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immigrant left a dirt farm in jamaica and set out for america. three years later, a ship pulled into new york harbor, and a young jamaican woman gazed up at the statue of liberty for the first time. they became my parents, and they inspired me to finish college and join the army. this began a journey of service that would take me from basic training to combat in vietnam, up the ranks to serve as chairman of the joints chiefs of staff and secretary of state. >> colin powell, who lived a life like no other gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. and good evening once again. day 272 of the biden administration, and this evening flags at the white house, flags throughout washington and at u.s. facilities across the country and around the world are at half-staff in honor of colin powell who died this morning. general powell was 84 years old.
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he died of covid complications while battling both parkinson's and multiple myeloma. we will have much more on his life and legacy just ahead. tonight is also the eve of the first major legal showdown for the special house committee investigating the january 6 riot and insurrection. in a little over 20 hours, the committee is scheduled to formally vote on whether to adopt a report recommending criminal contempt charges against trump adviser steve bannon, who has failed to comply with their subpoena. earlier tonight they released that report on bannon's refusal. it outlines what the committee wants from him, and it recommends he be referred to the justice department for prosecution. bannon argues he doesn't have to comply because of donald trump's attempt to assert executive privilege to try to keep his activities and those of his aides and allies from congressional scrutiny. tonight members of the committee flatly rejected that argument.
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>> his claim of executive privilege is just a really a stretch. first, he was not even an employee of the white house or the federal government. and so would not ordinarily be covered by any executive privilege claim. >> and let's say this in plain english. there must be something trump doesn't want the committee to see pertaining to 1/6, because just today his lawyers filed suit in a d.c. district court against both the committee and the national archives in an attempt to keep the documents from his white house term private. trump was also occupied with a separate legal matter today. he spent 4 1/2 hours testifying under oath behind closed doors at trump tower in manhattan. today's deposition was for a lawsuit brought by protesters who say his security team roughed them up back in september 2015. as for the nation's current president, he is stepping up efforts to get a democratic
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agreement on his bills to rebuild infrastructure and expand that social safety net. >> tomorrow he will host two different meetings with house members here at the white house, one with moderates and one with progressive members. we're encouraged by the accelerated pace of talks and are eager to get this done. >> the speaker has told her house members she wants to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill by october 31. that would be 13 days from now. meanwhile, as the administration continues efforts to end the pandemic, over 45 million covid cases have now been confirmed in the u.s. over 730,000 americans have now been lost to the virus. with that, we want to return to the news that made so many people pause and reflect today, the death of colin powell. a son of immigrants who became the most admired man in america for a time, one of the most important unelected political figures of the past half century easily.
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a reluctant warrior, as he liked to say, and a public servant to the core. so before we bring in our first guest tonight, nbc senior washington correspondent andrea mitchell has our look at his four decades of service to this country. >> reporter: he was the first black chairman of the joint chiefs, leading the charge in desert storm. >> our strategy to go after this army is very, very simple. first, we're going cut it off, and then we're going kill it. >> reporter: colin powell, who started as an infantry man, doing two tours in vietnam instantly became a household name. later as the first black secretary of state. succumbing to covid, powell was vaccinated but suffered from multiple myeloma. many urged him to run for president. any regrets you didn't run? you write in the book how wrenching the decision was. >> i had to think about it, because it was expected of me, and i'm a soldier.
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but after a few weeks of it, i realized this is just not me. this is not what i can do. >> reporter: his so-called pottery barn rule of war. if you break it, you own it. led him to oppose the iraq war. well were with him in afghanistan in 2002. what is it going to take to put the country back together? >> it's going to take the effort and the entire international community. >> reporter: a low point a year later making the case to the u.n. that saddam hussein weapons of mass destruction. no weapons were ever found, and episode he said he deeply regretted. in 2008, powell broke from the republican party, endorsing barack obama and strongly criticizing donald trump's challenge to obama's birthright. >> the correct answer he is not a muslim. he is a christian. he has always been a christian. but the really right answer is what if he is? is there something wrong with being a muslim in this country? the answer is no. that's not america. >> reporter: tributes tonight from around the world, including
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president biden. >> he is not only a dear friend and a patriot, one of our great military leaders and a man of overwhelming decency. >> reporter: but a man who usually stayed out of the spotlight, one exception. >> i walked up to him and said you're general colin powell. and he said yes i am. >> i knew he was one of the guys. >> reporter: when palace carr got a flat, anthony maggert, an amputee pulling over to help him fix it. powell later writing on facebook, thanks, anthony, you touched my soul and reminded me of what this country is all about. let's stop screaming at each other. let's just take care of each other. >> andrea mitchell will that remembrance tonight. a family spokesman says alma powell, the general's wife of nearly 60 years is sadly also covid positive, but thankfully is recovering well at home. with all of that, let's bring in our starting line on this monday night. peter baker, veteran journalist and author, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times." jackie alemany, political
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reporter for "the washington post" and author of the paper's morning newsletter, the early 202. and retired four star u.s. general, barry mccaffrey who once served a colin powell's assistant. former battlefield commander in the gulf, former cabinet member, former member of the national security council. good evening and welcome to you all. general, i'd like to begin with you. as young men, you both went off to vietnam. you both returned seriously wounded combat veterans. you both retired with four stars on your shoulder, no easy feat. you both spent over 30 years in the u.s. military, and then transitioned still in public service to civilian jobs. so the question is how will you remember your friend colin powell? >> well, in a lot of ways. my wife and i are both extremely sad about his passing, and our
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thoughts go out to alma and her entire family. a remarkable man. tremendous judgment, very hard worker, a sense of humility, even though he was at the center of global interactions, kings and presidents and prime ministers. but if you watched him walk into a white house reception with 300 people there, he would seek out a young soldier in uniform, a law enforcement officer, a single mom. he always tried to connect with the people that make this society work. and finally, i think in my judgment, watching him at close range, he was an extremely sophisticated man with sort of an unspoken plain american manner to him. but he really understood american politics and international community. we absolutely loved him. particularly the people in uniform that served with him.
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>> peter baker, it should be noted he loved cars and was willing to talk about cars for hours at a time and was easily the best volvo restorer in all of northern virginia. certainly the most passionate. on the political front, he endorsed barack obama. not just a drive-by, it was thorough. it was sincere. he meant it. and he cut any remaining ties with the republican party after 1/6. talk for a moment, peter, about the giant of public life that's just left us. >> well, brian, that's exactly right. the word "giant" is the one to use about general powell, because he was a giant in washington and a real powerful way, not just his military service, not just his service to his country, but his mastery of a capital where it was easy to get lost, it was easy to get overpowered or to fall into
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ideological tracks. that wasn't him. he was a republican, but then he endorsed, as you point out, a couple of democratic presidents now, he worked for republican presidency. he worked for democratic presidents. it was not for him about partisanship. it was about his version and his vision of integrity and service to the country. and i think that he crossed lines that are so hard to cross in today's washington. his passing is not just the passing of an individual but in some ways the passing of an era. they talked about him running in 1996. either party would have been happy to have nominated him. it was like an eisenhower figure. he was a republican, but democrats would have certainly been happy to have him on their side because he did inspire people beyond party lines. he inspired them with his example. he inspired them with his wisdom. he inspired them with his personality, his magnetism. he inspired them i think with his maturity, which is a word we
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don't see a lot in washington these days. i think when we lost colin powell today, we lost, you know, one of the exemplars of an era that is behind us in some ways. >> leaves behind a doctrine that bears his name militarily. jackie, we move to you and the comparatively mundane yet very urgent business of the 1/6 committee, and kind of a dual question. what is the business transpiring tomorrow? and what exactly is donald trump arguing in this lawsuit? could that affect anything the committee is going to do? >> yeah, brian, what a different republican party that colin powell was a part of as opposed to what we are seeing right now from the former president and his attorneys and for arguing today that the records request from the house select committee investigating january 6 are overly broad and have no legitimate purpose. we're also seeing steve bannon
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most likely to be held in criminal contempt by the house select committee tomorrow. that vote occurs at 7:30 p.m. and is likely to proceed on to the house floor as soon as possible, essentially by the end of the week that will then get referred to the justice department. we heard from the justice department last week that they were stressing their independence and that they were not going to be influenced in any way by biden, president biden's encouraging statements himself that have been pressing for his agencies and congressional investigators to try to enforce these to collect as much information as possible to create the most comprehensive historic record as possible of the events that occurred on january 6 in that insurrection. >> general, back to the topic of your friend and fellow four-star. colin powell died it seems to me unsure that the american story
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was going to have the happy ending he worked and wished and dromed for. having both of you fought and been wounded in the course of defending democracy, democracy at the time of his death is a little blurry, and something of a question mark. talk about the american story arc that his life and your life have both encompassed. >> well, certainly general powell, you know, his foreign immigrant jamaican work parents, the education in new york city among a city full of minorities struggling to achieve something is incredible record in the armed force. normally there is a couple hundred of us in a year group after 20 years. we're all sort of equally good. somebody is going to run the army or the joint staff. powell is better than anyone in his year group plus or minus a
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couple of years. so he was an unusual public figure. very courteous in public and private. very demanding, tremendous amount of personal homework. i think i talked to him periodically and visited him in his office in northern virginia last several years. he was shocked by what was going on in the u.s. government. we've had an extra legal, extra constitutional thuggish environment, not just president trump, but also in the behavior of the congress and 6 january. so i think it did shake his confidence what we were up to. but he was an enduring optimist. i think he knows we'll work our way through this eventually. >> peter baker, again, as we switch topics back and forth to this trump lawsuit. it seems to me it brings with it the first direct legal confrontation, unless i'm missing something, with the biden white house. what does that do to the
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mathematics here? >> yeah, typically, when we have an executive privilege claim, it's by a sitting president, of course. the purpose of executive privilege is to protect the confidentiality and communications for a commander in chief in governing the country. what president trump is arguing here, at least with regard to steve bannon is a novel claim, the idea that he could speak with somebody who didn't even work for the government, who wasn't advising him on governing the country, who was in fact talking to him about his political efforts to overturn the election. that's not what executive privilege has traditionally been used to guard, and it's never, as far as i can tell any way been successfully agreed by any court that somebody outside of government would constitute it as covered by executive ability. basically what you're saying is if you agreed with that is any conversation any president had with any person on the planet would therefore somehow be shielded under executive
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privilege, because there would be no limits to that. it's hard to see that, but it's possible because we've never tested -- we're going to test it now. steve bannon was not an employee, as zoe lofgren said in your earlier clip. he was not advising the president of the united states on governing the country. they were talking about politics. they were talking about power, and they were talking about how to keep power, not how to wield it in service of the country. that's a novel legal claim. >> jackie, sadly, it falls on you to give the democrats who are watching the answer they may not want to hear to the question how long could the bannon matter conceivably draw out. >> well, it's potentially going to happen more expeditiously than what we've seen under the trump administration. that's why we see the select committee moving to hold bannon in criminal contempt versus civil contempt.
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the feeling amongst democrats was if you held people in criminal contempt, it's just going get referred to bill barr's justice department, which inevitably would most likely take no action to actually hold these people accountable to comply with any sort of subpoena. that being said, the timeline here is really unclear. the justice department has not indicated one way or the other what this process is going to look like. steve bannon could face potentially a year in prison or a $100,000 fine if they do decide to hold him in criminal contempt. but democrats, i have to remind you, are under some time constraints. we've heard the legal experts time and time again throughout our reporting over these past few months say if you want to be successful in trying to enforce these subpoenas and these records requests, they do most likely need to do this while democrats maintain the majority. so this needs to get done before
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next november potentially as democrats are worried about getting wiped out in the 2022 midterms. so, again, the timeline unclear. but i think in democrats' minds, why they're moving to take such aggressive action here, because they want to get this done as quickly as possible. and they think criminal contempt is the way to do that. >> on this unusual night during these unusual times, we are so thankful for our three friends of this broadcast, peter baker, jackie alemany, and general barry mccaffrey. i appreciate you starting us off. coming up for us, president biden's running up against the clock and members of his own party who must know if his agenda fails, his presidency could be doomed to failure as well. we'll talk live with former senator al franken. and later, as one writer puts it, the gop is being asked to accept a permanent state of obedience to the loser of the last presidential election. why some republicans may be
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the question facing the senate is a binary question, whether they will save democracy or not. i'm certainly not optimistic about the vote on wednesday. i think the cloture vote is likely to fail. >> democratic congressman joe neguse from colorado. a critical week for voting rights legislation amid everything else on capitol hill. schumer has set up a test vote for wednesday. it's expected to have the support of all 50 democrats. it will be one of those rare votes. but it's still lacking the ten republicans needed, no doubt re-igniting the filibuster debate. so back with us tonight, former
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minnesota democratic senator al franken, these days has the good fortune to host a podcast bearing his name. senator, do you agree with this contention that a subset of it is if the democrats screw this up, if joe biden gets robbed of his agenda, that's an existential threat to the joe biden presidency? >> it is. i still believe it will happen because it kind of has to. and i wish they would get on with it. the sooner it happens, the better. people really like the elements of this thing. they don't talk enough about the elements. you keep calling it the reconciliation package, or build back better. but people love the elements of it. child care, medicare negotiating pharmaceuticals, k through 12 being funded more equally for
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low income communities, pre-k, early childhood, i mean all of this stuff is stuff people want. and the sooner we get it, the more people will be able to see it take effect and the better off we will be. so i don't know why they went on recess last week. i think the caucus just has to meet, and they have to get this done. i mean, you can get it. we passed aca on christmas eve in '09 and then again in january. but the sooner the better on this stuff. because the elements of this are so popular, and people will really like them and really benefit from them. >> yeah, to your point, maybe reconciliation isn't the sexiest title given what's in it for the people of your state, for example, and the other 49. it keeps coming -- the conversation keeps coming back to the filibuster. i know you have pushed the
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pieces around the board in your head. is there any way around it. >> well, the filibuster applies now, what we're talking about is the freedom to vote act. >> yeah. >> and that is an existential threat to our democracy. and, yes, the test vote will get 50 democrats and no republicans is what i think is going to happen. and this is something i've discussed with joe manchin. ornstein and i have come up with -- it's essentially in talking filibuster instead of having to stop a filibuster with 60 votes to sustain a filibuster you need 41. and 41 senators have to be on the floor and they have to stay on the floor. they have 50. they can cycle in and out. but at all times they have to have 41, and they have to debate
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this. and the debate has to be germane. i think that's a good debate to have about voter -- voting reform and election law. and we win that debate. but they're not going to last. they just won't last there. and that's -- that's the filibuster form that manchin has said in a recording, was made with no labels. you may have saw this, seen this a few weeks ago is open to this very modification. it's not a modification. and what this would do is restore the fill buster to what it was, which was something that was rare, and it would be rare because you have to do this. and they wouldn't do it, you know. mitch mcconnell filibustered during obama more executive nominees that had been filibustered in the entire
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previous history of the nation. he broke the senate. and this would help restore it. >> i want to play for you something, senator, that donny deutsch said on this network this morning, and he was speaking -- as he was speaking, you could see the heads nodding in the audience. he spoke for an awful lot of democrats. we'll discuss on the other side. >> i live in this bubble in this very kind of blue state, and i cannot tell you the unrest with the feeling of the democrats in control, the way they're running things, the way biden not feeling his hands on the wheel, and nobody on deck. that's the concern the democrats have. >> so al franken, i've got 60 seconds left. the guy makes a point there. what's the solution? >> the solution is getting this done and getting a package where people see these terrific elements of this package and how it improves their lives. i'll give you an example.
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child care. in europe, european countries on average supplement child care to the tune of $14,000 per child. in our country, $500 per child. people want child care so they can go to work. people want to work. and it's so expensive now to have quality child care. people want to know they can leave their kid with somebody who is in a safe environment, where they're being nurtured, where people know how to do early childhood education. this is -- we need to do these things. that's what the cure to this is getting this done. and that's why my former colleagues have to get this done and the sooner the better. >> al franken, thank you for having us in. as always, greatly appreciate you spending some time with us on this monday night.
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senate, and the presidency in four years. elections are about winning. >> a rare bit of criticism there from a member of donald trump's party on what's in store for republicans. our friend jeremy peters writes this in the "new york times," and we quote, the gop's ambitions of ending unified democratic control in washington in 2022 are colliding with a considerable force that has the ability to sway tens of millions of votes. former president donald trump's increasingly vocal demands that members of his party remain in a permanent state of obedience, endorsing his false claims of a stolen election or risking his wrath. here with us to talk about it, two more friends, juanita tolliver, and the communications director for jeb bush. good evening, friends. welcome to you both. juanita, the drinking game is we
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have to mention manchin's name as many times as physically possible during this and any segment, no matter what the topic is. with that in mind, manchin met with bernie today. manchin met with jayapal today. cameras followed manchin, and he said the following to those cameras. >> how was your meeting with your one-on-one with senator sanders? >> it was good meeting. >> how was your meeting with congresswoman jayapal. >> it was good meeting. >> what did you discuss? >> you going to get together? >> get a picture. you want to get a picture? get a picture of us. we're talking. >> we're talking. >> you're going to have a resolution by the end of the week? >> we're talking. we'll make some progress. >> there is your unity ticket, juanita. and also, we learned tonight sinema is going over to the white house tomorrow. she and manchin spend so much time there, i learned they're getting their mail forwarded.
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juanita, what do you make of any of this news this evening? >> look, i'm not going read too far into anything, brian. i know that manchin loves a press gaggle. i know that manchin loves a photo op. i hope that those conversations were fruitful. it didn't sound like much happened besides them reiterating their points, which we know senator sanders took to fight to manchin at home in west virginia by placing an op-ed there last week. so i feel like this is just a continuation of that tension without as much progress as i would hope because progress to me is saying oh, we agree on something. and we're not getting that from this exchange. i am glad that they're sitting in rooms together. it's odd that senator sinema is going back to the white house instead of meeting other members of congress. that would have been a step forward for her, considering that the biggest beef that every member of the house has with sinema right now, we don't know what she wants. it sounds like she is going to pursue a deal with president biden instead of her colleagues in the house.
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>> and perhaps read her polling from back home in arizona. hey, tim, i have something for you this. is the word of rick wilson as written for the medium. and we quote, if the democratic predicate of 2022 is a race of build back better and infrastructure, the republicans will nationalize this race as culture war and conspiracy and win on it. democrats too often want a focus-grouped pablum policy answer when the world is burning down around them. tim, do you agree at least culturally? >> yeah, i mean, it's hard to disagree. i think it would certainly help for them to pass infrastructure and popular build back better thing, as we discussed last week. actually have a proactive message on build back better. i think that would help. i think rick's point about how the democrats need to be much more aggressive at going after
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the republicans and driving this wedge. you showed that reporting from jeremy peters at the top of this. i think there is a lot of the technical term here is wishcasting among democrats that the trump supporters just aren't going to show up in the midterms, and they're going to be gifted seats like they were in georgia. maybe that will happen. but a wish is not a strategy. and i think the democrats need to be much, much more aggressive about driving this wedge between donald trump's base, who is unhappy with the republicans for to their mind i guess not going along with the big lie to the degree of their liking, whatever that would means. that's completely getting prostrate before donald trump at mar-a-lago. whatever it is that they want, and the relatively, you know, in touch with reality republicans that still exist in some of these suburban and exurban districts. a wedge has got to be driven there to force, you know, the crazies and the normals to be in
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conflict with one another. the democrats don't seem to be doing that aggressively. we got a year. we got a year. so maybe it's just an early warning flag from rick. but i think the overarching point is right. >> so tim, real quick, you think there is a subset population of republicans with earnest, genuine worry about trump's effect on 2022? >> yeah, oh, for sure a subset. and but i think they feel like they need him, right. so this is the problem. this is why you had mitch mcconnell trashing donald trump after january 6 and then all of the sudden backing off of that. in the weeks that followed, right? he thought that he might have had a chance to get rid of this menace that had just cost him georgia. he realized the voters like trump more than him and he has to deal with him. that doesn't mean he is not still worried. they're worried about it, but they're looking in virginia at the glenn youngkin of being donald trump in the sheets and mitt romney the streets and see
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if they can mate the two tribes together. we'll see if that works in virginia. if it does, the democrats should be real worried. but i think it's important to try to make sure that those two coalitions within the republican tent are as divided as possible. >> hang on, i'm still writing, donald trump in the sheet -- well, i can finish it later. [ laughter ] >> i stole that from my colleague. sarah gets that. >> juanita, your reaction to cassidy, the countdown clock on the attack on cassidy from trump has already got a couple of hours on it, by the way. is anyone else going to be brave enough to stick their heads up in a sea of genuflecting? >> absolutely not, brian. what i appreciate about cassidy's statement is he called trump what he is, a three-time loser. i'll add twice impeached three-time loser to that. in 2018 he alienated suburban
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voters and they lost the gop in the house. in 2020 he continued with lies and lost the presidency and the gop in the senate. and that is the track record he has. i wish that every republican who is bending the knee to trump and staying silent right now would call that out or even recognize it for themselves. because at this point they literally tether themselves to the point of they don't have an exit strategy. so while tim is talking about driving a wedge between the crazies and the normals and recognizing the need for tapping into other issues that are not the 2020 big lie, they're not going to do that. they don't have the backbone to do it. and they're not going to challenge trump in a way that he deserves to be challenged. and what they risk losing is the midterms, because while we know 60% of republicans believe in this lie, we also know a percentage of them are going to stay at home. whether or not trump tells them to, because they no longer have faith in elections. >> it's just monday. these guys are already on fire. two of my friends, juanita and tim, my thanks for staying up
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late and coming on tonight's broadcast. thank you both. coming up for us, one of our top medical experts to clear up the misinformation today on breakthrough infections that followed news of the death of general powell.
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the news of colin powell's death due to covid complications fueled all too predictable misinformation, a flurry of it from anti-vaxxers. the 84-year-old statesman was fully vaccinated, but powell, remember, was also battling several underlying health conditions, putting him at high risk. cnbc points this out, quote, health experts say it's important to note that no vaccine is 100% effective. in addition, powell was elderly, a known risk for severe covid and suffered from multiple myeloma, a blood cancer that studies show can make the shots less effective.
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we also know powell was receiving treatment for parkinson's over the past few years. so back with us tonight, dr. celine gounder, clinical assistant professor of medicine and infectious diseases at the nyu school of medicine at bellevue hospital in new york, part of a panel that advised the biden transition team. she also hosts a weekly podcast on the impact of this virus called appropriately, "epidemic." so doctor, we couldn't even mourn colin powell today without the uprising of the anti-vaxxers. talk about the two comorbidities he had in addition to age, multiple myeloma, and parkinson's, and how they can affect the effectiveness of a miracle vaccine in all other ways. >> brian, there was a study conducted earlier this summer published in "nature" which looks specifically at patients who have multiple myeloma and
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how well they respond to the vaccines. and that study found if you had multiple myeloma, and you were given the pfizer or moderna vaccines, you had less than a 50% chance of adequately responding to the vaccines. it's because your immune system is suppressed and simply doesn't see, doesn't react to the vaccine. with respect to parkinson's disease, some of the drugs used to treat parkinson's disease can be immunosuppressive. i'm not sure what medications he was on, but in addition to that, when people have parkinson's disease, they have weaker muscle control, and that can include the muscles of the throat, your swallowing muscles. so that can also lead to complications with with respect to your ability to breathe. >> doctor, i read in "the new york times" tonight that the fda is very close to allow brand mixing in vaccines. so, for example, you got your first two.
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moderna's, you can get a pfizer booster. who is this good news for, doctor? >> so in particular, people who got johnson & johnson. we've known for some time now for at least a few months that this was going to be a two-dose vaccine, a two-dose regimen would be needed. it's not to say that johnson & johnson vaccine is inferior. after all, we give two doses of the pfizer and moderna and are now for certain groups giving a third dose. but i think in particular for people who got the johnson & johnson vaccine, getting some guidance as to what second dose should be given, it does appear that they may benefit, that group in particular may benefit from mixing and matching. so if they got the johnson & johnson first, to get either pfizer or moderna second does seem to be the more advisable course here. >> speaking of the fda, former director scott gottlieb tweeted this on sunday. uk reported its biggest one-day case increase in three months, just as this new delta variant
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with an unpronounceable named mutation in the spike reaches 8% of uk sequenced cases. we need urgent research he says to figure out if this delta plus, there is a name, is more transmissible and has partial immune evasion. how concerned are you? how concerned should we be? >> brian, it's a little too early to say. whenever you do see a variant that's becoming more common, which is what happened with the delta variant over the course of the spring and into the summer, as we saw it become more and more and more common, and that can indicate that it has -- it's winning out the race in natural selection. it has some sort of competitive advantage compared to the other variants. the other possibility, though, is that it simply in a sense, this particular delta plus could simply be hitching a ride on other reasons for increased transmission, which could be just as simple as going back to
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school, going back to the office and not masking. >> our guest tonight one of the best in the business. we're grateful for the time and answers to our questions from dr. celine gounder. always a pleasure. thank you. another break for our coverage. coming up, the desperate search for americans kidnapped this past weekend at a haitian orphanage. anage. you could wait... all night... for an email response from steve, who will sign back in at 9 am tomorrow morning. orrrr... you could find the answer right now in slack. and give steve a break. slack. where the future works. mm. [ clicks tongue ] i don't know. i think they look good, man.
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the search for a group of missionaries and their families and dependents continues tonight in haiti. president biden has been briefed on this effort. local officials say 16 of the 17 people missing are americans who haitian authorities suspect are being held by one of the nation's most notorious gangs. these people don't fool around. our report tonight from nbc news correspondent sam brock. >> reporter: 48 hours after the start of an international crisis, in one day after an fbi
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team touched down in haiti, still no answers about whether 17 kidnapped missionaries will be rescued or how. >> the fbi is part of a coordinated u.s. government effort to get the u.s. citizens involved to safety. >> reporter: part of that effort a state department team now also on the ground. the ohio-based christian aid ministries says among those abduct ready 16 americans, five of whom are children. on the streets of port-au-prince and miami today, pleas for help for those living in violence. >> you can get out to find food because if you get out, they're going kidnap you. >> reporter: immigrants rights protesters lying on pavement, demanding an end to haitian deportations after earthquakes, a presidential assassination, and kidnappings forced many to flee. your nephews and nieces, do you worry they will not survive another week, month, year in haiti? >> every day you live in haiti, you're lucky. every single day you live in haiti, you see that you are
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lucky. >> reporter: the wave of kidnappings appears to be skyrocketing. a u.n. report identifies around 330 kidnappings in the first eight months of the year, 100 more than all of last year. but research out of haiti points to much larger figures with 600 plus kidnappings through september, including a threefold increase in just three months. tess that petty with the immigrant coalition was born and raised in haiti. >> it's like living in a war zone. you don't know when you're got to get shot at, kidnapped. >> reporter: this doctor runs this hospital near port-au-prince where it's believed armed gangs control half the city. he has to negotiate with them to get oxygen tanks for covid patients. >> it's hair-raising because you can have 40 dead people in your hospital in a matter of hours if you don't succeed. and it's very complex when you have to go through a gang to get the oxygen. >> reporter: as far as the gang that carried out this kidnapping, officials in haiti say it's the same one that kidnapped five priests and two nuns a number of months ago,
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monday evening with our thanks for being here with us on behalf of all our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. president biden tonight has ordered flags across the country flown at half staff. to honor the legacy of general colin powell who has died today at the age of 84. because of general powell's remarkable record of service to the united states, his status is just a singular figure in modern public service. american flags will fly at half staff at it colin powell, not for a day, but for every day this week. until sunset on friday night. general paul's legacy is

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