tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC October 21, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
back. and for those of you playing our home game, you can google the famous frog boiling experiment. that's our broadcast for this thursday night with our thanks for being here with us, on >> very rarely does a politician have to put his or her money where his or her mouth is i can't remember the last time we covered a story where a politician basically made a public bet and they actually had to pay off when they lost the bed. that has finally happened. and look! we have the check! we have the actual check that shows the guy having to pay up the far-right former right wing radio host who's now the republican lieutenant governor of texas, his name is dan
patrick, it's a check drawn on his campaign funds. you see in the upper left hand corner texans for dan patrick. the czech is drawn on his campaign funds. it's for $25,000. payable to a young man named eric frank. eric frank is a young man who you are about to meet. i almost could not believe the story was real until i saw the actual check. there is the czech! it really happened! this isn't possible! apparently it is it happened, we are going to introduce you to eric frank in just a moment and get the story behind that just moments from now just in a minute. this afternoon in washington and there was a bit of a surprise in the vote in congress that trump advisor steve bannon should be referred for prosecution to the u.s. justice department i mean once upon a time the last time someone refused to comply with a subpoena from congress and congress voted to refer that person for prosecution because of it last time it happened in
1983 the vote in the house to refer that official reagan administration official for a prosecution was unanimous it was 400 and 13 to 0. last time the house did it all democrats and all republicans in the house of representatives all voted together that was a serious and criminal thing to do to defy a subpoena we entire house voted unanimously that reagan administration official should be referred for prosecution. well, that was the last time, 1883. today was the next time, and the house there is no unanimous vote, we don't do that anymore i think a lot of people thought republicans would vote all but unanimously against this prosecution referral today. that didn't happen either. maybe this is the tyranny of low expectations it's a bit of a surprise a total of nine
republican members of the house voted that steve bannon should be referred for prosecution nine democrats and all the democrats. but there is more than enough to get a majority of the house so now the matter of steve bannon defying that subpoena will be put in the hands of the u.s. attorney in washington d.c. to decide if in fact criminal charges are warranted. you will recall liz cheney lost her post in the republican leadership because of her uncompromising nonpartisan stance against trump's efforts to overturn the election. she did everything she could today to make this as hard a vote as possible for her fellow republicans. >> there are people in this chamber right now who were evacuated with me and the rest of us on that day during that attack people who know seem to have forgotten the danger of the moment, the assault on the constitution, the assault on our congress.
people who you will hear argue there is simply no legislative purpose for this committee this investigation, or for the subpoena. mr. bannon's own public statements made clear he knew what was going to happen before it did. and thus he must have been aware of and may have well been involved in the planning of everything that played out on that day the american people deserve to know what he knew and what he did. >> on the vote today was 220 9202. that was nine republicans along with all the democrats including this cheney joining all of the democrats in the house to reverse the van into the justice department for prosecution over his refusal to obey a subpoena from the january 6th investigation. as to whether or not the justice department will put him on trial, we don't know. the d.c. u.s. attorney could
decide not to. the d.c. u.s. attorney could convene a grand jury, present evidence to that grand jury and let the grand jury decide whether not an indictment against mr. bannon as warranted one other option i believe don't hold me to this if it's not the case but i believe based on my understanding of how these things, work based on the type of charge this would theoretically be against mr. bannon, i believe the d.c. u.s. attorney also has the option to draw up the charges against bannon himself without going to a grand jury at all which is another way to approach this. regardless of how the u.s. attorney's office decides to handle this, we won't know anything about the process until it's done, until the charges brought, in case that would be known. or into the justice department, u.s. attorney's office decides to release some statement about their decision not to charge mr. bannon. nwe won't know until it's done. we might not for sometime. attorney general merrick garland, the leader of the
justice department today was tightlipped about what to expect about that process he said the department will handle this like he says they handle everything. they will handle this by the, book no fear in our favor. >> i will say what's spokesperson for the u.s. attorney's office in the district of columbia said, yesterday, the day before, house of representatives votes for a referral of a contempt charge the department of justice will do what it always does in such circumstances, we'll apply the facts and law and make a decision consistent with the principles of prosecution. >> we will apply the facts and law, make a decision consistent with the principles of prosecution. in other words, are not going to tell you what we are doing. we are going to do it on our own terms, we don't take advice from anybody. you could leave me alone about it. which is, honestly, the right way to answer those kinds of questions. you know, stepping back from
this, in terms of the news worthiness of what is going on here and all this drama in washington. stepping back from the personalities involved, the drama, the list cheney drama particularly in terms of the sacrifice she's made, how it's changed the way she's viewed in her party, that she's taken the stance. if you step back from that drama and personalities, the discreet question of whether or not steve bannon is going to have to go on trial for this, it matters in its own right. it does matter if the new normal is that you are a trump ally don't have to respond to subpoenas. you might remember steve bannon previously blew off other subpoenas from a committee investigating russia's involvement in the 2016 election, years ago. he blew off those subpoenas from congress as well and republicans at the time over interest at the time decided they let him low off the subpoenas with no consequences, apparently because he was close to trump and didn't want to bother donald trump about it. that can't be the way it's left,
right? it matters whether or not he feels safe defying the law here. as congressman adam schiff said today, in the debate before the vote, if steve bannon is allowed to get away with defying the subpoena, he will not be the exception that proves the rule. he will become the new rule of how republicans deal with what are supposed to be mandatory legal instructions. it matters in its own right. but the reason this whole fight is happening, this whole fight over whether not steve bannon will be forced to comply with the law here. beyond the specific legal matter the specific presidential matter at hand the question of whether not steve bannon is going to comply with this investigation has grown in importance overtime. because of the renewed and strengthened and even more radicalized commitments on the right to the cars that brought the january 6th rioters to washington d.c. in the first place. a cause of steve bannon and donald trump are publicly
committed to today than they were back then in january. because cheney spoke to as well today with a sort of admirable synchronous. >> the people who attacked this building told us on video, on social media, and now before the federal courts exactly what motivated them. they believed what donald trump told them, that the election was stolen and they needed to take action. >> that's what this is about. whether or not sea ban and gets prosecuted for refusing to comply with subpoenas in the investigation into january 6th attack, the reason january 6th attack happened is exactly what liz cheney said. trump told on the election was stolen and they needed to take action to remedy that. that part of what went wrong on january 6th, i mean, no matter the scope of this investigation or who they get to testify in the investigation, that part of
what went wrong on january 6th is still operative. still quite operative. not just in trump world when it comes to statements and actions of the former president himself. that part of what went wrong, the belief, the deliberately stoked belief that the election was stolen, and trump supporters need to take action to remedy that, that is alive and well, not in the immediate circle around trump, but broadly in republican politics today. n just today in the news, colorado supreme court rejected an appeal from a county clerk in mason county colorado, an elected republican official, elected as county clerk to run mesa counties elections she became a stop the steal promoter who signed on with all the trump conspiracy theories about the election. she appears to have handed over proprietary elections equipment and software from the county to the trump conspiracy theorists who posted the information online including the counties
passwords for its election software beyond the county now needing all new elections machines because those are now going to be decertified, the colorado secretary of state started an investigation into what happened in mason county. the fbi started to investigate as well. thfor the safety of the next election in that county, that clerk asked to be removed from her job overseeing elections there. and a judge agreed with that assessment. today, the colorado supreme court dismissed the clerks appeal. in fact, somebody else will have to come in and run mesa county, colorado's next elections. if you leave the tracey trump conspiracy feeble people in charge of election machines and software and accounting processes. we can't count on having real elections anymore. i mean, that was colorado today. in texas, today, they decided, however, they were going for it. here is the headline today in
the texas tribune. governor greg abbott's pick four top texas election post worked with trump to fight 2020 results. here is the lead. governor greg abbott appointed john scott as texas new secretary of state, as secretary of state's state, scott would see over >> the texas tribune today post sailing to that lawsuit in which trump was demanding that the supreme court throughout the 2020 election results and, sure enough, there he is, listed as trump's counsel.
eventually dropped out of the case, but he was trump's counsel for filing that case. he literally lawyer trumps effort to have the results of the election thrown out. and now texas republicans have put him in charge of administering -- from here on out. that's his qualification for the job. this comes the same week texas republicans drew up their new congressional district. you might have seen headlines, it's amazing. texas is the only state in the country that grew so much in the past decade the state got two new congressional seats simply on the basis of population growth. what accounts for all of population growth in texas? the population growth in the last ten years in texas, 95% of it, 95% of the population growth in the state as people of color. a fast growing population in the state are non-white populations of all kinds. the latino population in texas is particularly responsible for
texas growing population, and therefore getting two new congressional seats. latinos and white texans are roughly equal numbers in the state now. latinos more than anybody else account for why tucker's got two new congressional seats. latinos alone account for half the population vote growth in the entire state. texas republicans this weekend to draw the maps for the new congressional districts in the state. you could probably guess how that went. republicans and texas decided they would get control of both of their new congressional districts to white voters, to majority white populations. in redrawing the maps in the rest of the state, they managed to somehow actually reduce the number of congressional districts where latinos make up the majority of voters. they reduce the number of districts where that's true, from 8 to 7. even as the latino population growth exploded in the state. latinos actually now have control of fewer congressional districts, and will have less
representation in congress. the number of districts where black voters of the majority in texas went from one before, two zero. now they got rid of the states only district where african americans made up the majority of voters. again, population growth in texas gets the state to new members of congress. publishing growth in texas, 95% of people of color. they make the congressional districts more white! response, things are going from texas republicans. but as i mentioned, here is that mentioned aforementioned bright spot. a week after the november election, november 10th, texas 's republican lieutenant government, dan patrick, posted a bounty. posted this offer of a reward. patrick offers up to $1 million
in bounties for voter fraud convictions. texas lieutenant governor dan patrick says quote that anyone who provides information leads to an arrest or final conviction of voter prod, will be paid a minimum of $25,000. almost immediately, someone took dan patrick up on his offer, but it was assuredly not with dan patrick had in mind. lieutenant governor dan patrick's -- democratic will tending governor john fetterman started finding cases, individual cases here and there of republicans committing voter fraud in the state of pennsylvania. not like widespread systemic fraud, not with what's going to affect the results of the election, who basically wanted to vote twice for donald trump. for it in those cases to the attention of dan patrick in texas, john fetterman demand the dan patrick pain the bounty. tweeting things like this hey,
governor patrick, it's your counterpart in pennsylvania, i'd like to collect your handsome reward for reporting voter fraud. i got a dude in 40 48 tried to have his dead mom vote for trump. and this continued for a long while, as lieutenant governor fetterman found a second and then third case, again individual, one-off cases, of random republicans trying to vote for dead relatives, or in person a living lens, or cast two votes for trump. you can see that december headline from the houston chronicle, pennsylvania lent lieutenant government veteran relentlessly trolls dan patrick seeking 1 million voter fraud bounty. but through all of this, i will not speak for you, or for governor john fetterman. but i thought that the sparring between the two lieutenant governors would be the end of it, right? there would be no money actually paid out. to my shock, i was wrong because here is the check. drawn on patrick's campaign
funds made two young man in, where else, pennsylvania. the reward, actually paid out. the first roared actually issued for information leading to an arrest of voter fraud. the roared was actually issued for one of the cases flags. the man in pennsylvania who came in and voted for trump, and he left the ballot station, that's the polling place, then he came back this time wearing sunglasses, and cast a ballot in his son's name. he got caught doing that. john fetterman pick that case as one of the ones he trolled dan patrick with, the reward ultimately did not go to john fetterman, went to a young coworker in pennsylvania whose tip off actually led to the guy in sunglasses actually been convicted of illegal voting. joining us now is that young poll worker, eric frank from chester county pennsylvania. mr. frank, thank you for making the time, this must be one of the weirdest moments in your
young life. >> hi rachel, first of all thanks to having me on. it's been a whirlwind. today, specifically, but this whole process has been way more than i ever expected. >> can you just, leaving aside down patrick for a moment, can you briefly tell us about what happened while you are working the polls that day. i should say as a matter of setting the stage, but there was no widespread voter fraud, there is no fraud on any level in any state that could conceivably effected the result of any election in any state. that said, in pennsylvania they're putting that in a few one-off cases, you appeared of brush up against one of them. can you tell us what you saw, how you reported it, whoa and then? >> yeah, so, first off i wasn't even supposed to be there that day, my father the judge of elections asked me to help, someone who called out during covid, they said yes, and i was the one handing out ballots to
the voters after they signed the check-in book. one of the first voters that morning came in, ralph thurman, and he had first asked, he put his ideas out and the one poll worker said we don't need to see your ig because you voted here for many years, and he then basically he said, couldn't i come back and vote for my son. at that point, no you can do that. he then responded, well how would you know. and i kind of just loves it at that. and he went on his way and voted. and then about an hour later, in my same position, and i hear the last name thurman's, i look up, and lo and behold is the same guy wearing a hat and sunglasses. so, i just couldn't believe
that he was back after we just had a legitimate conversation about how he could not do that. so yeah, that's how it happened, and we reported to the authorities, you have been the case kind of took off and went to court, testified as a witness, and then a reporter from the dallas morning news lauren mccaw he reached out on her win, and she was the one who worked with me on the original story, and help me apply for the bounty, and here we are. >> when you applied for the bounty, did it ever occurred to you that you would actually get paid the bounty money? i think all of us observing the sort of fighting between the lieutenant governor in your state john fetterman, and dan patrick, less fighting than federal just trolling him on the subjects, all assumes that dan patrick would not come through and panning of this, because it obviously wasn't for
the purpose he intended, to offer this reward to sort of hype the idea of fraud as something that was dane danger in the integrity of the whole election. did you actually think that he might get paid? >> no, never thought in 1 million years that i get paid. i thought there was no somebody speaking to much in the hopes that they would get them more attention, i think it's just extremely ironic that they, it's my opinion that they were trying to see voter fraud on someone that was a democrat, it turns out that it was from my case it was a republican voter. in fact, i think it kind of blew up in their face a little bit. >> in terms of the reporting on this in texas, in the dallas morning news, you, as far as we know, are the first and only person who has sought to get the money, you receive $25,000 that's the minimum amount that
dan patrick said he would pay out to anybody who did what you did, provided information in the lead to a conviction in the case like this. $25,000 was the minimum amount, he said he'd pay up to 1 million amount. if you have any idea where you got 25,000 instead of 1 million? >> i was hoping for a little more, i wasn't actually expecting anything to be honest. but, i did ask the manager for dan patrick, mr. blake more just how they came out without minimum amount, if i was the only one came forward to report, and his response was we were hoping for a bigger fish to cite his exact words. i still don't know what he means by that, to be honest i, i don't know if he was looking for a celebrity, is he looking for big political group, i don't know what he meant by that. listen, 25, 000, i'll take it,
it will go towards the new house for my fiancée and i, we're looking out to move to the suburbs, so i'm very grateful, and i'm also grateful that they kept their word, to be honest. >> remarkable turn of events, erica frank, democratic poll worker from chester county pennsylvania, randomly finds himself $25,000 richer because of this we are reward from the texas lieutenant governor, happy to hear about your plans with your fiancée, good luck. >> thank you so much rachel. >> we've got much more ahead tonight stay with us. much more ahead tonight stay with us tonight stay with us (doorbell rings) wonderful. mayonnaise... on fries? a little judgy, don't you think? ♪ that's weird ♪ ♪ so weird ♪
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chains in the northeast is called stop and shop, they've got more than 400 stores most of them gigantic, they've got tens of thousands of employees. and in april 29th been, tens of thousands of employees who worked at stop and shop walked out the shop. tens of thousands of them, went on strike, for better pay and benefits, this strike lasted 11 days, it was a really big deal in the northeast. it was a big enough deal that attracted support not just from local communities, and local
politicians, from people running for national office to, including a few of the major national democratic candidates at the time. including the one that would ultimately become president. it's one thing for political candidates to show up, at the stop and shop picket line, stand on the picket line while they're running for a higher office, it lands differently if the same politicians do the same kind of thing once they've risen to some of the highest offices in the country. u.s. secretary of agriculture tom ville sat, yesterday, visited a pick a line in iowa, where 10,000 workers a john deere are striking against one of the biggest agriculture manufacturers in the country. secretary vilsack told the workers on the line, quote, i'm here for you. he showed one of the strikers his own union card. we spent some time, looking for any modern president of a sitting cabinet official
joining workers on a picket line in a strike against a major u.s. company, we could not find any majorettes president for that. today's day eight of the strike by john deere workers. and, protests and strikes are going on at multiple john deere facilities across iowa. davenport, iowa, a judge yesterday sided with the company limited the number of pictures that are allowed to protest outside the facility, only for protesters in each and through a, which greatly curtailed for the means to do a picket line. because of that, today members of the union and members of the local community showed up to support members of that community, inside to union i think plant, they did as a rally outside the courthouse. it's been a busy week of direct action, all over the country this weekend, not just on the issue of labor, this was right outside the white house yesterday, five young climate activists say they are starting a hunger strike, demanding that president biden basically
refused to appease centrist democrats like joe manchin or kyrsten sinema, who are trying to radically scaled back and scaled down his build back better bill, that includes all of his climate initiatives. these protesters want biden to leave the price of the climate bill intact, they started this hunger strike, the five of them continued today, they're taking no food, no liquids other than water. outside the white house, today, they confronted president biden 's deputy cline advisor, they say they plan to continue this hunger strike indefinitely, until they say their demands are met. >> i different side of climate activists from green peace, today, unfurled this huge banner at the marina, it's where joe manchin -- i don't know where you call it, it's where you parked your yacht, joe manchin caught perks his yachts, they called on him to hold the private protections
and build back better, they said joe manchin who will you throw over ward. also this week, health care activists posted up outside that senate office building, to demand that president biden and democrats also curate health care protections from being stripped out of the legislation. they set their chairs there like waiting room in a doctor's office, they called it a care can't wait protest. a group of protesters from 13 different states set up these chairs to look like a waiting room into doctor's office, they did block access to building. this told stories about how many of them have lost loved ones because they couldn't afford health care, six of them were arrested at that protest, they are blocking access to the building. today there was another care can't wait protest, this one focus on another kind of care, parents and caregivers and another member said congress, spoke outside of the capital today about the importance of family medical leave, as well as home and community based care for the elderly, and people with those disabilities.
these are more core provisions of the build back better bill that are on the chopping block thanks to kyrsten sinema and joe manchin. there is direct action this week on voting rights, as well, calling on joe biden and democrats from the other side of the white house fence, to step up and do whatever is necessary to protect the democracy, to protect the right to vote. former president of the naacp, the former -- was arrested at this protest earlier this week. and then, yet more, today we got a different kind of direct action, and specifically at senator kyrsten sinema who've been talking about, qatar santa is one of the two democrats that are blocking but all the other democrats and president biden want to do, standing in the way of the senate passing any voting rights legislation or the ban will build back better bill. and so today, dramatically, five u.s. military veterans who formally advised senator sinema, announced that they have right
dynamic pfizer group in protest from her behavior, they can no longer work for her when she manages to be one of the principal instruments to progress. to dramatize make clear why they're doing with they did, they put out this video today, which i think is a pretty powerful statement. >> dear senator sinema, as members of your veterans advisory council, we feel as though we are being used as window dressing for your own image, and now to provide council on what's best for arizonans, you've consistently ignored feedback urging you to act on three issues to help our veterans, we must protect voting right by passing the freedom to vote acts. we are appalled by your failure to address this issue, you campaigned on low prescription drug costs, now you propose the build back better act, are you proposing to answer to big donors rather than arizonans. you are no-show on the
commission to investigate the insurrection, these are not the actions of a maverick. as such, we respectfully resign from your veteran's counsel, data almond. calling senator sinema to support the build back better act now. support the builwe are appallede to adjust voting by its, your fifth opposing -- i think that's fairly saying action. again, those veterans that were part of the advisory committee to senator sinema, i should tell you that the veteran who narrates that video, who just resigned from senator sinema's advisory council impetus, she's going to be -- on lawrence donna that you want to see. lots of people sort of going beyond just advocacy, and putting themselves on the line here. it's a busy day, not busy week we've got lots of pressure coming from all directions on the decision-makers right now,
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media platform donald trump is going to launch this spring. his advisers said it was going to be the hottest ticket in social media. it was going to completely redefine the game! when this game redefining social media service launched, it turned out to be just a blog that looked like it was visiting from the 19 nineties. trump ran that for a few weeks and shut it down before it got to be one month old reportedly because he couldn't stand the mockery over its hilariously low traffic. act too was something called get her. yet who? got her! a pro trump social media app. not a blog, this one's a nap, launched by one of trump's former advisers.
that one has been hilarious from the get-go, as soon as it launched all the personal information of all of its initial users was exposed. hackers immediately took over the accounts of a whole bunch of high-profile trump world figures. it was kind of an open book. then, [laughs] next, the entire site was overrun with pro isis propaganda. literally beheading videos and stuff. that was nice, that was a nice next move there. you know? it may be the third efforts of charm here, mr. trump says he is launching a new social media service. not the blob, not get her, get her. no, some other thing. from the moment he made the announcement last night, it's kind of familiar. for one thing, this supposedly new social media platform appears to be being him taking somebody else is off the shelf software in calling it a new thing. it's literally run on free open
source software anyone can use to build a thing that looks like twitter but isn't twitter. also, when trump made his big announcement last night, his team apparently forgot to do anything to protect or prepare the test version of this thing that was online. the washington post described how apple happened next. how apple happened next.
not only does he intend to launch a social media network, he has done so far, announced he's raising money for this venture through what is essentially a shell company. a company insists with a straight face is worth 1.7 billion dollars. the pick video alone, come on. he's happily accepting donations, i mean investments, from any and all of his supporters who would like to invest in this obviously very profitable business venture with him. i'm sure it'll be nothing like any of the other groups he is marketed to his fans and supporters over the years. speaking of alleged scams, as we reported last night, it does look like there is another criminal investigation into the former president and his company that is nearly underway. this one by a new york state prosecutor and west chester county north of new york city. the district attorney there, developed mitts first reported
by the new york times subpoenaed records from trump's golf course in west chester county as well as records from the town where that golf course is located. this appears to be an investigation into whether trump and his company lied to tax authorities in order to reduce the property tax bill associated with this golf course. we showed you last night what this might look like. this example from one year, 2016 in that one near the town assessed the value of the trump golf course at $15 million for tax purposes. the trump organization said, no, that's ridiculous. it is worth less than a tenth of that! it's worth one point $4 million, that's what we should be taking paying taxes on. that same year, trump on his financial disclosure form as a presidential candidate decreed the golf club was worth over $50 million. you know, lying is one thing, but lying to tax authorities for the purpose of reducing your tax burden? that's a crime, and that
appears to be what's under investigation by yet another state prosecutor, even as the trump organization is already under felony indictments by another prosecutor in new york state for alleged tax evasion at his business in manhattan. joining us now is danya perry, she served as a deputy attorney general in the state of new york. she helped us understand the implications of -- thanks for being here. >> thanks rachel. eing her e. >>i've laid out the basics of what we know about this investigation so far. looking at those basics, given what you know about new york state well and what a district attorney might pursue in a case like this, what potential crimes do you think this prosecutor might be looking at. what do you see as the potential scope here? >> well, from the reporting we've seen so far, i think it
was carefully worded according to sources in the new york times. but the west chester district attorney's office is looking at is whether or not tax officials were misled by some of the evaluations the trump organization provided in the assessment of its property taxes for many years, i believe from 2015 on. the question is not, i think, going to be -- let me back up for a moment. the town ultimately settled after years of litigation with the trump organization. they came to a negotiated number that was far less than what the town had assessed, but far more than one of the trump organization had been pressing. what i think is going to be the rug here is not -- there is no such thing here as
an objective value of the property. the town signed off on it, the judge signed, off the school board signed off. it's -- where they're any false or manipulated inputs, i, think into that value the trump organization put on the property. i think what's the investigators in west chester are looking at is how did the trump organization come to this evaluation? what did they tell the town and where they're any objective metrics that were being played with? i think that's what it sounds like it's starting with. of course it could branch out into falsification of business records for sure. if they were false statements made in that court case. of course there could be obstruction or perjury charges. i think it will flow from the
question of what the inputs were and how that evaluation was arrived at. and how that settlement was come to. >> one of the things the new york times reported about this investigation, danya, is a longtime former fdny prosecutor -- again, this is a state case we are talking about. a man named elliott jacobson, according to the time, spent more than three decades as a prosecutor, came out of retirement to take on work in the public corruption bureau in this da's office, also taking on this trump golf course investigation specifically. you, as a former prosecutor, i wonder how that resonates to you, and how we should understand the importance of the facts somebody or that kind of record as a federal prosecutor has come on board, come out of retirement specifically to home something like this?
>> i think it's significant. elliott was a prosecutor for over three decades in the southern district of new york. he was a state and local prosecutor before that. he comes with decades of experience, particularly in the white-collar space. public corruption and tax fraud investigations. he is known as a meticulous investigator. someone who is anything but the kind of knee jerk hothead looking to go out and witch hunt. that is being portrayed. he is going to build this case. if he does, brick by brick, and federal prosecutors are trained differently than local prosecutors. they typically build out investigations that are proactive rather than reactive. the fact he is on board has come out of retirement for this, which is i think is significant
which is something they're looking at quite seriously. he is local, lived in west chester for his whole career. this is very much a local issue at the end of the day. it seems -- and there was upset, because there was a large tax refund. at the end of the day, that was issued to this luxury golf course that literally came out of the pockets of the local school meal programs and schools to pry supplies and the like. this seems to me there was no doubt complaints. those were listened to and someone with the skill set, and the experience to build that case was probably brought aboard very carefully. danya perry, who is the deputy chief of the criminal division of west and why, thank you for helping us put this in context
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