need answers to, what exactly will be in there and will it include what was promised? vice president kamala harris travelled to the boogie down today and in the bronx and visited to promote administration's plans. >> this right now is a moment that will not last. it is a particular moment of incredible opportunity and a moment to transform our nation. in this moment, we have an opportunity to build an economy that works for working families. >> and last night president biden seemed to appear hopeful
that it would actually get done. take a listen. >> we're down to four or five issues i won't negotiate on national television. >> we would be interesting in hearing if you want. >> i know. all kidding aside, i think we can get there. >> but there are two major hurdles that democrats have to overcome and that is west virginia senator i love the filler buster joe mansion and arizona senator, nobody know what is she wants, kyrsten sinema. to ensure both remain on board in passing this once in a lifetime legislation, the white house and fellow democrats had to trim the proposal from$3.5 trillion to $2 trillion. here is where we stand on the legislation and what exactly it means to you. according to nbc news, the bill currently include as year extension to the child tax credit, four weeks of paid family leave that's down from 12 weeks, universal prek, vouchers for dental cost.
funding for child care centers and increase in pell grants to pay for college and elder care provisions and some type of climate change funding. let's talk about what is probably out. that's free community college, expanded medicare, a more aggressive climate change proposal and thanks to sinema, no increased corporate tax hikes to pay for the bill and additionally, "the washington post" is reporting the bill will most likely include a smaller investment in housing and homelessness. but in a promising sign, it does seem like democrats are finally looking to finalize the plan that would tax 700 of the wealth threest americans as a source of spending for the legislation. house democrats will aim to take up the legislation, which would give americans more but in smaller amounts instead of hardier investments into fewer things by october 31st. that's halloween. let's play it's not a doomsday. i'm joined by dr. jason johnson professor of politics and
journalism at morgan state university and host of one of my favorite podcasts, "a word with jason johnson" and msnbc political analyst. this should be an exciting discussion for sure. jason, you have the benefit of being onset with me and the added benefit of being my nemesis so i'll start with you. democrats have to get something done and we're going in the midterms. people of color, younger voters came out in droves to deliver the power of the federal power to democrats. what is the message in 2022 and can they get the bill passed? >> i know sports is your strong suit. >> absolutely. >> we talk about young people and young voters. they are looking past this game to the second one. the infrastructure bills, those are great and wonderful but a lot of activists say if you do this, what happens to voting rights? these negotiations are setting the frame work for how we think we'll have to negotiate whether
or not we'll have the right to turn out and vote to thank them for punish them for not getting these policies through afterwards. that's what i'm paying attention to now. it looks like they're about to land the plane and will get some policy through but they got to move to voting rights. if that's put on the back burner until 2022 there will be chaos next fall. >> yeah, and can keep the power to the federal government. good point. i want to bring you in the conversation here. what is the message that democrats should be carrying if it's 2022 and the point to jason, can they keep the power of the federal government? >> well, tiffany, they have to do it around what i think is a central component that really has been lost thus far and the democrats have to be seen as the party that took control of a nation in chaos around covid and was able to right the economic state and help solve the covid crisis. a lot of work was done as a
preliminary step with the american rescue plan. remember, the vaccine rollout that we've seen now on getting close to 70%, we're about to see it fund 28 million children in this country. that is critical. but that economic recovery and the sense that covid is being fixed by the democrats, if the democrats aren't perceived as having got credit for that, they will have a hard time selling anything and i think to dr. johnson's point, it can't be said enough, a, they've got to get this reconciliation and this infrastructure bill passed. they're in desperate need of a win now because there is a question of competence and if they get that done before the virginia election around the corner, it would be disastrous, tiffany, if they don't get it passed before then there is a loss in virginia and all of a sudden, whatever momentum is halted so it's critical they get this done and then as jason said, save democracy. this open assault on the democratic process that is happening before our eyes by a gop that is now unhinged and
unhinged from the tenants of american democracy, if they don't address that, there may not be a 2024 case to fix the country in 2022 and beyond. >> you raise a good point but honestly, a lot of people watching at home, if you don't cover this stuff you don't want to get in the capitol hill drama, it's about what is in this bill that impacts you. i want to talk about housing. congress woman maxine waters said she'd fight for it. take a listen. i had her on the show a few weeks ago. take a look at her response and we'll talk about housing. >> if there is going to be a real effort to deal with discrimination and exclusion of people of color and people who are working every day but can't afford to have rent, we have to spend the money in order to deal with the housing crisis in america. >> well, look, jason, i'll tell you right here in d.c., there are a lot of people who are
homeless. the population of homelessness keeps increasing. there are millions of people facing homelessness or eviction. that is a frightening feeling. this money in this bill will give money for down payment assistance. it really impacts everyday american people. if this goes or if it shrinks. >> you can't kick people on the streets in the middle of a pandemic. this is messaging democrats should use against sinema and mansion. you can do back of the envelope math. look at the trump tax cuts and you look at the bush tax cuts, you add those up together. that's about $3.6 trillion in tax cuts. this whole plan by the democrats is only going to come in at $2 trillion. ist it's actually a discount keeping people in their homes and helping kids go to school. they should put this in contrast to the cheapskates in congress saying we can give money back to the billionaires but we can't give it to you to keep your
house. >> let's talk about sinema. this is driving me insane. i want your opinion here. biden said yesterday during the town hall, she's smart as the devil. that my friend we agree. why is she concerned about corporate tax hikes and the healthiest people of the country more than she is american people? it feels like she's a plant. the republicans have a vested interest in this administration not getting anything accomplished. she seems to be somebody who is hell bent on this administration not getting anything accomplished. what are your thoughts here? >> trying to understand krysten sinema is trying to understand rudy giuliani. fundamentally, it's not really going to be about krysten sinema or joe mansion. can the democratic evers put it across the finish line? one other quick point on this, you know, i think another potential land mine is if the
democrats don't celebrate the passage, whether it's a $2 trillion bill or $3.5 trillion as a success, you wanted a new car for christmas, you didn't get the lambo, you got the tricked out cadillac. it's just as good and will save and help the lives of millions of americans but until people begin to feel that, and that still may be a year away from when the bill passes until people feel the effects realtime, i'm not sure it's going to have a political benefit and that's why it's important it has to be framed around the case of this is being done to fix the country's problems economically with covid and then in the future, the democrats are the party enhancing every american's quality of life. >> well, yeah, i echo your thoughts. look, i think sinema will have trouble midterm. she may have a challenger. what are your thoughts? >> well, joy -- [ laughter ] >> well, joy -- she's going to be in trouble. her state is unhappy with her
and the thing you can't do as a politician you can sellout to the rich and offend people. you can't look like you're not doing your job. waldo and carmen san diego easier to find. joe mansion at least believes in things. it will be easier to bring her along once she sells to the people paying bills but her long-term political future is next to nil. >> i got three words for you, congressman ruben. there is an effort to draft him and run and challenge her and when you look at her record here on helping the build back better plan, it is very dismal. there are other things in the bill we don't talk enough about. people get so caught up in capitol hill it's important for viewers to understand the benefits that are in this bill that will impact them. there is a provision in the bill that would also rise $5 million a year for the small business
administration for an entrepreneur program for formally incarcerated individuals. that is a major piece of legislation that we're not really talking enough about or paying enough attention to. this will impact a ton of people particularly people focused on ban the box legislation when they can't get a job anywhere else. these are the talking points that democrats need to be out there selling. do you think that the media and democrats have done a good enough job of selling this to make sure that this bill gets passed? >> well, no, i don't think they have but by the same token, strategically it doesn't make sense to sell it until it passes. we already know the polls are clear, the american people think these individual policies are popular. they want to see these types of legislation that are going to make the country move forward and be real progress. the problem is, the reason we've seen president biden's approval blow up over the summer is this seeming sense that nothing is getting done. the end fighting, the sausage
making, folks don't go into the manu sha. once it's passed, you can say look at this transformational piece of legislation that the democrats, not the republicans, because there is not a single republican vote on most of these items that the democrats passed and if not for the democrats, this would not be happening but back to the point, get it done. get it passed and hopefully, all indications are it looks like it might happen this coming week. >> yeah, we hope so. we got to get off that talking point of end fighting among democrats and put the blame back on republicans being obstructionists here. thank you dr. jason johnson and fernan. up next, the feeble and embarrassing opposition republican to holding steve bannon in contempt of congress. congressman jamie raskin a member of the january 6th select committee will join me next. plus, new information tonight in the tragic shooting death on the set of an alec baldwin movie with crew members
reportedly very concerned about safety and this was before the shooting actually happened so you don't want to miss that. also, seriously, where is the accountability? the stunning report about a miami police officer who still has a job despite years of complaints and hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawsuit settlements. and with voting rights legislation facing major road blocks, we just talked a little bit about that, president biden may be reevaluating his position on the filibuster sometimes prayers are answered. "the reidout" continues after this. answered "the reidout" continues after this buffalo chicken panini. fire! nas... spare a pound? what? you know, bones, shillings, lolly? lolly? i don't have any money. you don't look broke... ♪♪ this...
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better he wasn't appoint' a member of the january 6th committee. he was rejected by speaker pelosi back in july. so it must have been especially humiliating for him when his gop colleague congresswoman liz cheney revealed he's been pretending to be a member ever since. cheney devolves banks has written letters to federal agency falsely describing himself as a ranking member of the committee he has no part of. banks of course is among the 202 republicans who voted to let steve bannon defy a congressional subpoena and yet, none of those republicans could articulate a legitimate argument in opposition to the measure. instead, we heard a complaint. >> the select committee dispieces steve bannon's politics so they're abusing
their power to put him in jail. these are the folks who assaulted our democracy for two years under the spector of the russia hoax. >> when president trump was president, americans got christmas presents on time. >> and because they can't build back better, they've just decided to build back meaner. >> it always comes back to a war on christmas some kind of way. listen, marjorie taylor greene was apparently so enraged that congress would dare hold bannon accountable she tried to pick a fight with liz cheney and jamie raskin on the house floor while the vote was taking place. according to axios, qanon reportedly called the vote on contempt a joke in turn cheney respond that greene was a joke and asked whether she needed to be focussing on her antis-semitic space lasers. this is a woman of congress, by
the way. jamie raskin joins me now. so happy to have you here on a friday night. thank you for being with us. i'm really sorry what happen d yesterday. can you tell the viewers what exactly happened when you were confronted by someone that's clearly disturbed? >> i never met marjorie taylor greene or properly introduced to her and she began by approaching me and asking when we were going to have hearings about the violence in the black lives matter protests and i said, we really did need to have a hearing about kyle rittenhouse and the two protesters that he shot and killed, you know, with his assault weapon and so she turned to liz choir cheney and began engaging with her. liz is the best mannered, most poised member of congress we got gave as good as she got from marjorie taylor greene and was not letting her get away with anything. so, i appreciated the fact liz stood up for our position.
>> well, you both did. i think that was a pretty quick come back on your part. listen, i mean, we can kind of laugh at this because she's laughable but it's kind of scary she sounds like the homeless woman who sleeps on my block. this is a woman actually an elected member of congress that feels a bit unsafe, like she keeps asking for these encounters. but i don't want to spend too much time on her. go right away. >> i'll just say there is a serious issue here because, you know, donald trump is taken over the gop and they've organized themselves literally around a lie. a lie that's been rejected in 61 federal and state courts all the way up to the supreme court and a lie rejected by numerous election officials including lots of republicans like brad and a lie repudiated by their commissions they create like in arizona somehow to try to fair
out the fraud. in arizona they found biden had a bigger victory than legally declared and yet, still, they organized themselves around the big lie and then that turned into the big violence and now it's turning into the big coverup with steve bannon who refuses to do what every other american does, to testify when called upon to testify by congress or a court. >> look, that's a scary part that you talked about, the big lie. not so much members of congress are perpetuating this but millions of people. it has to be scary because will these people ever accept an outcome of an election they don't like? i want to ask because the question people want to know overwhelmingly is will these people face accountability? if steve bannon gets away at thumbing his nose at a congressional subpoena, you think about jared kushner, ivanka trump and the people congressman mo brooks even.
what does that mean for your committee's work? >> well, before we get there, the good news is that the vast majority of people we've called up for interviews or that we subpoenaed have come to testify in interview or engaged with good faith negotiations with the committee. if you get a subpoena for friday at 9:00 and you can't make it and want to command at 4:00 or reschedule for some valid reason, we can do that. we're not trying to put people in jail. we're trying to get the information we've become banded to do by statute about the worst attack only the u.s. capitol since the war of 1812. a political attack that really could have kicked off a civil war. in fact, i looked at hundreds of tweets today sent out calling this civil war part two or locked and loaded. people who are ready to come to washington to do violence to the capitol to threaten vice president mike pence and to try
to over throw the election. >> listen, i want to tell you i was among the people. i actually was walking into our burro when that attack happened on our capitol and these people were coordinated congressmen. they had on t-shirts. they were color coordinated and had hats. i understand the committee has broken into five committees and there was one specify national person who was looking into the financing of what happened there. what are you looking, what information are you looking to gain with this forensic financial expert who is looking at the financing of this attack? >> you know, i'm not aware of that reporting and the select committee we meet as a whole. there might be some reference to different groups of people on the staff. don't believe everything you read about the january 6th committee. in any event, we're interested in the coordination among the different violent elements. we know the proud boys, the oath
keepers, the three percenters, the militia men and qanon followers all acted as a violent van guard at the front of the march and helped to lead the violence, which led to the wounding and injury of more than 140 police officers who are beaten over the head with steel pipes and confederate battle flags and 2 x 4s and so on. and then of course, there was coordinated entry into the building and they were chanting hang mike pence, hang mike pence and threatened to go and get nancy pelosi and put a freaking bullet in her brain as one of the insurrectionists said. so this was very serious business. donald trump's efforts to play this off as, you know, a rowdy protest where the protesters were hugging and kissing the officers is a farce and further extension of his big lie. >> so i just want to nail you down on this, has the committee
brought on financial, forensic financial litigation to look into the finances of the incident that happened on january 6th? >> i'm not aware of that specifically. obviously, a number of us including me are very interested in the financing of it. you don't knock over the u.s. congress and disrupt electoral college counting for the first time in american history by accident and you don't do it for free. this is a very expensive operation bringing in the buses and bringing in the protester, rioters by planes, trains, hotels, motels and the operation. we'll see there was millions of dollars, i think, involved in this operation and we want to know exactly how the violent insurrection part was coordinated with the attempted political coup. in other words, the volence that was mobilized against our officers and against other
officials inside the building, how that was coordinated with donald trump's attempt to get mike pence for the first time in american history to declare unlawful powers to reject electoral college votes, lowering joe biden's total below 270 kicking the whole contest into the house of representatives for a contingent election. that was the purpose of this thing and the gop had 27 states but i don't think they would have gotten wyoming's liz cheney that large up there but would have left them with 26 states in the majority and i think that that was the purpose of the political coup and also the purpose of the violent insurrection. >> well, congressman, i'm sure you heard many times by now what do you call a failed coup? practice. we'll watch the work of your committee as we enter midterms as we hope people will believe in the democratic system we have and accept the election results when they don't like them. thank you so much congressman
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so many questions remain over the tragedy that unfolded yesterday on a film set in new mexico. during production of his new movie actor ale baldwin fired a prop gun that killed the direct for photographer halyna hutchins. >> shortly after the shooting a distressed alec baldwin outside sheriff's office. the veteran actor fired a prop gun on the new mexico movie set thursday killing the film oos
's director of photographer and seriously injure rg. >> was it loaded? >> i can't tell you that. >> reporter: just hours before the deadly shooting on the set of "rust" an independent movie which baldwin is also a producer, nbc news learned several crew members walked off the set over safety concerns including multiple previous misfires of the prop gun according to a source familiar with the matter. baldwin who is 63 expressing remorse. there are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of helen that hutchens, i'm fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred. >> one of the things about firearms onset that people don't realize is that even if it's set up to fire blanks, federally, it's still a real gun. >> reporter: larry a hollywood
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the very long road to police reform was dealt another blow this week when the supreme court ruled in favor of two police officers qualified immunity defense against allegations of excessive force. this sent a clear signal that a majority of this conservative court is still overwhelmingly in favor of providing this controversial shield for law enforcement and this comes one month after bipartisan police reform talks in congress collapsed and this is partly over the issue of qualified immunity. so without the ability to hold police truly accountable, we're seriously left with heinous and violent actors who time and again abuse the badge they wear without any repercussions. politico's mark took a look at one such officer in florida who is described as miami's least fireable man. captain javier ortiz the union president of the fraternal order
of police in south florida has packed up numerous headlines over allegations of excessive force, false arrests, racist social media posts and bullying and as reported, in his 17 years on the job, 49 people have complained about ortiz to internal affairs. he's had 19 official use of force incidents and acued $600,000 in lawsuit settlements and throughout this, he remains on the force with no more than a paid suspension to show for it. some may call this a vacation. ortiz didn't comment but one of his lawyers says he's a man of deep integrity that adheres to an older code of no non-sense law men. we know what that means. joining me is mark caputo. bravo, my friend. amazing reporting. very comprehensive like reading a mini novel. looking at this guy's offenses,
it is disgusting to read. do you think anything will change now that your article is out? >> well, things started to change during my reporting and i'm not the only one that's reported about javier ortiz. there is a new chief in town or new acting chief and he made sure to put ortiz on as you said a suspension, it's paid suspension but they can't suspend him without pay under state law. one of the things that makes javier ortiz worthy of study in the context of today's discussion and debate about police reform is he kind of embodies all of the different elements his record is so long and in depth concerning police allegations and bullying is we have state law. we have a law enforcement bill of rights that gives law enforcement officers job protection. you have at the local level a collective bargaining agreement and the fact he was a union boss
for a number of years and so there are these intersect policy and political matters that made it very difficult for him to be fired. even his own lawyer in our story said that the miami-dade or better said the miami police department's internal affairs division has been a joke for 40 years and that's been a big problem, as well. you tease this episode or this segment by talking about one of the quotes from one of his fellow officers, douglas who said he's a bad cop protected by bad leaders and a lot of leaders haven't had the stomach to take him on. the new chief seems to be willing to do that. albeit, his suspension appears to be for his conduct involving other officers, potentially creating a hostile work environment, not his interactions and accusations made against him by citizens on the job. >> so in your great reporting, you talk about the acting chief this guy manny morales. even if fired, there are
provisions that would challenge that firing and protect him. i want to give the viewers an idea who this guy harassed. he's done racist posts, he clearly is not discriminatory when it comes to who he's harassed. these are some of the people who have complained about him, a teacher, a college student, bar patrons, motorists, maintenance worker, drone operator, a woman who claims she was flung down an escalator outside a bar, a man lost his nerves from having handcuffs tightly. he reportedly had another man had his eye socket cracked in a beatdown that ortiz did. so i ask you, mark, if there is still provisions that if morales fires this guy, what is the recourse from people who are on the receiving end of this level of abuse?
>> that's a great question. i would say let the process play out. i don't have the ability to predict that. he'll probably get his job back. however, ultimately, the firing of a police officer goes to an abtraitor, a judge. one of the allegations the former chief have is that the arbitrator is picked in part in concert with the union and the arbitrator will have a tendency to give the city a few firings now and then and then he'll give the union or the cop a firing now and then or better said, will reinstate him now and then like a 50/50 proposition. now that having been said one of the interesting things about ortiz is while he was the former union chief for the miami police department, he has since had a big falling out with the membership when they decided not to elect him or reelect him as president and he's trying to get another union involved. there may not be a lot of love
for the union and a lot of rank and file don't like the direction he's gone and they don't like the appearance or the reputation at the miami police department has gotten. that having been said as my story says, the miami police department has a real history of brutality. the fop, fraternal order of police local chapter is named after walter headily, the racist chief in miami who in 1967 famously said when the looting starts, the shooting starts and that's something donald trump said word for word a few years later or last year during the post george floyd upriings we saw across the nation. >> the unions rejected this guy, i will not shed a tear for the unions. the police unions are a huge part and honestly, mark, the $600,000 that has cost taxpayers for bad cops start with bad cops. listen, bravo. amazing reporting. i encourage everyone to check out your story. it was riveting. thank you for joining us and
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the u.s. supreme court is allowing texas to remain america's version of the handmaid's tale. the justices will hear whole arguments on november 1st. that's ten days from now. they have declined to block the law for a second time. only justice sonya sotomeyer decented on that and blasted her colleagues. the promise of future adjudication offers cold comfort
for texas women seeking abortion care who are enentitled to reli now. i got to start with you here. are we seriously going to trust a conservative court with an actual handmaid on it to protect the woman's right to choose? >> no. we can't. that goes not just for the supreme court but state courts all across the country. i think this highlights the real importance for us to really pay attention to local elections, state house elections and pay attention to statewide elections. so many of these people leave the state house and go to washington, d.c. and they make decisions based on our bodies and our lives. obviously, we're seeing this play out in the great state of texas. sadly, what i really want people to think about are the elections that are happening on november
2nd. making sure that you call your friends in virginia to make sure they are voting. we don't need virginia to turn into texas and in the upcoming years, we don't want more states to roll back the woman's right to choose and voting rights legislation as well. >> the supreme court will hear that mississippi case when it comes to abortion rights as well. matt, you're running in the state of texas. pay attention to those state house legislatures but you can pay attention if voter suppression is keeping you from the ballot box, what can you do beyond paying attention? the texas governor just appointed as secretary of state a lawyer who briefly joined trump's challenge to the 2020 election in pennsylvania. honestly, with this level of voter suppression happening in it can, what impact will that have on the elections and can you win when the state is actively suppressing the right to vote? >> texas has become the
epicenter of all the awful. from everything from choice to guns to not dealing with fundamental issues to now voting rights. it's because these politicians don't feel like they will be held accountable in a general election. their goal and its their unstated goal but very clear, they don't want election day the look like texas. that's what their goal is. if election day look like texas, they would all lose and they know that. their desire not to be held accountable for these awful policies. yes we can win. it will take a turn out to overcome impediments. we have done it in our history before. we thought we were over this 450 years ago or 80 years ago or 30 years ago. we had voter beaten and killed along the way voting for voters right. we're not honoring their legacy. we're dismissing their legacy. we can win but it will take extra effort and extra work. the worst thing we can do is to
sort of abdicate it. i think part of the republican strategy is to do so many bad things and so much we feel so beaten down that we give up. i think that's part of their unstated strategy because people are so with this onslaught. we have to overcome impediments like all those leaders before us. >> yeah. i totally take your point. i hear you. i have to say, we never thought voter suppression was over. even though the supreme court struck down section 5, voter suppression ran rampant in all our communities. when you see the long lines on election day, that's vote r suppression. when you saw increased voter id laws, that was voter suppression. can we admit that republicans who do not want people who look like you and me at the ballot box. this is targeted suppression for black, brown, indigenous people. it's like they are spitting in our face trying to convince us it's raining. >> we know the democratic party
has become the party of the bigger tent. they are welcoming to immigrants, to people of color, to people of multiple classes. republicans have decided to cast their lot with white supremacy so slowly but surely makes their pool a much smaller pool. they also don't believe in science or fact. with covid-19, they are losing a lot of their base as well. voter suppression is the only way they can win. started with georgia in 2018 and we have seen in it races across the country. what we should remember from our lieutenant government candidate is to say even though we are exhausted and we know that black women have been the backbone of not just the democratic party but democratic writ large, we must keep going because this, as you say, it's not new. we do have new strategies. we have to try and stay one or two steps ahead. whether that's fund raising, whether that's calling people in other states to make sure they know that races exist.
we know in presidentable elections, only 60% of the voting eligible population bothers to show up. we still need to tap into people who we need at the ballot box. >> we're not new tow this fight. we're true to this fight. let's assume that president biden might be tuning into this program tonight. he did tease he might be willing to nix the filibuster. if he's watching now, what advice would you give him when it comes to the filibuster? >> my advice is to abandon it yesterday. if you can't go back in time, abandon it today. the filibuster is being youed to undermine democracy in our state. i thought we should have done voter rights before anything else because it's the most fundamental thing. infrastructure is great and it's fine and we need it. everything else depends on boat voet voting rights. every single other issue depends on voting rights. it should have been the
priority. we should have put everything off until that was done. >> we'll be watching your race. good luck to you. i hope i'm talking to next lieutenant governor of texas. thank you dr. greer. time flies. that's the reid out. i want to tell you why i'm here. joy is off celebrating her son's bitday. i want to wish a happy birthday to miles. he'snamed after nassar jones because her husband loved that rapper. coming up, i'll talk to pramila jayapal. as jury selection gets under way in the murder trial of three white men for the death of ahmad aubury. we'll do a deep dive of how people of color are left out of the jury pool. join me tomorrow for the cross
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