tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC October 19, 2021 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
i've been advised that i am actually laid for my planned grand slam at fenway park, so i have to go right away. i'll see you tomorrow, time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> you know when you get there you'll be the first one of the night. i don't know how i know that but -- >> because i was watching every minute of your show and your interview with ben in thompson, and which was so important, one of the things that was said tonight was something that i don't think was quite so clear before. and that was when liz cheney said that the resistance, the trump resistance, to this investigation and to this particular subpoena actually indicates that donald trump was
involved in the run up to the preparation for, and what they believe may be the conspiracy to attack the capital. >> and that that is the common thread that explains all of the resistance in terms of what people aren't handing over, are refusing to talk about -- i asked thompson tonight whether or not we have seen enough already in their investigation to know, to have found things that the public doesn't know. tua found things that will surprise us or indeed shock us in terms of how things went in january six, and he said yes, the public will be shocked, we have found stuff that will surprise you. and then for list cheney to said that tonight, i think that they are starting to give us indications of where the investigation is heading. >> yes, and i'm hoping we can find out more about the cooperation that they've already had. the chairman mentioned that in his statement to the committee tonight about how steve bannon is the only one.
what does that mean, what is mark meadows doing. if benno is the only one that is resisting in the way that he. is people in the member of the community joining tonight, we will see what they can and can't tell us about that. because obviously they are trying to contain how much the information gets out at this point. >> yes, exactly. and rightfully so. they are gonna present their findings when they have findings to present. but as they are trying to enforce these subpoenas to steve bannon, again, rightfully talking about the fact that he is the only one that everybody else is engaging and making clear that time is of the essence. they are going to do this fast. they are going to be delayed by this kind of tactics. they are going to be forcing the stuff. asked the vote in the house of thursday. we thought it was even faster than it's going to be. their full steam ahead. this is not something that is trotting along. >> of course, you did your homework. and you discovered the last time there was such a
prosecution for this. back in the 19 eighties. by the way, the name of the show could be rachel maddow's homework with rachel maddow. that is one show title that should be on the list. you should think about. it anyway, it was great because i vaguely remember the when you said it. but then you said, for me, the magic sentence of, it was eight days between the time the house voted for the prosecution, and the justice department actually broad charges in eight days. those of us who were around back then, and then in the 19 seventies in the water investigation, would keep saying all of these processes used to be much faster. things that happened in weeks and months now used to literally happen in days. and that's an example. >> he has. it will be an independent judgment by the u.s. attorney in d.c. to decide whether not to bring these charges.
and nobody should think that they should inflict that decision. but, theoretically, if the u.s. attorney decides to go ahead with, this convening a grand jury, or going to grungy that is already empanel, and asking for an indictment in the case like this, shouldn't be a particularly complex thing. he is trying to assert executive privilege when the only person who could invoke executive privilege, is the current sitting president of the united states said it doesn't apply here. i'm not the one who's invoking. this it is a fairly simple matter if they decide to do. it i don't know why should take more than eight days. but we don't know how the justice department will be inclined here, how the attorney general might instruct this u.s. attorney's office in terms of how to handle this. if you're steve bannon, i think you're probably paying the odds that nothing odd will ever happen to you. because he seems to escape even when he's been indicted before. but this is serious stuff. and it could move fast. at least on paper, there's no reason to think it could not.
>> before you go, the other great thing that of course in the vote in the 19 eighties, the vote was unanimous in the house. every single republican member of the house voted for criminal prosecution of a republican president, a reagan administration official. and there was just no question of course if she is going to divide the subpoena. of course we all vote for that. >> the unanimous vote. that was congress in the partisan way standing up for the power of congress. to actually conduct investigation and to be obeyed. it feels like those days have passed. but maybe they'll come back. >> you have to go rachel, they need to. >> they do. >> thank you. before the committee voted tonight. the republican vice chair of the committee begin her remarks by outlining the case against
steve bannon. >> on january six a mob breached the security perimeter of our capital, assaulted and injured more than 140 police officers, engaged in hand to hand violence over an extended period, and invaded and occupied the united states capitol building. all in an effort to halt the lawful counting of electoral votes, in reverse the results of the 2020 election. the day before this all occurred, on january 5th, mr. steve bannon, professed knowledge that quote,, all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. and quote. he forecast that the day would be quote, extraordinarily different than what most americans expected, he said to his listeners and his viewers quote, so many people said that if i was in a revolution i would be in washington. well, he said, this is your
time in history. based on the committee's investigation, it appears that mr. steve bannon, had substantial advanced knowledge of the pants for january six. and likely had an important role and formulating those plans. mr. stephen was in the war room at the willard of january six, he also appears to have detailed knowledge regarding the presidents efforts to sell millions of americans to fraud that the election was stolen. >> the question before the committee tonight was, should they recommend criminal prosecution of steve bannon, and each member answer that question in the roll call vote. >> miss cheney. >> i. >> miss welcome. >> yes. >> mister schiff. >> i. >> mr. abdullah? >>.
i >> misses? murphy >>. i >> mister asking? >>. hi >> mrs. laura? >> i. >> mister kinzinger? >> i. >> as the chair recorded. mister chairman you are not recorded. i vote i. >> the clerk will report the vote. >> mister chairman on this vote there are nine eyes, zero nose. >> the motion has agreed to. >> leading off our discussion is democratic congressman of california, he is a member of the january six committee and he is the vice chair of the house democratic caucus. thank you very much for joining us on this important night. when did you realize that the committee was going to be unanimous on this vote?
>> i think it became pretty clear once we started having the communication back and forth, and the communications with the band in council was detailed in the report that we produced. but it became pretty clear that they were not going to be as cooperative as many of the other witnesses that have come forward. and some will receive a subpoena as well. so that's when we knew this might be a little different. >> what can you tell us about the cooperation of say, mark meadows, who had a date where he was supposed to justify, he did not show up for that date, but he is not being recommended for criminal prosecution? >> what i can tell you is that mr. meadows, and mr. patel, are engaged with the committee. that's all i can say at this point. so that's why mr. steve bannon, is the only one that we are seeking to elevate to this level. with the full house vote for
content. >> the chairman mentioned tonight that you've reached out to dozens of witnesses. does that mean that you've interviewed dozens of witnesses already? >> there have been dozens of interviews that have taken place. and there is coordination and discussion, there is also 11 other subpoenas, that were made public for individuals who played a role in the financing of the planning of the january 6th rally. we are engaged with those individuals. and it's our expectation that they would produce documents as well as separate interviews. >> the chairman was not sure at the point of time you were voting tonight whether the full house would vote on that. we now know the full house will vote day after tomorrow. the house has already a busy day that has already been scheduled for tomorrow. you also apparently have to go to the rules committee on this. do you have to go through the
rules committee before going to the house floor on thursday? >> yes. the chair the vice chair will both present to the rules committee. and if reported for really, they will go to the house on thursday, that's our understanding. >> what is your expectation after thursday? rachel maddow has just reported in the previous hour that the last time the house did this, it took eight days between the time the house voted to recommend a criminal prosecution and the justice department actually brought charges against a reagan administration official. that passage of time was eight days. >> that is up to the u.s. attorney, of the district of columbia, and the department of justice. as to how fast they proceed, our expectation is that they will follow the law. so after it passes to the house floor, the speaker will certify it, it will get transmitted to the u.s. attorney for the
district of columbia, and federal law is clear that that individual has a duty to bring forward. so that is our expectation, they will follow the law and they will bring this to the grand jury. and so that is what we hope the process they follow of being on thursday. >> let's listen to liz cheney, she made this point about how the privileged are appearing to suggest that donald trump actually was personally involved. let's listen to the way she put this. >> mr. steve bannon, and mr. trump's steve arguments appeared to reveal one thing. they suggest that president trump was personally involved in the planning and execution of january six. and this committee will get to the bottom of that. >> what was your reaction to that point? >> it was a strong statement. it was a great statement. and representative cheney, vice
chair cheney has been an amazing colleague to work with on these issues. she is not going to be shy about calling it like she sees it. and so we are going to continue to follow the leadership of her and the chairman as we guide through this process, we are on uncharted territory, we know that. but we have a duty and an obligation to find out the truth. that is all we said we want. we did not bring any choice and the chairman talked about this. we don't bring joy around taking the step. we hope that people comply. we hope that they feel as patriotic as we in order to comply with a lawful subpoena. but if they don't, there have to be consequences. and we promised the american people that we will get to the bottom of what happened on january six. this is the next step in order to do that. >> how can you get to the bottom of it without sending a subpoena to donald trump? >> well we are going to take one step at a time. this is where we are today. upon every interview that we take, we are going to continue
to learn more details and we will unlock more issues that we will have to chase in on. and that will lead to more individuals who we have to interview. and that is just going to be the process. it's going to be an investigative process, and we are going to follow that game plan, and we are going to chase every lead as the chair and vice chair have said into ultimately produce a report for the american public. but we are not going to get ahead of ourselves, we are not going to be shy about doing that if it is warranted. but we need to accomplish these few steps first. >> so just to be clear, you are not going to be shy about subpoenaing donald trump if it is warranted? >> we are not going to be shy about subpoenaing anyone with knowledge of the events of january 5th and six, and the violent insurrection of the capital. so that is our position, and we are going to chase every league wherever it goes. >> pete aguilar, i thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate. it >> thank you. >> and joining us now is daniel
goldman, the counsel for the first impeachment trial of donald trump. he is also former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. he is an msnbc legal analyst. daniel goldman, i want to start with you on that list cheney point. where she says mr. steve bannon, and privileged arguments do appeared to reveal that they suggest that president trump was personally involved in the planning and execution of january six. what was your reaction to that point? it's similar to what you would referred to as an adverse inference, to someone who would take the fifth amendment in a civil case. and basically, the law is that she could use that assertion of the fifth amendment, you cannot use it in a criminal case, but you can use an adverse invents in it in a civil case, it's a similar ideas, when we did an
impeachment. when we said that every time you obstruct, you are essentially admitting that you have in call buttery evidence. that's exactly what liz cheney is saying, she's saying, you could not assert executive privilege, unless you have relevant information, to our committee, which is investigating january six. by the fact that you are asserting some executive privilege, over documents or testimony, it means there's relevant information that you, donald, trump the former president has, that you are trying to hide. >> let's listen to what chairman thompson said about what happens next, including, after the full vote of the house, and he referred to the u.s. attorney doing his duty, let's listen to that. >> we believe mr. bannon has information relevant to our probe, and we will use the tools at our disposal, to get that information.
i expect that the house will quickly adopt this referral, to the justice department, and that the u.s. attorney, will do his duty, in prosecute mr. bannon, for criminal contempt, of congress. we >> is that the u.s. attorney's duty? >> technically yes, in reality though the u.s. attorney will always use its discretion, because it needs to be able to go to court and prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. i think it's very important to understand the difference, between congress saying, that you are in contempt of congress, and charging someone with the crime of being in contempt of congress. and that is what we talked about a lot, the intent element. you must be able to demonstrate, that steve bannon had no plausible or reasonable belief that he did not need to appear.
you could make an argument, certainly you and rachel talked about, this there's no legal argument that donald trump could use executive privilege for steve bannon, who is not working at the government at the time. but it is not clear cut, that donald trump has no involvement, in an assertion of executive privilege over materials related to him during his presidency. that is why this particular referral is so important, because bannon is not being referred because he's not producing documents that might be subject to executive privilege, bannon is being referred because he did not show up to testify. and there is recent case law that took years deliberate, and donald trump was able to delay the testimony, because of that. what came out of that, is that every witness, who subpoenaed by congress, must appear to testify. if they want to assert
executive privilege, they can then do that, but there is no such thing is absolute immunity. and that goes a long way to help the u.s. attorney charge steve bannon. because bannon could say, i had advice of counsel, i don't know what's to do, donald trump told me that i should not give this information, because it's subject to executive privilege. who am i to tell him that he does not have that right. that's for a court to tell him. these could all be defenses. but they are not a defense to him simply showing up and testify, which the law is very clear, that he must do. >> so, does the u.s. attorney, reach out to bannon's attorney, and say, listen, we are going to present this to a grand jury, we have it, do you want to talk about reaching some kind of agreement with the house, before we do this? >> my guess is that steve bannon's lawyer, we'll ask to
present to the u.s. attorney, and he will try to make the case, that bannon should not be prosecuted, and he'll present some of those arguments that i just made. that bannon has a reasonable belief that he needs to listen to donald trump, and therefore he is not doing this by his own will. he's doing this because the former president told him. and the u.s. attorney will have to weigh that. in the u.s. attorney will make the decision, and will either decide that they will go forward with the case or, not and if they go forward, they will reach out to discuss plea negotiations. i doubt very much this will end in a plea. if bannon is willing to flout, this he is willing to go the distance. he wants to maintain his right to appeal, bannon got a pardon from donald trump, he'll go to the mat for donald trump. and what donald trump wants to do is delay, delay, delay. and let this sit in the courts,
until the end of 2022, when the committee effectively runs out. >> danielle, thank you very much for joining us tonight, we really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. coming up the police in iowa are investigating a lynching, threat made against the state's first black democratic party chair. ross wilbur. after he row an op-ed, about republican lawmakers, in an iowa newspaper, ross wilbur, and will join us next. ross wilbur, and will join us next. and will join us next. with access to financial advice, tools and a personalized plan that helps you build a future for those you love. vanguard. become an owner. bogeys on your six, limu. vanguard. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ darling, i, i can't get enough of your love babe♪
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describes the threats. the voice mails include very explicit language, every other word was the n-word. what's stood out this time was the language that was used, specifically the very direct statement about lynching. i get angry about, that that people feel that they can come in and make you feel less than human with that type of reference to lynching. joining us now is state representative ross wilbur, and he is the chair of the iowa democratic party. thank you very much for joining us, tonight this was a horrifying story to read about, you wrote an op-ed piece, a fairly short op-ed piece, in an iowa newspaper. before donald trump's visit to iowa, pointing out, what donald trump has done in terms of lying about the election. and chuck grassley's participation in that rally, and other iowa republicans participation in the rally. i mean it's a pretty standard piece, in 2021.
in you are suddenly getting lynching threats. >> yes. i did get angry about it lawrence, thanks for having me on the show, i wish you four were four different circumstances but, it's not uncommon for public servants, and it's not uncommon for people of color, serving a public, world to receive races emails or phone calls, but the reference to the acts of lynching, that really made me angry, there's a history as you know, in our country, of people trying to intimidate black people, black families, with threats of lynching. i get the passion and anger that can happen sometimes in politics. it, is they tried to push you down, to help themselves feel better, that you're not human, or some type of animal or something. but, it's just got to stop, and i thought it was important to file a complaint with law enforcement, the police
department. i'm grateful that they are taking this seriously. and doing an investigation. but it really has to stop. >> it's part of a national a surge, in threats against public officials. the threats against members of congress have skyrocketed this, year and there seems to be, in empowerment to these threats, that donald trump has inspired people with. is it, you've been in the public world for a while, is it your sense that something has changed? that ifs you, as you did, write something about donald trump, that's what's going to provoke this? >> absolutely, it's been present in our country's history. i used to be a mayor. you mentioned public, service i remember being the mayor, and being in the grocery store, and people saying in greeting, me
in say it's good to see, you things for a variety of things, and as i was leaving, i was pushing my shopping car, and people kind of converge at one point, someone bumped into my car, and before i could say excuse me, she just yelled out and screamed out, get out of my way, and dropped the n-word. so people were shocked, and i was shocked. but, it's been present, but i think the intensity has increased, the boldness, i shake my head at what's happening in a lot of the school board meetings, we have school board and city council elections coming up this fall and so the intensity as well as the threat of violence, especially after trump's comments around january six. it's really beasts it's getting out of hand, and it's an understatement. >> do you wonder about how long,
you can stay in this occupation? if this is part of? >> one of the reasons i came forward, this is bigger than me, as i said you're used to seeing violent, lacks my blood is still starting to boil in january, at the insurrection there, but i felt it was important to come forward to speak, out both in the police report, i do intend to press charges if they're able to find the individual or individuals that did this. but, for people who want to run for office, are people who are in appointed, office or working as public officials, or just people and especially people of color, who are trying to be community leaders. i needs a come forward, and say that this has happened. so that we can get the other folks in our communities, you do not want to see this happening, who are unaware that it is happening, but to say that this has got to stop, it's not right, it's not who we are
as americans, and it's not who we are as iowans. i felt it was important to come forward and try to encourage others to come forward. and so that no one is a bystander. i think that's the critical piece. because, the folks that have, that are responding to trump's encouragement of violence, we need everyone else, to be speaking forward and saying enough is enough, this is not who we are. it's just got to stop. it was one small step i think for me to come forward, and i've heard lots of support from many others, thanking me for doing so, really, i just take it a data time, we've got to stop this. >> ross wilbur, and thank you very much for joining us tonight, i agree with, you and i'm sorry this is the subject you're joining us on tonight. we would love to have you come back to discuss the important presidential campaign state of iowa, many times in the future.
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vice president kamala harris in its treasury secretary janet yellen held two separate meetings with democrats this afternoon. the white house, met with nine progressive house members, including congressman -- the for meeting with seven house and senate moderates, including our next guest, congresswoman susan delbene. here's what white house press secretary jen psaki said about why the president held separate meetings. >> they are duels between factions of the party. there's broad agreement actually, about the vast
majority of issues here. so the president is basing this approach on five decades of washington, which is a pretty good guide for how to get things done. and he felt these were the appropriate groups to come together. it's important for people to understand that it's not as if these members don't talk to each other in congress, or don't have their own meetings with each other. >> this morning, president biden met separately with senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, ahead with his meetings this afternoon, when asked about her meeting with president biden, senator sinema replied quote, it was good. joining us now, is democratic congresswoman susan del, benny of the state of washington, she's the chair of the new democrat coalition. thank you so much for joining us tonight. here on what's considered the moderate side of the house. where are you, in these negotiations? >> well we had a great meeting with the president, and the vice president and secretary yellen, and i think one thing that was really truly a step
forward, was that we had a good discussion about specific proposals, the president was looking, at some of the things he thought, would help us get to that to 18 in the, house in 50 in the senate. so, this was important, we'd have many conversations up until this, point talking about different issues, but really, we have to look at the entire package, with the substance of the entire package would look like, and at this point we started having more of that specific conversation, which i think was very, important because we all have a huge sense of urgency, that we need to get this done right away. >> you have in the past been supportive of the 3.5 trillion dollar target. you're one of the moderates who's willing to go to that level. but now obviously, it's some kind of scaling back, discussion. what are the points, that you consider most important, to preserve? >> well, i think there's been a
lot of focus on a number, and i think the focus needs to be on the substance of the legislation. even pushing the new coalition, which is made up 95 members of house democrats, we've been pushing hard for the extensions of the expanded child tax credit. something that has reduced child poverty in our country, reduce poverty for 3 million children already. since those checks started going out in july. we support the permanent extension of the premium of substance ease, for the affordable care act. which has helped more and more people have affordable health care coverage in our country. as well as making sure we close the medicaid expansion gap. and we need to go big on climate. this is an existential threat, for the globe. and so we think it's important that we look and decarbonization. and cleaner renewable energy. those are three big priorities from the need gem coalition, but there's more we can do, we
always thought it was important that people need with their priorities, and that we focus on the substance of the bill, and that's with the american people are going to, feel is what we actually put, in not a number. >> did the president tell you what joe manchin's position is on the climate provisions? and whether there's any possibility of holding on to any of that in the senate? >> the president talked about some of the challenges that he has faced, making sure that we have votes on climate, it's a incredibly important area, and so he's trying to be creative with ideas and what we can do, that will pass the house and passed the senate, and we provided feedback, each of his that were there provided feedback, and some of the proposals that he put forward, not only on climate, but also an issue supporting our families, in our communities, so that he could take that into account, as he continues his efforts to help us land the plane. to make sure we get not only
the build back better act passed, but also the infrastructure bill passed right away, folks want to see us, they want to see governance, work they want to see us get this done. we do have a sense of urgency, and want to get this done right away. >> congresswoman, thank you very much for joining us, tonight we really appreciate it. >> absolutely. >> joining us now is democratic congressman of california. he's a member of the congressional progressive caucus. where are we, and i know no one wants to talk to, number and everybody wants to talk to specifics, so where are we on the specifics? let me begin with climate. joe manchin, could be the defining vote in the senate, on what's possible in the climate provisions in this legislation. has the president told you, in the progressive side, where joe manchin is? and where this bill might have to end up on climate issues? >> lawrence were overall in a good, plays the president was very candid, for example he
said that the clean energy program probably will not make it in. there will be a lot of tax incentives for solar and winds. but there was a candid conversation about how are going to ensure, that we hit the presidents goal, by 2030, of reducing emissions by 50%. he's open to ideas, and whatever we propose obviously, he needs to sell to senator manchin, but that is one place where we still need to negotiate and come to consensus. >> what about timing on this? it seems, it sounds, like everyone is kind of realizing that you members, house and senate, are looking at this from an outside world perspective, and starting to notice, that it looks very messy and slow. it seems like your all tending to an agreement of, let's get an agreement, let's get this done, as fast as we can. >> lawrence that's, ray i'll tell you what convinced, me i'm not for this october 31st
arbitrary deadline, but the president looked us in the eyes and said, you cannot have me go to glasgow, empty-handed, that will damage the united states leadership, that will damage our progress on climate, i need a deal, i need to show that american democracy is working, i need to show that the democrats can govern, i saw people shaking their heads, i think the president making that direct and ask, he was clear he was super engaged, he knew the details of every, policy i believe he'll get it across the finish, line before he leaves. >> by that, it sounds like we mean a deal, and announced a bowl deal, that everyone cannot necessarily complete series of votes would legislate until. >> lawrence honestly, there's some difference of opinion on that in the, caucus my view is that the president, said i will give you my word, i will give you my word if we have 50 votes. and you can take that to the bank. i trust the president. i think if the president comes out and says i guarantee you
this is going to pass the senate, without any drama, that's good enough, we can get it done. >> and so what is next? we know at the meetings were today, do you have a sense of what has to happen next? to get to an agreement? >> lawrence the president has to engage the two senators, senator sanders as well, and come up with a framework. and we all need to go out and tell people what's in this, bill first we need to make it clear, that this is less than 2%, over gdp. it's a very small investments as richer country we, are in every american is finally going to get to go to preschool in this country. every person every family is going to get childcare, seniors are going to get dental benefits, vision, hearing. we can afford this lawrence as the richest country in the world, it's time we do, this and i'm proud to be part of a congress that is going to get this done. >> congressman, thank you very much for joining us again tonight. we really appreciate. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming, up colorado's
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belinda committed a breach and neglect of duty and other wrongful acts as such peters and nestle are unable to appropriately perform the duties of the mason county designated election official. secretary jena griswold, grace the ruling saying quote, that it bars peters from further threatening the integrity of mrs. election and ensures mesa county residents have the secure and accessible election they deserve. joining us now is jena griswold, colorado secretary of state and the chair of the democratic association of secretary of state. thank you very much for joining us tonight. what does this judge's decision mean for the colorado election? >> thanks for having me, lawrence, i think it's a really important decision because it shows that we are going to have great elections just like normal. we had a county clerk willing to compromise the integrity of
an entire county and our statewide elections to prove the big lie. so the court decision effectively bars that county clerk and her deputy from participating but the bigger picture is, that we cannot have election administrators who are trying to prove the big lie and not upholding what they should be doing. and that's running great elections for their citizens. so luckily in colorado, we continue to be on a great track. and we are currently having an election under its way and it's going just fantastically. >> i want to read more from the judge's ruling. so the audience will understand what was happening here. judge says, peters was untruthful with the secretary and her stuff. peters phil to follow the rules and order up the secretary by facilitating and allowing a non employee, without disclosed background check to have access to a secured area. nicely aided peters in her wrongful act by requesting that
the cameras be disabled. in doing so, knisely ensure that the wrongful behavior of peters could not be viewed. peters and knisely also failed to take adequate precautions to ensure that confidential information would be protected. this is the kind of evidence in the case the clerk says that she is going to appeal this ruling. >> the clerk does say that. and they have petitioned the colorado supreme court, but the facts before themselves. and in fact, the facts are not even in dispute in this case. a county clerk allowed images of the hard drives and then access to voting equipment by unauthorized third parties. risking the entire integrity of a county election system. so i acted swiftly, my office set up a protocol to ensure that the residents of those counties, would have a great
election. and a court has already agreed with our actions. so we think we should continue to win these cases. but one of the things i think we should be discussing is the fact that right now, there are 700 candidates on republican ticket running for office. 500 at the statewide level are at the state level that are pushing the big lie. this insider threat that we saw in colorado is very likely going to be seen across the nation and we have to get ready. we need to make sure that insider threat from elected officials who are more interested in their politics than democracy are able to be stopped. >> are you confident that there isn't any other threat like this in any other county in colorado? yes, i am confident in the colorado's election system. we only had evidence of one
insider threat and we swiftly took care of them. i do believe though, that this will be a reoccurring three across the nation and future elections. the republican party has a new plea book. that is to lie lie lie, undermine, until future elections. we are seeing the effects of that playbook through fake audits across the nation. elected officials lying through their teeth to try and help themselves and their party. over 500 pieces of voter suppression introduced in 47 states. so i do think that to the urgency of this moment and how we are seeing it being displayed is just a next essential threat to democracy. >> colorado senator of state, jena griswold, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> elizabeth warren explained the biden tax enforcement proposal in a hearing today. that is next.
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