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college, and even listening to him in september about history and history making background, that was so inspirational. because it goes to show that it is possible. >> a senior studying climate policy. >> it's about colin powell's legacy. he wants his legacy to be inherited the our generation, and i think it's our task to pass it forward to our children and grandchildren. >> carrying that legacy, a future lawyer, diplomat, policy maker, and military officer. >> and that indeed was his greatest legacy. thank you. this is andrea mitchell reports. "mtp daily "starts right now. if it's friday, the white house tries to get back on track after falling poll numbers and party disagreements over
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president biden's agenda. we'll have the latest from the white house. plus we'll go one on one with adam schiff after the house votes to hold steve bannon in contempt after defying demands for documents and testimony. an update on a bizarre and tragic story from new mexico after alec baldwin discharged a prop firearm on a movie set killing one crew member and injuring another. what he's saying about the incident, ahead. welcome to account meet the press daily. we start this hour with the two stories consuming capitol hill right now. one, the ever evolving talks over president biden's ambitious domestic agenda. the other, the investigation into what led to the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol. negotiators are continuing to
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progress on the president's social spending package with both house speaker nancy pelosi and senator chuck schumer expressing optimism that a deal could soon be reached. pelosi had breakfast at the white house this morning with schumer joining shirtly. pelosi set an october 31st deadline for passing the trillion dollar infrastructure deal already passed in the senate. biden himself predicted a victory during a cnn town hall last night. we're down to four or five issues which i'm not going to negotiate on national television, as you might guess. >> we'd be interested in hearing them, if you want. >> i know. but all kidding aside, i think we can get there. the president also addressed concerns over senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema who continue to push back against progressive elements, as well as how to pay for the deal. >> joe is not a bad guy. he's a friend, and he's always at the end of the day come
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around and voted. she's very supportive of the environmental agenda in my legislation. very supportive. she's supportive of almost all the things i mentioned related to everything from a family care to all those issues. where she's not supportive is she says she will not raise a single penny in taxes on the corporate side and/or on wealthy people. period. >> that might be an oversimplification of senator sinema's position, but it speaks to the level of frustration felt by some democrats. as they await a potential deal on biden's domestic agenda, democrats are awaiting word from the justice department on whether trump confidant steve bannon will be prosecuted for failing to cooperate with the january 6th th committee. the house voted yesterday to confer the contempt of congress resolution to the doj. nine republicans voted with every democrat in favor of that resolution. in a moment, i'll be joined by january 6th committee member
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congressman adam schiff, but first, let's go to peter alexander and ali va tally. you have the majority leader telling house members they're going to aim to vote on both the social spending bill and the infrastructure bill next week. the house speaker told reporters everybody is on the path in an agreement toward reconciliation. but senator manchin is saying an agreement isn't going to happen any time soon. give us a level set. there's lots of momentum and optimism. where are we really in this process? >> there is both all of the momentum and also none of the momentum to get this done on a truncated timeline. it's sort of the way it's been playing out over the course of the last few weeks. everyone agrees they would like to see a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill as soon as possible. the mechanism to get there has always been for progressives and the white house to move forward on this larger social spending package. it feels like in the last few
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days we've seen more progress on that. and it really was underscored last night when we saw the president very sus sirchgtly lay out what's in the bill and out of the bill. where senator joe manchin stands, where kyrsten sinema stands. that's been nebulous to a lot of lawmakers on the hill. they feel like they haven't been clear on where the two key senators stand. the president laying it out. we can see if we look at what's in and out where the contours of the deal could come together. it's clearer now than it's ever been when you look at things like federal paid leave being tacked down from 12 weeks to four weeks. universal pre-k still in that bill. the child tax credit, al bee it only for a one-year extension which has drawn the ire of some who wanted to see it pulled out for a longer period of time. we're starting to see some of the concessions that could be made for things that aren't krntly in the bill. you see possible $800 vouchers for a hearing.
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that's because medicare expansion on hearing, dental and vision likely aren't going to be in this reconciliation bill. you heard the president last night talk about increases to pell grants because free community college has fallen out of the reconciliation negotiations. the president last night saying expanding pell grants isn't going to get you the whole way there in the way free community college would have, but it at least gets you closer. you also see here the clean electricity performance program. president biden says that's still in, but senator joe manchin has said it has fallen out. it sort of depends which joe you want to take the word of on that one. and then, of course, tax rate hikes on corporations. kyrsten sinema said she doesn't want to see rates hiked on corporations or wealthy individuals. these are the contours of what we're dealing with. it's important as we move forward on whatever timeline happens on the hill, the way that anderson cooper consistently last night talked about senator joe manchin and
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senator kyrsten sinema, they've been central so our conversation, but the fact that the president spent so much time responding to what their demands could be and are underscores what he said. in a senate where margins this close, everyone can be a president. >> it was a really revealing line delivered by the president there last night. so peter, i was talking to a member of congress who has been in direct talks with president biden. this person told me that the president made clear to them that he would like to have an agreement before he heads off to this global climate summit in glasgow next week. help us understand the political pressure created by the calendar. you have the climate summit and also a big gubernatorial race. >> reporter: you're right. he said to democrats, get something done. he's over this political death march as he describes it where one is up and another is down, manchin, sinema, and the rest. he says most americans and
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certainly democrats want to see progress. the white house agrees with that. they know there is a timeline even if they don't want to give one specifically. we've heard the language change here in the last week. aides saying that the timetable for this is not unlimited. it's not limitless. they want to get it done before that crucial vote to take place in virginia which is a pretty good arbiter of where things are and gives you a heads up of where the midterm may go. the president recognizes that and we did hear from nancy pelosi. that's why she said after the meeting she and chuck schumer had with the president that she was optimistic. she said that on the environmental said things were resolved. he said in terms of health care, there were still a couple outstanding issues. but the bottom line for democrats is that at the end of the day, this is what's going to define the president's certainly his first two years in office. can he take real action on these issues which was the point behind the effort last night. to make it less about that top line number and more about
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what's in there. which is why pelosi today said no matter where the number ends up, it will be bigger than anything we've ever done for the american people. to get to the message, they have to get something done. >> absolutely. thank you so much. as we mentioned at the top of the show, the justice department is deciding whether to prosecute steve bannon after they voted to refer a contempt of congress -- he refused to cooperate with the january 6th committee despite being subpoenaed. he's citing executive privilege. with us -- first impeachment trial. he's also the author of "midnight in washington". how we almost lost our democracy and still could. we're told congress's criminal contempt referral of steve bannon was accepted by the u.s.
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attorney's office in d.c. yesterday evening around 5:30. now the ball is in merrick garland's court. what's your expectation for how quickly the doj will move on this? >> it's my hope and expectation they will move quickly. that they understand the urgency here. and i think there are good signs in what the justice department did with respect to some of the witnesses we wanted to talk to. a former top ranking justice officials. they did not assert executive privilege. they did not assert any kind of work product privilege. and made it clear that they view the public interest in getting all the facts out about that violent attack on our democracy to be paramount. i think that same logic ought to apply here. so it's our hope, it's our expectation, that they will move quickly. >> i want to play for our viewers something that congresswoman liz cheney, the top republican on the january 6th committee, something she said on the house floor yesterday as she explained why steve bannon's testimony in her view is so critical.
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look at this. >> mr. bannon's own public statements make clear he knew what was going to happen before it did. and thus, he must have been aware of and may well have been involved in the planning of everything that played out on that day. the american people deserve to know what he knew and what he did. >> my question is how much of what steve bannon knew is really a proxy for what donald trump knew? and can you get that information from other witnesses if executive privilege is tied up in the courts? >> well, first of all, we think that steve bannon clearly has relevant information. he was reportedly in conversation with the president. he did apparently predict that they would be all hell breaking lose on january 6th as it turned out all hell would break lose. whatever insights are only a
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subset of the information about the president's conduct in the days leading up to that, and including on january 6th. so he certainly is not the sole source of information about what took place. and we are approaching others that can share information about that. but i will say this also. his executive privilege claims are very remote and improbable of any success. what's more, he failed to show up, and that's not an executive privilege issue. that's a claim of absolute immunity, and no one enjoys absolute immunity. it's a very strong case to prosecute. and we certainly hope the justice department will soon. >> on the standing that he may or may not have when it comes to executive privilege, chuck rosenberg, a friend of this show, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of virginia guided our team to a 2007 office of the legal council opinion that potentially could pave the
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way for an executive privilege argument for bannon. i'm going to read some of it to you. it says the communications involve individuals outside the executive branch does not undermine the president's confidentially interest. it occurred with the understanding they would be held in confidence and related to u.s. attorney replacements or responding to inquiries about the u.s. attorney general matter. this is a specific issue relating to 2007. this idea that the subject didn't necessarily have to be a part of the executive branch which bannon certainly wasn't at the time. is that in any way a complicating factor? >> no, i don't think so at all. that olc opinion, of course, is not binding on the current justice department. and as far as i'm aware, no court has ever held executive privilege to apply to a presidential communication with someone who is not even in the administration. even people who are in the administration, it generally doesn't apply unless they're a
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top ranking official. and even then when it does apply, it gives way in cases of extreme public interest. it's hard to imagine a more extreme public interest than an attack on the capitol on the seat of our democracy. steve bannon's claims are going to fail. they will fail. but the whole point is to delay. and this is why the criminal prosecution is so important. donald trump for four years did everything he could to stone wall all the subpoenas and delay. this is merely a continuation of that effort. but they can't have the same success in terms of stone walling when it comes to a prosecution, and that's why our hope and expectation as i mentioned is that the department will pursue it and be vigor. >> i want to ask about the other trump loyalists whom the committee says are cooperating. that's mark meadows and cash pa tell. when the committee says these gentleman are engaging with the committee, what does that mean exactly? what level of engagement?
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>> well, it really differs with each of the witnesses that we have subpoenaed. and i can't go into the particulars. but i can tell you that we're determined to secure their testimony if we reach the point with any of them where we don't think they're negotiating in got faith, that they're trying to run the clock, we'll pursue the same path we did with steve bannon, but if we can get to yes, and i think with some there is certainly the prospect that we will, that's our preferred course, but we will only wait so long. >> congressman adam schiff, thank you for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next, an update on the tragic fatal movie set shooting as actor alec baldwin's now responding to his firing of a prop firearm that resulted in the death of one crew member and the hospitalization of another. later, big news from the cdc as the agency expands eligibility for americans looking to get a covid booster.
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welcome back. tragedy struck a film set in new mexico yesterday after actor alec baldwin discharged a prop gun killing the film's director of photography and injuring the director. the santa fe police confirmed halyna hutchins was killed in the accident. a spokesperson for the other director confirmed he's out out hospital after receiving emergency treatment. it's unclear how the incident unfolded. a statement from baldwin's spokesperson called the shooting an accident, and a quote, misfire of a prop gun with blanks. baldwin commented on the incident and the death for the first time in twitter. there are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of halyna hutchins, a wife,
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mother and deeply admired colleague of ours. i am in touch with her husband, offering my support to him and his family. my heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved halyna. the police investigation is ongoing. for more on the story, we have joined. what do you know about the circumstances surrounding this tragedy. >> reporter: the details have not been revealed. we have a statement from the district attorney that says the case is under preliminary investigation. they're assisting the santa fe office. in that statement they note at this time they don't know if charges will be filed. now, ha lay in a's agent also sent a statement today.
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they sent everybody, saying the artists are heart broken and they hope the tragedy will reveal how to better ensure safety for every crew member onset. now, we know from the website she was originally from ukraine where she studied journalism. she worked as an investigative journal ift in europe before coming to the united states where she eventually studied at the american film institute here in los angeles. and eventually became a director of photography. also from her social media, we know she had just shared a video on her instagram page just days ago riding horses on the ranch, saying how happy she was to be shooting at this location because she was able to ride a horse on her day off, and you could just see how much she was enjoying the shooting of this film. now the details as to what happened exactly in this incident like i said, have not been shared. we know the sheriff's office is now involved and like we
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mentioned, the district attorney is assisting them. >> yeah. just a tragic case. thank you so much for that live update. up next, with the gop's efforts to undermine democracy looming over washington, i'll speak with barbara lee, the former chair of the congressional black caucus about the future of voting rights, reform on the hill. that's next. you're watching "meet the press daily". "meet the press daily" berty mutual knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. [ ferry horn honks ] i mean just cause you look like someone else doesn't mean you eat off the floor, [ chuckles ] or yell at the vacuum, or need flea medication. oh, yeah. that's the spot. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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prekars position. earlier this week gop senators filibustered the democrat's freedom to vote act leaving the future of the bill up in the air. chuck schumer plans to bring democrats' other voting rights bill, the john lewis voting rights bill to the floor. right now lisa murkowski is the only one who supports it. biden is being criticized for letting it take over voting rights. in a cnn town hall last night, the president agreed with his critics. >> i tell you what my greatest regret is. my greatest regret is i have these -- had these three major pieces of legislation that are going to change the circumstances for working class folks and african americans as well, that i'm busting my neck trying to pass.
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but what is done has prevented me from getting up to my ears which i'm going to do once this is done in dealing with police brutality, dealing with a notion of what are we going to do about voting rights? it's the greatest assault on voting rights in the history of the united states for real, since the civil war. for more on voting rights and the fight over the biden agenda, i'm joined by the democratic congresswoman from california nvm thank you for being with us. i want to start with your reaction to president biden basically saying his focus on securing congressional democratic support for his economic agenda really distracted him from pursuing voting rights legislation and police reform. this is something that his supporters who have been critical of his approach to voting rights have been saying for months. >> yes. and i think my first reaction is this president is very honest. and he has a lot of integrity. secondly, we've been working on this in congress in terms of the
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freedom -- i call it the right, but it's been changed to the freedom to vote act as well as the john lewis voting rights advancement act. that's not to say -- i mean, his message was very clear. but believe you me, the house and the senate have been working very hard on these bills. and the president has been juggling a lot. he's building back better on a lot of fronts. and so he was very candid and honest last night on a variety of issues that this is one that he told the truth. but haven't said that. let me say he also talked about the filibuster. and how we're going to get there, and that's the path we've been trying to figure out, especially in the senate for months now. so i think you're going to see all hands on deck, but just know that a lot of work has been put into this up to now to get it positioned and ready for the president to weigh in. >> yeah. let's play that sound for viewers who might not have seen the town hall. the president talking about how he's open to scrapping or
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amending the fill buster if that's what it makes to enact voting rights. >> that remains to be seen. exactly what that means in terms of fundamentally altering it, whether or not we end the filibuster straight up. there are certain things that are just sacred rights. one is a sacred obligation that we never are going to renig on a debt. we're the only nation in the world. we have never, ever reniged on a single debt. >> when it comes to voting rights. >> it's consequence shl. >> when it comes to voting rights, so i'm clear, you would entertain doing away with the filibuster on that one issue? >> and maybe more. >> so if it's not amending the filibuster, are there any other strategies democrats are considering right now to make an end run around the republican obstruction when it comes to voting rights? might it be having to break out specific elements of the freedom to vote act and trying to pass them one by one? >> well, right now you see what
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happened with the republicans not even allowing the freedom to vote act to even have a debate. and so we know that we've got to do something, because what is it, 19 states have passed now 33 laws that are -- will disenfranchise many millions of voters across the country. we must do something. i think many have proposed a carveout. our democracy is at stake. it's very fragile. we've got to do something. so that may mean carving out a process that allows for the filibuster to be set aside so that we can pass both bills, the freedom to vote act and the june lewis voting rights advancement act. or some form of carveout or some form of a waiver or some form of a process that will allow at least the bills that are critical to our democracy, and critical to our right to vote, critical to getting dark membership out of politics,
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critical to making sure our election system is fair, and the gerrymandering stops. i mean, we have got to do something. whatever process we come up with, i'm sure the president will be part of this, and we'll make sure he leads us in making sure we protect our fragile democracy. >> i also want to ask about the president's domestic agenda and this social spending plan. the white house makes the point that the top line number isn't as important as what's in it. i take them at their point. but the overall price tag has been knocked down some $4 trillion since the talks started. in your mind, is it still significant, this package? does it still meet the moment as democrats see it? especially if you're not able to include the medicare expansion that the president ultimately initially wanted? >> well, listen, we knew that this was going to be a negotiation from day one. and i have to say this is really an economic agenda. this is the biden economic agenda, because this agenda central to it, is the creation of good paying jobs.
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good paying union jobs. ensuring that women and men get back to work because of the child care provisions. right now over -- close to 2 million women can't get back into the work force because they can't afford child care. this is an economic agenda. and i'm a member of the progressive caucus and have had the chance to meet with the president. we've been negotiating and we know we have to come to consensus with all of our democrats. it's a tragedy, the republicans won't support the build back better bill, because we know their strents also are going to create -- be beneficiaries of the good paying jobs. having said that, we talked about the shortened time frame. these investments are extremely important. you look at housing. congresswoman maxine waters has been fighting day and night to make sure we have pathways to ownership, that we have affordable rental housing, and
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that we preserve and rehab the current rental houses. so you look at all the issues, and investments, we're negotiating now. but we're saying that we're getting close. we know we're getting close, but the dollar amount, again, for myself, is still not that important, because we have to make sure that these critical investments are going to be immediate for american families in the build back better bill. >> congresswoman barbara lee, thank you for your time. appreciate you. coming up next, big news from the supreme court over texas's controversial abortion law. more on that after this. you're watching "meet the press daily". e press daily" n loss, so the national eye institute did 20 years of clinical studies on a formula found in preservision. if it were my vision, i'd ask my doctor about preservision. it's the most studied eye vitamin brand. if it were my vision, i'd look into preservision preservision areds 2 contains the exact nutrient formula recommended by the nei to help reduce the risk of moderate to advanced amd progression.
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welcome back. breaking news out of the supreme court. the court has agreed to review texas's controversial abortion law that bans all abortions after six weeks. oral arguments are scheduled for november 1st. that's not the only action the court took on this case today. joining us now with the latest
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is pete williams. pete, the justice department tried to prevent this law from taking effect. so where does it stand now? >> the justice department hoped to keep the law from staying in effect. it was dead and then blocked and now back in effect. there's three moving parts here. first of all, the court is denying the federal government's request for a stay. that means sb-8 will remain in force. i would think this means it's going to remain in force for several more months while these cases work their way through the supreme court. the supreme court agreed to take on a fast track, a separate afeel filed by abortion rights groups in texas who are challenging the constitutionality of sb-8. that's one of the cases the court will hear on november 1st. then the court will also hear a part of the frog government's challenge to sb 8. there the question isn't so much sb-8 it as to whether the
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federal government has the right to bring the lawsuit against the state and if so whether the state court judge had the right to issue an injunction that applied to state court judges, clerks and so forth. so there's basically two questions the court will consider on november 1st. is sb-8 constitutional in the state case, and can the federal government sue over a law like this. the reason that's important, the federal government said to the supreme court earlier this week and again today in a reply brief, they said to the supreme court in us lens, look, if you let texas get away with this, then states can pass laws in essence, nullifying supreme court decisions but handing off the enforcement to private parties and you'll never be able to do anything about it. surely you don't want to stand around with your hand in your pockets and let that happen. that was the government's argument. the supreme court now is going to hear these two cases and then, of course, on december 1st, the court takes on
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the big case of the term on abortion which is the direct challenge to roe v. wade that's brought by mississippi and the state law that bans abortion after 15 weeks. to recab, the mississippi law is not in effect now. it's put on hold by the courts. the texas law is in effect now and probably will remain so for several more months while the court takes up questions. >> in total the court would have three abortion-related cases before it this term. >> at least. three and counting. >> all right. coming up, encouraging vaccine news as the cdc expands eligibility for booster shots and signs off on the mix and match approach. what it means for you, your family, and tackling the pandemic as a whole is coming up next. you're watching "meet the press daily". can help you track your pizza come on, cody. where are you, buddy? then your bank should help you track your spending. virtual wallet® is so much more than a checking account.
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conditions or frontline jobs are also eligible. for j&j they are recommended for all adults over the age of 18 that got the single shot vaccine at least two months ago. in the briefing the white house covid response team said millions of people fall into those groups and now have access to the extra shots. joining us now is a former policy director under president obama. past great to see you. great to have you with us. you've seen the data. is it better to take the mix and match approach and get some other shot than the one you initially received? >> that's a great question. the answer is for certain people, absolutely. and i would say those people are 15 million people who got johnson & johnson. many of whom have had it for over two months. so they should, 18 and above, as you said, get a booster. it does look like either of the mrna vaccines are really great. i know a lot of people, by the way, everyone is flooding our offices with calls asking to get
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moderna. it fete like look agent the data, moderna was overwhelming. it was a half dose, not a full dose. mixing and matching makes sense. it yields a different way of priming the immune system. again, really the johnson & johnson folks stick out. other folks, i would say get what's most available around you. don't obsess too much between pfizer and moderna. it's pretty much the same type of effect with those. >> as you talk about people rushing your office, there was a headline out today saying that more people are getting their covid boosters than are getting the first shot. i want to ask about where we are overall in the life of the pandemic. even as the numbers are trending in the right direction at home, overseas, cases in the uk are spiking. russia is in total lockdown mode right now. is this pandemic further away from being over than we think? >> it is. and jeff, there's good news in having the ability to boost
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ourselves and get better protection at large. and then we're going to have a conversation next week about pediatric vaccines. that's in front of the fda advisory committee. even though 6 .2 billion people received at least one dose. many have lower efficacy. we're seeing hospitalizations. that's driving a lot of the uk, we think. a combination of decreasing efficacy and the relaxation of the restrictions. to your point, i think the rest of the globe is vulnerable. they haven't had a shot. this gives an environment for the -- the fear keeps a lot of us up. haven't seen any evidence of it yet. that's good news. but we can't kind of put the cart before the horse, so to speak. because we've got a world to vaccinate. i don't think we're going to get there until 2023 this. the united states is going to certainly benefit from our rates of vaccination as long as we can keep them going up and not down. >> yeah. when it comes to the rates of
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vaccination, i want to ask about covid shots in kids. pfizer reported data today showing that the covid vaccine had a 90 .7% efficacy rate in preventing symptomatic covid-19 among kids ages 5 to 11. what are you going to watch for as the fda starts to pick apart the data? >> the most important thing i think are going to be some of the safety signals. we've talked about inflammation of the heart. we see that in about one in 15,000 cases. particularly in younger adults of certain age. we're going to want to look for the rates in children. not as common in children. it's something parents are going to likely consider. side effects, and number two, how can we judge relatively speaking, how many kids need to get vaccinated to prevent one hospitalization? symptomatic covid is important. those are the conversations parents are going to be asking. they're also going to ask if they should wait. lots of parents are asking
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should they wait several weeks. should we have a subgroup be prioritized or is it ready for all of them? i'll look to see the discussion around that as well. >> doctor, thank you so much as always. appreciate that great context and clarity. coming up, dire new warnings from florida election officials to elected leaders and candidates. stop undermining democracy. we'll speak with the republican leading that fight coming up next. you're watching "meet the press daily". "meet e thpress daily" he cloud? the cloud would give us more flexibility, but we lose control. ♪ ♪ ♪ should i stay or should i go? ♪ and we need insights across our data silos, but how? ♪ if i go there will be trouble ♪ ♪ ♪ wait, we can stay and go. hpe greenlake is the platform that brings the cloud to us. ♪ should i stay or should i go now? ♪ ♪ ♪ as someone who resembles someone else, i appreciate that liberty mutualy or should i go now? ♪
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two lawyers that backed former president donald trump's lawsuits over the 2020 election results now hold two of the most powerful positions in texas. one of them, jon scott, was just named secretary of state by governor greg abbott. he briefly joined trump's baseless legal challenges to pennsylvania's election results before the lawsuit was thrown out. mr. scott will now oversee texas elections including the limited
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2020 election review governor abbott ordered in four of the state's counties. then there's ken paxton, abbott's attorney general. paxton was in el paso yesterday doubling down on trump's election lies. at one point agreeing that joe biden's victory amounted to a, quote, overthrow. this rhetoric is a danger to democracy, but many trump supporters and republican leaders continue to embrace it. it's gotten so bad that even in florida, a state that donald trump won by more than 350,000 votes, the republican supervisors of elections say they've received threats. they wrote a letter this week imploring candidates and elected officials to, quote, tone down the rhetoric and stand up for our democracy, to commit themselves to the goal of fighting falsehoods and strengthening voter trust. our democracy depends on it. wesley wilcox is president of
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the florida supervisors of elections which is the bipartisan association behind that letter, and he joins us now. so your letter, i read it, says it's urgent. do you think florida voters are getting that message, do they share that sense of urgency? >> geoff, this is really not a republican or democratic issue. this is a bipartisan issue. if we allow a few to convince our voters that their voting voice is not being heard or is irrelevant to the outcome, what's their next logical step? they step home and don't participate. this country was built on participation. too many people have fought and died for us to have that opportunity. and i'm just not going to stand idly by which watch these vocal few destroy our country. >> so you're a republican. what do you make of your party's embrace of donald trump's election lies?
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do you see that as a danger to democracy itself? >> you know, once again, i don't see it as a party embracing. i've heard our governor, i've heard our secretary of state, myself, you know, the election that we conducted in the state of florida was by far the most secure election we've ever done. in the words of governor desantis, the way florida did it should be the role model for the rest of the country, and i firmly believe that. >> your letter actually appears to purposely not name the former president by name, for example you write this. during and after the 2020 presidential election, the integrity of our democracy has been challenged by misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation that sows discord and distrust in our electoral process. there is a lot of passive voice
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in that first statement. why not call donald trump out by name? >> actually if you look at former president trump's statements, he goes on record, just as recently as four or five weeks ago, stating the way florida did it, once again, ran a clean election. so i don't believe it's our former president. i believe there have been other people leading many good people astray with misinformation. and so that's kind of our take on it, that it's people out there who are attempting to perpetuate this fallacy and this misinformation, disinformation. and it's not doing any of us any good. >> what's your response to what's happening in texas, that the texas state attorney general, ken paxton, calling joe biden's victory, an election he won fairly, an overthrow?
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>> i'm not going to comment on that. texas, they do their stuff. i'm a state of florida election official. and i'll keep my comments to the state of florida. i think this is the best place in the country, so no disrespect to texas, though. >> this letter you sent was only sent to elected officials and candidates there in florida. why not send it to florida voters? >> that's coming. that will be our next step. next week, we are sending a letter to the voters of the state of florida ensuring them of the integrity of our system. a lot of people forget that we too, all of us elected officials here, are voters here in the state of florida. and what's more important than your own personal vote? and, you know, so i've got integrity in the system.
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i use the system, i vote by mail, i voted at an early voting site. so that letter to the voters in general is coming next week. >> all right, wesley wilcox, thanks so much for your time, appreciate you joining us. one last thing before we go. another sneak peek at chuck's interview with california governor gavin newsom airing this sunday on "meet the press." the fate of sirhan sirhan, a panel ruled in august that the man who assassinated robert f. kennedy in 1968 is suitable for parole. the california parole board staff is now reviewing that recommendation and the governor can approve, deny, or amend the decision. chuck asked the governor about that pending decision. >> the sirhan sirhan decision. >> that's a tough one. >> what makes it tough? >> it's interesting you ask the question. i don't laugh to be dismissive, i laugh because that's a hard
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one for me. >> it's all on you. >> bobby kennedy is my political hero, my house looks like a shrine to the kennedy family. >> and you wonder why some of us ask you if you're interested in running for president. >> i'm attempted to some of the ideals of the '60s, there's something beautiful there that we need to attach ourselves to again. that said, this is hard because i believe in redemption, i believe in second chances. at the same time, man, he took away dreams. he took away a lot of hope. and this country, this world, is radically changed as a consequence. i have to factor that in. >> what about the family? they're not divided evenly. does that matter you to? >> profoundly. come on, bobby's wife. if i want a point of view, that's going to be profoundly
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determineative determinative. iffeth if ethel calls me up, that will make a difference. it hasn't come to my desk, it's a matter of months, it's coming up. it's generated a lot of interest. i'll tell you, you asked this question. i've gotten emails and text messages from folks that are some of the most heartfelt and deep and emotional. >> on both sides of the issue? >> on both sides of this issue. it hits home. >> john hinckley is out right now. does that matter to you? >> people brought that up. it matters. but bobby's loss carries a different weight. again, i'll remind you, not only do i have a shrine of sorts, that's exaggerated, but pictures of bobby kennedy, but the most valuable thing i own in my life
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is a picture of my dad, who is passed away, with bobby kennedy, signed by him a few months before he died. this is a tough one. we'll be back monday with more "meet the press daily." if it's sunday, it's "meet the press" on your local nbc news station. msnbc coverage continues right now with my good friend yasmin vossoughian. hey, everybody, good afternoon. i'm yasmin vossoughian. good to be with you. as we come on the air we have breaking news from the supreme court, which announced just a short time ago that it will hear a case relating to that texas law that effectively bans nearly all abortions in the state. for the supremes, the hearing will happen at lightning speed, just over a week from now, on november 1. the court, however, declined to block the law,

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