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hour. i will see you back here on msnbc at 11:00. >> good day, former president trump's steve ban non is one step closer to being in congress. they voted napgsly. >> our witnesses to understand something they're playing at. if you're thinking of following the path that mr. bannon has gone down, you will notice this is what you'll face. >> also today, it really it due or die. a do or die week.
today the president goes to his birthplace selling infrastructure and they are saying they need to abandon some top priorities. >> and in the u.k. the white house is rolling out a plan to vaccinate children from five to 11 years of age by using schools, hospitals, and authorizations. >> the bottom shrine that you knee to be prepared to get vaccines to families. we want to make sure that parents have answers to questions. they can use that to make their decision. >> in florida today the gunman who mastered 14 students and three adults in parkland in 2018
has just pleaded guilty to murder charges. we'll talk with one of the supporters of that routine. let's talk to dr. john torres. a member of the fdi vaccine advisory panel. so first of all the fda could soon approve moderna and j&j boosters for tens of millions of persons. what is the evidence for that strategy and which booster should people get? >> that is what they're looking at rights now. they're set to maic a decision in the nekts few days or a week or so. they're looking at doing this for a couple of reasons. one the data is looking like the mixing and matching might be beneficial. so they're taking a hard like to find out how that mixing and matching should work.
and what benefits the most and keeping regardless, you are protected from what i'm calling the big three. they're looking at bringing it down to protect you from mild illness and possibly spreading the virus to other people and that's why they're saying the vaccine boosters might be needed. on top of that when ewe talking about boosters, mixing, and matching, they're trying to avoid confusion. they're thinking if someone goes to get a vaccine, it may be seizier to get just a vaccine. they might need today go somewhere else that would hinder them getting that and they're looking at that right now. they will be coming out with a decision soon we think.
>> doctor, we understand how critical this is for herd immunity. that they can bring viruss home, but there is some hesitancy among parents even though vaccines have been mandatory for children in so many ways for decades. how do you think the planning should go forward. >> i think it is understandable. we want to see the data. i feel leek as a member of the committee, i think earn around the table is skeptical. we want to make sure that before we make a recommendation that the vaccine is safe and it is certainly highly immunogenic. we certainly need a vaccine. there is 2,000 hospitalizations
a week in children. children that initially accounted for 3% of cases in this country when the virus first rolled in. it now accounts for more than 25% of cases. they can be hospitalized and die from the virus. >> what do you think about the white house planning. not doing the mass vaccination centers, leaving it up to pediatrician that's are experienced, schools as well as, i guess hospitals that will also be involved. is that the way to go? >> i think that pediatricians, the medical home for children is pediatricians. i think they trust them to explain the strengths and weaknesses. it should large i will be through pediatricians. so i think that is the best way.
>> also, let's talk about this new delta variant. it has been spotted, apparently, the uk opened up, it is time to get back to normalcy. and the delta variant has been spotted in the u.s. but not in clusters yet. how concerned should we be going into fall? >> it has not grown much beyond that. keep an eye of what is going on, an understanding of what is going on. and in the u.k. they are having a outbreak. and particularly the delta variant. but you're talking about an off shoot of that. and they're starting to see it in more kisses. and if you remember the u.k. in
general said we're going to learn to live with the virus. we're going to let pubs and restaurants open. we're going to drop mandates and we'll do that because people are vaccinated and they're showing right now that that does not necessarily work. so looking at it, see what they need to do. >> bill deblasio is talking about expanding that mandate, not having the option. resistant to mandates. mandates work. >> yeah, i wish we had a different word than band-aid. a better world, we would not need to have mandates. anyone that looks at these data would say yes.
we have a resistant population. i think the only real answer to that is a vaccine. >> thank you for your expertise. thank you. >> big breaking news today. they have just pleaded guilty today. and 17 counts of attempted first degree murder for the wounded. they face life in prison or the death penalty. here is what the parent told me yesterday. >> i want him to pay the price with his life. he took the lyes of 17 beautiful
chirp, 14 children, three adults without any regard for what that meant. to those who were killed, to our families. >> joining me now is david, a former student at parkland, a survivor, co-founder march for our lives. . it is good to see you again. how does it feel with this guilty plea. does it help you at all? >> you know, i can only speak for myself, of course, but as we have talked about this might be a chapter that we feel is finally coming a little closer to a close. there is no culture, and our teachers are coming back, right?
the closest thing to closure something we can think of is creating a world, a country, where our children don't have to be born into a situation. and you know despite the outpouring, what you and your fellow students organized, the incredible pressure as there had been after, you know, sandy springs with the kindergarten children nop federal legislation. how frustrating is this it? >> it is deeply frustrating and concerning for the current state of our republic. if we have the level of division in this country that we can't protect our most valuable asset, it speaks to the severe danger that we're in as a danger work
that we have done around the country with other groups as well. turning out in record numbers in 2018 and 2020. we see two senators in the way of a lot of this work. we see universal background checks that are not in there. they are a great way of reducing violence on a day to day basis. we need more leaders fighting for us, right? and more survivors feegting for us. it is very disconcerting. if we repeatedly tell young people to turn out to vote, and we create change as we did at a record rate in 2018 and at a record rate in 2020, and the system is not working for us, it endangers the future of our republic. people will lose fate in the system. there is no way that two
senators should be able to get in the way of well over 85 to 95% of support. >> you changed the public climate about that. those numbers are a direct result of what you and your students did. really effective protests. so that has to be, at least, some what empowering. >> i leave that up to the victim's families. instead of just focusing on and we're failing as a country. we need to stop them. i think one thing that speaks to that is i was born basically the
year after columbine happened. in the year since i have been alive the same number of people that have died from covid have died from gun deaths. we're one of the few countries in the world that deal with this level of violence. we can elect people, we need to realize that this is a choice. as a country we need to come together. not as democrats and republicans, but human beingings for our right not to be so that no matter their zip code, no matter if they're in their schools our outside of it. we worked in florida and we got extremist protection orders passed. we got funding for the cdc. they were never before seen prior to what happened at our school. change it start to happy, but it is frustrating.
we don't have a representative form of government, and when that is active, because of that one rule, it is causing so many people to die ere year. >> i'm glad you brought that up. the number of brentble deaths. you point out, since columbine. before i let you go, how are you doing yourself? >> you know, i always struggle with how to answer that question because every day we continue to, you know, i see shootings on tv every night, i see violence at schools across the country that continue to happen. in 2018 we said never again. we demanded that elected officials product them at the time. they are doing their job.
it is time to move aside and let a new generation come in. we need a holistic approach to gun violence. it is tolerance and we're urging the biden administration to create a national director of gun violence protection. and they can inform the president on how they address this emergency in the united states. >> david, thank you for being with us. we're not mentioning his name, not showing his picture, we're not glorifying him. >> thank you for not doing that, i sincerely appreciate it. >> you be well. speaking of the phil buster,
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today could be the last chance this year to protect voting rights. senate democrats are trying against to pass voting legislation. they are already threatening ten republicans from passing over. if it goes down, you can even see more democrats now agreeing to carve out a voting rights exception to the filibuster rule. joining me now is angus king of maine. senator, what do you think is at stake here, and what are it's chances? >> well, fist let's talk about what is happening today. this is not a vote on the voting rights bill in is a vote on bringing the voting rights bill to the floor so we can debate
it. it looks like my republican colleagues are going to filibuster just discussing the bill enthough they have been offered opportunities for amendments. it is worse than just filibustering a bill, it is saying we don't want to bring it to the floor today to debate it and allow the american people to hear the debate. there are two paths from here. one would be republicans coming forward saying here is what we can suspect, what we can't accept, and an agreement that we can move forward to protect voting rights in this country. the bill that you describe has been around for six or eight weeks. i have not heard any of though discussions or proposals, but that is a possibility. the other is to deal with the phil buster issue in some way
that basically restores the senate to where it used to be his torically. it has been used dramatically more in by by the way, it's not only. they decided not to do it. they know fractions, they said it takes two thirds to approve a treaty. but they didn't say anything about the passage of legislation. it is really ridiculous the way it has been used. some modification of the rule, a carve out, a requirement that those opposed that have to come to the floor and hold it. one is that filibuster is
supposed to fulfill this or we have to look at a change in the rule. to me if it is democracy versus a senate rule the senate rule has to give way. >> and you already accomplished a big hurdle by getting joemanchin to agree with you. so there is a prospect of negotiations but mitch mcconnell has been dead set against this. so you're ready for a carve out, a filibuster, if no negotiations are permitted by the republicans? >> the answer is yes, and the question is why. i have always been very reluctant about it. once if goes away, it is not there to protect you at some later day when the shoe is on
the other foot. this is democracy itself. laws being passed across the country that are designed to keep people from voting. to create congressional district that's are grocery gerrymandered. i made the point that america, the idea of a democratic republic with representative government is an anomaly in world history. we call them presidents for life. that is what is normal and democracies can slide into that. so i think this is a hinge moment, a real. pivotal moment for this country as to whether or not the idea of the people being in charged is
going to survive. >> do you think something can be done before the end of the year? >> yes, do i. and it will hinge on a few members, as you know. and joe manchin, kirstin sinema, and others. joe manchin believes in the right to vote. he helped negotiate the bill. he was a former secretary of state in west virginia. he understands the issues and wa is going on. he is also very committed to the idea of the filibuster. but the concept that he is committed to is the idea that you're forced to get bipartisan support. that doesn't work if the other side just says no. if the other side says okay, we're going to withhold the votes and then have a negotiation and come to a settlement or an agreement, that's one thing. but in this case, if it is just we're just going to say no, no
way, no discussion, we're going to let the state's strict voting rights restrict people across the country and change the law so a partisan legislature can override the votes of the citizens of their state, that is the kind of thing that is going on now. i, you know, i don't want to get into reading my colleagues minds, but i think there is a growing consensus that we have to do something about this. it may not be to abolish the filibuster, but maybe modify it in a way that makes it harder to block things for the sake of disruption. >> thank you so much, and thank you for bringing us upto date on all of this. >> steve bannon and what cheney says it could mean. t cheney says it could mean nah, a stormy day.
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the full house is now heading to a show down tomorrow with steve bannon has the house is poised to recommend charges against bannon. this after a unanimous vote to hold bannon criminally accountable. chairman benny thompson made the case before the rules committee this morning. >> this institution, the house, cannot let this conduct stand. it will send a signal to mr. bap nop, that mr. bannon can act like he is above the law and get away with it. >> liz cheney gave her road map for where the investigation will go next. >> mr. bannon and mr. trump's privilege arguments do however appear to reveal one thing.
they suggest that president trump was personally involved in the planning and execution of january 6th and this committee will get to the bottom of that. >> joining me now is kristin welker, garrett haake, and moderator of "washington week" yumisha. kristin just back from ma maternity leave, it is so great to be reunited. let's go to garrett first. there is a process here, it could take awhile, but they were unanimous. and liz chainy is making it clear that just by their refusal
to cooperate there is a strong and legal implication. >> yeah, look, his argument here is that we don't know how far this goes. they're trying to leave on the table that they could subpoena the former president himself and that it could go that high. other members say they understand that will create a huge circus. for the vote form in the full house, the messaging from the democrats here is that we were defending the house here. that is nice, they say, but don't you want two years from now or four years from now, that is the message they're trying to hammer home today. making sure that the house can do their jobs. >> even when you talk about separation of powers, religions have ignored all of that when it
comes to reversing themselves and protecting donald trump. >> and the republican party, most of them, most of the g.o.p. has sat firmly on the side of president trump. they defended him in the actions there. they talk about the people that died there as well as the people attacking the capital. so it is a republican party that is invested in trying to redo and retell the story and not make it very clear that it was an insurrection, which is what it was. so here you have steve ban non saying he wants to be the face of this right now, so the republican party has a big decision to make here. it was interesting to hear senator mitch mcconnell. of course most in the republican party don't agree with
membership mcconnell on that point. >> he very transparently avoided answering the question what about january 6th, and the accountability. kristin, let's pivot to the spending bill. this time there really is a deadline. they're trying to enforce and go back to that deadline. the president wants something for the climate summit in those coming days, but this could be a very, you know, nasty trick, a halloween trick, and he is willing to cave on community colleges, has he talked to his wife? >> a very good question. first of all this is a self imposed deadline. and the white house sort of tried to back away from it yesterday when i pressed him on whether or not they would get
all of this done. to your point we learned that after a flurry of meetings at the white house yesterday with moderates and progressives, he told them that his latest proposal would strip tuition free community college. that was one of the key pillars of the biden agenda. not just a progressive priority. that is a significant concession and it will be a scaling back. that is something that could be a flash point, and then that issue of climate, andrea. that was supposed to be a key pil lar. climate is supposed to be part of this, clean energy will be part of this, but the big sweeping proposal might not make it, there is a lot of pressure
to see them ablgt on it as well. president biden is going to cranston, and they want to help the working class people of cranston. there is a lot of infighting. >> a lot of concern that they could end up with nothing, garrett. look he met also with manchin and sinema today. he has been trying to get them all in a room together and saying this is do or die for us. you have seen the impact, the concerns about the virginia race, if they can, show that they can deliver, can they govern. >> there is an understanding that the social spending bill is too big to fail. the whole par think be in trouble. i think ultimately we'll see a
deal on it. we're talking about a flurry of activity on the white house. it was up to the president to close a deal and we're seeing him step in here. i think the deadline is a little soft, but the entire party is not desperate yet, but they're approaching it to make sure they can show progress, to make sure they can governor, and then they can get some of the items back across the finish line. and then it will progressives. >> especially on climate. and we're talking now about something, you know, according to our reporting, something under $2 trillion. something bucking up against 1.9 trillion. that is a lot of money, but it doesn't include the carbon tax or a lot of that climate proposals that the president wanted to be able to deliver. >> that's right i think that is
a smart point to make. and instead of the vision of the progressives. all you have to do is the senate to now that 1.9 trillion is closer. i think it is really telling that even in the programs take senator bernie sanders talking about adding deenal -- dental care, that it might be shortter than expected. paid family leave going to four weeks. anyone that has had a child and has dealt with raising a family understands that is a con suggestion. there is a lot of women leading the workforce because they don't have the childcare that they need. that all shows you that at the end of the day president biden knows he has to bring it home and this is the concession that he knew needed to happen to bring his party together. >> before i lose all of you great reporters for the moment, kristin the "new york times" has
a new bomb shell report today that steven miller, the president's white house top advisor had a proposal to the pentagon to send 250,000 troops to the southern border to seal the entire 2,000 mile long southern border. that is about half of our active duty armed forces. which is incredible, and it was incredible. >> there was an ongoing push to try to get more troops at the border. you have a push and pull and i think what you're seeing in the new reporting is highlighting not just that and that approach to the southern border, an american first policy of former president trump, but also the tensions that he had with some of his highest and closest advisors. >> another reason that mark was
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>> fellow churchgoers are now speaking about about the plight of people being held hostage in haiti. the desperately poor country has been in a worse state of chaos since the assassination of it's president, another earthquake, and a complete break down in the criminal justice system. joining me now is ray kelly. he was named by president clip ton to be part of the internation police monitoring force in haiti. and scott friedman, a professor
at the school of international research who did extensive research in haiti. scott, first to you, how did we get here. in the '90s i spent a lot of time in haiti, but it is now completely lawless. >> yeah, i think that the danger is imagining that this moment is warranting political or military interventions. and actually it is not u.s. political or military intervention that lead to this ride in gang violence. the parties and politicians used gangs as private armies. so it is support that lead to the use of armies that lead to a rise in kidnapping and violence.
>> what about the under lying conditions, ray kelly. you were there, you saw it when we were there. i was covering you and the team which, became a u.n. monitoring team, and yet there -- it doesn't seem to be any improvement over decades, politically or in terms of the criminal justice system. >> no, in many ways they seem to have regressed. haiti is a failed country for most of it's history. but as you said with the assassination of the president, the country seems to have become totally unhinged. there is no function for the government. so what they are doing is interventions, and quite a while. and they are in haiti.
and it is in any way, shape, or form. they believe that the u.s. gaye a lot to haiti, that the haitians have to step up and run their own life and government but obviously that has not happened. tremendous corruption in haiti with the public officials. and that has been there for years so it is very, very difficult. these gangs are controlling just about everything. they have better weapons than the police do. so it is very difficult, and now the fbi is in the middle of this and it is a difficult situation for them as well. some of these negotiations and these kidnapping cases last for weeks. in 2010 i brought a team of detectives there to team them how to investigate.
however in the last two days before the earthquake, over 200,000 people died in that earthquake. so starting it back up again was extremely difficult. >> the police just don't have any resources. >> yeah, i didn't mean to interrupt. what about the fact that, you know, there are ransom demands. they are getting these people out there, there was some ransom's paid for the nuns, or the priests taken last april, i think. >> part of this intervention is the pathway forward. i think this is the most concerning set of response that's we have heard, is that continued intervention is the right way forward.
and yet when we look at the history of military interventions and political interventions in haiti, it created more and more catastrophes, right? the u.n. presence in haiti caused the cholera outbreaks and widespread sexual violence across the country. and the u.s. meddling into political affairs has not lead to increased state ownership. the support of the current party in haiti, the u.s. support, and their lack of elections, meant that the state has been hallowed out as a result of that political intervention. so i just want to address that. it seems like the biggest option that is being put on the table, and one of the ones that i find most concerning. especially when civil society actors have gotten together and put together a plan for a transitional government and elections. and i think this presents an punt for the united states to
step away from it's patterns and bring a new approach. >> this debate is going to continue and there are really no good answers right now for haiti. just a disastrous situation down there. thank you so much to both of you. to ray kelly and to scott freeman. the supply chain nightmare, why it could be the delays that stole christmas. delays that stole christmas. , so you can focus on what matters most. whether it's ensuring food arrives as fresh as when it departs... being first on the scene when every second counts... or teaching biology without a lab. we are the leader in 5g and a partner who delivers exceptional customer support and 5g included in every plan. so, you get it all, without trade-offs. unconventional thinking, it's better for business. ♪ ♪ traveling has always been our passion, even with his parkinson's.
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of his fiancee gabby petito. we are taking a look at the surviving supply chain across the country. trueing truck drivers and local ports. consumers and local businesses are bearing the bankrupt of the problem. >> one week we can't get handle shopping bags. the next week i can't get lids. nothing to say. >> something in the spring we're getting half of, because they don't have the quantities in the warehouse. >> we have gone from two weeks to a load of glass until six months right now. >> joining me now is the former adviser under president biden, now the profess-of-of chicago school of business. you can give me some clarity on all the conflicting economic messages? there is a new washington post today reminding whether the national guard could be deployed
to drive trucks or unload baggages to alleviate some supply chain issues. is the that a good idea? >> well, look, it's a mess. everyone knows it's a mess. but the important thing to realize is it's a world wide mess, it's a world wide supply chain. you go to europe, asia, their ports are backed up. they're having the same kind of problems. because what happened is everybody around the world is trying to come back and go buy things all at the same time and the supply chain is really not designed for that. so it's probably going to be months before this is fully worked out. >> and, of course, there is a political aspect of this. you worked in the white house. you know what it means for a president looking at mid-terms, who is looking at his own job ratings and poll ratings, i should say and figure out, you know, how to fix this. plus, inflation. inflation is a part of all this. >> yep. >> what is your prognosis,
temporary, long term? >> indeed, i think it's temporary. but temporary is months not days. and the only silver lining in this is in normal times, in most rich countries, and especially in america, we spend most of our money on services, not on physical goods. what's happening here is during covid, we had a major shift in people spending their money on physical products because we couldn't go do the services. if we start shifting back to a more normal frame, that will ease some of these constraints, but it's going to be just a tough several months on the white house, on the economy, for christmas, all of those things because everywhere in the world they're dealing with these shortages. >> that brings me back to what i have been saying and many of my colleagues have been saying. you can track, literally the president's pollings by the
handling of covid. when he started to roll out the vaccine so well, that was great. then when the controversies erupted and confusion, regulatory powers, then it was not so great and you know that's i mean the pandemic really is driving the economy and control that's happening in the economy. >> i think you are spot on. i think are you spot on, that his polling is tracking how the disease does and as i say, the virus is the boss of the economy and if you want a healthy economy, you got to get control of the spread of this virus. hopefully, we're seeing some downturn in the numbers. maybe we can come back. if not, it's going to be a long winter. >> and we have this also the conundrum in labor of labor shortages. but we have pretty good employment numbers, but yet farmers are concerned that the john deere strike now could impact delivering the machinery and the parts they need to plant and harvest crops.
you know, that's in your area. you're in chicago. the great mid-west. >> we are in the mid-west and if other parts of the country, you're definitely seeing labor shortage, wages going up, people trying to find work. some part of that is good. we're finally going to get wage increases. i have from early on thought that the probably the primary driver of that is the again the virus. there are a bunch of people that don't want to go back where they will get exposed to the virus or there is a lot of face-to-face contact. they are waiting, laying low until that is resolved. so, hopefully, as kids go back to school, as we've got the various government benefits that some people claim were the source of the labor shortage, that people can't really claim that anymore. because they've expired. if we can get control of this virus, we may be able to ease
not just the supply chain constraints but also the labor constraints. >> you got 30 seconds. is the supply chain going to be the grinch that stole christmas? >> a part of it. but now, everybody knows that at christmas time, you know, tickle me elmo or whatever that you better get out early to buy your toys and this year, it's going to be even more trove, because there are going to be a lot of lower-end toys and things that are getting shipped via imports. if you are like me, and it's christmas eve and you are out there trying to get the toy, it's going to be a little harder to do this year. because stuff can't get through the ports. >> i'm even worse than you. i'm christmas day. happy early christmas to you and yours. it's great to see you. and a rare cancellation of a trip by queen elizabeth as buckingham palace says she will
not be going to northern ireland after reluctantly receiving medical advice to stay at home and rest the next few days. it's not clear if the 95-year-old monarch will plan her attendance of future events, including the u.n. climate change conference in scotland in two weeks. nbc news' keir simmons is outside buckingham palace. do we know more about the reason for this cancellation? >> reporter: we are not being told by buckingham palace what is wrong. i am told it is fought covid. in fact, the queen has been holding multiple meetings over zoom with ambassadors. she even went to the race last weekend. she has been seen recently walking with a cane, but she's been looking pretty well in her appearance, buckingham palace releasing a statement saying her majesty is in good spirit and is disappointed she will no longer be able to visit northern ireland, where she will no
longer be able to visit engage. s. they will have news that the 95-year-old isn't feeling fighting fit. i guess it is one of those aspects of royalty and monarchy there is a slightly obsession with the health of queens and prince and princesses, but the queen according to some report, not confirmed, were seen out today walking her corgi. so i guess she isn't feeling too bad. >> let's hope so i'm not one of those wondering why we care. i care, we care about queen elizabeth. it's good to see you, keir, thank you very much for being with us today. that doest for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. chuck todd is live with mtp daily right now. >> if it's wednesday, what is next in our fight for the
nation's democracy, senate democrats are about to run into unified opposition on legislation to expand and protect voting right. as republicans keep shrugging off trump's dangerous election lies. plus the house's january 6th committee unanimously has a contempt report for ally steve bannon as the president stonewalls and we will speak with the committee about the political battle itself ahead. later today, the fda is steering a decision on mixing and matching the boosters. the white house goes public with its plan to prove vaccinations for kids age 5 to 11. to do that before the holidays. welcome to "meet the press." without a doubt, the biggest thing will be the