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thank you so much for letting is into your homes during these extraordinary times. we're grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> hi. welcome to the beat and i'm ari melber. later, a new problem for maga leader matt gaetz. but we begin right now with this action on the house floor today where congress took the grave step of green lighting a path to jail for resistant witness. this is a big vote you see on your screen.
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holding trump aide steve bannon in contempt, 229 to 202. wild democrats led the effort it was bipartisan we nine republicans joining in a statement that the rule of law matters. >> on this vote, the ye a's are 229 and the ayes are 202 and the resolution is adopted and the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. >> and there it is. the most concrete next step would come at the department of justice, which must decide whether to indict and prosecute bannon if he continues to de lie a lawful subpoena and acing on that would be controversial given the intense views of the the allies or insurrectionist. but if the doj doesn't act, that failure to enforce the subpoena would also be controversial given the issues here, the rule of law and the message it risks sending to any other defiant
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witnesses who might see that ignoring subpoenas would, if there is no action, have little consequence. this will certainly be one of the first big tests that we know about of attorney general merrick garland ho referred to this process which is a criminal referral without tipping his hand. >> the department recognized the important over sight rule that this committee and house of representatives and the senate play with respect to the executive branch. >> everyone should have the ability to vote as readily and easily as possible. the department of justice will do what it always does in such circumstances. we'll apply the facts and the law and make a decision consistent with the principles of prosecution. >> i'm joining now by melissa murray and emily bazelon. and professor, the attorney general there was measured and
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vague as fits his position. contrast that to what we heard on the house floor in this big vote today. take a listen. >> we need to give the american people answers about what happened. there needs to be swift accountability. >> congress is prohibited from conducting criminal investigations, period. but that is exactly what this select committee is doing. >> i have no doubt that mr. bannon scorn for his subpoena is real. but no one and i repeat no one is above the law and we need to hear from him. >> because they can't build back better, they've just decided to build back meaner. >> we know an insurrection when we see one. in this body, because we lived through one. >> professor. >> right, i think we're seeing the erosion of norms that we saw throughout the entire four years of the trump presidency.
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typically these requests for over sight subpoenas or any kind of congressional subpoenas is a give and take between the person and the administration and congress itself. but what we saw over the course of the trump administration was a complete stonewalling. no negotiation between the two branches on the assertion of executive privilege at every turn and we've seen that here as well and what you're seeing in the difference in the posture between the attorney general and the members of congress is that this is a house committee with not a lot of cards to play beyond referring it to the department of justice and hoping that political pressure from the public itself will prompt the department to take action, to deal with these recalcitrant witnesses. >> and what do you think garland will do, professor? >> he wasn't tipping his hand. as you said, i think there is strong pressure here to do something about what is going on and the insurrection of january 6 is obviously a big black hole for a number of americans who may want answers and it
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certainly may be the case that there are members perhaps even in congress who don't want their answers to be provided. so i would imagine that there is considerable pressure within the administration and certainly at the department of justice to move forward to do something to compel these individuals to testify. >> emily? >> well, i think it is worth adding to melissa's point how weakly glee bannon's claim of invoking executive privilege. he was not a lawyer or a government official in the days leading up to january 6 so a concept that the president has this zone of confidentiality or privilege around the people closing advising him within the government. >> that is not relevant here. and the other point that is important is that congress is in a real bind and it is a historical bind. congress has been recognized to have the power to enforce
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subpoenas to investigate since the 1820s. but congress has not criminally enforced a subpoena by calling the sergeant at arms and detaining someone since 1935. and the reason for that is that congress doesn't have an army. and this is not viewed any more as kind of a normal part of congressional power. the courts have been in the last few decades very reluctant to get into the middle of these disputes over subpoenas between the two elected branches. and so that is why i think it seems like such a heavy lift to imagine the attorney general and the department of justice enforcing this subpoena when, in fact, courts criminally enforce subpoenas quite regularly, melissa? >> well, they do. the thing here though is that to get a court to intervene in this kind of branch warfare is going to take a lot of time. there are already lawsuits still pending in the lower federal courts on some of the subpoena fights from the trump
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administration. so if the question is surfacing, the truth about what happened on january 6, it would seem like ex pead wednesday is the key thing. and as emily said, this is typically not a situation that the branches want to get into it is something that they resolve through negotiation and compromise. >> emily, what do you think garland will do? >> i think -- what do you think garland will do? i haven't faced that question head on. think he will enforce the subpoena but i'm not sure what the point of having congressional subpoena power is if it can't be invoked in this instance given how thin legally speaking bannon's reasons are for not appearing before congress. i mean, congress would -- or the courts could work with him after the fact what he is going to testify to. sometimes they agree beforehand
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that certain kinds of topics or time periods are beyond the bounds. but to have him refuse to not appear at all, that is really a slap in the face of congressional power and this this key area. >> and it goes back to a mystery because people, everyone saw what happened with the insurrection and the evidence came in in days after we got a sense of what unfolded. but the larger mystery to many people, it is easy to forget the shock and awe on that day, that night, the next morning, how did this many people organize this way, how did they reach the capitol and have the military positions, how do they seem to know each other and why did they have zip ties and targets and it adds up and you know why they were there. donald trump ajointed january 6 as the day to come. so was it just a wild mob-like excess of energy that built on
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an otherwise peaceful protest or was it something else and that would seem to be something the united states has a big interest in ascertaining. i'm reading just from the committee headlines about what they want to know. january 6 contempt fight heads to doj and it said one a december conversation late december here bannon and trump from politico and two, the january 5th meeting, i think we have this, with other figures of interest at d.c.'s willard hotel. jamie raskin who we just heard from in the round up, professor, said the willard is as far as the committee is concerned looks like insurrection headquarters. professor? >> i think you're actually right, ari. i think that the american people and certainly the congress has a huge stake in determining whether or not this was serendipity or citizen and finding out more about it is incredibly important.
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i imagine those who operate the willard hotel, i believe it is an intercontinental property could not be happy about the willard thrown around in these conversations. but what was happening on the days preceding january 6, who was in the room, the room where it happened, what was said, what was talked about and ultimately what did they propel people to do if anything. >> and in this case the room where it happened or the hotel lobby that leads to what we saw. and then finally on the breakdown in congress, emily, we could put on the screen about nine republicans as mentioned voted for contempt, that includes people like liz cheney, catco and upton and some are known for a national security concern here. what do you read into that remaining part of the republican party that both wants to uphold
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congress's powers which are nonpartisan and also seems to care to getting to the bottom of the insurrection. >> i think you have to give people credit for taking a political risk. we might wish this is the last partisan battle there was more widespread recognition in the republican party that january 6 was an attack on all of congress, not democrats, not democratic president biden on everybody. but that has not been the case and some of the members of congress, not just liz cheney but other people on your screen are paying a political price. and may lose the next time they run. and so the fact that they're sticking with this, that is a real thing. lots of members of congress don't like to take votes when they think it could cost them their seat. >> yeah, that is fair. emily bazelon and melissa murray, thank you both for kicking us off. we have other stories coming up. joe manchin saying maybe he did talk about partially leaving the democratic party.
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in washington, intrigue continues to swirl around conservative democratic senator joe manchin. he's got a new response to his report that he was at least discussing potentially leaving the democratic party, partially, this is amidst the high-profile and significant fight with progressives over the size of any biden spending package which is the biggest thing left on the democrats to-do list for the year. today the senator is conceding that in a way part of what was reported appears to be true in his words he did discuss a partial exist from the democratic party although he's putting it quite differently and he's not saying today that it was a leverage move with the spending battle. >> senator, have you ever had a plan to switch parties? have you ever -- >> no, i'll be very honest. only thing that was ever said that was talked about, if i'm an embarrassment to my democrat colleagues and my caucus, the
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president, me being a moderate centrist democrat, if that is a problem, i would switch to be an independent but i'd still be caucusing with democrats and i i said i'll make that offer if you need it. >> so there was discussion of a potential offer. may sound like parsing but what is interesting here is the conservative senator is admitting that they did discuss the hypothetical of leaving the party. but he's not confirming what was core to the biden part of the story that somehow this was his trump card so to speak with the spending clash and saying he'd only do it help the party. he said to help the party leaders. now, whatever you think of that, it does sound a little different from the way he categorically denied this story yesterday. >> i can't control rumors and [ bleep ]. it is [ bleep ]. spelled with a bull capital b.
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>> and people are allowed to change their tone or mood but it is in response to a story that was broke yesterday by mother jones david corn and which you may seen on msnbc. today manchin lending some credence to at least part of that report. now after manchin spoke out today, mr. corn responded his later spin is also not true. okay. seems that the journalist and the senator are in a little bit of a battle, i don't know if it is a bernie level battle and we'll get into the bottom of it when the journalist himself david corn when we're back in 60 seconds. rn when we're back in 60 seconds. fight back fast with tums chewy bites. fast heartburn relief in every bite. crunchy outside, chewy inside. ♪ tums, tums, tums, tums ♪ tums chewy bites before you go there, or there... start here.
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the wind blows. do we need a journalist to know which way senator manchin is blowing today? >> well he is blowing in a different direction than he was yesterday when he called the story that i and mother jones put out bull -- the rest. and he even spelled it out. but he called it a rumor. and then today after others had given the story credence, and its had gotten a lot of attention, this network and others, he then, you know, modified his story. which he could have told us yesterday or he could have told me before the story went up when i contacted his office and had several email exchanges and they refused to say anything about this. and even with this new story, which makes it look like this was an act of generosity on his part, to make things easier for chuck schumer, if it makes it easier for you chuck, i'm going to leave the party and call myself an independent and still caucus with you. that is not what he said in the conversations that are
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referenced in my story. the people who heard these conversations, joe manchin said that he was willing, he was ready to leave the party if negotiations this week broke down. and he had a whole set of responses. >> how recent was that according to your sourcing? >> well it was -- it was towards the beginning of this week. we're talking basically now. and two step process. first he would resign from his leadership role, he's vice chair of the democratic senate committee on communications and policy, that he would wait a week and see if that is that sent a signal and then he would leave the party entirely. so that doesn't sound like i'm here to help. >> i'm here to help. well let me push you on that, david. so reporters guard their sources understandably. >> yeah. >> but is it fair to intuit that
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you're sources include at least someone who directly heard this, who knows this and not just as he put it, rumor? >> yes. as we said in the story, according to people who heard the discussion, okay, hearing something means directly. >> yeah. >> so there is no doubt. this is impeccable sourcing. like all reporters have confidential sourcing would you love to be able to say more about it, but it is without a doubt -- now there is a possibility here that he's told different things to different people. i mean, politicians are known to do that. but and maybe he talked about leaving party in this way to chuck schumer and maybe talked about it in another way to the associates he was talking to -- >> and just to tease out -- just to tease out your point, that is not a denial of a core of your story if, indeed, he warned the democrats and specifically the
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liberals, hey, you better come closer to my number, i could bolt the whole thing. and then said to chuck schumer when he heard about it when they discussed it, this might make it easier for you. this all matters because it may hold the keys to where the bide end spending lands which is the biggest priority for the rest of the year and then next year they're heading toward midterms for your benefit, david and a lot of viewers know you and know your reporting for years, let's do it online on youtube, they sometimes call reaction videos, are you familiar with that john raw? >> yes. >> we're going to clay him calling your work b.s. and how he sounded today for you to see. go take a look. >> i can't control rumors. it is bull [ bleep ]. spelled with a b.u.l.l. capital b. >> if i'm an embarrassment to my caucus and the president, me
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being a moderate centrist democrat, if that caused you a problem let me show and i would switch to be an independent. >> so i have a light question and a serious one. my light question is, does it hurt your feelings when he called your work b.s. and my serious question is what does all of this now two days into it tell you about where the biden spending clash is headed? >> well it doesn't hurt my feelings because i knew the story was true. and i think we've seen the difference between wednesday afternoon joe and thursday morning joe there has been somewhat of a conversion here. so i feel that he saw that he was not going to win the b.s. argument. as for where it tands right now, he and others are still engaging in what i probably are very difficult negotiations. there is still a lot of differences, medicaid expansion,
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medicare expansion, climate change and the child tax credit and a lot of programs that are really important. i believe that ultimately as dr. johnson said and i've used this quote before, a hanging could concentrate one's mind. the democrats know if they don't get something done here, and that it is significant, they're going to have very low odds of holding the house and holding the senate a year from now. so it is in their -- in our political selfish political interest to make this work. right. so joe manchin is not up next year but i don't know if he wants to be in the minority even if he's an independent. so it is in their interest to reach some form of agreement. although he is pretty far out of step still philosophy and on the numbers an specifics from 98% of the rest of the caucus. so i don't know how they get there but i think at the end of the day they have no choice but
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to get there. >> yeah. and just to get your take here on the center of the storm. as for you mentioning you were reusing that quote, this is a beat, we do not tolerate reusing or recycling any quotes or lyrics, anything of that kind. so consider this a warning. >> it is a good riff. what is hip-hop all about except recycle. >> recycle and remixing, echoing. most culture is an echo and a tribute. on that note, you know what picasso said? >> i need more blue? >> that is funny. i've never heard that. maybe he did say that. he also said immature artists barrow mature artist's steal. >> yes, they do. >> shout out to david corn's reporting. time will tell how mr. manchin feels about it tomorrow. good to see you, david. >> okay.
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some state legislatures want to make it harder for you to vote. and if you do vote, they want to be able to tell you whether or not your vote counts. >> they want the ability to reject the final vote and ignore the will of the people. >> president biden speaking there at the mlk memorial. this is one day after senate republicans blocked, meaning they don't allow for a floor vote on a bill to support voting rights and counter some of the state crackdowns that the president just referred to. indeed, 33 laws have now been passed in 19 different states just since the 2020 election. making it harder to vote. republican governors like abbott in texas are also trying to install some of the big lie supporters into overseeing elections. it is orwellian or trumpian, whatever you want to call it.
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appointing someone as secretary of state who worked as a trump attorney trying to overturn those 2020 results. i'm joined now by a member of democratic leadership, hakeem jeffries who serves on the judiciary committee. thank you for making time, congressman. >> great to be with you, ari. >> we're at point where a lot of folks know the score. we could see in response to losing in 2020 what republicans are doing. which builds on a longer set of attacks on voting rights, some of which were partisan and some are racist, we heard the president, we know where you stand. it seems what is remaining is strategic and procedural. what do you do with a senate that continues to block and filibuster the reforms that you and the president say are needed? >> there are only two options at this point. we could either allow the voter suppression epidemic that has been launched by republicans in the aftermath of the violence insurrection and attack on the capitol to spread like wildfire, or we could put out the fire.
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and the way to put out the fire has got to be through the john robert lewis voting rights advancement act and the freedom to vote act. and the only panelway forward at this point since republicans have demonstrated zero interest in uplifting and defending our democracy is to create a democracy exception to the filibuster that will allow these two important pieces of voter protection legislation to get n up or down vote in the senate. that is it. and that is what we've got to do. >> understood. i mention your role in the judiciary committee. we were questioning the attorney general today and what you drew attention to and his response, from today's hearing. >> i believe that every eligible voter should be able to vote and that there should be no restrictions on voters that make it more difficult for them to vote unless they're absolutely necessary. the justice department is
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limited in its ability to bring cases and it must find discriminatory intent or effect. >> fact check, true, those are the requirements on what the doj could do in bringing the cases but do you think this attorney general based on what you heard today is being assertive enough or not? >> well, i think that he's a by the book attorney general and i do believe that he's committed to making sure that we protect the right to vote. he understands and he said that at the hearing today that it is essential ral to the integrity of our democracy. we have to give him additional tools. one of the things that is part of the john robert lewis voting act is to make it clear that the department of justice should be able to use section 2 of the voting rights act to undermine or invalidate voting rights suppression laups that have a impact on certain groups such as
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african-americans and latino and those that we know republicans are systematically challenging. and so the department of justice needs to use the tools available to them under the current law with the fear urgency of now. but the attorney general is correct, that the congress needs to provide the department of justice and the office of civil rights with some additional tools to push back against the voter suppression epidemic and that is something that we are committed to doing. >> yeah, and well i think you make that point quite elegantly legally and it is fair for folks trying to keep track here, you're referring to the federal statutory baseline that the doj could use, the supreme court narrowed that under republican appointed justices, and so it is up to a congress to try to update that. of course, that is what we're talking about because that is what was blocking the senate and the effort to update it and why do we have the law on the books and you and lawyers know and people forget, because of the man the president was honoring,
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because of the king is why we got the laws in the first place. it is related an the filibuster seems to stand right there. i think we've covered this clearly, even if for people who care about voting rights it is a little disspiriting. stay with me because congressman has agreed to stay for something special which is highlighting cha what is the absurdity about election earring. here is the back story and i'll bring back congressman jeffries. about a year ago dan patrick set aside up to a million dollars in cash to try to go after this phantom idea of voter fraud, anywhere. take a look. >> what i did is styled this after a program that everyone is familiar with, crime-stoppers. i'm offering a reward for people who have seen it and report it and leads to a conviction. >> now, i want to be clear. stopping crime is always great. according to anyone in law enforcement. but the issue here was the
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politics of searching for particular crimes to justify the attacks on elections we've been living through because actual in person voter fraud is very rare. as for the political effort, it backfired. dan patrick now writing his very first check for this ever which is a reminder of how even if you incentivize the hunt for voter fraud, it is quite rare and doesn't tip elections but put out over $2,000 to a poll worker who, when it came down to it, found a republican in pennsylvania trying to illegally vote twice. it is not the partisan outcome that official was seeking. and now joining our conversation is something a little different. this is the individual who received that check eric frank along with the congressman. welcome, eric. >> hey, thanks for having me. >> tell us your story, how did you stumble across what is still i want to be clear is a relatively rare occurrence but what is someone trying to vote in person i guess more than
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once. >> so it started my father is the judge of elections. and has been for the past 18 years. and he actually called me the day before saying that a poll worker had to postpone or couldn't make it due to covid so he asked me to fill in that day. so of course i said yes. and i went in and i was last in line at the polling place handing out the physical ballots to the voters. and a gentleman came in early in the morning and stating his name which was ralph therman, and he got his ballot and then an hour or so later, i heard his -- that last name again. but before that, we had a question and answer quickly at the -- when he got his ballot because he didn't -- he thought he had to show his i.d. but he did not have to. because he has been voting at
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this particular voting place for many years. but he said that he asked me, well, since i don't have to show my i.d., could i come back and vote for my son? and i said, well, no. that would be illegal. and then his last question to me was well how would you know? and i kind of ended the conversation there and he went on his merry way to vote and then an hour later i'm busy handing out ballots and i hear the last name therman again and i look up and low and behold it is mr. therman in a disguise with a hat and sunglasses. so i immediately -- >> part of this is serious. but just to be clear, he made his own home made disguise. what was it? >> it was barely even a disguise. i've been known not to forget a face. i forget a name but not a face. but he a baseball cap and black ray ban sunglasses on. but i knew after i processed it
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for a second and i last name and i looked up and was just beside myself because we had just had a full conversation about how it wasn't okay for him to do this. in fact it was illegal. and i went -- my father and the time was busy doing a provisional ballot so i waited to tell my father. but by that time mr. therman had already cast the second vote in the voter machine. but then we brought it to the authorities and here we are. >> here we are. and so congressman, i want to get your response as i've emphasized we have the data and this is fairly rare. what if anything do you make of the fact that this rather political effort by a republican found either almost no voter fraud or this one case by a republican voter in a, as eric mentioned, in a home made disguise. >> well it is no surprise. both because we know that voter fraud is incredibly rare in our elections and certainly as the
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attorney general testified to today, has had no impact on the election. joe biden we know is a legitimate president of the united states of america. but it also makes sense in the context of the fact that when it comes to trump and trumpism, right is often wrong and the sun is the moon and hefrn is hell. and when they are talking about something that allegedly is wrong in society it usually means because they are doing it. and that is in fact the case here today. >> yeah. i'm running out of time, eric. but what are you going to spend your money on? are you going to disneyland? >> no disneyland. we're looking to buy or build a new home in the suburbs of philadelphia so that is what the money will go towards. >> well it is an american story, dream of home ownership spurred upon by finding someone in a home made zriez trying to vote illegally. i appreciate what is a odd but
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our guest today is dave grohl from nirvana and foo fighters and emmy winning director, 16-time grammy winner and rock & roll hall of famer. thanks for being here. >> good to be here. thank you very much. >> i'm really excited to talk with you. you have this book. let's start there. people very interested in all of the things you've done in music and also how you live your life. and you write about joining screen as a very young musician, which required disruptions within your friend group that played music, within your family. what gave you the confidence to handle those disruptions then? >> you know, i started playing music when i was maybe 10 or 11 years old, and it quickly became this obsession. and i started playing in bands
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when i was maybe 13, 14 years old. by the time i was 17, i had an offer to join a band that toured the world. and i went to my mother, who is a public school teacher and said i have to leave school because i need to play music in order to survive. and she said okay, you better be good. >> and it sounds almost fearless, but you also write bluntly about fear in the book. you say, quote, i didn't seem to fear physical consequences. i only feared emotional consequences. did you have any of those fears then? >> i did. i mean, my father was also a musician. both of my parents were musicians. my mother sang. she was a singer in a cappella groups in the 50s. and my father was a flutist.
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our idea of music was maybe a little bit different. when i took off to hit the roads, i knew that would sort of drive a wedge between my father and i. >> you don't share his entire professional world view and you don't share his politics. what do you share with him? >> i am who i am because of my father. and though, yes, we had musical differences over political differences, i -- i got my ear from my father. i mean, i didn't take lessons to learn thou play music. i could just hear it and then play it. i could pick up an instrument and sort of figure it out. and that comes from my father. you know, we both loved writing. we both loved music. we both loved culture and food and arts. so though we were very different, we were the odd couple. but later on in life, i think we both learned to really appreciate each other and became great friends. it was great.
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>> you came across a very grounded in who you are and how you're navigating these worlds as an artist still in this global touring world. you write about what you call being raised in the ethically suffocating punk rock underground, conditioned to reject conformity, to resist all corporate influence and expectation. where do you go? how do you deal with the kind of success you refer to that came with nirvana? is such a great phrase, ethically suffocating punk underground. in all kinds of fields there is aspiration, be moral, have integrity about this pursuit. what about it made you call it suffocating? and what did you learn about finding your own balance? >> well, you know, the thing that i loved so much about the underground punk rock music scene was its independence. and all of these people were doing it themselves. so there were no real big record
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companies. you would just, you know, go to a studio down the street and pay a couple hundred dollars and record a couple of songs and send that to the pressing plant, and they'd make some albums, and you would xerox a copy for the cover and you'd stuff it in the sleeve and go sell to it the local record store and consignment. it worked that way. the problem with nirvana is kurt's song were so good, we were raised in that scene it was our secret. but then all of the sudden we become one of them. what do you do? okay, now millions of people are singing your songs. i can only speak for myself. i was the drummer. i could literally walk in the front door of a nirvana concert and barely get recognized. i didn't have to bear the weight of the responsibility of being, you know, the front person of the band, which was difficult for kurt, which is especially when you're rising out of the
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underground of that scene and becoming one of the biggest bands in the world. it's hard. so you have to kind of remind yourself of the reasons you started in the first place. you have to remind yourself of the kid on the bedroom floor with the beatles records. and that's the core. that's who you are. and if the world starts singing along with your songs, you know, i think you have to -- you have to appreciate that in a way. >> you write about and talked about going through that searing experience, and of course losing someone. and that for you, it made you more appreciative of life as a gift. and people respond to loss, of course, many different ways. does that also fit, do you think into your music, or did that just ground you with how you live and really having a career, being a parent, et cetera. >> i think both. inevitably. i remember waking up the day after kurt died and thinking
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okay, he's gone, but i'm still here? like that just doesn't seem fair, you know. and then it was just this process of doing everything all over again. like my first cup of coffee, my first trip to the grocery store, the first time i pick up a guitar. you sort of learn to relive your life all over again. and i think that it was that day that i realized i'm lucky enough to be here. so i might as well take advantage of every day and the life that i get to live. even on the worst days, you know. i'm happy to be alive. and that was a huge moment for me. it changed my life. >> dave grohl, thank you so much for your time and your inspiring words. >> thanks, ari. it's good to see you. >> wonderful. and this book is "storytellers:
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tales of life in music." plenty to learn here from dave grohl. quite a life, quite a perspective. thank you for joining us on "the beat." "the reidout" starts right now. >> hi, ari. thank you very much. have a wonderful evening. i'm a little bit jealous. i'm a dave grohl super fan. >> hey. >> i'm holding the jealous in, holding it in, trying not to express it. be i love it. great interview. >> have a good evening. >> good evening, everyone. we've got a lot to get to. my guests tonight include the chairman of the january 6 committee, congressman bennie thompson, voting rights adversary stacey abrams, press secretary karine jean-pierre and congresswoman pramila jayapal. but we begin "the reidout" with the ball that is now in the doj's court. the house passed a resolution to refer steve bannon for criminal contempt charges. speaker nancy pelosi is now free to transmit that referral to the department of justice, which will decide whether to prosecute

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