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tonight's last word. the 11th hour with brian williams, starts now. >> good evening once again day 272 of the biden administration, and this evening flags at the white house, lives throughout washington and the u.s. facility throughout the country and around the world are at half staff in honor of colin paul who died this morning, general paul was 84 years old, he died of covid complications while battling both parkinson's and multiple myeloma. we will have more and much more of its life and legacy just ahead. tonight is also the eve of the first major legal showdown for the special house committee, investigating the january 6th riot and insurrection. and a little over 20 hours, the committee is scheduled to formally vote on whether to adopt a report recommending criminal contempt charges
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against trump advisor steve bannon, who had failed to comply with the subpoena. earlier tonight they released the report on ben interfusions. it outlines what the committee wants from him. and it recommends that he'd be referred to the justice department for prosecution. bannon argues that he doesn't have to comply because of donald trump's attempt to assert donald trump's -- to try and keep this activity and those of his aides and allies from congressional scrutiny. tonight members of the committee flatly rejected that argument. >> his claim of executive privilege is just really a stretch. first, he was not even an employee of the white house, or the federal government. and so we would not ordinarily be covered by any of the executive privilege claim. and let's say this in plain english, there must be something trump does not want the committee to see, pertaining to one six, because just today his lawyers filed
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suit in a d.c. district court against both the committee and the national archives in an attempt to keep the documents from his white house term private. trump was also occupied with a separate legal matter today, he spent four and a half hours testifying of their or the behind closed door, in trump tower in manhattan, today's deposition was for a lawsuit brought by protesters who say that his security team rough them up back in september 2015. as for the nation's current president, he is stepping up efforts to get a democratic agreement on his bills to rebuild infrastructure and expand that social safety net. >> tomorrow he will host two different meetings with house members here at the white house. one with moderates, and one with progressive members. we are encouraged at the excel it with talks, and eager to get this done. >> the speaker has told her house members that she wants to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill by october
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31. that would be 13 days from now. meanwhile, as the administration continues efforts to end up endemic over 45 million covid cases have now been confirmed. in the u.s., over 730,000 americans have now been lost to the virus. with that, we want to return to the news that made so many people pause and reflect today, the death of colin powell. son of immigrants who became the most admired man in america for a time. one of the most important unelected political figures of the past half century, easily. a reluctant warrior as we'd like to say. and a public servant to the court. and before we bring in our first guest tonight, nbc news senior washington correspondent andrea mitchell has his look of his for decades to his service to this country. >> he was the first black chairman of the joint of chief leading the charge in that zone. >> our strategy to go after this army is very simple. first we will cut them off, then we're gonna. call >> colin tell host started
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as an intimate man started to tourism vietnam instantly became a household name. later as america's first black secretary of state. so coming to covid paul was believe x needed, but suffered from prostate cancer, and in recent years multiple myeloma, and parkinson's. once america's popular figures urged him to run for president. >> any regrets that you did not run? you wrote in the book a wrenching your decision was. >> i had to decide about it because -- but after a few weeks of it i realized that this is just not me. this is not what i believe. >> his so-called party bond, rule of, or if you break it you own. let him to privately oppose the iraq war. we were with him in afghanistan in 2002. >> what is it gonna take to put the country back together? >> it is going to take the effort of the whole international community. >> a low point of the year later making a point of --
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mistakingly accepting the cia's pretext of invading iraq. no weapons were ever found. an episode he said, he deeply regretted. in 2008 pow broke from the republican party endorsing barack obama. and strongly criticizing donald trump's challenge to obama's birth rate. >> the correct answer is, he's not a, muslim he's a christian, he's always been a question. but the real right answer is, what if he is? is there something wrong with being a muslim in this country? the answers. no that's not. america >> tributes tonight from around the world including president biden. >> he's not in only a different in a patriot. one of our great military meet the teary leaders and a man in a decent. >> we also stayed on in the spotlight one exception to this moment, two years ago. >> when i walked up to him, you said your general colin powell. >> he's said yes i. >> i knew it was one of, me. >> when anthony manager and amputee pulling over to help and fix it. paul later writing on facebook thank you anthony, you touch my
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soul and reminded me of what this country is all about. let's stop screaming at each other, let's just take care of each other. >> andrea mitchell with that remembrance tonight. a family spokeswoman says that, almond paul, the generals wife of nearly 60 years is sadly also covid positive. but thankfully is recovering well at home. with all of that, let's bring in our starting line on this monday night peter baker, veteran journalist and often chief white house correspondent for the new york times. jacqueline alemany, political reporter for the washington post and the washington post and the earlier too. two and retired four star u.s. army, barry r mccaffrey, once served as colin paul's personal assistance. general is a come back to vietnam former battlefield commander in the gulf. former cabinet member, former member of the national security. good evening and welcome to you. all general i'd like to begin with you. as a young man, you both went off to vietnam you both
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returned seriously wounded comeback veterans, you both retired with four stars on your shoulder. no easy feat. you both spent over 30 years in the u.s. military and then transitioned, still in public service to civilian jobs. so the question is how will you remember your friend colin powell? >> in a lot of ways, my wife and i are both extremely sad about it. his passing, and our thoughts go out to him and his entire. family a remarkable man. a tremendous judgment, with very hard worker, essentially humility even though he was at the center of global interaction. chiefs, and presidents, and prime minister. but eventually if you walk into a white house reception with 300 people, there he would seek out a young soldier in uniform, a law enforcement officer, a
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single mom. he always tried to connect with the people to make the society work. and finally, i think in my judgment, watching the close range, he was an extremely sophisticated man. with sort of an outspoken plane american men are going. but he really understood american politics, an international community. we absolutely loved him. particularly the people in uniform that served within. >> peter baker, it should be noted that he loved cars, and was willing to talk about cars for hours at a time. and it was easily the best of all of the restore in all of northern virginia, certainly the most passionate. on the political front he endorsed barack obama. not just a drive-by, it was thorough, it was sincere, he meant it, and he cut any remaining ties with the
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republican parties after one six. talk for a moment, peter, about the giant of public life that has just left us. >> brian, i think that is exactly the word, the word giant to use about general paul, because he was a giant in washington. and a real powerful way. not just as military service. not just a services. country but is mastery of a capitol where it was easy to get lost. it was easy to get overpowered. to follow into biological tracks. that wasn't him, he was a republican, but the nazi endorsed, as you pointed, out a couple of democratic presidents. he worked for republican presidents, he worked for democratic presidents. it was not about partisanship, it was about his version, and his vision of integrity and service to the country. and i think that he crossed lines that are so hard to cross in today's days, his passing is not just a passing of an
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individual, but in some ways a passing of an era. and they talked about him running in 1996. he the party, would've been happy to have not mandated him. it was like an eisenhower figure. he was a republican that democrats would have certainly been happy to have him on their side because he did inspire people beyond party lines. he inspired them with his example. he inspired with his wisdom. he inspired them with his personality, his magnetism. he inspired with his maturity. which is where we all see a lot in washington these days. and i think when we lost colin paul today, we lost one of the exam floors of an air. that is behind us in some ways. >> he's behind a doctrine that bears's name, militarily. jacqui, we move to you and the comparatively mundane, yet very urgent business of the one six committee. and kind of a dual question. what is the business
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transpiring tomorrow? and what is donald trump arguing in this lawsuit? could that affect anything that the committee is going to? do >> yes brian, would it define republican party that colin powell was a part two as opposed to what we are seeing right now from the former president. and who are arguing today that the records request from the house select committee investigating january six are overly broad and have no legitimate purpose are also seeing steve bannon most likely to be held in criminal content by the house select committee tomorrow who voted at 7:30 pm. and is likely to proceed on to the house floor as soon as possible essentially by the end of the week that would think it referred to the justice department. we heard from the justice department last week that they were stressing their independence, saying that they were not going to be influenced in anyway. by president biden's
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encouraging statement in himself that had been impressing for his agency and being force for the subpoenas not as much information as possible. and not the most comprehensive stored record as possible at the events that occurred on january six. and that insurrection. >> general, back to the topic of your friend and fellow fourth star, colin paul died it seems to me, unsure that the american story was going to have the happy ending that he worked and wished and dream for. having both of you fought, and been wounded in the course of defending democracy, democracy at the time of his death is a little blurry and something of a question mark. talk about the american story arc that his life, and your life have both encompass. >> well certainly general paul,
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his former anima current jamaican work, the parents and education new york city, a city full of minorities struggling to achieve something, is incredible record in the armed enforcement. normally, there's a couple of hundred in the year group after 20 years. we are all sort of equally good. somebody is going to run the army or the joint staff. paul, is better than anybody in the shared group, plus minus a couple of years. so he was an on usual public figure. very courteous, in public, and private. very demanding. tremendous amount of personal homework. i think that i talk to him periodically, or visit him just in the office over the last several years. he was shocked by what was going on in the u.s. government. we had an extra legal, extra constitutional of the guest environment, not just for president, trump but also in
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the behavior of the congress, and six january. so i think it did shake his confidence in what we were up to. but he was an enduring optimist. i think he knows, will work our way through this eventually. >> peter baker again, as we switch topics back and forth, to this trump lawsuit, it seems to me that it brings with it the first direct legal confrontation, unless i'm missing something with the biden white house. what does that do to the mathematics here? >> typically when we have an executive privilege claim by exceeding president of course, the purpose of executive privilege is to protect the confidentiality and communication for commander-in-chief, the governing the country, what president trump in his regards to steve bannon, it is a novel claim, the idea that he can speak with somebody who didn't work for the government, who wasn't advising him on governing the country. he was in fact talking to him
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about his political efforts to overturn the election. that is not what executive privilege has traditionally been used to guard. and it has never, as far as my can tell anyway, has been successfully agreed by somebody outside of government who constituted as covered by exact ability. because basically what you'd be seeing, then if you agree with, that is that any conversation that any president had with any person on the planet with therefore be somehow shielded under executive privilege. because there had been no limits to that. as hard as it is to see. that but it's possible because we never tested how far as we've tested. now steve bannon was not a governor, as you said in the earlier clip he was not advising the president of united states of governing the country. they were talking about politics. they were talking about power, and they were talking about how to keep power, not how to wielded in service to the country. that's an awfully vocal clean. >> jacqui, sadly it falls on
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you to give the democrats who are watching the answer they may not want to hear. to the question, how long could the ban in matter conceivably dry out? >> well, it's contempt, in a post to civil contempt. which is what we saw under trump -- was that if you helped people in criminal contempt it was just going to get referred to, bill barr's justice department. which inevitably would, most likely, take no action to actually hold these people accountable and complying with any sort of subpoena. that being said, the timeline here is really unclear, the justice department has not indicated one way or the other wet this process is going to
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look like. steve bannon could face potentially a year in prison, or 100,000 dollar fine if they do decide to hold him in criminal contempt. but democrats, i have to remind you and are under some time constraints. we've heard from legal experts, time and time again, throughout our reporting over these past few months saying that, if they want to be successful in trying. so again, the timeline unclear, but in democrat's minds, and why they're willing to take such aggressive action here is. cause they want to get this done as quickly as possible, the criminal content is a way to do that. >> on this unusual night, during this unusual times, we are so thankful for three
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friends of this broad chris. peter baker, jack lee alam a, and general -- appreciate you starting us off. coming up for us, president biden's running up against the clock and members of his own party who must know if his agenda fails, his presidency could be doomed to failure as well. we'll talk live with former senator al franken. and later, as one writer puts it, the gop is being asked to accept a permanent state of obedience to the leaser of the last presidential election. why some republicans may be starting to sweat 2022 a little, will explain all of it as the 11th hour is just getting underway on this monday night. as our nation honors statesman. n honors statesman n honors statesman ehicle noises, horns beeping,) (engines revving, cars hi (sfx: continued vehicle calamity.) just think, he'll be driving for real soon.
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is a binary question. whether they will save democracy or not. i'm certainly not optimistic about the vote on wednesday, i think the culture vote is likely to fail. >> democratic congressman, john -- from colorado. critical week for voting legislation, amid everything else on capitol hill. schumer has set up a test vote for wednesday. it's expected to have a support of all 50 democrats, it will be one of those railroad votes. but it's still lacking the ten republicans needed, no doubt really -- reigniting the filibuster debate. so, back with us tonight, former -- al franken, who these days has a good fortune posting the podcast bearing his name. so senator, do you agree with
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this contention that the subset of it is that the democrats screw this up, if joe biden gets robbed of his agenda, that's it next essential threat to the joe biden presidency. >> it is. i still believe it will happen. because it kind of has to. and, i wish they would get on with it, the sooner it happens the better. people really like the elements of this thing, they don't talk enough about the elements. you keep calling it the reconciliation -- build back better, but people love the elements of it. the childcare, medicare, negotiating car pharmaceuticals, k-12 being funded more equally for low income communities, pre-k, eat early childhood -- i mean, all this stuff are stuff people want.
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and the sooner we get it, the more people will be able to see it take effect and the better off we will be. so, i don't know why they want to resist last week, i think the caucus just has to meet and they have to get this done. you can get it done -- we passed aca on christmas eve, in nine, and then again in january. but, the sooner the better on this stuff, because the elements are so popular, people will really like them. and really benefit from them. >> yeah, to your point, maybe reconciliation isn't the sexiest title given what's in it for the people of your state, for example. and the other 49. it keeps coming -- it keeps coming back to the filibuster, i know you've pushed the pieces around the board in your head, is there any way around it? but >> well, the filibuster
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applies now, what we're talking about is the -- boat act. and that is it makes existential threat to our democracy. and yes, the testable will get 50 democrats and no republicans, is what i think is going to happen. and, this is something i've discussed with joe manchin, door morning scene and i have come up with what is essentially a talking filibuster, instead of having to stop the filibuster with 60 votes, to sustainable a filibuster with 41. and 41 senators have to be on the floor, and they have to stay on the floor, they have to -- they can cycle in and out but at all times they have to 41, and they have to debate this. and the debate has to be jermaine. and i think that's a good debate to have about voter
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reform, and election law. and we win that debate. but they're not gonna last, they just won't last there. and that's the filibuster informant, manchin has said, in a recording that was made with no labels, you may have saw this a few weeks ago. it is open to this very modification. it's not an end to the filibuster, it's a modification. and what this would do is restore the filibuster to what it was. which was something that was rare, and it would be rare because you have to do this. and he wouldn't do it. you know, mitch mcconnell filibustered during obama more executive nominees that had been filibustered in the entire previous history of the nation. he broke the sentence. and this would help restore it.
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>> i want to play for you something senator, that donny toy shed on this network this morning. and he was speaking, as he was speaking, you could see the heads nodding in the audience. he spoke for an awful lot of democrats, will discuss on the other side. >> i live in this bubble, in this very kind of blue state. and i cannot tell you the unrest with the feeling of the democrats in control, the way the running things, the way biden has no hands on the wheel, and nobody on deck. that's the concern that democrats have. >> so al franken, i got 60 seconds left, the guy makes a point there, what's the solution? >> solution is getting this done. and getting a package where people see these, these terrific elements of this package and how it improves their lives. i'll give you an example, child care. in europe, european countries on average supplement childcare
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to the tune of $14,000 per child. and our country, $500 per child. we -- people want childcare so they can go to work. people want to work. and it is so expensive to have quality childcare. people want to know they can leave their kids with somebody who is in a safe environment, where they're being nurtured, where people know how to do child education. we need to do these things. that's what's the curator this is. is getting this done. and that's why, my quorum a colleagues have to get this done, and the sooner the better. >> i'll franken, thank you for having us in, as always greatly appreciated you spending some time with us on monday night. coming up for us, why some republicans are worried the only twice impeached retiree in the entire state of florida,
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nomination. >> i don't know. that president trump, is the first president in the republican side it leads, to lose the house, the senate, and the presidency in four years. >> elections are about winning. >> a rare bit of criticism
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there from a member of donald trump's party. on what is in store for republicans, our friend jeremy peters writes this in the new york times, and we quote, the gop's ambitions of ending unified democratic control in washington in 2022, are colliding with the constable force that has the ability to sweep tens of millions of votes. former president donald trump's increasingly vocal demands that members of his party remain in a permanent state of, obedience his false claims of a stolen election or risking his wrath. here with us to talk about, it two more friends juanita tolliver, veteran political strategist and tim miller, contributor over at the bulwark and former communications director for jeff bush. good evening friends and welcome to you both. juanita tolliver, the drinking game is we have to mention manchin's name as many times as physically possible during this and any segment no matter what the topic. is with that in mind, manchin met with bernie today, manchin
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met with jayapal today. cameras followed mentioned and he said the following to those cameras. >> how is your meeting with your one-on-one with senators? sanders >> a good. meaning >> how is your meeting with congressman? jayapal >> good. meeting >> what did you guys discuss? >> good. meaning [inaudible] >> we're talking. >> you're going to have a resolution by the end of the week? >> we are talking, we're gonna make some progress. >> there is your unity ticket juanita tolliver, and also we've learned tonight that sinema is going over to the white house tomorrow. she and mentioned spent so much time there i learned that they are getting their mail forwarded. juanita tolliver, what do you make of any of this news this evening. >> look, i'm not gonna read too far and say anything. i know that manchin loves oppress google.
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i know that penchant loves a photo op. so i hope that this conversation was fruitful. it did not sound like much have been besides him reiterating the points in which we know. senator sanders took the mind to mention -- and so i think like this is just a continuation of that sanction without as much progress as i would hold. congress to me is, oh we agree on. something and we're not getting that. i am glad that they are sitting in rooms together. it's odd to hear that senator sinema is going back to the white house instead of meeting other members of congress. that would've been a step forward from him considering that the biggest beef of everybody has with sinema right now, is that we don't know what she wants. and it sees shows as though she is going to continue -- >> and perhaps to read her pulling from back home in arizona. tim, i have something for you, this is the word of rick wilson as written for the medium.
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and we quote, if the democratic predicate of 2022 is a race about build back better and infrastructure, the republicans will nationalize this race as culture war and conspiracy and win on. it democrats too often want a focus grouped, tell them policy answer when the world is burning down around them. tim, do you agree, at least culturally? >> yes, as hard as it is to disagree, i think it certainly helps within the past that infrastructure, and the popular build back better plan, as we discussed last week. brian, he actually had a proactive message on build back better. i think that that would. help i think that rick's point to how the democrats need to be much more aggressive at going after the republicans and driving this wedge. and you show that reporting from jeremy peters at the top of this. i think that there is a lot of the technical term, wish
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casting. among democrats, the trump supporters are just not going to show up. and they are going to be gifted seats as though they were in georgia. maybe that will have been. but i wish is not a strategy. and i think that the democrats need to be much more aggressive about driving this wedge between donald trump's base, who is unhappy. with the republicans for their mine not going along with the big lie to the degree of their liking, whatever that. would-be it's completely about getting castro with donald trump in [inaudible] . and relatively in touch real quality and republicans still exists in exurban district. oh which has gotta be driven there to force the crazy's and the normals to be in conflict of one another. and the democrats don't seem to be doing that aggressively.
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we have a year. so maybe just an early warning flight. but i think that the -- >> so tim real quick you think that there's a subset population of republicans with earnest genuine worry about trump's effect on 2022? >> yes. for sure. a sub said. i think that if they feel like they needed. this is the problem this is where you have mitch mcconnell trashing donald trump after january six. and then all of a sudden backing off of that in the weeks that. follow right? the thought that there may have been a chance to get rid of this man. is that i just cost him. georgia he realized that they like trump more than. him and he's got to deal with them. but that doesn't mean he's not still. worried they're worried about it but they're looking right now in virginia, the quite young kid strategy of getting donald trump in the -- and seeing that glenn will get to the magnitude of the two tries together [laughs] . but we'll see if that works in virginia. the democrats should be real
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worry. but i think that's important to try and make sure that those two coalitions within the republican tent are as divided as possible. >> hang on i'm still riding, donald trump in the, i could finish this later. >> i stole that from my colleague. >> juanita tolliver, your reaction to capacity, the countdown clock on the attack has already got a couple of hours on it on the. way is anyone else going to be brave enough to stick their heads up in a sea of genuflect-ing? >> absolutely not, brian. what i appreciate about costa the statement is that he called trump what he is. a three time loser. i'd add, twice impeached. three time loser to. that look, in 2018 he alienates suburban voters, and the loss of the gop of the house. in 2020 he continued with the lies and lost the presidency and the gop of the senate. and that is the track record
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that he has. i wish that every republican who has been bending in the supreme, and would just recognize it for, themselves because at this point they have literally tended themselves to the point that they don't have an exit strategy. so while tim is talking about driving a wedge between the crises and the normals and recognizing that the need for tapping into other issues that are not the 2020 big lie, they are not going to do, that they don't have the backbones to do it. and they're not going to challenge trump in a way that he needs to be challenged. and what they risk losing, is the midterms, while we know 60% of republicans believe in this live, we also know a percentage of them are going to stay at home. whether or not trump tells them to, because they no longer have faith in elections. >> it is just monday, these guys are already on fire, to my friends juanita tolliver, tim miller, thank you for staying up late in coming on tonight's broadcast. thank you. both coming up for us one of our top medical experts to clear up the misinformation
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death due to covid complications fueled all too predictable, misinformation a flurry of it from anti-vaxxers. the 84-year-old statesman was fully vaccinated, but powell remember, was also battling several underlying health conditions putting him at high risk. cnbc points this out quote, health experts say it's important to note that no vaccine is 100 percent effective. in addition, powell was elderly, unknown risk for severe covid, and suffer from multiple myeloma, a cancel a cancer that studies show can make the vaccine less effective. we also know powell was receiving treatment for parkinson's over the last few years. so back with us tonight doctor
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celine gounder, -- and infectious diseases at the nyu school of medicine in bellevue hospital, in new york. part of a panel that advised a trend biden transition team, she also hosts a weekly podcast on the impact of this virus, called appropriately, epidemic. so doctor, we couldn't even more in colin powell today without the uprising of the anti-vaxxers, talk about the two comorbidities he had in addition to age. multiple myeloma and parkinson's and how they can affect the effectiveness of a miracle vaccine, in all other ways. >> brian, there was a study conducted earlier this summer, published in nature, which looked specifically at patients with people with multiple myeloma and how will they respond to the vaccines. and that study found that if you had multiple myeloma, then you are given the pfizer or moderna vaccine, you had less
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than a 50% chance of adequately responding to the vaccines. that's because your immune system is suppressed and simply just doesn't react to the vaccine. with respect to parkinson's disease, some of the drugs used to treat parkinson's can be immunosuppressive, i'm not sure what medications he was on, but in addition to, that when people have parkinson's disease they have a weaker muscle control. and that can include the muscles of the throat, the your swallowing muscles, so that can also lead to complications with respect to your ability to breathe. >> doctor, i read in the new york times tonight that the fda is very close to allow brand mixing in vaccines. so, for example, you got your first to moderna's, you can get a pfizer booster, vice versa. who is this good news for? doctor? >> so, in particular, people who got johnson & johnson. we've known for sometime now,
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for at least a few months, that this was going to be a two dose vaccine. a two dose regiment would be needed. it's not to say that johnson & johnson is inferior, after all we give two doses of the pfizer and moderna, and are now for certain groups given a third dose. but i think in particular for people who got the johnson & johnson vaccine, getting some guidance as to what's second dose should be given. it does appear that they may benefit, that group in particular may benefit from mixing and matching. so, if they got the johnson & johnson first, to get either pfizer or moderna second does seem to be the more advisable course here. >> speaking of the fda, the former director scott gottlieb tweeted this on sunday, uk reported its biggest one-day covid case increase in three months, just as this new delta variant, within unpronounceable named mutation, in the spike reaches 8% of uk sequin cases. we need urgent research to
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figure out if this delta plus, there is a name, is more transmissible, and has partial immune evasion. how concerned are you, how concerned should we be? >> brian, it's a little too early to say. whenever you do see a variant that's become more common, which is what happened with the delta variant over the course of the spring in the summer. we saw it become more, and more, and more, common. and that can indicate that it has, it's winning out the race of natural selection. it has some sort of competitive advantage, compared to the other variants. the other possibility though, is that it simply in a sense, this particular delta plus, could simply be hitching a ride on other reasons for increased transmission. which could be as simple as going back to school, back to the office, and not masking. >> our guest tonight, one of the best in the business, we're grateful for the time and answers to our questions, from
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doctor celine gounder. always a pleasure. thank you. another break for our coverage. coming up, are not the desperate search for americans kidnapped this last weekend at a haitian orphanage. this last weekend at a haitian orphanage.
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the search for a group of missionaries and their families and dependence, continues tonight in haiti. president biden's been briefed on this effort. local officials say 16 of the 17 people missing are americans. who haitian authorities are suspects are being held by one of the nation's most notorious gangs. these people don't fool around. our report tonight from nbc correspondent sam brock >> 48 hours after the start of an international crisis, and one day after an if fbi team touchdown in haiti. still no answers. about -- whether the 17 cadet missionaries will be rescued, or how. >> the fbi is part of a
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coordinated -- to safety. >> part of that effort, the state department team now also on the ground. the ohio-based christian aid ministry says among those abducted or 16 americans, five of whom are children. >> on the streets of -- in miami today. police -- for those living in violence. >> fine food, because if you get where they will kidnap you. >> immigrants rights protesters, line on pavements, demanding an anti-haitian deportations. after earthquakes, a presidential assassination, and kidnapping forced many to flee. >> do you worry that they will not survive another week, month, year, in haiti? >> every day you live in haiti, you are -- you will live in haiti, you are lucky. >> the wave of kidnappings appear to be skyrocketing. the un report identifies around 330 kidnappings in the first
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eight months in the year, more than 100 of all of last year. but research out of haiti points to much larger figures. with 600 plus cake napping through september, including a three fold increase in just three months. tests up a tweet with the florida immigrate shove petition, was born and raised in haiti. >> it is like living in a war zone, you don't know when you're gonna get shot at, you don't know when you're gonna get kidnapped. >> doctor richard for shed runs this hospital, near port-au-prince, where it's believed armed gangs control half the city. he has to negotiate with them to get an oxygen tank for kosher oh covid patients. >> it stays raising because you're gonna have 40 dead people in your hospital, in a matter of hours, if you don't succeed. and it's very complex when you have to go through again to get the oxygen. >> as far as the gang that carried out this kidnapping, officials in haiti say it's the same one that kidnapped five priests and two nuns of number of months ago. known for their tactics of hijacking cars and snatching people off of buses, taking brutality in an already lawless country, to new levels.
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miami, sam brock, nbc news. >> coming up for us tonight, some findings about -- advice for parents from someone who is very much not a doctor. who is very much not a doctor.
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last thing before we go tonight, the first of its kind segment we'd like to call, parenting tips from madison car thorn. he is not a pediatrician, or a scientist. but he is 26.
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and i member of congress for more carolina. >> our culture today is trying to completely de-masking late all of the young men in our culture. you can look at the testosterone level in young men today and they are lower than throughout all of history. there is a lot of his history reasons but we can get a lot into it later. but they are trying to damascus that young men in this country, because they are not going to stand. up and i could tell you, all of these monsters, the people who looked the most vicious in our movement. if you are raising a young man, please raise him to be a monster. [noise] [applause], >> temps from madison corridor, you know it's constituent in the 11th congressional districts are proud. and if you're a parent, here's hoping that your little monsters are safely tucked in for the night. that is our broadcast on this monday evening with our thanks for being with heard tonight, on behalf of all our colleagues of the nbc news, goodnight.
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>> >> tonight on all in, a disgraced ex president makes his move to stop the january six committee. what we know about donald trump's last ditch appeal of the supreme court. then, colin powell said comes to coronavirus complications at age 84. and the vaccine misinformation machine kicks into gear. >> here we have a very high example. that is going to require more truth, more truth from our government. >> plus, how groups catalyze obama era teen pretty protests. or doing the same with scoreboard protests. and why so called natural immunity still is an excuse to not get vaccinated. >> why would i get vaccinated? >> when you know i have better immunity than someone who has

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