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thank you for sharing you're feelings of current president trump. >> in that man's world, biden has never been president. it does make you wonder how trump would be allowed to run for a third term in 2024. anyway, the work of john klepper on thank you at-home for joining us this hour. boy has this been a weird news day. we woke up to surprise news this morning, that the fbi was raiding a mansion in washington d.c.. a mansion apparently owned by russian oligarch, oleg depripaska, or at least by concerns close to. him russian oligarch, had of course a starring role in the mueller report.
and in the whole russia scandal, when the truck campaign, for example, was explicitly sending secret internal polling data to a russian intelligence officer. while russia was intervening in that election to try and help trump win. both mueller and the center of -- said the intended recipient of that secret material in russia was this guy russian oligarch. that's why his name is familiar when you saw the news that the fbi was riding his home today. we don't know why the fbi raided his home in d.c., and another place that he owns in new york city. but, i have questions. [laughs] . we'll try to get some answers on that tonight. i was surprised. this afternoon, we also got some surprise news that a civic republican member of congress has just been indicted on multiple felony charges. it's republican congressman jeff fortenberry. he has been in congress since
2005. today, he was charged by a federal grand jury with three felony counts. they are related to allegations that he accepted illegal foreign campaign contributions in the 2016 election. and then, according to prosecutors, he covered it up and lied to investigators about it. this is a public corruption prosecution by the justice department. congressman we jeff fortenberry, was scheduled to be a rain tomorrow in court, in california. that is a remarkable story in itself. and it is sort of a theme. jeff fortenberry, indictment today coming halfway through the federal trial, of a man name lev parnas. former associate of lucy giuliani really devastated allegations against giuliani and former president trump. an attorney general among others. in terms of what he said was their knowledge of involvement in the scheme in ukraine. that led to trump's first impeachment. with mr. parnas is himself in
federal court for allegedly funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars in illegal foreign campaign contributions, to republican campaigns in 2016, including campaigns that benefited former president trump. [laughs] like i said it doesn't force sort of having a theme day in the news. but now tonight there is breaking news out of congress. just in the last hour or so, the committee investigating the attack on the u.s. capitol on january six, has taken the first step to hold trump advisor, steve bannon, in contempt of congress. this means that they are starting the process that could potentially and brendan being criminally prosecuted. last month, this committee subpoenaed steep bennett for documents and testimonies. this is part of their investigation into the violent attack on the u.s. capitol by trump supporters on january six, then they said that he would not cooperate with the subpoena. he would not turn over any documents nor would he cooperate with the demand for
testimony. in response to that, refusal from bennett, the committee investigating the attack tonight took action. there are seven democrats on this committee investigating the january 6th attack. seven democrats, and to republicans. all of those committee members were present for the vote tonight. and the vote tonight was unanimous. it was a nine to nothing vote. in support of holding mr. bannon in contempt. now what happens next areas that there will be a vote on the matter in the full house. just before we got on the, air moments ago, the house majority leader announced that that vote in the full house would have been the day after tomorrow. on thursday, if as probably expected, the majority of the house votes in favor of holding steve bannon in contempt. what happens then is that the matter gets referred to the justice department for prosecution. it will actually be up to the u.s. attorney in washington, d.c.. to decide whether or not to bring a federal contempt prosecution against bannon, but the house will decide on
thursday whether to recommend that. to refer that to the prosecutor. if the prosecutor decides to bring a prosecution against bennett, that will not be the first time that the justice department has prosecuted someone for defying a congressional subpoena, but it is a rare thing. it has been a while since this has happened. the last time the justice department indicted somebody in circumstances like this was 1983. anna reagan administration official refused to testify to congress about her management of the epa's super funds site. there were all sorts of allegations about mismanagement, and pull aside stations of the super fun inside the ap a. she was subpoenaed to testify over handing over documents. she refused. when the house voted that year in 1983, on whether the house should recommend to the justice department that this official be prosecuted for contempt of congress. the vote in the house that year was unanimous. the vote was 400 and 13 to 0. once the justice department got
that unanimous referral from the house to prosecute her, the d.c. u.s. attorney's office move quickly. they pretty much immediately convened a grand jury, and within eight days, of that vote in the house, the grand jury in fact, handed down an indictment of that rigging image ministration official. so she was put on trial. but, in the end, surprise, the grand jury, the jury, acquitted her. she was found not guilty. of criminal contempt of congress. and that was the last time that it was tried, 1983. this is not a thing the justice department this often. it has been almost 40 years since they took a run at it. but they don't have to reinvent the wheel. the president is there. it's just very rarely used. we mean well, just up to drama, former president donald trump sued the january six investigation, and the national archives yesterday. in an attempt to stop the committee from obtaining trump white house documents and other records that the committee has subpoenaed in part of its
investigation into the attack on the capitol. trump is not only asking the federal judge to block the requests for records, full stop. he is asking to prevent the national archives we should be prevented from turning these documents over to the committee. but he is also asking the court to tell the national archives, that they need to identify all documents from trump's time in the white house that could be considered conceivably relevant to this request, and trump wants his own lawyers to have time to review every one of these documents at their leisure before they decide whether or not to turn them over to congress. you understand why he is like king for that in that way. but bottom, line he's asking for a process that could've of course taking use. it remains to be seen whether or not trump will have any luck in the courts here. trying to block these documents from its time in the white house to be handed over to the investigation. but mr. bennett, tried to go on to that trump lost so yesterday, it's kind of a last-ditch
effort, to evade his own legal jeopardy. he bennett's lawyers we. he sent this letter to the committee yesterday saying in light of this new lawsuit by trump, biden would like to ask the january six investigation to delay its vote tonight. on whether or not to hold them in contempt. he wanted a delay of the week as to whether or not it would be held in contempt. he wanted that week delay while his lawyers,, quote, access the -- of this pending litigation. the january six committee promptly replied, to mr. steve bannon, requests, saying no hard pass. no runs exist for any adjournment or other delay in your request is denied. it took him all of one paragraph to make that very clear. white house counsel's office, this is interesting, this is not part of congress, this is counsel's office that advises president biden inside the
white house. the counsel's office said sent him a letter of their own. telling mr. benin that the white house, quote, not aware of any basis for your refusal to appear for the physician. either legal or otherwise. venegas tried to claim that he can refuse a subpoena on the basis of trump asserting executive privilege. the white house reminding mr. steve bannon, the only the sitting president can exert executive. privilege and in this case president is not doing so. ahead of tonight's vote, the january six committee released a report outlining the ways in which steve bannon, delinquent in his response to a subpoena. but also in the public interest that he comply. the report says that in part, quote, mister steve bannon, and documents committee are critical to the select committee's investigation. among other topics the committee seeks facts that explains why the events of january six turned violent. statements publicly made by mr. steve bannon, on january 5th,
suggests that he had some for knowledge about extreme events that would occur the next day. information in benin's possession is essential to putting other witnesses testimony and productions into appropriate context and to ensuring the select committee can fully and expeditiously complete its work. and so, the committee recommends, that i steve bannon, shall be found to be contempt of congress to failure to comply with the congressional subpoena. that was the recommendation in the report last night. tonight, just about an hour ago, the committee took the vote. unanimously agreed with that recommendation. they have not taken the first step in holding bannon in contempt of congress for refusing to comply with the investigation. the entire proceeding in the committee tonight was so fast, it was just under half an hour. and it had a very solemn cloud over it. perhaps more solemn that i would've been expected in this circumstance. i will show you what i mean, this is the chairman of the january six investigation, congressman benny thompson, bringing the special meeting into session.
>> let me start by saying that it gives me no joy, and i've been forced to call this meeting. i think my colleagues feel the same way expectation of this committee is that all witnesses will cooperate with our investigation. witnesses who have been subpoenaed, have a legal obligation to do so. and when you think about what we investigate, a violent attack on the seat of our democracy, perpetrated by fellow citizens, on our constitution. in attempt to stop the certification of an election. it is shocking to me, shocking to anyone who would not do anything in their power to assist our investigation. while we don't know all the facts, we do know that there was a powerful push to overturn the legitimate results of the
2020 election. americans have been in continued to be lied to about that. we know that ultimately there was a violent attack that interfered with the peaceful transfer of power from one president to another. we know that lies about the outcome of that election have not gone away. and now we have a key witness who is flat out refusing to comply with the complete congressional subpoena. and cooperate with our investigation. the rule of law remains under attack right now. if there are no accountability for these abuses, if there are different sets of rules, different types of people, then our democracy is in serious trouble. i share this committee, i won't allow for their harm to the rule of law in the course of our work. mr. steve bannon, will comply
with our investigation, or he will face the consequences. >> mr. bannon will comply with our investigation, or he will face the consequences. that is mr. congressman, and chairman of the january 6th elect committee, congressman benny thompson. congressman thompson joins us live right now. sir thank you very much for joining us tonight, i know that this is a big and busy night. >> thank you very much for having me rachel. >> so your committee voted unanimously, nine to nothing tonight. to hold mr. bannon in contempt. we understand that the next stop is the vote in the full house, which we have just learned will happen the day after tomorrow on, thursday. what do you expect from that vote? do you expect any republicans, for example, other than the two on your committee, might join democrats in voting to hold mr. bannon in contempt? >> well, rachel, we are hoping so. as you know, this is an opportunity for the house to express its displeasure with
what mr. bannon is trying to do. he is actually trying to chart the process of democracy. what we have going for us is an opportunity to set the record straight. i hope my republican colleagues will join us it is unfortunate that people saw would have been, play out on january six before their very eyes. i, now all of a sudden, people are trying to make a mockery, that it didn't happen, that we have to wait, we need more time. this is not. it we are looking forward to going to rules committee, rachel, and obviously a vote by the full house on thursday. and then it will go to the speaker for her to send it to the district of columbia for their processing.
>> do you have any indication from the justice department? has there been any discussions already with the justice department about how they might handle this criminal contempt referral? obviously it's been 40 years since they brought it up to prosecution on this grounds. >> well, we have intentionally not talk to the justice department about it. we understand the process. we will go forward. it's our expectation that once the justice department gets it, they will expedite the consideration. it is quite clear. we have as a committee the authority to issue subpoenas, we did, he chose to ignore, and now we are following the process that is outlined to us by law. and it's our expectation that the justice department will move expeditiously in presenting this to a grand jury
from mr. bannon's indictment. we take seriously the work of the committee. we have not only subpoenaed mr. bannon, but a number of other people. others up to this point, they've engaged to the committee. we are getting material. we have been discussions. with their lawyers. but he has just totally ignored the process, and basically for whatever reason, he is still trying to follow donald trump. donald trump is not president. he can sue all he wants to. but you know, at the end of the day, his intimidation prove lawsuits won't get him anywhere without a committee. because we firmly believe that we don't sound [inaudible] . >> in terms of the substance of what you want to hear from mr. bennett, i was really interested to read that very detailed report recommending
this vote tonight that your committee took. talking specifically about needing to concern why it was the of january 6th a turn violent. mr. bennett having things to answer for in that regard in terms of his for knowledge of how the events would go that day. ben and told his listeners and the podcast the day before the rally on january 5th. he said quote, it is not going to happen like you think it's going to have been. it is going to be extraordinarily different and all i can say is, strap in. is it essentially your contention that comments like those from steve bannon prove that he had some for knowledge of how serious the events of the next day might be? or indeed intentionally how violent they might be? >> there is no question in the minds of the committee. we believe that mr. steve bannon clearly was one of the persons encouraging the insurrection to have been. so what we have to do is get
him before us in a deposition, answer the question he needs to tell us what he was doing, in the hotel the evening before the insurrection. he needs to tell us what was he doing at the white house. if he was there, we need to know who he was communicating with. as well as who is financing his operations. you do understand that mr. steve bannon, was part of -- pardon by donald trump for stealing money from people who wanted to build a wall on the southern border. so he does not come with clean hands to start with. so this was an opportunity for steve bannon to clear the air. as to just what kind of a person he is. but he chose to be the person that he is. the flaw the law. and he thinks that he could get over it. get beyond that. but you know congress spoke
loudly and strongly by putting this committee together. we take our work seriously, and steve been in, and no other individual will take the law into their own hands. this committee will do their job. >> mr. chairman let me just ask you one last question before i let you go, it's a bigger question question about this picture. you have questioned this work diligently, and with a real sense of urgency, i mean part of what's going on here is some of the people that you have approached for documents and testimonies are trying to drag this out. trying to make this take is long as possible, delay is obviously one of the best destruction tactics that targets of investigations and even witnesses to investigations can use. and you have been overt and very clear about the fact that you are not gonna be delayed. that you are not gonna be diverted from this. given the concerted nature of your worked thus far, and how serious the other members of congress are, who are on this committee, can i just ask you if you feel like thus far, you
have learned things that have surprised you? obviously, you are not ready to report when you found, you are not ready to tell the country whether the results of your investigation aren't, but as far as it has gotten a so far, have you learned things that surprised you? have you learned things that the rest of us don't know about how those events came together and what kind of risk we were at as a country? >> well, we absolutely have. obviously i can tell you, rachel. but we have thousands of pages of information that we've been supplied by attorneys, we have gone over a research, they are going over. it our committee is briefed on a daily basis as to what information is forthcoming. and so in the pursuit of getting to the facts. we have to have access to the department of defense records, white house records. homeland security. department of interior records all of those records. when the process of getting.
making sure that the people who took out the permanence for the park. we want to know why would people bring bear spray to a peaceful march. why would people bring bulletproof vests to a march? if you didn't come for a purpose other than something peaceful. so we want to know who financed it, we want to know who charted the buses. we want to know who charted the airplanes. and we will track the money. we have people on staff who are dedicated to finding out who financed the people who came to washington and did what they did on january six. they broke the law. and right now the justice department is prosecuting a number of people but i assure you at the end of the day, the
public will be shocked to know how close we came to losing our democracy if those insurrectionists had obviously succeeded. >> congressman bennie thompson, of the great state of mississippi of the january 6th select committee. thank you very much for being here, i know these couple of days are going to be busy and intense, thank you for helping us understand. >> thank you for having me. >> again the january six committee voting unanimously to refer former trump advisor, steve bannon, for criminal contempt of congress prosecution in the household vote on that, we just found out that the house will vote on that a full house on thursday. at that point, if the vote, the majority, that will be headed to the u.s. eternity for potential prosecution. that is something that hasn't happened in nearly 40 years. in times of justice department prosecution just like this, but that is the road we are on. there's more ahead tonight, to stay with us.
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action-packed expense account. that is mine and susan's favorite to listen to together. johnny dollar is my favorite, he's an insurance investigator, he has an action packed expense account, because the stories are told for the itemize list of expenses that he filed with his employer, the insurance company for every case that he investigates for them. and sort of a 90 premise for a drama. but for whatever reason it totally worked on radio. i love all of those old radio dramas. radio please. for sheer scare value though, which is important this time of year, you really can't be the or son wells classic from the 1930s, called the shadow. i'm going to play you the audio snippet of how every episode of the shadows started. i heard it and julian times, i think i heard every single episode of the shadow. i still find it actually scary every time i hear. >> [laughs]
who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of. [laughs] the shadow knows. >> the shadow knows. with the evil laugh. the two evil laughs. that's the problem, it comes back. the premise of the shadow was a little bit different in the books and the detective magazines because it wasn't in the radio plays. but the radio plays very simple. there is this handsome, wealthy, but all the sort of stand off-ish young man. a young man about town. he is called lamont crimson. and lamont is a sort of irresistible to women. and interestingly he always find himself in the outskirts of interesting more voters, and other crimes. but the secret of limb on, the secret of the whole plot of the shadow. was that kristen could bamboozled people. he had some kind of cold ability that he had known for his trouble overseas. that allowed him to both read
other people's minds. he knew what they were thinking. but he could also basically hypnotize them, so they couldn't see him. he had the power of invisibility, which he could use through his mind powers. and it was very scary. you can tell from the way that the thing opens. with the evil laugh. the shadow knows, was actually a spooky scary thing. but lamont, for all of his spookiest and scary things, and is scary power. he used his powers for good. he used his ability to hypnotize people and to essentially become invisible, he would use that to scare the big jesus out of criminals. and ultimately to solve crime. there were these detective stories, and novels in the shadows series, it's or symbols who plays princeton, in the radio show and it's great. if you ever have a chance to listen to and you obviously. shen but the man who came up with the characters, and wrote the sears the shadow, was a man named walter gibson.
and walter gibson, legend has it, lived in a haunted house, in new york city. a haunted house on a cricket little street in greenwich village. a history with the funny name, it's called gay street, but not for that reason. mr. gibson at one point said that he drunk up the lamont character while he lived there. because the place was so spooky. [laughs] it made it easy to imagine a man that could float through doorways, flow through walls, and disappear in a puff of smoke. that was the town house inspiration for the scary character lamont, from the shadows. that three story town house, on gay, street has since become a stop in the new york's ghost tour. because people like a ghost story, you have to put something on the tour. this house was a former speak easy, called the pirates done, it was reportedly the former
home of the new york city mayor, named jimmy walker, it was real dandy and reportedly housed his mistress there for years. the house was also apparently home to the original howdy duty guy. the puppeteer. although i don't think that there are any allegations about how duty hunting the place. there are -- how duty hunting the place would be the most focused thing to me. but the ghost story here, the ghost story about that place, is the successive owner of that town halls, at 12 gay street in new york city, have apparently reported hearing weird thumbs. and hearing weird inexplicable noises and seeing weird ghostly apparition's. including a man in a top had who appeared in the weird though, or appeared around the corner, and never quite figured out where. and again this is just a story, it's just a legend, when this town house went on the market in october 2000. nine the new york daily news, one of the great new york tabloids said quote, the historic gay street property on
the corner of wave early, place is rumored to be inhabited by the restless spirit who walks the creaking floors forwards at night. legend has it that a man in top hat until's have been spotted in the building. one neighbor we telling the new york daily news, that she had seen mysterious faces appear in the windows of the building. and she heard inexplicable noises. she told the paper quote, there are ghosts and all of these, buildings it just happens, it's very spiritual. another neighbor who lived across the street from the town house, told the paper quote, i wouldn't go in there right now. it's a legendary that goes live there. that place would be like moving into the shining. the shining. the shadow. it's all very spooky right. today that same house, that exact same house on gay street in new york city, got a spooky new development and it's long spooky history that house was raided by the fbi was. simultaneously today and
without, warning that supposedly haunting house, i'm gay street in new york city, and a huge mansion on embassy road in washington d.c.. both of those properties were raided today by the fbi. now both of these properties are owned by or at least associated with a man named oleg garry pascal. he's a russian oligarch he was once the richest man in russia. for years he's been denied visas to visit the united states, because of what the u.s. government said were his reported ties to the russian mafia. he was also formally sanctioned by the u.s. government in 2018 along with six other russian oligarchs. basically as punishment for what's the treasury department called quote russia's malign worldwide activities. he and the other billionaire russians who were sanctioned in that order, were accused of using would appear to be sort of reportedly their private or commercial interests, to act on behalf of the russian
government. to carry out activities on behalf of the kremlin, and on behalf of russian president vladimir putin. including messing with western democracy at the kremlin's direction. those sanctions were imposed, in 2018. he sued to have those sanctions dropped. a federal judge earlier this year throughout his lawsuit and kept the sanctions in place. in the midst of that, case the treasury department wrote to him and told him the sanctions were still warranted in part because of recent allegations that he was money laundering on deripaska a grand scale for vladimir putin new. he was hiding some of his vast fortune by running it through deripaska his companies with him knowing. that said, if deripaska name rings a bell of you at all, it's likely because of the russian investigation he was that linchpin in the mueller report in the senate intelligence committee's
investigation, he was the linchpin of the most serious allegations about trump in the crump campaign's involvement with russia. while russian was meshing with our election in 2016 to help get him elected president. one of the spookiest revelations of that scandal, was when we learned, in march of 2017, just weeks after trump was sworn in, that before paul manafort had been hired out of obscurity, to come back to overseas, to run for a presidential campaign in 2016, before he did, that he had been on a multi year multi million dollar contract, in which this guy not deripaska paid him to promote the interests of the kremlin around the world. oh into that contract and? now the senate intelligence committee in the mueller report documents is how, before manafort ran the trump campaign, new deripaska world pro putin, pro kremlin political parties, in other countries, including
ukraine, and then basically hired manafort to run those interests. before manafort, inexplicably arrived from overseas to start running the trump campaign. deripaska had bankrolled efforts to disrupt elections in countries like montenegro, to promote the kremlin's interests. with help from manafort who is working from him in those efforts. but then manafort started working on the trump campaign, and once he was running the trump campaign, he had all of these bizarre interactions with deripaska. he repeatedly offered deripaska private briefings and what was going on in the campaign, why it is a russian oligarch need to be briefed inside a republican presidential campaign? mueller's investigators in the senate intelligence committee described in, detail how manafort, while he was running the trump campaign, met repeatedly with a russian intelligence officer. on multiple occasions, manafort arranged to send that russian intelligence officer private sensitive internal campaign
materials, from the trump campaign. in the understanding that those materials would be passed on to deripaska. again, why it is a russian oligarch need to see non public private sensitive campaign information, in the middle of russian interfering in our election, to help trump. and why is a russian intelligence officer the conduit for that information from trump's campaign manager? trump campaign chair. the senate intelligence committee in their investigation, bluntly described deripaska like this. they said quote oleg deripaska is one of the kremlin's most significant malign influence operatives. he has close ties to the russian intelligence services and he has been involved in the targeting of foreign elections. that is deripaska and now today he had his place in d.c., his big mansion in d.c., his town house and granted village in new york, raided by the fbi. why? no idea. but, because a good goes stories of eerie twisted the, end where you don't quite know
how serious they are, we also get this great detail in the local reporting on these fbi raids, of who deripaska neighbors are at these properties. both of them. apparently his next door neighbor, at his mansion in d.c. they got raided today, his neighbor there, right next door, is kellyanne conway. from the trump white house. in her fascinating, never trump conservative lawyer trump george conway. they live right next door to oleg deripaska. conway telling -- at the house. he nevertheless he came over to check out what was going on with the fbi raid. the town house in new york, the one they got rated this morning, the haunted one i'm gay street in new york city, one of all likes neighbors there, across the street neighbor, there is a totally different figure in trump world, and in the russia scandal, do you remember trump's longtime adviser roger stone, was convicted of other
things, witness intimidation? there was a lured series of allegations where you might remember about, it is roger stone according to prosecutors, threatened to steal the dog, of a man he knew, a man who had testimony to offer about roger stone in the trump campaign, making contact with wikileaks, when wikileaks was distributing all the material that russian intelligence and hacked during the election. the man who was that witness, to what was going on between roger stone of the trump campaign in wikileaks, the man whose dog roger stone threatened to steal, as a way to try to stop the guy from testifying on the russian investigation, he is a new yorker named randi crackle. he's the manner for two decades at least, liberate across the street, from that haunted house on gays street in new york city. he in fact, is the guy. he is the neighbor, who told the daily news back in the day, back in 2009, that no one would want to move into that, house everybody knew that house is haunted. it would be like moving into the shining.
that neighbor, across the street, happens to be a guy who had a starring role in the russian investigation as well. so, oleg deripaska has consistently denied working on behalf of the kremlin, in any of its activities. deripaska spokesperson today said he doesn't own either of these properties they got, rated he said they actually belong to his relatives, and he has nothing to do with them. just for context, here bloomberg news reported late last, year that european authorities, had warned the u.s. government, that deripaska was evading sanctions, by still, in effect, running his company and by putting his assets in the name of his relatives, while he's still really controlled all of those assets himself. so to hear deripaska spokesperson today say they're not as properties, there is relatives properties. that rhymes with other allegations against deripaska. that kind of allege subterfuge
by deripaska, that accused means of evading the sanctions, led to a really interesting vote in the congress in 2019, congress both the house in the senate voted overwhelmingly in 2019, on a resolution that would have blocked the trump administration, from easing up on the sanctions, against deripaska and's companies. trump administration wanted the ease up on those sanctions, and congress voted that the trump administration should not do that. that's, said despite a big majority vote in the house, and a majority vote in the senate, it was republican majority leader, mitch mcconnell, who made sure that failed. made sure that resolution, was blocked by senate filibuster. so in fact, the trump administration was able to ease the sanctions on deripaska even the most of congress one of them not. to that is how senator mcconnell got the nickname moscow mitch, and it emerged
around the time that vote that, deripaska company has dangled to mitch mcconnell that they might build a big new factory in mitch mcconnell's home, state and mcconnell took those otherwise unthinkable steps in the senate to protect him and ease the sanctions on him. listen, we don't know what the fbi raided these homes for today, the fbi is not talking. neither is the prosecutors office in the southern district of, new york which is apparently where the court orders came from. for these rates today. we don't know yet. i mean, who knows what evil lurks. we will do our best to figure it, up who knows knows
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rated by the fbi, along with another one of his properties a man. handwriting us now is rosalind held, herman washington post political investigation reporter, miss alderman thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> do we know anything about what investigation these raids might have been part of? >> you know, as you mentioned, we really don't. all we know is that they are part of an ongoing criminal investigation, based out of new york. the statement put out by deripaska representative in moscow today suggested that it might be a dispute over his adherence to the sanctions that were imposed on him in 2018. but we do not have any confirmation on that from the u.s. side. and we do know that federal investigators have had interest in him and his business dealings for a long long time. in all kinds of areas. we really at this point do not know what these raids are about.
>> there had been public reporting, mentioned today in the new york times and other places. that deripaska was under investigation, or least was a person of interest, to other federal prosecutors in new york, the eastern district of new york. this is apparently something that's derived from the southern district of new york. prosecutors there. do we have any inkling as to whether or not any of those reported investigations of mr. deripaska, interest by prosecutors, was related to the russia investigation? or is this likely to be economic matters and things related to the imposition of those sanctions? >> we genuinely don't know, when sanctions were imposed on him, the language that the treasury department used, suggested that he has been involved in all kinds of illegal activity, unrelated to those matters, money laundering, racketeering, all sorts of things. and of course he has denied all of, that he's also been long
rumored to have ties to russian organized crime, which he has vigorously and repeatedly denied. whether this investigation has to do with that, or with sanctions evasion, or something, else we kind of just at this point are in the dark on. >> do we know if mr. deripaska, lived in either of these properties? >> i don't think he did. i know more about the washington home, which as you mentioned, we sort of first revealed had links to him in 2017. at that time i did a lot of reporting of talking to neighbors, you mentioned the conway's live next door, his neighbor across the street actually at that time was the longtime adviser to bill clinton. it's very prominent street. and the neighbors said that they had never seen him, he did sort of sweep in the town when he was able to get a visa to come to the united states, he apparently directed extremely extensive renovations at that
mansion. but i do not think he ever actually lived there, nor i don't believe in the new york home. >> russell, in washington post political investigations reporter. this is such a really intriguing story, eventually will get the story. it only feels like around the first ups of it. now thanks for helping us understand tonight. >> thank you. >> okay, will be right back, stay with us. okay, will be right back, stay with us stay with us that was in these clothes...ugh. but the clothes washed in tide- so much cleaner! if it's got to be clean, it's got to be tide hygienic clean
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