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six. >> then, senator sherrod brown what might survive in the build back better bill and should leaders who knowingly let covid run ripped through their country, killing hundreds of thousands be charged with crimes against humanity. it's happening in for sale, so why not hear. all in, starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. in the most prominent liberal democracies around the world. election day is on a weekend, germany, france, sweden, belgium, japan, italy. the other countries they cast their ballots on solid saturday or sunday, when a lot of people have their day off and have an easier time getting to the polling. pretty straightforward idea. notably israel and south korea both we vote on weekdays but election day is a public holiday. celebration of voting and the democratic process itself, i think it's a pretty nice idea. for the purposes of civic morale but also because in voting is something we do as
citizens, and it can be time consuming and people have busy schedules, and it should be the general public interest to be a make that process as easy as possible. that is not the case here in the united states, where we vote on weekdays, tuesdays. and do not have that day off, or we have this bizarre patchwork of rules and regulations spread across tens thousands distinctions. responsible for managing the elections, everything from where and when and how you can vote. and if the 2020 election demonstrated one thing, it is that is probably better for everyone if there was some kind of naturalize standard. something for lulled local jurisdictions to build on, things like standing nationwide standards for mail-in ballots, or maybe just making voting a national holiday. and it's worth noting that these changes, they wouldn't have any odd isn't partisan benefit. especially as voting coalitions grow and change and realign, there's no way to predict if these kinds of adjustments will help one party over the other.
though it does -- it also should be said that the suggestions are really just the lowest hanging fruit, when it comes to making participatory remarks easier, simple, common sense provisions. instituting them may turn takes away -- a pretty dangerous tool for republican politicians across the country, who we've seen this last year and potentially use the rules around election administration voting as a means of maybe keeping certain voters out, or retaining certain kind of powers for later in close contested elections. these bare minimum straightforward election tweaks, we're up for the debate in the united states senate today, and the bill is called the freedom to vote act. funny back story here, which is kind of interesting, for context democrats have proposed a bunch of -- even before this year we've covered it frequently on the show, there is you might recall, a piece of legislation called the john lewis voting right -- named of course for the great john lewis. basically, reauthorize is the
key provision of the original voting rights act that had been systematically gutted by the john roberts spring court over the past year or eight years or so. then there is the for the people act, that's a big, very ambitious proposal, it covers everything from ballot access, to ex ethics rules, taking on dark money groups that have flourished in the wake of citizens united, they used unregulated sources of money. now the freedom to vote act, for one that was up for consideration, the senate this afternoon, that's like not the big unambitious won it is a significantly sick scaled back version of that big ambitious agenda that's already passed in the house. you might even call it a watered down version of the for the people act there's a reason for. that you might not be surprised to hear that the mcleod extend under joe manchin he's been in the news a lot recently as the kind of scourge of legislation he said he would not support the big bold voting rights proposal that was that passed in the house he instead wanted to go another route, he wanted
to find consensus with his friends across the aisle and republican party. he would not support a bill unless you could get some republican votes to. in the spirit of bipartisanship, put his money where his mouth is. republican senator molesky from alaska call on both sides to come together to vote on legislation. specifically the reauthorization of the voting rights act. which remember back in the day, was a huge bipartisan event. not so much anymore. so this was joe manchin's grand voting. he said this was too ambitious, we need to o'rourke or cross the aisle, he tempered's parties big ambitious goals to bring the republican senators into the fold. surely he thought there's only two major political parties in the united states, they will come together with me on this, you can probably see where i'm going here. today the senate voted on a motion to proceed to debate on the freedom to vote act.
not to actually pass it, just to debate it. every single republican voted against it, every single one. even so-called good republicans like mitt romney, and even joe manchin's coauthor his buddy lisa murkowski the one who wrote the letter with him. she is the most pro rights republican in the senate, and she voted against it. so of course they did not meet the 60 vote threshold to meet the filibuster, and inside right then and there. chuck schumer ended up voting no for procedural reasons so he could retain the right to bring it up again, that's why you see that final tally for the 1951. but as senator schumer pointed out after the bow is not just about access to the ballot, it's about and watch for undoing the damage donald trump has done and continues to do every day to trust in our free and fair elections. >> our former president cannot
accept defeat with grace, he refused to show fidelity to the democratic process. instead he told a big lie, a big lie that has now poisoned the roots of our democracy. if there's anything worthy of the senate attention, it is unquestionably this. >> i think the senators, right clearly it's why this moment in history it's impossible to see the entire republican political project, at least as it stands now when you zoom out. as anything other than essentially abstractedly anti democratic in the schools. look no further, -- that is where republicans brought out there my got running logs, matt gates of florida, then a great bipartisan committee on the january 6th insurrection. during which both men refused to simply say that joe biden did not steal the election. >> i asked you to say under simple words the election was
not stolen. and you are unwilling to say those five words. >> on the race it was stolen mister chairman. i never said it was. i said we should investigate it. >> do you accept that joe biden won the 2020 presidential election? >> i accept that he is the president. >> you accept that he won the election by more than 7 million votes? -- i >> think i think that our election was uniquely polluted by these indiscriminate mail-in ballots. >> well, there you have it. of course those comments are cynical there are dangerous in their own. the context is even more jarring consider they made it at a hearing whether or not the house should recommend that former top trump advisor steve bannon be held in criminal contempt, over his refusal, just downright, all right, go screw you, refusal to operate subpoena.
supporters of donald trump attempt to use mob violence to overturn free and fair elections against the will of the american people. all of this is at the national level, that's just capitol hill today that's to chambers the senate and the house. there's also the scourge of anti-democratic republicans and state and local levels passing laws making it harder for voters to make it to the polls, harder for them to vote, harder for them to seize control of election infrastructure in some cases to potentially enable donald trump's second attempt at a coup. we are seeing a variety of the strategies play out in a whole bunch of places across the country including in michigan and arizona, where trump endorsed candidates are running explicitly for the role of administration administrator of the state. if they win, they would oversee the elections in those crucial swing states. just in case if you are curious as to well who are these people? one of their views? what's their deal? who are they hanging with? what are their intentions if elected? those two candidates in
michigan endorsed by donald trump will be appearing at an event for the paranoid far-right conspiracy theory qanon, that's the one that believes there is a secret cobbled of child sex traffickers who during children's blood and withdraw the chemicals from their bodies in a satanic rituals and we'll. it's really important that congress takes action to secure the most basic fundamental right in our democracy, it's right -- . one of the great insights of john lewis and -- in that struggle right. democracy only means something if that singular foundational cornerstone is because otherwise you don't really have a democracy, you don't have self-determination, you know my freedom. politics is complicated. right now you're probably following if you watch this program, you're the kind of person to be attuned to this, washington's has these painful back and forth negotiations.
interparty back and forth over policy detail, spending taxes. but not everything is that complicated. some issues are pretty simple. voting rights is one of those issues. right now the reality of the situation is pretty clear, one of the major parties believes in free and fair elections, and boosting voter turnout, making it easier to vote, making a representative democracy stronger, any other party simply does not. sherrilyn ifill is the president kind legal defense fund she has been and she joins me now. >> sherrilyn, is that an overly productive in partisan statement for me to end my opening monologue with in the wake of today's vote? >> well, chris, as you know i lead a nonpartisan organization and that doesn't mean that i have to ignore the reality of
the facts that most speak for themselves. today not one republican was willing to vote to debate the freedom to vote act. not to pass the freedom to vote act. but unable to have the conversation about expanding voter access. we have seen in states like georgia, florida, texas what has been happening in terms of voter suppression, the laws that have been passed again purely on party lines with republicans voting in favor of restrictive voter suppression laws targeted black and brown voters. -- you know we are seeing something that has kind of been batted down into the party structure. but that doesn't change what it is, and that's why i get kind of distressed when people talk about it in purely partisan terms because it allows them to ignore that the reality of what we are dealing with is no
different than the reality of what black voters are dealing with in the 1964. we don't look back at the great voting rights effort in the -- then we graduating the so the republicans are doing that. we look back and recognize that voter suppression was being perpetuated and advanced to keep fellow citizens from being able to vote and participate in the political process. that is what's happening today. >> i think it's a very important point. -- vaccine government points one of the points that we were discussing is it's not clear what the partisan bill is with a district of latino, large latino constituents are places like south texas. it might go either way. what is clear is the political power of latinos in that state is being quite diminished by the map. >> yeah, and i think it's convenient, and often
unfortunately convenient in some corners of the media. to want to talk about things in purely protestant terms, and not confront the racial discrimination that lies at the heart of it. the voting rights act talks about black voters having the right to elect their candidate of choice, it doesn't say who that candidate is, or what party they have to belong to. so yes, what we see happening in terms of amounts that are being drawn when we scenes voter suppression laws that are being passed and targeted very specifically that black and brown voters. that is the conversation we need to be having because that is the sign of an unhealthy democracy, that is the sign that white supremacy still remains a critical flaw in our democracy. what it is, chris, is that it has become the stalking horse. it is the entry for all the other pieces that you were talking about at the top of the
hour, qanon's, and all that other stuff. ultimately has come to take down our democracy. when we see a vote like this today, not a vote against a bill, but a vote against talking about a bill, in what is supposed to be the greatest deliberative body in the world, the united states senate, then we know our democracy has lost its way. >> there has been criticism from a lot of corners, that the white house and the president particularly has not been more energetically and publicly pushing on this. i want to read you a quote that was first reported by peter nikolas in the atlantic, and you can give me your response. when i mentioned the alarm coming from the activists the white house -- every constituency has their issue if you ask immigration folks they'll tell you the issue of their life or death issue too.
when you think about that? >> well obviously that is incredibly insulting, and i don't know who that official is. i thank you fairly regularly speak to white house officials and i would say that the officials that i speak with a quite clear that we are in a critical moment around voting in our democracy. that is a different point than when you originally raised, which is the desire for people to see the president, hear his voice, and be engaged on other issues of importance, they hear him publicly engaged on this issue. chris, to be honest i think that has been choreography to this, and we are still in the middle of the dance. i am part of the choreography as you know is to allow manchin to sell, this skinny freedom to vote act. slim down for the people act, see if he could get the republicans on. today was evident he wasn't able to do that. the john doe's bill will be taken up next week, and all of this is marching towards
calling the filibuster. at that point i think we will hear from the white house, they will have a choice, we will hear from the president. that is the point out which he will decide if we are going forward, and decide if we are a democracy are not. >> sherrilyn eiffel always great, thank you for taking the time. >> thank you chris. >> the house is expected to vote tomorrow to -- as a warning shot to any other when us is that plan on defying the committee's investigation. one witness who isn't taking the banner up is donald trump's former chief of staff mark meadows, what we know into that and the war room ingenuous after this. after this it protects the 8 areas dentists check for a healthier mouth. the #1 toothpaste brand in america. crest. practically next door to the
white house, and block away, the national mall has been around since 18 -- abraham lincoln and martin luther king junior it's got that kind of go are slick. you've seen it if you've been in washington, most recently had the dubious distinction of hosting some of donald trump's closest advisers who stage their war room there on the day that the trump mob attacked the u.s. capital. if somewhat unknown trump robber hide who is running for senate in the state of connecticut hosted a series of very telling photos from that meeting on january six. photos that include trump's personal lawyer and fixer, rudy
giuliani. john eastman the lawyer who wrote the now infinite memo on step-by-step how to overturn the election, and rub so rams when he is a failed republican congressional candidate who started to circulates them really quite bonkers voters fraud back in 2018. they were not alone, and their new book robert costa report that the day before the insurrection former trump advisor steve bannon joined trump's allies in a room at the will or hotel where among other things to encourage legislators to oppose the vote count it -- >> here based on the committee 's investigation and appears that mr. bannon had substantial advanced knowledge of the plans for january 6th. and likely had an important role in formulating those plans.
mr. bannon was in the war room at the willard on january 6th. >> it's not a crazy inference that cheney is wrong there. you gotta get the discovery, you have to subpoena documents, and use them and testimony to figure it out. today the house rules committee voted on party lines to move bannon's contempt vote for it, another trump circle who has been engaging with the as trump's former chief of staff mark meadows. politico reported this morning they hired a top republican lawyer named shore joel aber, he served as deputy general on the judge h. w. bush, went on to replace bill barr as acting general in 1983. so you know he's been around. in 2000 following the presidential election he -- unlike most trump loving republicans he has admitted that joe biden won the election. >> i respect the outcome of the
election of the presidential election. if you fast forward to the 2020 election, and allegations of vote fraud that were made there, that could never be proven and it's irresponsible frankly in, my opinion to continue and push the idea that election had a level of fraud that affected the outcome. >> so that is a guy who is now representing donald trump's chief of staff mark meadows, who we know that the center of all the similar reporting. so that's an interesting choice, one telling four as we continues to develop. he joins me now. congressman, what is the sort of next steps on this complaint ruffle not made it out of the rules committee today? >> well tomorrow on the afternoon east coast time we will act on it, we will have 60
minutes of debate, and then we will vote on the criminal contempt committee, the select committee passed last evening unanimously. so the full house floor will have a vote on that matter, and after that, after we have the votes to pass that, we will then the speaker will certify, and it will go directly to the united states attorney for the district of columbia. that individual the federal law has the duty to bring it before a federal grand jury. >> you have obviously two republican votes for it already, the two members that serve on the committee with you list cheney and adam kinzinger, i think there are ten republican votes for impeachment if i recall correctly. do you think you have any more than those two votes for the vote tomorrow? >> i don't think we have any more than those ten votes. but clearly we have two votes. this is going to be bipartisan,
like i said from the beginning the work that the select committee is doing is being done in a nonpartisan way. we want to get to the facts, we owe that the american public, to the brave lawn forsman a vigil to protected this building, and the last line of defense on democracy on that day. we have to get to the facts and wanted to do that, we need to hear from folks. so it is not optional for mr. bannon to shed the subpoena. these are not optional, he has an obligation as anyone should to follow the subpoena. >> my colleague rachel maddow last night pointed out that the -- was epa administrator who had been embroiled in a scandal about allegations of misuse of superfund the epa. she was given this criminal complaint by a house that voted unanimously, every single vote of both parties because they
viewed it as an institutional prerogative to not be trampled by the executive? what is the state house republican leadership is recommending a no vote on this vote now, 30 years later? >> yeah, it's i know i'd say it's shocking it doesn't feel that way. -- when many of them spoke out against the former president. now they seem to have brought back those remarks. it's just deeply unfortunate, these are individuals many of them were on the house floor with us, they were witnesses and saw what happened, and they still continue to avoid the accountability that is due. that is the problem that we have here, and it is truly unfortunate. >> there are three other witnesses who were subpoenaed along with steve bannon, kash patel who worked in the intelligence committee and the department of defense, mark meadows the former congressman
chiefest f, dance giving no who was the presidents chief poster online. how would you characterize the status of their compliance with the subpoenas? >> i would say that they have been engaging. mr. meadows and mr. patel have engaged with the committee, we have had conversations with their counsel but that's all i would say at this point. then mr. scavino there was a delay in service saying that subpoena, so there was a mutually agreed upon postponement for those deadlines. i would say at this point we are engaged, but nobody is openly defying the subpoena like mr. bannon. that's why is facing this unprecedented step of a full house vote of congress. >> all right congressman pete aguilar thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. >> -- for his failed covid response
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class in college or anything in the dilemma. i thought experiment used in more of philosophy. it's tough how our -- intuition. here's the simplest if you haven't heard of it before. let's just imagine you are watching a train, rolling down the tracks, and there are five unsuspecting workers on those tracks, it's about to run them over. it is right before a switch, you have an option to flip a lover to divert the train down a separate track, if you choose to pull that lever five people die. there are all kinds of ways to complicate this narrow, what if there is one work on the other track like you saw an illustration, five on one track, one on the other. what if there is family members of yours on one shaq, and, on.
i think the starkest version of this, you have the moral moral obligation to act. you cannot in good conscience sit there as the train is going to run these folks over on the track, and say i had nothing to do with me, it was natural, it was an accident, i have no moral responsibility for what she inspired. there is an affirmative duty to do the right thing. i've been thinking about this ally, literally problem, that specific scenario. because i think that's why some world leaders did in the coronavirus, they just sat there and didn't pull the lever, and many people died. to most egregious example i can think of our our own donald trump, and brazilian president bolsonaro and there are a lot of similarities between them. there were some before coronavirus and during. from the beginning both of them downplayed the seriousness of
the pandemic, they listen to the markets in the economy. president bolsonaro called the a little flu, president trump made very similar claims. >> that's a little bit like the flu, it's a little bit like the regular flu that we have flu shot for. we will essentially have a flu shot for this in a very quick manner. this is a fluid, it's like a flu. >> both president bolsonaro and shrimp believed in the most simplest containment methods during the pandemic. bolsonaro more than trump. he fought governors who wanted to take proactive steps even encourage snap gatherings donald trump's the regularly lashing our blue state governors and rallies throughout the pandemic-ing crowd lenin throughout thousands. president bolsonaro discourage wearing masks as death surge across the country for months donald trump also downplayed the effectiveness of masks and really like emma and why mock
those who used to wear them. including joe biden. bolsonaro and trump also look for anyone else to blame and the death and destruction as they watch the train go by. structiothey're both on scapegon the world health organization and china. >> it's china's fault, they allow this to happen, they allowed it to escape, they allowed to escape china, but 2.2 million people would've died. just remember that. >> both bolsonaro and trump and -- it really was like they were getting their information in the same place, they both hydroxychloroquine -- in an effort to reach so-called heard immunity. the brace the malaria drug -- which is not effective in treating the virus. and bolsonaro even posted this very video of him swallowing the pill. by the way that was the second time the brazilian president caught covid. donald trump only got it once. you would think after they both went through that experience, with donald trump's case
serious enough to land in the hospital, they might adjust their views on that, but no. donald trump did get vaccinated earlier this year, he refused to get vaccinated publicly -- but also nero's and vowed anti-vaxxer, in fact when he attended the united nations in new york last month, he had the pizza on the sidewalk because no restaurants would allow him inside unvaccinated. they both had essentially the same approach, they really stood out in the world in the win the way they dealt with it, they were both content to watch the train plow forward. leading to an incomprehensibility number of deaths. i said this before, i believe we need some sort of, for lack of a better word, truth and reconciliation commission. some sort of formal inquiry to investigate what we went through over the past year and a half, and what the culpability is for one i think is that decision to let the train go down to the track. we just learned something
fascinating, brazil is actually moving in precisely that direction. brazilian congressional panel is said to recommend that president jair bolsonaro be charged with crimes against humanity, they have produced nearly 20 1200-page report that effectively blames mr. bolsonaro's policies for the deaths of more than 300,000 brazilians, half of the nation's coronavirus death toll and urges the brazilian authorities to imprison the president, according to the expert from the reported interviews with two of the committee senators. think about that. now, it's unlikely barr scenario will actually be charged, he played -- his supporters also control the lower house in the brazilian legislative branch. but i read this and it brought me up short, it's the first time i've seen some official action taken that accurately represents how i feel about the crimes we have all witnessed. the crimes in a sore
philosophical moral sense, not necessarily real eagle. bolsonaro and trump around with along with several of those like them, just willfully got hundreds of thousands of people killed, that's just the plain truth of the matter. and again, whatever the specific leagues for law -- for that, in this country or brazil, that's the core moral fact. there's a quote from a brazilian politician, i think about all day, he said this, i am personally convinced that he is responsible for escalating the slaughter them. escalatin the slaughter them
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york today, bronx residents braved freezing rains and long lines. >> we couldn't get an appointment for three months. >> tonight a vaccine headache, >> it's extremely frustrating. >> for people in relayed rhode island -- >> they said it's either were all booked or we have no vaccine. >> that was the constant news the first three months of this year, as the long anticipated coronavirus vaccine was roll it rolled out for american adults in various faces. and i think we remember how very frantic it felt. long lines of people waiting for the shots in new york, los angeles. national guard -- to aid in vaccine logistics. and if you are forced to spend hours and days endlessly refreshing websites or going pharmacy to pharmacy, or find open appointments lots, felt like playing the lottery. now, preparations are on their way to begin rolling out the vaccines to kids age 5 to 11, after the fda approved pfizer's modify dose for that age group as they're expected to do.
and the biden administration task force are insisting that we saw in the winter and spring is not what it will look like for spring forecasts. instead stressing that there's a plan from the logistic of smallest needles -- to the fact that they quote don't want lines of kids at mass vaccination sites. i think that's probably a good idea. coronavirus resorts coordinator jeffrey zients reporting we're going to be ready. dave dr. vivek nervy, -- responsible for the nation's public health. he joins me now. what are the specifics logistics challenges here that you all are thinking about in the white house and how are you thinking about making sure that we don't end up in a situation like we did when the vaccine first became of all available for adults? became of all availabl for adults it's an exciting moment you.
many of us parents around the country have been waiting for this moment, because we know how important it is to protect our kids that haven't had a vaccine yet. over the next few weeks, the after the fda and cdc evaluate the data, we hope to hear soon the possibility of a vaccine. but we are going to be ready for the federal government side to be ready to get that vaccine to children and to be able to talk to their families. here are some important things that we're working on, chris, for number one, we want people to know that this vaccine will be free. like all other versions of the vaccine. number two, we want them to know that there will be adequate supply, we've already secured the supply needed for all 28 million kids in this age range. this is very different from how these things were in the very beginning. you'll remember the scarcity, the supply existed. the third thing, that's critical to note, is access points. that we don't have long lines, instead when we set up or tens of thousands of locations where people can get vaccinated, from doctors offices to pharmacies to schools, to hospitals. and finally, chris, there is the information and raw outreach which is so critical.
we've already seen so much misinformation floating around about vaccines over the past year. we want to make sure that parents get accurate information so they can make a decision, which is why we're working with so many channels, including health care providers to get them that information. >> well, it's interesting you said that, when i think back to the logistical challenges of earlier this year, which were supply constraints, supply and logistics constraints. two of the biden administration -- they saw that quite well. it turns out demand problems were harder than supply problems, demand problems lie within the human minds which you cannot just logistically and cake with a good project manager. this is the polling right now, when the vaccine is approved for your child age group do you think you will vaccinate right away, 34%. wait and see 32%. only if required 7%. definitely not 24%. that 34% number at some level it sounds like you're ready for a rush, and i just wonder if there won't be a rush maybe. >> wall, chris, i'm really glad
you brought this out because this is a place where we can actually learn from the past. if we look at the experience with adults, when that's a similar polling was done in the fall of 2000 -- a few months before the vaccine was available for adults. it was around 35% and the kaiser family foundation poll that said that they were ready to go out and get the vaccine right away. and over the months, as people learn more about the vaccine, as they saw friends and family get it safely and do well, that number has gone up to nearly 80% of people who have gotten vaccinated or are looking to do so as soon as possible. i anticipate a similar thing will happen with children, we know parents have questions, and rightly so. and that's why we're prepared to go out and answer those questions to help them hear from credible sources. i also think when parents see other parents making this decision, whether it comes to with their family, we're gonna see those numbers and confidence go up. >> i'll say for myself that i'm in that 34%, right away kind of person, just speaking personally. for how my wife and i think
about this would orchids. we're eligible will be continue to cover this -- thank you very much. >> thanks so much, chris. >> take care. ahead, -- critical pieces of the biden agenda alive and why a conversation with joe manchin left him cautiously optimistic. that's next. optimistic that's next. - grammarly business turned my marketing team that's next. into rock stars. (diana strums guitar) maya swears by grammarly business because it keeps her work on brand and error-free. fast and easy. - [announcer] learn more at grammarly.com/business.
says right here, right now, we will have universal health care in america by the end of the next presidents first term. we can do that. >> when president obama first came in office he made a very clear that he had one major legislative priority, and that was getting his health care bill passed. president biden on the other hand is taking a whole different approach for a variety of reasons, right now the biden administration is trying to pass everything at once, putting the entire biden agenda into one big bill, or two bills. the bills together address
everything from climate, change the health care, to prescription drugs, to childcare, to education, all these different priorities, all extremely important but they are basically wrapped together in one bill because of senate procedure. there is a very narrow democratic majority, which is what makes this bill, and the messaging around it so difficult. there is no single overarching priority, it's the full agenda. and if everything is a priority, then nothing is a priority. that has been thrown into sharp relief as joe manchin and kyrsten sinema for all kinds of reasons push to reduce the size of the bill, forcing among the 48 other democratic senators very difficult painful choices about what's stays, and what goes. senator sharon brown is a -- senator i want to start with you on the child tax credit, that is something you have been advocating for a very long
time. tens of millions if i'm not mistaken households with children have been getting monthly payment from the government? >> tens of millions yes. >> that is going to expire, so the priority was to put that into the reconciliation bill, where does it stand right now? >> well, we had three goals, one is the most importantly extended, second to make sure that it didn't have restrictions on low income restrictions didn't cut people off if they didn't file w too, and third to extended as long as we could. this is the most important thing i have ever done in my career is getting the child tax credit for eight years, best day of my career one who passed it, but the best thing is reading these stories online for people that for the first time who are getting this -- up and running past in march
and in july monthly checks, child poverty rates dropped 40%. i can't think of anything that has been that effective, that quickly. in a story father said for the first time i can buy -- for my daughter. a mother says to me i can my son can go to summer camp for a week. it takes the pressure off these families that are skipping meals at the last week of the month just to pay rent. it reduces their anxiety. the child it has made a huge difference in families lives. >> but given that, all of that we have come to the show and i think it's been quite a success. i think politically has been a success. i don't know how you will honestly answer the question, but how does it feel to be the best thing i have ever done worked on him for eight years, and now it's please joe manchin don't kill it please don't kill
it. what is that conversation like? >> well, it's a regular conversation. but forget manchin, it's only 45 of us and so on iron 45 other democrat sponsored this bill earlier in the year. obviously last year, but a bill to do exactly what this bill does. so everybody is on record we passed it by one vote, twice 51 to 50 in early march. so everybody is on the record has been for this. and joe is just looking at keeping the price tag down on those things. but imagine that next year you are the republican kong candidate road inning for -- more pointless somebody comes up in the store and says who have been getting the child tax credit now for a couple years this made all the difference in the world to pay my rent, to provide child care for my kids, are you gonna vote to take it away? who's side are you on?
so this is, you say it's been good subsequently and politically, it's not been as good politically because we are not talking about it enough. democrats are always talking about the next package, we should be talking about the successes and extending those successes. because they are so important to so many families. >> you just mentioned childcare, i want to ask you there is a childcare provision of this legislation, there's a few different things from universal pre-k. the childcare provisions is sort of structured similarly to the aca sort of sliding scale subsidy payments for households that have kids under eastern amount of age. there is an analysis today by online -- some of the problems that the aca had witches folks that were just a little bit above that subsidization level finding themselves with a big expense.
i'm sure you talk to people know after the aca passed that were not getting the exchange, and suddenly they felt like they had this unaffordable thing. i wonder if that's the thing that you are talking about in your caucus about the design of this program, to make sure that doesn't end up happening? >> yeah i mean two things about that, chris, thank you for bringing it up. i think we learn something from aca, aca was on plowed ground in the way it was rolled out. it took too long to pass and was this sort of max rock is chair of the finance committee and group of bipartisan people senators from five states, so we learn the process and i think we are learning a lesson that we haven't learned while not yet. the other thing to emphasize is that a whole lot of the senators don't think about how hard it is to raise children financially, and just to be apparent. it's what binds so many of us together, for me, chris, it's
grandchildren i've seen my kids struggle just how hard it is to his children, to balance work, home life, the kids education, particularly during a pandemic. we need to keep that front and center, chris, when we talk about childcare. we talk about subsidies, housing construction and access, all of that is pulled together. >> senator sherrod brown of ohio, thank you so much. that is all we have for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts. >> lots of stuff breaking in different directions over the course of this afternoon and into this evening, tonight as you may have heard the fda giving a seal of approval to booster shots for not just people who've had the pfizer vaccine by other people who've had the vaccines as well moderna and johnson & johnson.
therefore, not a surprise. but it is interesting. it will make a big difference in terms of how of us who got vaccinated get boosted when the time comes. the next step is for the cdc to do its own independent look at the data and recommendations. they'll do that tomorrow. and then once the cdc is through the process, we'll get that out to the public and to health providers as soon as they decide. so that could be as soon as tomorrow. st it could be any time in the next few days. it means that booster shots could be rolling out in a much bigger way as soon as the end of this week.