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to offer. we don't. the people of west virginia and the state of west virginia, we have a lot to offer and we want to move on. you know. we're going to have a rally in charleston at 4:00 and we want everyone to join us. >> well, pam garrison, we need to bring you back. we are out of time. so thank you so much. that is the reidout. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight, the house votes to hold steve bannon in contempt. >> if you act deliberately with sneering, cavalier contempt for the american people, we will hold you in contempt. >> congressman jamie raskin on bannon's contempt and the high stakes decision for the justice department. then, beaten by the trump mob on january 6th, metropolitan police officer michael fanone
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joins us with reaction to today's big vote. >> i'm glad that they voted to enforce the subpoena. i want accountability. >> and the lieutenant governor of texas offered a big reward to fine voter fraud. >> i set this program up, shannon, to mirror crime stoppers. i have up to a million dollars from my campaign that i will give them. >> tonight, the lieutenant governor of pennsylvania on how one of his constituents is finally collecting a check. >> my dude owes me at least $2 million. >> when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. today, the house of representatives voted to refer one of donald trump's closest allies, steve bannon, to the department of justice for possible criminal contempt charges. bannon, who was the chief executive officer of trump's 2016 campaign then went on to serve as white house chief strategist and senior counselor to the president has just defied
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a subpoena from the house committee investigating january 6th. the vote was bipartisan. nine republicans joining all democrats in votes yes. they were liz cheney and adam kinsinger. peter myer. john catco of new york, who you may remember, he initially negotiated the bipartisan deal to investigate the insurrection that was then sort of rejected by republican leadership. anthony gonzalez of ohio. once an up and coming republican who is retiring. he said largely because of the maga hordes and jamie herrera butler of washington. all of whom voted to impeach donald trump last year over the insurrection. two other votes. nancy mace of south carolina and brian fitzpatrick of pennsylvania also voted yes today. interestingly, the brother of former vice president, mike pence, who you may recall was the subject of the hang mike
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pence chants and had to flee for his safety on january 6th, his brother did not vote. the vast majority of republican members of the house, 202 of them, voted to allow steve bannon to skirt. jim banks of indiana issued this call an hour before the vote. >> the select committee is engaged in an unconstitutional, political investigation. a sham investigation. conducted by a sham committee. that refuses to answer real questions about what happened on january 6th. i urge all of my colleagues to make the moral vote. do the right thing. i urge you to vote for the rule of law, for the institution of congress and against the select committee's dangerous abuse of congress' oversight authority. >> now, let's remember who we are talking about here. who the subject of this contempt is.
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last year, in august, steve bannon was arrested on a $35 million yacht belonging to a chinese billionaire where he was apparently chilling out. he was charged with defrauding donald trump die hard supporters. the kind of people who would donate their money to an online scheme, allegedly, to help build the wall on the southern border. it was called we build the wall. the effort collected more than $25 million and prosecutors said mr. bannon used nearly 1 million of it for personal expense. just to be clear, those were not like him building the wall. they were just him doing his thing. then after the election in the lead up to january 6th, we know that bannon was involved in donald trump's, you know, insurrection plot. his plot to overturn the election. he spoke to trump a week before the attack on the capitol. encouraged him to focus on january 6th. that's the day of course the electoral votes would be admitted and counted.
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bannon was also present at a meeting on january 5th at the willard hotel held to try to persuade members of congress to block the certification of the election and on that same day, bannon made these damning comments on his podcast. >> listen, all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. just understand this. all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it's going to be move, it's going to be quick. >> and a special extra podcast episode because he is a hard working podcaster, on the evening of january 5th, bannon described what was coming in even more detail. >> this is going to be very controversial. we are going into uncharted waters. going into something that's never happened before in american history. tomorrow, it's going to be pulling the trigger on something. it's going to be minute by minute, hour by hour what happens. the stakes couldn't be higher. >> now then, remember, having been nabbed on the chinese billionaire's yacht and indicted
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by the government of defrauding trump supporters and still facing up to 40 years in prison for fraud, bannon was saved by donald trump's pardon on his last day in office. but of course, that pardon did not cover bannon's role in the insurrection. today's referral now goes to the department of justice, which will decide whether or not to charge bannon with criminal contempt. now for some historical context, the last time the department of justice prosecuted someone for contempt of congress was nearly four decades ago. back in 1983 when a reagan administration official with the environmental protection agency refused to testify without her management of the agency's hazardous waste clean up fund and congress voted unanimously, across party lines, to refer her for contempt prosecution. so there's precedent, but as you can tell, it's pretty rare. it's now up to attorney general garland to determine what happens next for bannon.
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jamie raskin is a democrat in maryland who serves on the committee. today's vote came down, i would say roughly where i thought it was. if i had to give an over under, probably a few more republican votes than i would have guessed. what did you think? >> yeah, more republican votes than i was expecting given that kevin mccarthy was whipping the vote very hard to try to get everybody on the side of not issuing the criminal contempt referral for bannon. and so i was pleased to see there were a number of people on the republican side who voted to impeach donald trump also in this group, but there were also some new ones like nancy mace from south carolina who is my counterpart on the oversight subcommittee on civil rights and civil liberties. she just said she believes in the rule of law and how can congress with a straight face go forward and ever issue subpoenas
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again if we're not going to stand by our subpoenas? more power to these people who stood by the rule of law. >> yeah, nancy mace statement making the point, a good one, if you have an immunity you want to assert, you've got to come down and assert it. the sort of going out of his way, as you said on the floor, show his contempt for the subpoena, was essentially insult to the institution of congress and i thought, you know, that was well put by her. >> that's the way it works, you know. if you get subpoenaed by a court or by congress to come down and testify, you think you might have a fifth amendment privilege, you take all of the questions starting with what is your name, your address. when you get to a question when you think you might incriminate yourself as to a bank robbery, insurrection, you say i take the fifth amendment.
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at that point, the committee has an option. will they accept it or give you use immunity, which means you've got to testify, but we will guarantee that nothing you testify about will be used against you. >> all right, so whose office is this in right now? this referral? >> it's at the u.s. attorney for the district of columbia. and the statute, well, can be read to either give them some flexibility or the way that jim gordon read it back to the eric older contempt or the lois lerner contempt. must go before the grand jury to demand an indictment. but we think that it's very likely given that the gravity of this matter is so overwhelming and that the facts are so clear that he just blew us off that we think that the department of justice will move forward. of course, we're not putting all our eggs in one basket because we're continuing to do what are we need to do to obtain his
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testimony as we've compelled it. >> what is the timeline, or your understanding of the timeline? it seems like once again we're in the situation of there's the law and the timeline of the investigation and the obvious thing steve bannon and donald trump like to do is delay it until you can't keep doing it or it's too long in the future. >> no, we won't tolerate perpetual denial here. remember, we're collecting evidence every day. the vast majority of people we've reached out to are testifying voluntarily. meeting with the community. we're picking on lots of information and our goal is to present a comprehensive and detailed portrait of the details of january 6th, the causes, then what we need to do to prevent this from ever happening again, but we're not going to let anything drag on for eight months, nine months, ten months. we're on a much more rapid
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timetable. if you think about it, what could be a more important issue than the safety of congress and the security of democracy itself moving the future? and the way we see it is this insurrection/coup is really still going with the big lie. just today, president trump issued a statement asserting that the insurrection was on november 3rd. the day of the election is what he's calling the insurrection. again, to further confuse people and to cloud the issue. that demonstrates we're in continuing danger. >> speaking of which, there was a strange moment today in the halls of congress that i saw you speak to and i just wanted to get firsthand from you in which marjorie taylor greene, a freshman congresswoman from georgia who doesn't have any committees and she tweets a lot, i guess. she approached you and liz cheney, i believe. what happened? >> well, first, she started
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shouting at me, when are you going to start to investigate the violence at black lives matter protest? i said we should look into kyle riten house and the violence that was ginned up. she began to mix it up with liz cheney. i couldn't follow all of it. obviously it's been a continuing conversation there. but the part that i caught was when congresswoman green was saying something to the effect of she never said that. about jewish space lasers. that was made up by the media. >> you should never use the phrase jewish space laser. the california was may have been started by space lasers possibly under the control of the rothchild family. i want to make sure that claim is very clear. >> i think she's pressing that same point.
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>> no. you know, people should know what she said. final thing is is it a bit, is it, is she doing a world wrestling heel thing? is it a person? what's the deal? >> i mean, it's hard to know. i mean, she seems to be inspired by a lot of the qanon mythologies and stories out there. she certainly had a lot of contempt herself for liz cheney. and you know, liz cheney has become a hero to millions of americans by her constitutional patriotism by the fact she's standing up for the rule of law. far beyond a particular political party or particular political leader. but i think her colleagues in the republican conference are regarding her with great derision and contempt right now. they're basically seeing her as the anti-trump. you can choose trump or cheney.
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>> congressman, thank you very much for your time. >> thank you so much, chris. metropolitan police officer, michael fanone, has been outspoken in his fight to get some accountability for the attack on january 6th. so i wanted to talk to him after the house vote today to see what he thinks about the investigation, get his reaction to the rioters who say they were acting on trump's behalf. that interview, next. s behalf that interview, next all these other things too. it can all add up. kesimpta is a once-monthly at-home injection... that may help you put these rms challenges in their place. kesimpta was proven superior at reducing the rate of relapses, active lesions, and slowing disability progression vs aubagio. don't take kesimpta if you have hepatitis b, and tell your doctor if you have had it, as it could come back. kesimpta can cause serious side effects, including infections. while no cases of pml were reported in rms
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metropolitan police officer, michael fanone, said he could tell based on the tenor of the speeches from former president trump and his allies that it was going to be a difficult day, but he was not expecting a violent insurrection where he would be beaten under a blue lives matter flag and repeatedly tase the base of his skull. thankfully, he says he's doing well both mentally and physically. he says the trauma that day is exacerbated politicians who refuse to acknowledge. >> what makes the struggle harder and more painful is to know so many of my fellow citizens including so many of the people i put my life at risk to defend are downplaying or denying what happened. i feel like i went to hell and
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back to protect them and the people in this room. but too many are now telling me that hell doesn't exist. or that hell actually wasn't that bad. the indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful. >> and metropolitan police officer, michael fanone, joins me now. it's good to have you back and i wanted to first get your reaction to the vote today, voting to issue this subpoena for steve bannon who's sort of just kind of thumbed his nose at the committee. nine republicans voting yes. all democrats voting yes. and 209 republicans voting no. what do you think of that? >> well i'm glad that they voted to enforce the subpoena. i mean, i'm coming at this from a law enforcement perspective. you know, we serve subpoenas pretty frequently. we certainly don't need to take
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a vote of like the entire, i don't know, d.c. u.s. attorney's office or the metropolitan police department to come to the conclusion that a subpoena needs to be enforced. i mean, i feel bad for the members of the committee that have to go through this kind of, you know, circus, just to enforce a subpoena. >> it's interesting you just said that because i think you point to something that hangs over this entire story. you're a police officer. you've spent your life and career as a police officer and policing in america can be a very fraught topic. it can be polarizing in certain ways and yet the thing that stands out in this story is a group of people show up to the capitol and violently assault a bunch of police officers. in some cases, under a literal blue lives matter flag. you know, saying that they are there, you know, on the side of police against the unruly mobs.
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i want to show this clip from the hbo documentary on this. it shows this precise moment of you being assaulted underneath a blue lives matter flag. take a look. >> i looked back to my right and mike was gone. he just wasn't there anymore. a mob grabbed him, started pulling him down and i was just like, oh, no, this guy's, like dead. a member of the crowd grabbed me and i remember hearing him yell out, you know, i got one. >> i got one! >> you can see that blue lives matter flag waving over that assault. i wonder how you think about
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when you see that footage. how the protestors see themselves in relation to law enforcement. how republicans talk about law enforcement and square that with what happened that day and what's happened subsequently. >> i mean, i think this ties into a conversation that i've been having with my colleagues for quite some time. i don't want police officers to be politicized. none of us do. law enforcement does not want to be politicized. unfortunately, you know, we've been pulled into the political arena over the past, i don't know, eight, ten years. and it's been you know, detrimental to our effectiveness and our ability to do our jobs. i mean, you know, there are some groups of people that love the
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police until they are preventing them from overthrowing, you know, the capitol complex and the government and there's other people that hate the police until they need a police officer. it's just, it's unfortunate. >> one of the individuals who assaulted you or allegedly assaulted you, i should say, had a court date and his legal team is arguing as a kind of, you know, exculpatory argument that he believed he was told by the president of the united states to do this. the legal team of the trump supporter who tased a d.c. metropolitan officer, michael fanone, during the january 6th insurrection has claimed he was acting upon former president donald trump's authorization that of course a grain of salt claim. it's a legal claim, but i wonder what you think of that.
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>> i mean, i don't want to comment on the specifics of you know, any of the criminal investigations that are taking place. specifically those in which i might be called as a witness. but i mean, i watched the documentary and it seems to be a common theme or common thread amongst individuals that participated in the insurrection at the capitol building that day, that they were acting under the orders of, or felt they had been directed and ordered by the president of the united states in my opinion, you're still responsible for your actions whether you felt like you were authorized or not. ultimately, you're reasonable responsible for your actions. if i receive an order that i feel to be unlawful and i choose to carry out that order as a
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police officer, i'm still responsible for the outcome. >> you are back on the force, the metropolitan police department. i know that you had some leave after what had happened and i'm just wondering how you're doing. >> i mean, in some respect, i'm glad to be back. i'm still on a limited duty. i'm looking forward to returning to full duty status. getting back to work. >> have you, i'm wondering what you feel like you've learned from the experience that you've gone through, which has been i think not one that you anticipated from the moments that you were there in that crowd to the aftermath, your testimony before the house committee. your, the friendship that i think you formed with a lot of those capitol police officers that were there that day and how
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you think about what's taken place in the last nine months that you now have had a little time to sort of process it all. >> i mean, i can tell you one thing. i've learned that i've got no taste for politics. or the political arena. i've always kind of been a no bullshit kind of guy and it seems to me like the only thing that, that our you know, elected leaders do well is bullshit. so you will not see me running for any elected office. whether it's the pta or congress. you know, i enjoy being a police officer. i feel bad for my colleagues at u.s. capitol police. a lot of effort has been put into analyzing the failures of
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that day. whether it was, you know, their leadership within the department. command structure. but i think that a lot of the officers don't feel like the, you know, recommendations there have been put into place. i hope that those officers are afforded the resources, training, and manpower that they need to accomplish their mission and i also hope that there's a change in the leadership structure of the department. >> last question for you, michael. i know that you had been on capitol hill and had tried to meet with members across the aisle. i think you had had productive meetings with members.
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some on the republican side had not wanted to meet with you and i'm wondering if that's changed. if there are open lines of communication from some of those members who have not kind of, i think, unified in the view that the committee, to their mind, is what they call a partisan witch hunt. >> yeah. again, i've talked about all i want and a lot of my colleagues that i speak with want is accountability for that day. me, i want accountability both at the micro level, which includes individuals who are criminally culpable for their actions on january 6th. lawmakers whose rhetoric may have been incited or maybe they committed some overt action which resulted in the event of january 6th. i want, you know, i want law enforcement to learn lessons from what happened that day.
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but on a macro level, i want this country to engage in a broader discussion that's, you know, above politics. you know, donald trump ultimately, i don't believe was responsible for bringing us to where we're at. the divisiveness that exists in this country, he just exploited it for his own personal gain. but if we're not going to have that conversation, we're not going to engage in it honestly, you know, we're doomed to repeat the activities of january 6th. >> officer michael fanone of the metropolitan police department. it's great to talk to you again. i'm glad to see you're doing well. i hope i get to talk to you again soon. >> thank you, sir. nearly a year after offering a cash bounty to anyone who could turn over evidence of voter fraud, texas lieutenant
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one week after the presidential election after all the major news outlets had delaired joe biden the winner, dan patrick announced a reward for anyone who could provide evidence of voter fraud that led to a conviction. this is how he explained it on fox news. >> i set this program up to mirror crime stoppers and crime stoppers, there are people out there who apparently didn't want to come forward on a major crime until there was a little incentive. so i believe there are people who have a lot of information involved in voter fraud look at wisconsin. look at michigan. look at pennsylvania. look at georgia. and if they come forward and it lead to an arrest and conviction like crime stoppers, i have up to a million dollars from my
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campaign and i'll give them a minimum of $25,000, depending on how severe the case is, how big the case is. maybe the whole million. >> you can see the insidious toxicity of the big lie starting right away. patrick was offering to take potentially a million dollars that texans had donated to him for re-election and distribute it to some election version of dog the bounty hunter so he could try to nail some cheating democrats. perhaps to his surprise, the lieutenant governor of texas found a taker in the democratic lieutenant governor of pennsylvania, john fetterman. fetterman relentlessly trolled him with examples of voter fraud so often that a fox news host read one on the air live to dan patrick himself. >> you have offered up or set up a million dollar fund for people who are able to come to you with proven cases or evidence of fraud. that will the pennsylvania lieutenant governor, your counterpart. he wants to take you up on that. he says this, hey, governor
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patrick. i'd like to collect your handsome reward for reporting voter fraud. i got a dude in 44 pennsylvania, is that a real town? i guess it is. trying to have his dead mom vote for trump. i'd like mine in gift cards, please. the cowboys blow. he added that part. >> just a few days after that, he told rachel maddow -- >> my dude owes me at least $2 million. we had two instances of voter fraud in pennsylvania that involved republicans having relatives vote for donald trump. one living, one dead. we had a dead mom try to vote and we had a republican father who voted for trump in chester county and then left about half an hour later and came back wearing sunglasses and tried to vote for his son, who was a democrat. so this wasn't the best and brightest.
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>> despite all that, dan patrick almost made it an entire year without having to make good on his bounty. until now. that republican father who tried to vote for his democratic son in pennsylvania, that he told rachel about in november, the dallas morning news reports that he was turned in by a progressive poll worker named eric frank from you guessed it, pennsylvania, and that is now the first and only lieutenant dan voter fraud bounty, $25,000 was paid to a democrat for uncovering voter fraud by a republican. the spokesman for dan patrick declined to comment the payout. not sure if anyone is happier than fetterman. he joins me now. what do you think? you helped get it done. >> i mean, he still needs to make it rain in pennsylvania. we have deceased mothers voting
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for the former president then the one my colleague paid the handsome reward to returns in sunglasses case that you referred to, who was a living father, voted for his democratic son. so by our calculation, we have four more cases that were convictions. so it would seem so me that there's again, some more rewards that need to be paid out. >> yeah, 100 k by my quick on-air math. yeah. here's the thing, too, that i think is actually brilliant about that. how many votes were cast in pennsylvania? 5 million votes? >> nearly 7 million during the election and that's what is so outrageous about it. is five cases out of nearly 7 million ballots cast, you have a greater chance of actually winning the lottery than encountering genuine voter fraud in pennsylvania during the election. >> this is the point that's
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actually really important. i think people watching this program probably know this already, but what you see and what dan patrick was trying to do, right, is to cultivate this notion of there's this widespread thing that's happening all over the place and people are afraid to bring it up. it's of course become kind of tannin for conservatives and maga folks that this is the case. and when you actually like really bear down, you actually really, really incentivize people to go find it, out of 7 million votes cast, you end up the five in pennsylvania, all of whom committed the fraud on behalf of donald trump. >> yeah. i mean, it's a startling statistic to realize that out of nearly 7 million ballot, only five are fraudulent. it's hilarious that they were republicans. voting for president trump. when the reverse of the narrative is constantly spun that it's democrats that are cheating, but in pennsylvania, again, 7 million ballots cast. 5 million for president trump.
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they were all caught, charged, arrested, convicted and now they're on probation. we're batting 1,000 in terms of stamping out voter fraud in our state and as a result, joe biden still won by more than 80,000 votes. >> the texas governor, greg abbott, the position of secretary of state in texas had been unfilled and unlike many states where it's an elected position, it's appointed by the governor. today, he appointed a lawyer named john scott who is part of donald trump's team trying to block the certification of pennsylvania's election. what do you think about someone working on that issue? trying to stop your state's votes from counting now being tasked with running the elections in the state of texas? >> i mean, it's like, it's like drafting a player from a team that went 1-59 the last season. so i mean this wasn't exactly -- this wasn't a talent farm that really generated a lot of
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victories. again, it does illustrate in my mind that texas isn't serious about actual voter fraud because when you analyze actual voter fraud, it's five cases out of 7 million ballots like in pennsylvania. we did two risks limited audits. one was a statistical one generated by law and another one, which had 63 out of our 67 counties participated in and found zero evidence of any fraud whatsoever. i mean, these results were secure and we knew exactly that they were true. >> well, i don't know if you got $100,000 in sheets gift cards coming your way, but we'll continue to monitor that. >> 50 for sheets. 50 for huawei. >> that's a pennsylvania politician right there. michael daley is here with a look at the police union meltdowns over covid mitigation
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john cattanzaro joined the chicago police department in 1995 and has had a bit of a troubled past. in 2017 he posted this image for himself with a sign saying, i stand for the anthem, i love the american flag, i support my president and the second amendment. he was suspended for that. but that was not his first run-in. according to pro publica, he was suspended seven times for a total of 111 days. just to give some perspective on how rare these suspensions are, only seven other officers on the job since 1995 have been suspended that many times. last year, may of 2020, he was elected president of the chicago police union, despite the fact that to chicago police superintendents have independently tried to fire him and that he is relieved of his powers and under investigation by the department. and in february of this year, he was suspended again without pay for a laundry list of things like making obscene and
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inflammatory social media posts, filing a false report, and being insubordinate to supervisors. after the trump mob stormed the capitol and injured about 140 officers, he said it was, quote, not the level of violence we saw across many parts of the country this past summer during the black lives matter protests. >> i didn't see anybody literally throwing frozen bottles, bricks, or shooting fireworks at the police. they were simply trying to push past the police to get access to the building. >> now, that's not accurate, as you can all see. he later apologized for that. and now he's facing off against chicago mayor lori lightfoot over her requirement that all city employees either get vaccinated or test twice a week until the end of the year when they will all have to be vaccinated. in response he said, i'm quoting here, we're in america, goddamn it, we don't want to be forced to do anything, period, this isn't nazi f-ing germany, step into the f-ing showers, the pills one hurt you, what the f.
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he later apologized for that too. a judge ordered him to stop making posts after he implored fellow cops to hold the line in resisting mitigation efforts even though coronavirus was the leading cause of death for police officers both this year and in 2020. michael daly, special correspondent for the daily beast, had an interview with a celebrated chicago police veteran who said, quote, chicago police, go get fully vaccinated, stop listening to all these fricking mopes. michael daly joins me now. who is this police officer you talked to for this piece? >> he's a rough and tumble cop. when i was interfering him, he called out to his wife, he said, when did i get shot in the head? she said, 1992. he says, yeah, 1992, i got shot in the head. he could have retired on a
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disability, he was determined to go back. he came back, got in a car chase involving a kidnapping, and he got banged up badly in that. that led to a foot chase where he had a massive heart attack. and he ended up out on a disability in 2000. so he's -- but all he wanted to do was keep being a cop, he loved being a cop. and there came a day, last november, he's sitting in his kitchen, his wife's out, he's sitting there in the kitchen, he's been in a wheelchair on and off, he's disabled, he's feeling pretty down. all of a sudden he reads a newspaper article about a vaccine trial for johnson & johnson vaccine. and he goes, this is it, this is what i've been waiting for, because in his mind, all of a sudden, here is a chance to undergo a little risk and maybe save thousands of lives, and what's better than that? if you're a real c-o-p. so he figures, i'm going to do
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this. they're thrilled to have him, they usually get people who are reasonably well-put-together. he's banged up, his lungs are messed up from rescuing people from carbon monoxide, suicide attempts, fires. he's got the bullet wound. he's still recovering from all the injuries from the car wreck. he's their kind of guy because if he can survive this vaccine, anybody can. he joins the trial. he says, i really -- they say it's double blind or placebo. he says, i want the real stuff. so give me the real stuff. then comes the day that they unblind the trial and he finds out he got the real stuff, so now he's thrilled. now the vaccine has been approved and he figures he's going to tell his old cop buddies and they'll go, yeah, it figures jack would do something like that. and then they would be complimentary because he had done this great thing to save lives. he said, what happened was they
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called me a lab rat. what he had not known, being outside actually being a cop, was how much misinformation and poison kind of filters back into these guys and how when they feel that there's this political divide, they start accepting everything that comes from what they view as their side and start resisting anything that comes from the other side. and all of a sudden he's a lab rat. and he's really -- he's not happy about the cops that won't take the vaccine. i mean, he went through all this trouble to get a vaccine, and they won't take it? i mean, that is what you wish -- that's what leadership should touch in cops, the part of them that really loves being a cop, that wants to protect and serve, like it says on the side of the radio car. and the really good ones, that's what they want to do. if you touch that, you can get them to do it.
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this stuff with the union leaders, "we don't like being told what to do," if you look up the regulations, you not only have to wear bulletproof vests, it dictates what side the labels are, where the labels are placed. they have to wear seatbelts. those charges he got, those are all things they're told to do that he didn't do. >> there's something remarkable about the backlash to it, precisely for that reason, one, because it's about public safety fundamentally, and two, you know, yeah, these are not -- we're not talking about -- it's not a montessori school. this is not an organization where you don't have a lot of rules and regulations and stuff you have to do. >> no, but the sad thing is this all played out in a police union, where fallen officers are honored in washington, and the families of four chicago cops who died of covid were there. all this is going on while
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you've got these cops who died of covid, four cops died of covid, out of five that died lath year. one young woman was shot to death, a cop was shot in the eye. you can't say these cops were afraid of the needles, because they're out there making collars and they're taking their lives in their hands every time they do. but this thing with the vaccine, i don't think it's fear, i think it's something else. i think we're all trying to figure out exactly what it is. it's sad when it affects people who are supposed to be our protectors, because if you don't get that vaccine, you're endangering other people, i don't care what you say. >> that's exactly right. michael daly, you can read the piece in the daily beast, it's always a pleasure. that's "the rachel maddow
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show" coming up. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, thank you, my friend. very rarely does a politician have to put his money where his mouth is. i can't remember the last time we had a story where a politician made a public bet and they had to pay off when they lost the bet. but that has finally happened. and look, we have the check, we have the actual check that shows the guy having to pay up. the far right former right wing radio host who is now the lieutenant governor of texas, his name is dan patrick, this is a check drawn on his campaign funds, you see in the upper left hand corner, texans for dan patrick. the check is drawn on his campaign funds. it is for $25,000. payable to a young man named eric frank. eric frank is a young man who you are about to meet. i almost could not believe this story was real until


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