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that wraps up this hour. thank you for watching. i'm stephanie ruhle. my friend and colleague, jose diaz-balart, picks up breaking news coverage right now. good morning. it's ten o'clock a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. a big boost in the fight against covid as the cdc director signs off on booster shots of the moderna and johnson & johnson vaccines. in washington, president biden says he's confident that democrats will soon reach a deal on that massive social spending bill. as some members continue their uphill battle to get immigration reform into that legislation. this as we learn disturbing new details about how the u.s. has mistreated some of the many people who have sought asylum here. and as the leader of a haitian gang threatens to kill a group of abducted missionaries, a look at what life is like in the poorest nation in the western hemisphere. and actor alec baldwin in
anguish after a prop gun accident on a movie set that killed one person and sent another to the hospital. and we begin this hour with a big news from the cdc. overnight, cdc director rochelle walensky endorsed booster shots for both moderna and johnson & johnson. giving millions of americans more options in fighting the pandemic. at the top of the next hour, the white house covid-19 response team will brief the nation on this news and address the mix and match strategy, which would allow you to get a different vaccine dose for your booster than your initial shot. director walensky was on the "today" show this morning and here's part of what she had to say. >> what i would say, as i mentioned with, the vast majority of people will probably select the one that they loirnl received and did really well with. but there may be some people who would prefer a different vaccine, or if you go into a
pharmacy and they don't have the vaccine that you originally got, it really is fine to get a different vaccine. >> joining me now is dr. uche blackstock, the founder and ceo of advancing health equities. she's also an msnbc medical contributor. doctor, good to see you. can you kind of explain exactly what was announced? what does this mean for us? >> thank you so much for having me on this morning, jose. so, you know, i know for some people, that mixing and matching may sound confusing, and hopefully we'll get more guidance on it. but what was announced is that we now have approvals for boosters for people who have received a full series of moderna, and also a johnson & johnson vaccine. and so now people have the flexibility to get another, a different type of booster, depending on what they got initially for their first vaccine. this is huge. we know that especially for people who have got an mrna vaccine, this addresses people who are over 65, people in high-risk settings, and people
with underlying disease. and for people who got a johnson & johnson, any over 18 years old is eligible for a booster shot. >> so doctor, the booster shot for johnson & johnson, first of all, it should be two months after receiving that johnson & johnson shot, right? which is very unusual. the other ones were saying six months or more. so if i got the j&j vaccine, right, and that was after -- you know, much after two months ago -- >> months ago. >> where do i go get it? what booster do i get? >> right. and so that's the issue. the fda has not given any clear guidance on which vaccine -- and the reason why is because there's really not enough data yet. we have preliminary data showing that if you mix and match the johnson & johnson with mrna vaccine, you get a higher antibody response. but we know that the immune system is more complicates than that. so essentially they're saying, you can get any booster. if you received johnson & johnson, you can go to get your
nearest vaccine site or pharmacy and get another johnson & johnson or an mrna vaccine. we know it's safe and effective to get a booster shot. i think we'll get more data over time as to which mix and match will be most effective. >> meanwhile, pfizer announced this morning that according to a study, its kid-sized dose of its covid-19 vaccine is safe, more than symptomatic infections in 5 to 11-year-olds. how promising is this data? >> this is just preliminary data, but it's incredibly important. we knew that the vaccine was safe in young people. it's about a third of the adult dose. and we see that there are no significant side effects, although the sample size involved in the clinical trial was quite small. but what we see so far is that it is safe and effective. we didn't see any incidents of myocarditis, which is inflammation of the heart, which we have seen in some young people in adults, after they've received the mrna vaccine.
so this really opens the way, hopefully, for full fda -- sorry, for eua, actually, of the children's vaccine for pfizer. and we have about 28 million 5 to 11-year-olds who are eligible. >> dr. uche black shock, thank you very much for being with me this morning. appreciate your time. back to washington. the president said during a cnn town hall last night that he thinks that there will be a deal soon. he also provided more details about what will likely be in the reconciliation bill and what may not make it. the president shared more about where arizona democratic senator kyrsten sinema, who hasn't spoken publicly about her views on the bill, stands on key areas. >> she's smart as the devil, number one. number two, she's very supportive of the environmental agenda in my legislation. very supportive.
she's supportive of almost all of the things i mentioned relating to everything from a family care to all of those issues. where she's not supportive is she says she will not raise a single penny in taxes on the corporate side and/or on wealthy people. period. and so that's where it sort of breaks down. >> with me now, eugene daniels, politico white house reporter and playbook co-author. he's also an msnbc political contributor and nbc news correspondent cal perry at the west virginia state capital in charleston. eugene, why do you think the president was so able to be confident that an agreement is near? >> because he's had multiple meetings this week. so an in-person meeting at the white house gives you a lot more information than hearing about how meetings are going with your staff. and i think that everyone is -- everyone knows on the house side, in the senate, the president and his staff, that they need to hurry up, right? they're running out of time. they gave themselves this
october 31st deadline, nancy pelosi did. the white house, i think, has called it a checkpoint, and not so much a deadline. so they want to make sure that they get a win. something that can say, you know, we got together, we came together, we figured out what we're going to invest in. and not just that topline number bouncing around, right? and so i think that's really important for the american people to know. because we've been talking about this for a real long time. >> yeah, and eugene, i think it's important to say, and to kind of follow up on your answer, that it's not maybe that sinema and manchin aren't speaking and giving details of what their red lines are. rather, they're not telling us what their red lines are. >> right. that's absolutely -- especially senator sinema, right? she is not known to talk to press, when people have asked her in the hallway, you know, where are she? she's said, right here, standing in front of the elevator, being a little coy. that's something that we've seen over and over. so this is -- you know, this is
kind of the first time that we've seen and heard what sinema's red lines are. people were surprised about her not wanting to raise those taxes on the wealthy, on the corporation. but you have to remember, the first time she voted against the trump tax cuts, she did vote to extend them. this is a personal interest of hers, as well. >> and his constituents, how do they see him? you're where they are. what are they telling you? >> reporter: a lot of people watching this at home say, i consider myself a democrat and joe manchin looks and sounds nothing like what i believe in. you're probably not watching from west virginia, right? joe manchin is walking a very fine line in what is a conservative state, as the head of the democratic party. now, people here seem to trust joe manchin. he is an institution. he's been in public office since 1981. i have been asking people, because this is a vital bill for the state, what do they make of
the child tax care credit. take a listen? >> i would like to see child tax credits. i think that should stay in the bill. but you can just afford so much. i'm not in congress. i trust senator manchin. >> he's going to get attacked by his political opponents, no matter what he does. and that's one reason why i think it's important for him to go bold and make this policy succeed for west virginians instead of holding back. >> reporter: i think for senator manchin, you've got two things going on. you've got two bills. the infrastructure bill, which is a no-brainer in many ways for west virginia. this state ranks some of the lowest when it comes to poverty rates, people who live above and below the party line. the human bill. this is what senator manchin is clearly pushing back and seems to be putting forward some conservative values when it comes to spending participate whether or not the community here will back him in the end, i think, is still a question, jose. a lot of people that we've been talking to have been reflecting this idea that they just don't know what's in the bill. whether it's elected officials or people just on the street telling us, we'll wait to see
the final result and see how senator manchin did. >> cal, what would you say are the top of mind issues for people in west virginia? >> reporter: infrastructure and poverty. i don't think there's any question about that. this is a tough time in west virginia. there's a joke that goes around west virginia that next to coal, the number one export in west virginia is humans. are people leaving? there's a brain drain happening here. 17% of folks live below the poverty line. it's a very serious issue. i think that is the key issue and those are the things that you hear from the biden administration. states like west virginia are poised to benefit the most from these bills, frankly. >> coal, big issue there. >> eugene, nine republicans voted with democrats to refer former trump adviser steve bannon to the justice department for potential contempt charges over his refusal to cooperate with a house january 6th committee. where does this process go from here? >> and now this process goes to the department of justice, right? they have to decide whether or not they're going to seek
charges against steve bannon, and that is something that everyone is trying to figure out, what's going to happen there? it's important for folks to remember that no matter what ends up happening, if merrick garland makes the decision to go after steve bannon and we go through the process and he's found guilty, that doesn't mean that he is compelled to testify, right. they're still unlikely to get any information out of steve bannon, so this process is going to go through. and what the house wanted to make sure, especially, those republicans, some of the usual suspects that we've seen voting on bipartisan things, they want to make sure that congressional subpoenas hold weight and power. and that is something that democrats have talked about, like, they have concerns about. you have kevin mccarthy at some point, possibly the speaker of the house, whoever has voted against this, and what does that mean for when he wants an investigation and someone doesn't want to come and talk to some committee or panel that
he's created? and that is where these folks are right now. >> eugene daniels and cal perry, thank you for being with me this morning. coming up, we're following several developments in haiti right now, including the new threat to kill the kidnapped missionaries. we've got a report from port-au-prince with the latest. plus, dozens of democrats demanding immigration relief be included in the massive ridiculous package, but what happens if it's not? we'll talk to one activist about that next. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. e diaz-balart reports" on msnbc.
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16 past the hour. let's turn now to news out west, where we're following the latest after a fatal shooting on a new mexico movie set. actor and producer alec baldwin fired a prop gun on the set of the movie "rust" that killed the director of photography and injured the movie's director. the spokesman for baldwin called
the incident an accident, involving a misfire from a prop gun with blanks. joining me now from los angeles, nbc news correspondent, steve patterson. steve, good morning. what's the latest regarding the investigation into what happened there? >> reporter: yeah, jose. right now, this is all being described as a horrible accident, at least at this point. during the filming of that new movie called "rust." this morning, production has been halted as they investigate what exactly went wrong here. sheriff's deputies called to the set thursday afternoon. authorities say baldwin was filming when he fired that prop gun during a scene of the movie, killing one crew member, injuring another. helena hutchins, the film's director of photography, was airlifted to an area hospital where she was later pronounced dead. director joel souza was also shot. he's been hospitalized with injuries. a spokesperson for baldwin, as you mentioned, described the shooting as an accident that involved the misfire of a prop gun with blanks. baldwin, not only the star of "rust," but also one of its producers.
and keep in mind, this is far from the first time something like this has happened. the most high-profile example maybe 1993, actor brandon lee, son of the great bruce lee, died during the filming of "the crow," if you'll remember, after she was shot with a prop gun. since then, there's been really strict regulations, live ammunition never allowed on set. icu there's a licensed armor or prop master in charge of handling the weapons, including the loading of the blanks themselves. that person usually in charge of showing the weapons to the cast and crew, teaching them how to use it, and also usually require the use of shields during actual filming. so police say they're interviewing witnesses as they conduct the rest of their investigation. meanwhile, after police reported baldwin's involvement, nbc news did reach out to the baldwin team. we have not heard back as of yet, as this investigation is, of course, ongoing. jose. >> steve patterson in los angeles, thank you very much. now back to washington where some house democrats aren't
giving up the fight to get immigration reform into the massive social spending bill, although the house parliamentarian has ruled twice that it does not comply with budget reconciliation rules. dozens of progressives, house lawmakers, as well as some senators sent a letter to senate democratic leader chuck schumer, uring him to get the vice president or president pro tem tempor of the senate to overrule the ruling. with me now is clarissa martinez decastro, deputy vice president for unidos u.s. thank you for being with me. what is it we're seeing? this letter is one thing. we've seen members and senators talking about the need to include immigration into that reconciliation bill. but the parliamentarian has spoken once, twice, what's going
on? >> well, the reality is that we're dealing with a reconciliation process. there is precedent for this kind of issue to be including in the reconciliation process. there is also a letter, by the way, by a lot of academics, scholars, and law experts saying that the parliamentarian got it wrong in round one, in round two. so we're giving her another chance. senators are going back to her with a round three. but the reality here is very simple. there cannot be a full recovery without including immigrants, because immigrants have been part and parcel of our recovery, and they are going to be part and parcel of rebuilding the nation. so, not only is it clear that we have a debt and a responsibility to get this done, the vast majority of the american public agrees with that.
so we are -- we are very encouraged that senators are not letting this go. they're coming back. and that they are also prepared to take additional steps if the parliamentarian continues to be in transigent on this in applying lenses that are not necessarily being applied to other issues. >> on wednesday, new jersey senator bob menendez sat down with axios and talked about plan "c" on trying to get something put into the immigration bill. here's how he described this plan "c." >> plan "c" would probably be a parole option, that would give about $8 million of the $11 million undocumented immigrants who meet certain requirements the ability to work lawfully, to have a status that would last for five years, and would be renewable for another five
years, that would protect them from deportations. >> is this plan "c" something that you think would be feasible? >> well, according to scholars and constitutional experts, plan "a" and plan "b" should have been feasible for the parliamentarian. we don't see why this shouldn't be, since it addresses some of the things that she raised. at the end of the day, i believe, like the majority of my fellow americans, that no matter what we achieve through this process it would probably pale in comparison to the community of immigrants who have helped us through the pandemic deserve. but nevertheless, we are very hopeful and encouraged that we will win this argument and that we will be able to provide stability, relief, and the ability to work and travel for the immigrant population, as we
continue for what is ultimately needed. and again, the majority of the american public support krool the political spectrum. and that is for immigrants in our country to become citizens. >> clarissa martinez, thank you so much for being with us this morning. still ahead, a gang leader threatening to kill those kidnapped american missionaries in haiti if his demands aren't met. we'll talk to to a writer and activist in port-au-prince, next. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. u diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪
in a video message, the leader of the gang that kidnapped 16 americans and one canadian in haiti threatens to kill them. nbc news gabe gutierrez has a report from the capital. gabe? >> reporter: jose, good morning. haiti's national police chief has just resigned, as this country slips deeper into turmoil. and now a chilling new message from the kidnappers. the leader of the 400 mawozo gang is seen on a video shared widely on social media here in haiti, threatening to shoot the kidnapped missionaries if his demands aren't met. now, haiti's justice minister told us this week that the kidnappers were demanding a $1 million per person ransom, but it's unclear the status of the negotiations. the fbi is also on the ground
negotiating, but won't comment on the negotiations. and the u.s. has been reiterating it's u.s. policy not to pay ransom for hostages. meanwhile, the security situation in haiti is deteriorating. there are fires being set throughout port-au-prince. tire fires blocking off roads, making them impassable and demonstrators are furious at the government's inability stop the kidnappings, but also, there's frustration over the spiraling economic crisis here, fuel shortages, and this is a situation that many people on the ground we've been speaking with say that the potential for violence is worse than they've seen in decades, perhaps it maybe unprecedented, following the assassination of haiti's president. of course, there's been a rise in kidnapping since that assassination several months ago. meanwhile, in ohio, jose, the families of the kidnapped missionaries are asking for prayers. they say that they're aware of the video, showing the leader of that gang, but that they won't
comment on the threats. and meanwhile, state department official, jose, says that if you're a kidnapper, it's your job, essentially, to say those kinds of things. jose, back to you. >> gabe gutierrez in port-au-prince, thank you. i want to bring into the conversation, monique gleska, a former u.n. official and writer and based in port-au-prince. so we have this gang threatening to kill these people. this is not an idle threat. as a matter of fact, there's a part of the video we can't even show you where they show dead people in coffins. is this a reality that haitians see on a daily basis? >> well, it is a reality. as a matter of fact, the video was taken at a funeral, so a funeral, you will have dead people in coffins. but it is a reality. a few days before we also had about 50 other people who were kidnapped in another area.
every day, there are 10s and 20 people who are kidnapped. yes, it is every day. we've been living through this. but it's kind of the profound crisis that we have been living with. and this violence, at first, was really violence that was instigated by the government. so a lot of it was political violence. now, has it got out of the hands of government? are the gangs still working with government? nobody knows. but a lot of the massacres that had happened before had happened with the complicity of a government of haiti. it is a huge situation. it is extremely difficult, down the road from where i am. there are road blocks. antennas of cell phone operators are being burned. so it is a tragic, profound
crisis that we are trying to get out of. >> i like your opinion on this. "the washington post" editorial board wrote an op-ed this week entitled, we can no longer ignore haiti's dissent into chaos. they write, quote, for all its unintended consequences, outside intervention could also establish a modicum of stability and order that would represent a major humanitarian improvement on the status quo. i'm thinking, haiti has been victim of interventions throughout their history, right? 1915 to 1934. the united states, 1994 to 1995, what do you think and what's your reaction to that op-ed? >> well, i was disgusted by the op-ed. and i respect, you know, the esteemed colleagues of "the washington post." but i couldn't understand why they don't know einstein's rule, you know, it's going to fail. and we do not need outside
intervention. i mean, anytime there is a problem in the country, you cannot just go in. and i'm surprised that the colleagues at "the washington post" did not remember afghanistan, because afghanistan happened just a month ago. we do not need the united states or any other country to intervene. we need the solidarity of the of international community. and what we really need is for the united states to stop meddling in the ground. we have come up with an accord, there's a commission to a find is haitian-led solution. we are open to that dialogue. we have met all political parties. it is a multi-stake holder accord. so there is something on the ground that is there, that we're working with. what we need is for them to talk to us. not to intervene with guns and
to tell us what to do. no. we do not need this. and it is hugely offensive that "the washington post" could say this. we are an independent country. we may be under the thumb of americans. it may be a neocolonialist thing to say we should intervene, but, no. give us a chance. we know it's very difficult. we are living in this chaos. so we are the first ones who are interested in this. but, it must be said, jose, that the united states has supported this government. the united states has put this government in power. and supported jovenel moise, so all of this, the united states has to accept its responsibility in this. and the u.s. is part of this -- >> and you're talking about the
u.s., you're talking about the united nations, 1994, 1995. that was a change of government because, well, the world or whatever decided that our state should be back in. it's history that unfortunately many people don't know. monique, thank you for being with me this morning. >> thank you. thank you very much. thank you, thank you. >> thanks. coming up, queen elizabeth are out of the hospital this morning. we're live at buckingham palace with why she went in. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. fine, no one leaves the table until your finished. fine, we'll sleep here. ♪♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win. i thought i was managing my moderate to severe crohn's disease. then i realized something was missing...
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according to homeland security officials. meanwhile, floods are impacting up to 700,000 in south sudan. that's according to the u.n. it's the worst flooding the country has seen in 60 years. in the uk, the queen is now back at windsor castle after buckingham palace revealed that she was hospitalized yesterday for preliminary investigations. nbc's matt bradley has more on that story. matt? >> reporter: yeah, jose. i mean, when we're talking about the queen, you know, you and i have gotten used to talk about other royals and all of the sort of tabloid fodder that goes along with that, but when we're talking about the queen, that's a totally different story. we can't just speculate. in fact, the palace has been pretty direct in telling us that the queen is back at work, that she's well, that this was all just sort of investigative, you know, investigative convalescence at this hospital that's not too far from where i'm standing now.
the fact is, we have to believe the palace, because when it comes to the queen, they're not going to lie about her physical health, because her health is a matter of a constitutional responsibility. and when we talk about other royal family members, it doesn't really meet the same standard. and that's why this is such a critical issue. what happens to the queen in the next couple of days and weeks is critical, not just to, you know, the esteem that britain has for the royal family, but for the constitution itself. so, as far as we understand, the queen is back at work. we understand from the palace that yesterday she was released from the hospital at about noon. she's working today on some light tasks, supposedly. we don't know, jose, exactly what went on, and in fact, the palace's disclosure that she spent a night in hospital was actually compelled by a british media source, by "the sun," newspapers. they said they were going to run a story about this, so the palace decided to get out in front of it and release information and acknowledge that the queen had spent the night in
the hospital. but whether or not this is serious or not, that's yet to be seen. but the fact is, when we're talking about a 95-year-old woman, a sovereign, a monarch who's been serving for more than 70 years, anything, any small illness, any small condition is very, very serious. jose? >> matt bradley in london, thank you. over the past decade, more students from mainland china have traveled to the u.s. to study here than any other country. this year, applications from chinese students fell by 18%. joining me now from los angeles is nbc news correspondent, emilie ikeda. emilie, good morning, what's behind this drop? >> reporter: hey, there, jose. a lot to consider. many experts consider chinese students here in the u.s. a very important part of america's economy. in fact, they're a top service export of the u.s. to china, but researchers say that that cash flow could be at risk. because the number of new applications coming from chinese
students is not rebounding since the start of the pandemic like it is from other foreign students. amy jan arrived from china to pursue a master's degree at ufc. together, they and their chinese classmates make up the largest group of foreign students currently in the u.s., but their presence is shrinking. there was a severe largely anticipated drop of international students at the beginning of the pandemic in 2020, but this year, applications from foreign students started to rebound, up 9%. while chinese student applications fell by 18%. the luster of higher education in the states, arguably, fading. amid a spike in anti-asian hate, rising tensions between two countries, and the pandemic. at home in china, has there been any concern about you coming over here? >> yes, definitely. they worry about my safety issue, the anti-asian hate issue and covid. >> reporter: international students can be a financial
lifeline to many colleges and universities. chinese students pay an estimated $16 billion in living fees and tuition expenses a year. nearly the same amount the u.s. spent developing the covid vaccine. >> do you pay full tuition? >> i have to pay full tuition, which is like 60, $60,000 u.s. per year. we're coming here for the opportunities. so the cause can be covered in the long run. >> reporter: but there's more than just money changing hands. chinese students create an exchange of culture and ideas that benefit both countries. >> reporter: you want the best and the brightest to come to the united states to enrich the intellectual discussion on this campus and across the country. >> reporter: clay douby is the director of the u.s./china institute at usc. he says the relations between the countries are at its lowest point in half a century. >> reporter: that's what makes it especially important for us to foster this person-to-person discussion. >> reporter: ua yang has seen the deterioration in relations
throughout her eight years studying here. now she's worried it will affect her job prospects. >> i still think geopolitics play a huge role. many friends of mine will consider going back to china. >> reporter: another thing to consider, china's dwindling population. the fertility rate there fell to 1.3 births per woman, which is well below the number of children needed to maintain china's current population. jose? >> emilie ikeda in los angeles, thank you so much. coming up, disturbing allegations coming from migra s at the border. what government records are revealing about accusations of abuse at the hands of the border patrol. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. y diaz-balart reports" on msc.nb ♪♪ your new pharmacy is here. to help you compare prices, and save on your medication. amazon prime members get select meds as low as $1 a month. who knew it could be this easy? your new pharmacy is amazon pharmacy. at t-mobile for business, unconventional thinking means we see things differently, so you can focus on what matters most.
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going to be sent to a jail where they were going to rape him. the homeland security spokeswoman responded to the report in "the new york times" writing, quote, the department does not tolerate any form of abuse or misconduct. for more on this, i'm joined by clara long, she serves as the associate director for the u.s. program, a human rights watch with a focus on immigration and border policy. she was also one of the primary researchers on this report. clara, thank you so much for being with me. what stood out to me most in this report, which details some really horrible things. >> thank you so much for having me. it really does. and these reports are coming up for the most part in what are called credible fear interviews. these are asylum officers who are assessing whether someone has a credible claim to asylum and they're talking to people after they've come through this -- the border system run by the border patrol and by an agency called customs and border protection. and one of the asylum offers, a former asylum offer i talked to who had filed some of these
reports told me, it's really surreal when we are taking down an account of persecution that someone has fled in their home country and come to the u.s. seeking safety and then simultaneously, you're taking down an account of severe abuse by your own own government. you can see in the accounts and reports asylum officers who are deeply concerned about the conduct they're hearing act. as you said, physical assaults. one man said he was hit so hard he was unconscious and had brain swelling. report of a firl who was inappropriately touched and made to take off clothes by an agent in green, the color of the border patrol. these are serious crimes. we have the largest federal law enforcement agency that appears to be tolerating them over many years. and even -- >> and i'm sorry to interrupt.
this report, i mean, some of the things that are in this report range from 2016 to 2021. that's three u.s. administrations. right? so what are these allegations telling you about the culture of this agency regardless of what party is in charge of washington? >> yeah. i mean, and you know what? i got -- i've got documents going back actually further, 2013, 2014. you know what they say about police abuses is that organizational culture eats policy for lunch. what we have here is an agency that has an organizational culture that is rotten. and that is well documented. even outside of the reports. it's something that we've heard again and again. we've seen this a couple years ago this secret facebook group come to light of border patrol agents who are mocking migrants in the worst terms. just a normalization of dehumanization of people who are
crossing the border. >> clara long, thank you very much. so important you're with me this morning. i appreciate what you're doing. >> i really appreciate you having me. thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, a new documentary airing right here on msnbc examines the civil war and what came after the director joins me next. he director joins me next ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪
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msnbc examiing how the united states is reckoning with slavery and the aftermath of the civil war shaped the way we discuss race, heritage, and tradition in the united states. civil war or who do we think we are, explores how the myths of the civil war still affect us today. >> america is kind of like a big family that tore itself apart during the civil war. in order to make peace, we told ourselves a certain story about it. for oh long time, we had trouble telling the difference between that story and the truth. >> joining me now, the director of "civil war". it's great seeing you. >> i started thinking about this film back in 2015, shortly after the massacre in south carolina at the ame church there. i had not realized that there were still people in the united states who thought that slavery
was not a cause of the civil war. and when i learned that, i thought to myself, i wonder how we're teaching our children across the country. i wonder what narratives they're learning. and so this really started as a quest to understand teaching in america. >> the film highlights how in the south the atrocities of slavery and the civil war have been erased in the classroom as well as in the memory of the state. one that jumped out was the effort by some in a mississippi town to remember the impact of it. that known as the clinton riot. what can you tell us about that? >> well, that event happened. it should be called the clinton massacre. it wasn't a riot. it was a massacre of the black republicans by the white democrats who overtook the scene that day. it happened in 1875. it was a deliberate effort to stop the black republicans from voting in that election. and it -- the massacre occurred over several days. there had been a political
rally, and the black republicans who attended that rally were persecuted and killed often in front of their own families by white democrats who sought them out. that story is important as an example of a history that has been deliberately mistold over time for many, many years. the story was told that it was actually the black people at the event who had caused the violence. so it was deliberately mispainted. >> yeah. you know, a famous quote that said those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. it's so important that we know what actually happened. so many types history is written by the winners of something, and then those who don't win don't have their versions out there. what have you learned from this documentary? >> well, in this case it was the losers who wrote the history for a very long period of time.
the lost cause myth took over our classrooms and our way of understanding this history for many, many years. and i had not realized before i made this film to what extent there were fwaping holes in my own education. >> yeah. >> black history in our country has not really been embraced as american history. it is american history. it's a fundamental part of all our story. i think it needs to be told that way. >> rachel, it's so true. i've often thought about that. who are those that write history? in this case the losers were able to write history. how does that happen and how do we learn from things that maybe are, well, hidden? >> i think it's really hard to talk about silences. right? they're not things that we're aware of. there is a very interesting example happening right now in our present which has to do with the january 6th insurrection. we can watch in our midst
history being rewritten. we have a living example sitting right in front of us of how history can very quickly be written by the losers, and mistold, deliberately mistold. so that people can feel better about their participation in some event. >> yep. those who cannot remember the past are, indeed, condemned to relive it. thank you so much for being with me this morning. and thank you for what you've done. be sure to catch "civil war" this sunday at 10:00 p.m. eastern, 7:00 p.m. pacific on msnbc. that wraps up this hour for me. i'll see you tomorrow on nbc nightly news saturday. check your local listings. please follow the show online. craig melvin picks up with more news right now.