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♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ hi, there, everyone, 4:00 in new york, signs, that the riff within the republican party is blowing wide open in the wake of the insurrection and the decision by a tiny handful of
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republicans to recognize the threat posed by the disgraced, twice impeachmented expresident and the big lie of a stolen election with their votes yesterday. that riff made itself apparent on the floor of the house of representatives during that vote to find steve bannon this contempt of congress. the vote that all but nine republicans refused to uphold the body of the institution in which they serve. this video was seen between marjorie taylor green and two members of the january 6th select committee, jamie rask skpin liz cheney. quote, this is a joke, green said on the house floor, presumably about the vote. why don't you care about the american people, she asked raskin. at that point, cheney said something unintelligible. greenery applied, you are a joke, liz. to which cheney responded green was the joke and asked whether she needed to be focusing on her quote anti-semitic space lasers,
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according to a source familiar with the conversation who told axios what was said. greenery applied she never said that, the thing about the space lasers. earlier today raskin had this to say. watch. >> i thought that liz, who is about the best mannered and best-poised person in the house of representatives, my just walk away. but i was impressed that she gave as good as she got. i will leave it to liz to talk about whatever it is she said. but seemed the me like the theme of marjorie taylor green's comments was that liz cheney betrayed trump and the republican party. and the theme of liz's comments were that marjorie taylor green was, shall we say a bit eccentric. >> being kind. the riff within the gop is playing out behind the scenes as well. "new york times" is reporting a move by mccarthy's camp to hamstring cheney's re-election efforts. quote, the house minority leader
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is warning political consultants they must choose between working for representative liz cheney or mccarthy, an ultimatum that marks the full rupture between the two house republicans. jeff miller, a lobbyist and confidante of cheney's dating back, has conveyed this us or her strategist in recent weeks prompting one fund-raising firm to disassociate itself from liz cheney and looming over the eight other republicans who voted to find steve bannon in contempt on thursday are putting the expresident who is trying to put the big lie at the center of whatever it is these days. the nine republicans in now in peril of becoming political pariahs. they have opened themseves up to primary challengers and partisan attacks from their party's king maker, donald
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trump. that's where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. tim miller is here. also joining us, jackie al mainy, "washington post" congressional correspondent as well as author of the early 202 news lerl. and former congresswoman donna edwards is here. jackie, do you have any additional reporting or color about the fireworks and the anti-semitic face laser barb launched by liz chinny? >> yeah, nicole i don't have necessarily new reporting here. but i think we need to take a step back and just look at the year in totality since some of these republicans who voted to hold steve bannon in contempt also voted to impeachment trump and stood align in being that group of ten standing up against donald trump. from there, you have seen this party really ride a roller coaster where you had kevin mccarthy increasingly veer
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towards the likes of defending people like marjorie taylor green time and time again. this isn't her first outburst. i saw her lash out, you know, pretty aggressively, and some might say violently approach aoc over the summer. but this is a party that continues to protect her and continues to try to throw liz cheney under the bus. i think we anticipated at the beginning of this year the group of ten republicans who voed to impeachment trump, again, ten of whom voted to hold steve bannon in contempt would band together. but we are also seeing that fall apart here. the more that we see marjorie taylor green propped up and continue to be supported by the minority leader, i think the clearer it is the direction that this party is going in. >> it is not a direction anymore, tim miller. it is a destination. they have arrived. and they have chosen bad-bleep
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crazy over incredibly conservative intellectual arguments for conservative things, which is is what liz cheney represents, oh, along with the truth. kevin mccarthy is the story here, though. i used to know jeff miller in another life. he wasn't a snake. but this is a snake move. what is the purpose of cutting off cheney's fund-raising, tim miller? >> it is sending a message. for starters, don't cry for me, republican fund-raising cult consultants, i guess. they are not exactly the victims here. i don't feel horrible for them. but to your point, the actions of jeff miller and kevin mccarthy are extremely telling. look, they have -- they have completely thrown in not just with marjorie taylor green. look at this caucus. they have paul gosar, the nicest thing you could say about him is he is white nationalist curious. he might be worse than that on the white nationalist chain.
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mat gets a, who -- you have got matt gaetz. you have mo brooks in this caucus. you could be a fund-raising consultant for them and jeff miller doesn't care if you fund raise for white nationalists. what he cares is if you fund raise for someone who is telling the truth about his boss's complicity in the insurrection on january 6th. i think that shows you where they know they are vulnerable, where they know that they are weak. and it shows you, as you have said, that they are at an destination. mccarthy decided the all the-right members in his caucus are fine. it is people that challenge donald trump that are the problem. people that speak truth about january 6th that are the problem. >> i want to just follow up with you, tim, adam kinzinger makes a similar point to the one you are making tweeting this on this reporting, curious if the same
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ultimatum was put out for those who embrace white nationalism, qanon and other conspiracies or just the truth tellers. what kevin mccarthy and jeff miller seem to have miscalculated on is the devastation that kinzinger and cheney can do to the republican party on their way out should they be on their way out. targeting them for the mid terms isn't soon enough to stop the damage that they are -- they are on a committee that will receive round-the-clock coverage as it goes on investigating the deadliest attack on the united states capitol in all of our lifetimes. donald trump si wear of that. that's why he tweets like a nervous nellie every time the committee is in the news. i wonder if you think anyone on the mccarthy side is aware of the terrible miscalculation they are making? >> here's why i don't think so. i agree that it is a miscalculation. but here's theirs. they are not scared what have
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the 1/6 committee can do because they are not trying to atact anymore mainstream voters. they are completely bought in on maximizing the trump cult, they think. i think maybe rightly, that they can win in '22 by maxing out their voters while maybe there isn't excitement on the democratic side, while there is maybe frustration with the president. they are not even trying to appeal to these people. do you know who they are scared of? not the 1/6 committee. they are scared of steve bannon and his racist podcast. that's what they are scared of. bannon robbed their own voters. he was indicted for robbing their own voters, for pretending to build a fake wall. he literally took money out of the pockets of kevin mccarthy's base and should have gone to jail for that. gets pardoned. and now they are scared of him, but a he might say something mean about him on his podcast.
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i think that tells you everything you need to know about their cole class. they are fully all in with the crazy. they are no longer even going to try to worry and appeal about the reality-based community and the results of 1/6. >> i will stand by the assessment that it is a miscalculation. on another front, donna. i think the republicans are recalibrating on the stupidity of the officials with whom they serve. here's jamie raskin. >> the marjorie taylor green freedom caucus faction has been eroding the level of discourse that we have in the house of representatives in the congress. and it is very hard to know what to do. whether you just walk away or you engage with them. i will tell you, at least speaking on the democratic side, that the post trump democrats are very different than the pretrump dechlts we have come as close to fascism that we want to
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come in america. and we are not putting up with the nonsense anymore. >> because trump has been impeached and acquitted quis democrats have learned the lessons of the stonewalling, of only care being bannon's podcast. not even brett bear on fox news breaks through to that hardened base. but i think what raskin said is lost on them. the democrats aren't playing the game from impeachment one or two even. they have brought it seems thicker skin to this fight. i wonder if you think that means the outcome will be different, donna edwards? >> i do think they brought thicker skin. you can just witness the desire to hold steve bannon in criminal contempt. i mean, that is a "hardball" move. i think it means what democrats are doing is they are going into this eyes wide open. they see the fire that's burning
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and they are not willing, again, even to run right up to it. so i think that's a good thing for democrats. while i think republicans are governing or -- they are not even governing. but whatever they are doing, from a position of fear. democrats are governing from a position of being afraid of what that fascist caucus has in store. and i think that that is going work for democratic voters. and i fully expect that we are going to see a bump up in enthusiasm among democrats because we have already seen the -- what republicans are willing to bring and what they are willing to do and the depths to which they are willing to sink and, you know, are going to fight hard against another set of mar retaylor greens coming into the congress. >> i want to focus on someone sort of new to this effort. you talked, jackie al mainy about this group of ten in the
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house who voted to impeach not really holding together. but they gained a new member in nancy mace. let me play for you why she voted yes on the bannon concept referral. >> i think it is important the remember no matter who is in power we are consistent in our beliefs and our values, and in the constitution, and in the powers and privileges thereof of congress. when republicans are in the majority in a year and a half as i believe we will be, i want to fight for the ability and the opportunity for us to have subpoena power. i don't want to water that down. >> again, this is the bare minimum we should expect from someone paid by the taxpayers, to simply be faithful to the ability for congress to have subpoena power. that's the sum of it. it puts her on a list of nine -- let's call them heros in this day and age. people willing to call up up, down down, right right and left left. i wonder if she will be punished
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as hard as cheney and kinzinger. >> congressman mace has an interesting trajectory. i think she wavered between speaking out against trump explicitly and directly than taking some votes in favor of trump and some votes against trump, as you noted. time will tell, especially as we get closer to the 2022 mid terms. but look at someone like anthony gonzalez, who announced he is going the retire. he was a promising young star. you know, well-liked by many of his republican colleague, even the minority leader was in -- was protected by the minority leader as well even after his vote to impeach president trump but decided to call it quits and retire next year because of the death threats that he experienced as a result of striking back against this president. so i think, you know, regardless of what happens to nancy mace, i think when you acknowledge that
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what we have seen from this group of republicans is them paraback and tamp down their rhetoric and their truth telling on calling out donald trump explicitly for what they previously found to be abhorrent in his behavior. >> tim, there is something so stupid about this conversation. i take responsibility for us because i am leading it. but these are nine -- i am looking at these names. these are nine far-right conservative human beings. liz cheney, adam kinzinger, mayer, katko, mace, fitzpatrick, gonzalez, herrera butler. these why not prochoice anti-gorsuch pro gun safety republicans. these are proright wing conservatives, who will be vilified, who will have their funds cut off by jeff miller based on "new york times" reporting because they basically hit in a safe room with the likes of matt gaetz, the alleged
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child sex trafficker. they all did the same thing. they all had the same reaction. they all felt the same way on that day. but these nine are willing to say, i saw what i saw, i heard them yell "hang mike pence". what is the future of a party that is heading in that direction? >> nicole, well, i think the answer to your question is that this just isn't about policy. right? it's just not. to be in good standing in the republican party now, you could be out of step on some of those policies that you listed. that is not the driving force. the driving force is complete and total submission to trumpism, and to all of the conspiracies and all the, you know, anti-voting rights elements that they are putting target, you know, in order to allow them to undermine the system that we have. right? that's why these guy -- tony gonzalez is going to be replaced by max miller. he is accused of beating up
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stephanie grisham. he has been nothing but a trump stooge all of his life. he is not more conservative by any metric. he is just more willing to say and advance lice on behalf of donald trump. that's it. that's the only litmus test. look, i think the seven -- i want to downgrade the hero list for you. i think there were seven heroes on that list who voted to impeach donald trump. nancy mace, i don't know if i am going to give her the hero card who was trying to down play january th and justify a lot of b.s. talk why she didn't impeach donald trump, now she is trying to feel better about herself. i am happy with her vote. it should have been 190, not nine people who voted to hold steve bannon in contempt. but it is not about going down a checklist whether you are for tax cuts and babies and foreign
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policy him in. that's just not what it's about. >> the fact that it's this huge electoral loser is the plot twist that always gets me confused. i won her do you democrats stay on not just a moral high ground but a political high ground? >> i think one thing is not getting down into the mud with the likes of marjorie taylor green. i think it is important for her to be called out. all she does is chase people around capitol hill yell and screaming at them. that's not governing. i think the other thing that democrats can do is to continue to hammer home the message about our democracy and about the challenge that these people pose to our democracy and how they were willing to undermine it, undercut it, and destroy it. and i think the american people are sensitive to that. we're not stupid. we saw what happened on january 6th. and we know that those 202
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republicans are just sort of standing there in the gap making sure that we can't achieve democracy. i mean, it's actually shocking that the nine members were actually the mainstream the republican party. >> right. >> you know, just a little over a decade ago. and now they are the minority in that minority party. >> minority, and as i'm sure tim is right, on the precipice of being run out of the republican party and replaced with whackier, crazier people with no ethics and some of them, it sounds like, from tim's reporting, criminal records. the beat goes on. i wonder, jackie, if you could come back to something you have articulated on this show as marjorie taylor greene being a menace to members on both sides. are there any cleanse about looking into her? does anyone talk to her? does anyone worry about the way
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she comports herself and whether or not she's stable? >> absolutely. it's just a matter of who says so publicly and then who will only say so privately. whether you ask minority leader mccarthy about marjorie taylor green's actions, i had the opportunity to ask him this week about her latest outburst, but previously, he feigned ignorance. hasn't read about it. hasn't seen it. even when you try to detail the various infractions he again says he doesn't have an opinion on it if it is not referring to what we were talking about. but democrats are hyper aware of it. many of them have had to staff up their security and bring in outside security to protect them because of the death threats that have come in as a result of some of the accusations that marjorie taylor green -- the baseless acquisitions that have
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been thrown out there, either on twitter, funds raising e-mails, and through her public statements. so there is a serious concern from democrats about her behavior, and there is a concern amongst republicans. what they will do about it, though -- you know, it doesn't seem like much is likely to happen. she has already been protected several times by this party. democrats tried to boot her off of committees and while they succeeded -- again, the minority leader, mccarthy continued to defend her and protect her. and, you know, i just don't see how that's really going to change so long as marjorie taylor green is echoing the former president who is the de facto leading republican candidate for 2024. >> we should note it was not a "new york times" story we told you about at the top of the hour. it was not reported by the "new york times" that jeff miller threatened to cut off marjorie taylor green's fund-raising
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access. just liz complainy. after the break, death threats against eric swalwell. the congressman blames tucker carlson. plus, a scathing dissent to the court's ruling on the texas abortion ban. and a new report on the tragedy of alec baldwin's film. we will tell you about that. when "deadline: white house" returns. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. ines revving,s hitting one another.) (sfx: continued vehicle calamity.) just think, he'll be driving for real soon. every new chevy equinox comes standard with chevy safety assist, including automatic emergency braking. find new peace of mind.
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there are new threats and
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brutal verbal abuse directed at a democratic lawmaker. they are just the latest and the more shocking agenda of the republican party all in service and loyalty to the disgraced expresident. congressman eric swalwell shared an email he received last night filled with profanity and slurs, 26, as we counted that we can't play it here. the caller labels swalwell quote an enemy and quote an enemy to our democracy and constitution all apparently how he was bog being cuffed over on fox news on tucker carlson's program. swalwell wrote, tucker attacks me, his fans respond with threats tocal my family. and tucker knows exactly what he's doing. joining our conversation is congressman eric swalwell of
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california, member of the house judiciary and intelligence committees. i don't want to amplify the threat but i want you to characterize how it was different. in the arena, we all see a lot of this. but this felt different. tell me why. >> it did, nicole. and we receive hundreds of threats. what was specific about this was the caller identified he had just been watching tucker carlson. now, we get a lot of threats that come in as tucker carlson attacks, but this person identified he had just heard from tucker carlson. he was then calling my office and then of course dropped a number of racist, sexist, homophobic epithets in the call, and then threatened to kill my entire family. and what is so frustrating about this, nicole, is that i have personally, eyeball to eyeball, asked tucker carlson not to lie about me on his show because of
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this effect. i have even in the last couple months sent a text message to him telling him when he lies about me on his show it results in death threats to me, my wife, and our family. and when we had people protesting outside his house just a couple years ago i went on twitter despite not agreeing with almost anything he says and i said that that's wrong to his house and terrify his wife and the way that that happened. but he does this because he knows that his followers will be inspired and radicalized and then aim their vitriol at whoever he is attacking that day. it is not going to shake me. i am going to keep doing what i need to do. but we are in a radicalized country right now. i fear there is going to be a day of more bloodshed and violence against law makers and influencers in this country. >> do you have any doubt that tucker carlson knows the effect of his attacks on you. >> he knows it because i have conveyed it to him personally.
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and also as i said i text messaged him when he asked me to come on his show. i said i am not doing that anymore because when you lie about me on your show your viewers follow up from those lies and they threaten my family. he knows the effects of his lice. i think he likes to do it. i think in a sick way he derives pleasure in knowing his viewers will aim their threats at lawmakers and whoever he's attacking that day. as someone who has been attacked and face death threats himself i wish he would understand that is no way to have a civil discourse in our country and it could lead to another day like january 6th at our capital or any other state capital across the country. >> most people in positions of sort of the privilege of having a voice view violence and political violence as a red line. do you think tucker carlson does? >> no, because he makes attacks,
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tells lies, incites his viewers, and he knows what they are capable of because so many of the people who attacked the capitol on january 6th were making the case that tucker carlson had been making on fox news, and that donald trump had been making, and the fbi affidavits -- so many of the insurrectionists were citing trump, and they were citing what they were hearing from fox news as the reason that they stormed the capitol and committed violence against officers. heent doesn't have to be the one who carries out the violence himself. he has powerful sway over so many millions of americans. if he is not responsible with that, we are going to see violence -- more violence, in our country. >> he does have a huge audience. just on the cable news side, it's impressive. but you are right about what he does with it. i guess my last question for you is when you text him, what does he write back? >> he didn't respond when i wrote bac i wasn't going to
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come on because of the lies that he told. nicole, he knows better. this is someone who i have watched since i was a student intern on capitol hill, when he was on crossfire. i would see him debate begala. he is someone of great intellect. he knows what he is doing. that's what makes it more disturbing, nothing has seemed to temper him or to reduce the vitriol that he puts out and collaterally or followed up and subsequently aimed at lawmakers. >> i want to turn to the vote yesterday. you tweeted, if you or i ignored a lawful subpoena we would go to jail. so should steve bannon. you also said, the justice department should act immediately. do you have confidence it will? >> i had a lot of confidence from attorney general garland's
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comments that he was going to look at the facts and the law in this case. if you look at the facts and law, it is clear. steve bannon has no reason not to come to congress. if anyone else in the country was given a lawful subpoena and not shown up they would be grabbed by a marshal and brought to court and be asked to explain why they think they are above the law. i assume if they follow the procedure that the attorney general laid out, then that will be the case for steve bannon. hopefully that's the last person who refuses to testify. but the commission is serious, if you have information and you are going to stonewall us we are going to come with you through lawful s&ps and we are going to press this with the attorney general and the department of justice and make sure we get to the bottom of what happened. >> obviously, you cannot overstate the importance of d.o.j.'s role here. i want to show some of your questioning of the attorney general and ask you for context on other side. >> again, without -- i don't want to make any discussion about any particular former president or anything else.
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the memorandum that you are talking about is limited to acts while another person was in office. that's all i can say. >> should that decision be made only after an investigation takes place, rather than deciding beforehand, a general principle of we're not going to investigate a former president at all? would you agree that if there are facts, those should be looked at? >> again, you are pushing me very close to a line that i do not intend to cross. we always look at the facts. and we always look at the law in any matter before making a determination. >> as a viewer, it sounded to me like you were asking him if the investigation into the insurrection leads him to donald trump's role, will he pursue the facts. was that the question? what did you understand the answer to be? >> yes, nicole. that and also the shakedown call to georgia to secretary of state raffensperger where he essentially pressed over and
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over that he needed to find the thousands of votes where he was short which i also think amounts to a federal crime. i was heartened to hear that the attorney general did say that he is prohibited from charging a president while they are in office. but he made the distinction that donald trump or any president, once they are out of office, could be investigated. we should assume -- if i hear any complaints from my constituents it is often about attorney general garland. what i tell them is that you should assume when he took office there was almost no investigations that had taken place into donald trump or those around him because bill barr protected him. all i ask, follow the facts, follow the law. if he has broken the law, he needs to be held to account. >> you are confident based on his responses, that that will be the case? >> yes. i can't say that that means donald trump is going to be
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indicted. i do think that justice garland recognizes that if donald trump broke the law and he can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt that that case would be coming. >> we will watch with you. congressman eric swalwell, please stay safe, thank you for spending time with us today. after break, breaking news, the texas abortion ban, the latest from the united states supreme court. that's next. s supreme court. that's next. three times the electorlytes and half the sugar. ♪♪ pedialyte powder packs. feel better fast. at vanguard, you're more than just an investor, you're an owner with access to financial advice, tools and a personalized plan
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breaking news today from the
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nights supreme court. the court, for the second time, has declined to block texas's near complete ban on abortion. in another unsigned order. supreme court justice sonja society my major slammed the court's decision writing in dissent, quote, by delaying any remedy, the court enabled continued and irreparable harm to women seeking abortion care and providers in texas exactly as architects intended. for the second time, the court declines to act immediately to protect these women from grave and rereparable harm. every day that. the court granted expedited review for the days, it is scheduled for november 1st. donna edwards is still with us. i want to read more from the dissent of justice society my
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major. her writing on this case in particular i think are sort the script for american women everywhere. here's what she writes. there are women in texas who became pregnant on or around the day that sb 8 took effects. as i write these words some of them do not know they are pregnant. when they find out should they wish to exercise their constitutional right to seek abortion care they will be unable to do so anywhere in their home state. those with sufficient resources may spend thousands of dollars and multiple day anxiously seeking care from out-of-state providers so overwhelmed with texas patients that they cannot adequately serve their own communities. those without the ability to make this journey, whether due to lack of money or child care or employment flexible or the myriad other constraints that shape people's day to day lives may be forced to carry to term against their wishes or resort to dangerous methods of self help. none of this is seriously in
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dispute. how is this the united states of america in 2021? >> i think that's what all of us are asking ourselves today. it is devastating. i agree with justice soto my major. it is devastating for citizens in the state of texas. it is also devastating for our constitution. we are a nation bound by rule of law. we have grown up assuming that constitutional protected health care is ours. it is devastating. >> i mean, donna, i am afraid to say what's in my brain. i am just going to do it. if the uterus were in a male's body i'm pretty sure we would get right to this and we
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wouldn't be waiting again, based on another unsigned order from the united states supreme court. >> i will put it more directly. we would actually never have gotten to this in the first place. one of the things that was striking to me in the justice's dissent that she pointed out that the equities bear in favor of women who are seeking an abortion -- their constitution right. we have to keep in mind that the status quo was not the texas law. the status quo was the ability of women to have an abortion previability as guaranteed by the constitution. the texas law upended that. and the supreme court ignored its own precedent in roe v wade and its progeny by siding with the texas law instead of looking at what would happen to women in the intervening time. the justice pointed out that --
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you know, that over the course of time a stay should have been admissible because it would mean otherwise that women would not get their protection. it would mean that the courts would have the time to sort it out if the stay were put in place. i agree that poor women, or a woman who is a victim of domestic violence who can't get away from her abuser and go to theory state to have an abortion. all of those women are at danger today. >> there are no protections of victims of rape or incest. certainly, some of them don't have the means to travel out of state. i want to play a bit of an interview with a woman in texas who has to travel to oklahoma. >> i'm not ready to have another
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kid. i have two other little ones that i take care of. other forms of birth control failed me. >> it scares me for other women. they are going to get desperate. they are going to do things that are not, you know, for their better health. they are going to look into illegal ways of getting abortions. i don't want to live in texas anymore. i feel like i can't make a decision for myself, for my body and my family. i feel like these decisions are being made for me --. and i feel like i'm trapped. >> that's the reality of it. it's happening right now. the court had a chance to stop that from happening to women in texas in america in 2021, and they didn't. i have the sense, from talking to people, if a teama, that there is not a lot of optimism that the court will rectify what they have allowed to happen to women in texas. >> i think the reason people are
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worried is they have allowed this law, this outrageous law, to go into effect in the first place. and they did so knowing that people were desperate, knowing the dramatic logistics of travel, the indignity of having to leave your state. i will say, the thing that i am holding out hope for with this law is the rule of law, is the way it looks for this supreme court to so flagrantly disregard precedent after precedent. so flagrantly disregard where the public is and what it will mean not just for abortion access but our ability to make decisions in our own lives. there is a lot at stake here. >> donna, when you look at this court and these justices, i mean their confirmation hearings are fresh enough that we all heard them say -- i should roll the tape of them, how they viewed roe as established law. what do you think that portends?
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what do you think we are facing? >> i think it is going to demonstrate that we may have had several people come before the united states supreme court, swear to tell the truth, and then disregard that truth as they sat on the bench. i heard that, too. i encourage you, nicole, roll the tape over and over again. because i think it is important for the american people to see that each of them said they would respect the precedent of roe v wade and the successive cases. clearly i feel that, you know, coming up on november and then hearing the mississippi case, that we are on a march toward undoing these 30-plus years of -- or 50 years of abortion protection. and so it is greatly troublesome. this is where i think the congress has to step in. congress needs to codify roe v
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wade. they just need to do it and put this to bed so that american women don't have to worry whether several justices on the supreme court are going to protect their constitutional rights. >> it is just unbelievable. unbelievable. we will stay on it. and i will roll that tape. i think -- i don't want to misspeak, but i think at least four or five of the conservative justices have said that before the senate in their confirmation hearings. we will do that. we will do that research. if a teama graves, donna edwards thank you for spending time with us. after the break, an update on the trammic, fatal shooting on alec baldwin's movie set. we will tell you the latest.
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deeply admired colleague of ours. i'm fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred and i'm in touch with her husband, offering my support to him and his family. my heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved halyna." tell us the latest. >> reporter: nicole, well, the "l.a. times" is also now reporting that the morning of the incident, a camera crew, a crew of employees, walked off the set, complaining of the working conditions at this site in new mexico. that's the newest information. we also know that the district attorney's office has said that the case is in its preliminary state of the investigation and they are assisting the santa fe county sheriff's office. they're in full support of them. they add, at this time, they don't know if charges will be filed. we know that hutchins' agent also said they hope this tragedy will reveal new lessons for how to better ensure the safety for
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every crew member onset. of course, the question now is what exactly was inside the prop gun. what happened when something was discharged and it took the life of the director of photography? >> when i saw this news break, i instantly jumped on to halyna hutchins' instagram account and i saw some of her last posts. they were of where she was. she posted about being on a shoot where she could ride a horse. what do we know about halyna's life? >> reporter: right, nicole, she shared this video where she was riding the horse, pointing out that working at this location, she'd be able to enjoy a day off. there's the video that we can see, and then that was -- that would be the last post she would share on social media so we know that she was originally from ukraine. she was born in ukraine when it was part of the soviet union and studied journalism. she was a journalist in europe,
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an investigative journalist, and moved to the united states where she studied cinematography here in los angeles and eventually became a director of photography. these are the details of her life as we learn more about her, her family. she was a mother. she was married. so, there's going to be a lot of family members, friends, and colleagues who will be mourning her loss as some hollywood celebrities are now reacting. joe was one on instagram, mourning her loss and sharing his thoughts on hutchins. >> for anyone who hasn't been on a movie set, what is a prop gun? what is it supposed to be able to do and not do? >> reporter: so, this is something that's being discussed, right, by experts, by legal analysts, what exactly is a prop gun. some have said that it can be a real gun that's used as a prop gun. it can be a gun that is also used just as a prop gun so this was something that experts will have to analyze. not only what is a prop gun but what was being used specifically
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on this set and what was inside the gun, what type of round? what we do know is that in the past, these accidents have happened. you know, 1993, bruce lee's son, brandon lee, also died from the discharge of a prop gun in hollywood, but the exact definition of what was being used, what was discharged, that will be something that the legal experts, the analysts, and of course the sheriff's office will have to look into. what we know is that this has happened in the past and now we have more and more celebrities and people that work in hollywood who are calling for a change, perhaps the use of some type of alternative. we did see that there was a director that tweeted this morning, saying we could use special effects instead of using guns onset, so there's a lot of discussion after this incident took place, which is not the first one. this is not the first time that someone dies on a movie set with a usable prop gun. >> unbelievably tragic. please come back if you get any developments in the next hour and five minutes. thank you so much for joining us
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whadda you guys doing out here? there's a creepy man cain a white mask.e. run, run! michael myers has haunted this town for forty years. if you track michael's victims, it's a straight line home. he's coming for me. we're coming for him. are you saying once you get this current agenda passed on spending and social programs, that you would be open to fundamentally altering the filibuster? or doing away with it? >> well, that remains to be seen. exactly what that means in terms of fundamentally altering it, whether or not we just end the filibuster, straight-up. >> when it comes to voting rights, just so i'm clear,
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though, you would entertain the notion of doing away with the filibuster on that one issue? is that correct? >> maybe more. >> and maybe other issues. [ applause ] >> hi again, it's 5:00 in new york. it was a moment last night for voting rights advocates and frankly anyone rooting for democracy to cheer. president biden there signaling a willingness to fundamentally alter the filibuster. filibuster, altering it, is now the only way that legislation like the freedom to vote act or the john lewis voting rights advancement act has any chance of passing and becoming law. as republicans continue their crusade against democracy, making it harder for those they don't want to vote to vote, by reforming election processes to make them more partisan and then by refusing to even have the debate in washington, democrats have no more time to waste. it's an assault on our democracy that president biden says he fully recognizes. here he is yesterday during a speech commemorating the tenth anniversary of the martin luther
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king jr. memorial. >> but look, this struggle is no longer just over who gets to vote. or making it easier for eligible people to vote. it's about who gets to count the votes. whether they should count at all. jim crow in the 21st century is now a sinister combination of voter suppression and election subversion. >> but his rhetoric has not been met with an equal level of action and urgency, according to voting rights advocates. from the "new york times," liberal activists have grown increasingly frustrated with mr. biden over the last few months as republicans use the filibuster to prevent action on major parts of the democratic agenda. they have accused the president and his allies in congress of being too passive by refusing to change the rules, which is what makes the president's comments on the filibuster last night all the more striking. president biden isn't even the last hurdle for democrats if they want to reform the filibuster. there are still some in their
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caucus, senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, who support the filibuster. and democrats need them on board if they're to reform it in any way. in a new opinion piece in the "washington post," greg sargent and paul waldman pose a question to joe manchin regarding his republican colleagues. they write this. "the freedom to vote act was for all intents and purposes manchin's own bill. he demanded the changes that made it less ambitious than the for the people act, championed by progressives. no republican voted for this. manchin is committed to voting rights legislation. he's also committed to the idea that it must be bipartisan. what will manchin do with what republicans themselves have told him about the prospects for said bipartisanship?" democrats' only option to safeguard our democracy, filibuster reform, is where we start this hour. eugene daniels is here, a white house reporter for politico, the coauthor of politico's play look and an msnbc contributor. also joining us, alecsy mchammond, msnbc contributor and
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the reverend al sharpton, host of "politics nation" and the president of the national action network. rev, because you and i have been having this conversation the longest out of all of our friends assembled, let me start with you and let me show you something that the president said that i feel like was directed straight to the issues i know you've been working on now for years. this is the president on voting rights and how it sort of got pushed aside. >> my greatest regret is i have -- i had these three major pieces of legislation that are going to change the circumstances for working class folks and african-americans that i've been busting my neck trying to pass. but what it's done is prevented me from getting deeply up to my ears, which i'm going to do once this is done in dealing with police brutality, dealing with the whole notion of what are we going to do about voting rights. it's the greatest assault on voting rights in the history of
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the united states, for real. since the civil war. >> so, not a iota of defensiveness there, a real acknowledgment, rev, that this has been maybe given short shrift in terms of the focus but a commitment to get on it. do we have time? >> well, i think we have to make time. first of all, we have been pushing both national action network and other civil rights groups that have been meeting with them, i even went to his speech in philadelphia where he came out strong about voting rights but didn't mention the filibuster. we've been pushing, saying he's got to deal with the filibuster. it won't happen without that. let's not forget, senator manchin met with some of us and said that he wanted to deal with it in a bipartisan way. he and seven senators met with chuck schumer, the majority leader, framed this bill that became freedom to vote act. he said to us, let me get republicans on it.
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i can craft a bill that they will go with. they didn't. the bill was presented this week. it didn't get one republican vote. so, i think that many of us and i'm guessing even the president said, okay, senator manchin, we went -- gave you the time, you did your bill, you couldn't get a republican. now it's time for even the president to say, we've got to deal with how we carve around the filibuster. and i think that the ammunition in terms of an argument that the president and those of us that have been pushing for the president and the senate can use now is we gave you your chance. you wanted to do your bill. we said, fine. go ahead and do your bill, senator manchin. we gave you the time. the republicans didn't give you one vote. so, now what is the excuse for him and sinema? >> i guess, one ex-republican here, i'm not sure you needed ammunition. these bills are fueled by lies. voter suppression laws, there
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are 400 of them, they're racing through 48 states, 33 have been signed into law. there was no fraud. so everything these lies purport to fix isn't real. it's like the -- >> no, we didn't need the ammunition. we didn't need the ammunition on the facts, clearly. that's why we've been marching and rallying. what we needed is to be able to retort what manchin and them were saying about, they wanted to do the bill in a way that would be bipartisan. they did the bill their way, and there was still no republicans that would go. that's what we're talking about, ammunition in the argument. clearly, we were dealing with a fraudulent claim from the beginning about there were fraudulent votes. that was absurd on its face. >> yeah, and i guess, eugene, i want to really get into this technically. here's jen psaki talking about filibuster reform today. >> what are some ways that the filibuster can be fundamentally altered? without ending it altogether? >> i think the president will
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have more to say about this in the coming weeks but i think what you heard him say last night is that we're at an inflection point, and a range of -- on a range of issues, including, and this is often why it comes up, voting rights. the protection of a fundamental -- the fundamental right to vote is something that has been bipartisan in the past. he spoke back in march about his concerns or how he would view it if the republicans continued to be obstructionist around it, and we've seen that time and time again. so, he will discuss what that looks like because not getting voting rights done is not an option. >> i want to eliminate any chance that anyone has any suspense. there will be no republican participation in the effort to protect the right to vote in the united states of america. we can just race to whatever happens next, eugene, and i wonder how these new comments, this new posture from the white house, the president and the press secretary, have landed today on capitol hill. >> yeah. i mean, it is a signal that for the first time, this white
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house, the president, they are ready and possibly willing to do the carveout that reverend sharpton has been asking this president to do. and i have asked about the filibuster many times in that room to jen psaki and this was the first time where they seemed so open to it. i know for, you know, people who have been watching this for a long time, already very frustrated about the lack of any carveout in the filibuster, that may not sound like a lot, but in d.c., a little bit of shift can give you a lot of change, and i think that is something that folks on the hill are thinking about too. the problem is, senators like sinema, senators like joe manchin, have for so long been saying that they are anti-any change to the filibuster. it's hard to see how they change on that. so, what that means is, the president is going to have to lean on them. the president is going to have to have as many meetings as he'd had on infrastructure and the reconciliation bill, bringing them to the white house and talking to them about this and
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that is something that looks like, based on what they're saying and based on the president himself, kind of talking about how they're going to get back to this after the budget reconciliation bill and infrastructure bills are passed, that that's something that's likely to happen. >> i want to show you, alexei, something that senator kirsten gillibrand said. >> you will have enormous struggle when you're in the minority and that is going to happen because you're never going to stay in the majority forever, but the truth is, all the bad things that we worry about that will happen to us when we're in the minority are actually happening now while we're in the majority. >> now, when i asked her, she made that case, which i thought was the most blunt and sort of real politic argument for doing away with the filibuster that i have heard certainly on this program and we talk about this every single day. when i asked her if she made that argument to joe manchin yet, she said, no, i'm waiting to get the domestic bills that the president talked about
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through first. joe manchin is not stupid. he obviously knows that's the case. is he movable? >> he's proven to be someone who follows his own lane regardless of where his party or even folks in his state are going. i joined this virtual press conference earlier today led by the poor people's campaign that had actual people from west virginia, poor and low income folks, voters, organizers, and the like who, you know, among other things, they were pushing joe manchin to support the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill, but at one point, one of the women speaking, just a constituent from west virginia, was urging joe manchin to support ending the filibuster, and it was just a reminder that, you know, folks across the country have at least some awareness of these procedural rules in congress, in the senate, that are preventing them, they feel like, from getting the help they need from their senators. there's a number of demonstrations being planned
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against senator manchin in his state this weekend by those same organizers but again, he's proven to stick with where he is, even when this is his own bill that's failing to get support from republicans and the only option remains the filibuster. and one thing i would say, nicole, is we could look to his colleague, senator john tester, from montana, a similarly red state, who has previously shifted his position on ending the filibuster from being against ending it to saying, look, we either get republicans on board or we need to reorder the way in which we do things. i'm curious whether those two are having conversations. >> yeah. that was an important -- let me read that quote. this is tester's quote that alexi is talking about. in the end, it's going to come down to getting republicans and restoring order. john tester of montana said in an interview, conceding that winning republican votes appeared unlikely. he said, i'm keeping it open about the possibility of revising the rules. senator angus king said on this program he had evolved on his views on the filibuster. kyrsten sinema -- i'm sorry,
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senator gillibrand obviously making that point that she knows the risk and that is what you hear on tv and off, frankly, from democrats, that it's such a threat. it's such a bulwark when you're in the minority but i want to read this analysis in the "boston globe" for you, eugene. nothing less than our democracy is on the line but biden is dithering under the false belief that he can find common ground with republicans. mcconnell is unequivocal. he doesn't want compromise. he wants capitulation. mcconnell excels at keeping his minions in line. that myth should be buried. what this nation really needs now is one courageous democratic president willing to defy mcconnell and aif democracy. where do you put the odds of that? >> yeah, i mean, high, based on what the president said, you know, yesterday. and what jen psaki said today. it seems like for me, this was about prioritization. you know what i mean? making sure that they get some big things done that affect a
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lot of americans, something that they could run on in 2022. and that is the infrastructure bill. that is the reconciliation bill. and to get to voting rights after. whether or not that was the, you know, the smartest strategy based on how much blowback they've been getting from advocates and activists and civil rights leaders, you know, i'll let someone else make a judgment about that. but it does tell you this is something they want to get to now, and i think this is a president who has talked about having the backs of black people and knowing that they sent him to the white house. and he wants to make sure that he keeps that together and anyone you talk to in his white house says that's really important to him. now, people are saying, advocates are saying, he has to put up, and that is the -- that's what we're going to see if that actually happens. >> you know, i was on campaigns so long ago, i don't know if any of the sort of edicts from them still apply, but rev, ken medicalman, bush's campaign
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manager in 2004, had this simple cliche that good policy is good politics. i mean, protecting voting rights is far beyond good policy. it's a good democratic norm. the republican heard has turned into an anti-democratic movement. these bills are anti-democratic. they are fraudulently getting rid of secure ways to vote in texas. drive-thru voting was the most secure way to vote because you had to show your driver's license. there's something so sinister that needs to be protected here and i wonder if you think it's a political miscalculation to let this wait. >> i think it is a political miscalculation, and we've been saying that for months. that you need to go with voting rights first and foremost. they are blatantly and wickedly changing voting restrictions in states all over the country, but
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having said that, when you have a manchin that sinema saying, well, we just want to get some bipartisan, you do not want them to use you as the backboard to score for the republicans. we want to put the pressure on them until they came with their bill and now it is proven they can't get republicans. so, now, it's time for us to say to the white house, which it seems like for the first time the white house is saying, you've appeared as reasonable as you want to unreasonable people. we told you they were unreasonable. now the vote is going down. there's no excuse not to come with a carveout and pass voting rights because you can no longer say, well, manchin and them want room and time to do bipartisan. we understand, reverend al, but we've got to deal with manchin. well, now, manchin came empty-handed. let's go forward. and the fact the president and psaki said what they said today was the first time they went that far. we've got to press harder to get
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carveout because at the end of the day, this is not about playing a political game or punditry. people are being denied the vote that people shed their blood and died for. i take this as seriously as i take the breath i'm breathing, and one way or another, we have to get this done, and we will not stop until we get it done. so, it's good to hear that they are moving rhetorically that way, but it's not enough until we get it done. we need a carveout on the filibuster and protect voting rights for people in this country, full stop. nothing short of that will satisfy us. >> what i have always found so stunning, and the reason we start with this story more days than not, alexi, is because republicans always viewed it as existential. they viewed it the same way mitch mcconnell carved out judges from the filibuster. because he views judges as existential and here we are on the precipice of overturning roe vs. wade in the united states of america. republicans view this push,
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predicated on the lie about fraud, to limit the way that people, largely in communities of color, can vote and to rig the people who count the vote as existential to their ability to survive as a political party. that is the whole ball game to republicans and so far, democrats have not viewed it based on their actions as existential to their survival. when you add your reporting, alexi, put those things together and i don't know how they can't. you write, a progressive group warns democrats they're facing a double threat heading into the midterms. voters of color aren't supporting democratic candidates at the same rates and the republican party is inspiring first-time voters of color to turn out and support it instead. these trends demonstrate the urgent need for campaigns and independent groups to stop assuming voters of color will vote democrat. talk about all of these pressures on democrats. >> yeah, there's so much to say,
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nicole. your point about the republican party first is a good one and a point well taken because at the same time democrats on capitol hill are calling for bipartisanship, republicans, as you know well, across the country, are moving against voting rights and voting access in an incredibly partisan way that democrats are now playing catch-up with. the other thing is that reporting you just cited is true. there are democrats and progressive groups and others warning that the trends and analyses that they saw from the 2020 election with respect to voters of color not showing up for democrats in the same way they have since the 2016 election, and the republican party inspiring first-time voters of color to show up and support them instead, is concerning for the party. you hear the party -- i mean, i can't talk to democratic operatives or strategists still without scratching their heads act what they're going to do about black male voters. i'm sure the rev knows those conversations very well and i'm sure they're conversations he's been having for quite a long time and that is part of the problem that democrats in charge of campaigns are still facing.
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they're having this same conversation about voters of color over and over again, cycle and cycle again, while republicans are opening new voting centers in south texas to try to, you know, encourage and increase these gains they saw with latino voters in those areas. meanwhile, democrats are still reluctant to spend the tens of millions of dollars that activists and operatives are telling them they need to spend to be competitive in a place like texas, to continue to be competitive in places like georgia, arizona, ohio, even. so, i hear a lot of frustration from a lot of the activists. i see the rev shaking his head. i'm sure he's having these conversations still, and you know, it's something that democrats are going to have to figure out because republicans are figuring out different ways to get new voters to show up in a way that the party isn't. >> rev, your reaction. >> she's absolutely right. when you do not deal with people's interests, people then are available to try options that may not even make sense but
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they are tired of being taken for granted. when you cannot look at the right to vote, when you cannot deal with the criminal justice and police reform, in the age of george floyd, and when we are now getting ready to select when the process of selecting a jury with ahmaud arbery, what do you think black men are going to do? we're seeing black men killed, and we were told that we are going to deal with this legislatively, and it is not happening. so, it is absolutely frustrating at best, insulting at worst, in fact, and those are the conversations that are being had, which is why the democrats need to stop taking this for granted, because in order to turn people out, you have to turn them on. right now, many are being turned off. >> yeah, and you know, you dig in a little bit on the abortion issue, not just in texas but coast to coast, and justice sotomayor writes it today, women of means will be able to travel.
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oftentimes the women who are not of those means to travel tend to be disproportionately poor women and they tend to often be women in communities of color so you're right about turning people on, making them feel like you're fighting. really important conversation. thank you so much, alexi mckamd and the reverend al sharpton. eugene daniels is sticking around. when we come back, from suppressing the vote to controlling the vote count, texas governor greg abbott did it again, installed a lawyer who tried to overturn the last election. he's now in charge of overseeing the next one. that reporting is next. plus, two officers entered in the capitol insurrection speak out about their trauma, trauma they're still living with, and the dangers they see for the country nearly ten months after the deadly january 6th insurrection. and the premier of a brand-new documentary that examines how race, tradition, and geography are dividing how americans learn about and view the civil war and how that divide is playing out in schools and state houses all across this country right now.
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in texas, the big lie was just promoted again. this time, to acting secretary of state. republican governor greg abbott has appointed john scott. john scott represented the disgraced twice-impeached ex-president in a lawsuit against pennsylvania's 2020 election result to the state's top elections role. a full legislative confirmation vote won't happen for him until 2023, but scott will oversee the state's critical 2022 elections, including abbott's own race.
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this from the "washington post" on abbott's praising of scott's experience, the statement made no mention of scott's role in perpetuating trump's baseless claims that widespread voter fraud rigged the 2020 election for president biden. dozens of courts nationwide rejected the various lawsuits but the trump-appointed judge in pennsylvania roundly rejected the campaign's challenge. joining us now is texas state representative jasmine crockett and eugene daniels is still with us. representative crockett, here's my question. i mean, in michigan, lawyers who were involved in the big lie have been harshly criticized. in pennsylvania, they're looking at sanctions for lawyers involved in the big lie. how do you put someone in charge of state's elections who did something that was not just laughed out of court but potentially unethical? >> i mean, it's typical for texas, right? >> i guess. >> i mean, right now, it's --
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right now, it's interesting because it seems like everything that we do is about pleasing trump. trump is not on the ballot but when i tell you that his influence is all throughout the halls of the capitol, that would be an understatement. they're also throughout the governor's mansion, obviously. and so, anything that he can do that would keep, i guess, trump at bay and make sure that trump doesn't endorse one of his opponents, that's what he's doing. he's doing any and everything that he can to please the former disgraced president. >> you know, i'm thinking about other people who were purveyors of the big lie, the woman who was next to rudy, what's her name? sidney powell is being sued for a billion dollars. rudy is being sued for a billion dollars. but in texas, you don't get sued, you get promoted to run the state's elections. representative crockett, is there a point where they can go too far or they can sort of strain their credibility even with some people that vote for
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them? or is there -- should we stop looking for the bottom? >> there is no bottom. and it's sad to say that, because we are in a critical place in texas, and texas is great. you know, i kind of feel bad that the only time we're talking about texas is we're talking about the terrible sides of texas, but let me tell you. it's this -- this many people that we're talking about. we're not talking about the vast majority of texans and that's why they wanted to make sure that the vast majority of texans couldn't participate. i had a precinct chair call me and say she's calling around to everyone and saying, make sure that you are actually on the rolls because the governor decided to put this guy that was going after the big lie for trump over our elections. so, she's like, i have a feeling that they're going to try to purge as many of us as they can, especially the black people and so i'm calling people now. that is so sad. like, people shouldn't feel that way about their elections, not in this country.
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>> yeah, eugene, texas is not all one thing. no place is all one thing. i've spent a lot of time in texas. texas is wonderful. but its republican politicians are frankenstein. they have been assembled by the worst and darkest elements, the most extremist policies, they're being passed, the voter suppression, the covid policies, the abortion law. what is texas to the national republican party? >> yeah, i mean, it's all basically the same, right? there used to be a time where local elected officials, state elected officials sometimes were doing something different than the federal elected officials, and now, what you're seeing, especially on the republican side, is that there are all these litmus tests, and the biggest one is that you have to believe, if you're in the republican party, and want to not be kicked out of the republican party, or laughed out of the republican party, you have to believe that the election was stolen, which we
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should say every single time we talk about that, it was not. and that is what happens when a party is run at the whims of one person. there isn't space for disagreement. there isn't space for different conversations and conversations about policy, because what we're seeing in texas is that, one, the governor has said that the election -- there wasn't widespread voter fraud in the election in 2020, that it was a safe and secure election. and yet, you're changing laws. you're putting people in place who spread a lie about the election. so, what does that tell voters, but most importantly, what does it tell donald trump? that you have his back and that he is going to come and support you and he's not going to say mean things about you and that is where a lot of elected officials in the republican party are still today. >> jasmine, i want to get your reaction to something that probably to you isn't surprising but the united states supreme court today passed up an
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opportunity to stay the near total ban on abortion. what are you looking toward they will hear arguments in november? >> it's sad that literally i have to laugh to keep from crying. and so, what i am looking forward to is for aggression out of our u.s. senate. we've got to expand the court and we've got to get rid of the filibuster. these are the only ways that we're going to start to have some semblance of normalcy in this country. the fact that the supreme court is acting like this is an issue that we need to vacillate over, that they're acting like roe v. wade didn't take place before i was ever born, that is a problem. and so, the fact that seemingly this court is trying to figure out how it is that they're going to justify and allow this to truly take place, because they've already allowed this law to take effect and right now, we're seeing the terrible ramifications of that.
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i appreciate the dissent in this particular matter on that specific issue. the harm is already being inflicted, not only on texans but on other states, and the women in those other states because now they are completely overrun with people that are in need of services out of the state of texas, but we're not even talking about the people in the state of texas that just can't access those services, and so the harm is being suffered and the fact that the highest court in our land supposedly the most prestigious court of our land has decided that they're just going to act like roe v. wade doesn't exist, that's how i feel right now, and so i think that we really need to impress upon the u.s. senate to, number one, expand the court, which i don't know where the president stands on that, and we also need to make sure we get rid of the filibuster because we have shown to sinema and to manchin that if we don't get rid of the filibuster, we're going to be stuck with these terrible laws. >> yeah. justice sotomayor's dissent making a lot of those arguments as well and what's so
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interesting, listening to you, representative crockett, is that the extreme nature of the republicans are almost putting some of those measures in the center where they used to be sort of, you know, viewed as extremely progressive and outside the box. we'll see. we'll stay on it. texas state representative jasmine crockett and our good friend, eugene daniels, thank you so much for spending time with us. when we come back, the pain and trauma still being felt by police officers almost a year now after the capitol insurrection. we'll hear it from two officers who were badly injured on that day. they are both sounding the alarm for our country and our democracy. we'll show you next. y and our democracy. we'll show you next. electric ca. it's a sunny day. nah, a stormy day. classical music plays. um uh, brass band, new orleans. ♪ ♪ she drives hands free... along the coast. make it palm springs. ♪ cadillac is going electric.
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i'm coming at this from a law enforcement perspective. we serve subpoenas pretty frequently. we certainly don't need to take a vote of, like, the entire, i don't know, d.c. u.s. attorney's office or the metropolitan police department to come to the conclusion that a subpoena needs to be enforced. i mean, i feel bad for the members of the committee that have to go through this kind of circus just to enforce a subpoena. >> circus is one for it. that was d.c. metro police officer michael fanone on chris hayes's program last night speaking about congress's vote to hold steve bannon in contempt of congress and ask the
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department of justice to prosecute bannon for his refusal to cooperate with the january 6th investigation, a vote which largely went down with nine exceptions among party lines yesterday. fanone, one of the officers brutally attacked on january 6th, has been forced to wade into this political fight, testifying before congress before the 1/6 committee about his experiences that day, something he thinks is unfortunate for those in his line of work. take a listen. >> i don't want police officers to be politicized. none of us do. law enforcement does not want to be politicized. unfortunately, you know, we've been pulled into the political arena over the past, i don't know, eight, ten years, and it's been, you know, detrimental to our effectiveness and our ability to do our jobs.
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>> let's bring into our conversation, nbc 4 washington investigative reporter scott mcfarland. we're going to get to your interview with officer gonell but i want to talk about officer fanone. it was a fantastic interview with my colleague, chris hayes. officer fanone, not a political person, but someone who is incapable of accepting the lies being shoveled into the discourse by republicans. and those comments, i mean, the frankly revelatory, that law enforcement doesn't belong in the political conversation, but that they have to be there. this is your beat. you cover them. probably wasn't a shock for you to hear that. >> no, especially here, nicole, where police specifically and deliberately do not align themselves politically. they have to defend 535 voting members of the u.s. congress without passion or prejudice, but they're also not politically
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ignorant. they recognize they're still operating politically in a tinderbox in the capitol where risks remain, where the risk of attack remains, it's worth noting january 6th was far and away the largest but just the first major security incident on the capitol grounds this year. another officer died in an attack in april. and my latest reporting, nicole, as of a few weeks ago, at least ten u.s. capitol police officers are still off the job with injuries sustained in january, and between 75% and 100% had either quit or retired since january. there's a concern, clearly, that that risk remains and more attrition is to come. >> and i know you sat down with officer gonell and let me show our viewers some more of your interview. >> i'm not doing this for notoriety or popularity. i'm doing this because i feel very strongly that this country, it is about -- since donald
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trump became a candidate. all the institutions and norms have been diminished because of what he had done. there's not a single institution of the u.s. government that he has not touched in a way that -- to diminish their credibility, to diminish their role, to disparage them in a way that would sow division or sow doubt into the system. >> i've watched that a couple times. we played some of it yesterday too. there's a direct line between what jim comey experienced because of donald trump and what sergeant gonell experienced because of donald trump. >> the officers don't like what donald trump posted earlier this week, saying the real insurrection was on november 3rd. but the officers are also
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concerned that there's not enough of a deterrent coming out of the courthouse, nicole, that in some of these low-level plea agreements that have been adjudicated from january 6th, the defendants are getting out of sentencing with home detention or probation and it's not just the officers. late today, a gripping moment in court when a federal judge said he's concerned there's not enough deterrents, a message being sent. the judge said if people were gullible enough to fall for the election lies that preceded the insurrection, they're gullible enough to do something again, and he said, pretty powerful here, that it's ripping the heart out of the country. we are dividing our nation as we go through the january 6th prosecutions and as we continue to hear the drum beat of the election denialism, nicole. >> it's unbelievable. we're so lucky that you stay on this day in and day out. nbc 4's scott macfarlane, thank you so much for joining us today. when we come back, how the civil war and the deepening divide over how americans view it is driving us even further apart.
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so, that has kept it alive. we have never solved the core problem of the civil war. >> wow, that is the central thesis for a masterful new documentary called "civil war." it's an examination of the way we americans tell the story of that conflict and how that story changes depending who you are and where you are. it's a thought. >>-provoking and unfortunately necessary bit of journalism, a peacock film executive produced by brad pitt and henry louis gates jr. joining us for the conversation, eddie glaude. msnbc political analyst. i cannot listen to any of these interviews without feeling haunted and crushed by the insurrection and the story that is being told by the republican party about that conflict. >> well, it makes sense, nicole,
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because in some ways, it's an echo of our past. when we think about the civil war, we think about radical reconstruction, we think about how it collapsed, the violence that was necessary for it to collapse, the stories that were told around it, the insistence on the part of some that our nation must remain a white nation in the vein of old europe. so, stop the steal is the -- was the mantra of january 6th. in some ways, the lost cause was its parent or grandparents. >> let me show you another clip from it. this is texas principal fighting for his job as these issues sort of take over his school. >> since the '60s, i have been proving myself, and there comes a point in life when you say, i'm done. it's on them now. because i know i'm okay. so, the way i look at it is your loss.
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i don't intend to spend all of my life proving to white people that i'm okay. >> eddie, that was not the one i was talking about, but that one, pretty powerful. >> yeah. it's an extraordinary moment. when we think about the country, post the civil war, post the civil rights movement, we didn't do the work of stitching together unified fabric of american society. instead, politicians and actually everyday people exploited their fears and deepened their hatred. there's an intimacy here, and one has to ask the question, over and over again, why do we need these categories, nicole? i've never thought of myself, to echo james baldwin here, i've never thought of myself as the n-word. the question is, why did you need it in the first place? why do we need the terrorists? why do we need the illegal immigrant? why do we need these designated others in order to consolidate
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our identity as americans because it seems to me it sets the stage for just one hard tug and the stitching, the seams come apart and we find ourselves at each other's throats to mix my metaphors. >> that's the conversation we have day in and day out. i want to play one more piece of sound play one more piece of sound. this is dr. david blight. >> we never really had a racial reckoning. the problem started immediately after the war. if you want the south to get together again, they don't talk about causes and consequences but the mutual valor on the battlefield. >> that shook me, hearing that. reunion required the erasure of us. van woodward there the old
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historian said black folks stood to gain theory rights through the falling out of white men and then lose it to reconciliation of white men. you think about the violence that happened. clinton mississippi, thousands of black republicans and their families gathered talking about running for political office and then suddenly attacked by white democrats. and then for days, murder and mayhem and the history then is written that black people rioted. this is before the massacre of 1898 in wilmington where you had a coup, red shirts took over governments in the name of this is our america, right? we haven't told our story because we want to stay in the law. it's almost like eugene o'neal's ice man cometh, we want our illusion, straight no chaser. this documentary is so important at this moment. i'm sorry. >> no, that was my question.
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put the importance of the documentary and your honest asesment of it in this moment. >> people understand that every time we try to grapple with the contradiction at the heart of the country, there's a reassertion of the idea that white people ought to be valued more than others. there's a reassertion that we are late comers or objects of charity, that we are the benefits of the charity, of the real americans. and so in this moment when we're trying to grapple with our past, it requires a reassertion that we must erase this if we're going to maintain a semblance of unity. black folks have disappeared. that seems to be the cost for a certain kind of america, nicole. >> thank you so much for spending time with us to talk about this. we can all watch premiere of
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