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today. i'm maria theresa kumar. right now it's time for the medy hassan show. how are you doing? >> i'm good, good to see you s. have a great rest of your sunday. >> you, too. and i can't wait to catch your show. and i can't wait to catch your show we'll get to the what and why with mary trump's attorney, the renowned first amendment lawyer and finally, a south asian super hero. i'll speak to a claimed comedian about tore and muscle bound star of marvel. e bound star of marvel.
good evening. we're a little over a year from crucial midterm elections in this country. if republicans win back the house, they could block not just joe biden's entire agenda but the certification of the next presidential election in 2024. for that, they need to flip five, just five democratic seats next november. now, what if i told you that republicans could win back the house next year without winning a single extra vote? how you ask? because republicans now are taking advantage of the once every decade post census redistricting process to redraw congressional maps to give them a political advantage. it goes back to signer of the decoloration, of independence l. bridge jerry in 1812 signed a bill that created a misshaped district from boston to the new
hampshire border before going to the coast, it looked like a salamander and gary bander. get it? the gerrymandering on the republican side now and no recent years has been intense and brazen. just listen to this republican statement legislator from north carolina. >> we want to make clear that we to the extent are going to use political data in drawing this map to gain partisan advantage on the map. >> then there is the racism. take texas. you heard the phase democracy dies in darkness, right? as ari burr man points out that happened in the overnight hours of last wednesday morning around 3:30 a.m. republicans voted to redraw the state house map in a way that dilutes the power of power. white people make up 40% of the population but control 59% of
the proposed districts. hispanics 39% of the population but control 20% of the new districts, less than half of the population and black people, 12 percent of the texas population 2.7% of the districts, a quarter of their population because the gop controls the state house there they get to redraw the congressional districts in texas, too. those are the state house ones. they can do the congressional ones in the dallas suburbs. look how many hispanics are in the 33rd congressional district. that was drawn a decade ago under the voting rights act to protect people of color but now that the supreme court has gutted the voting rights act back until the shelby decision, legislators have to no longer worry about proving to the justice department they aren't trying to dilute the power. they are extending a ridiculous finger of the texas sixth district rural and mostly white
up into dallas county and now hispanic voters will be a minority once more. it outrageous. white voters have been a minority for two decades and republicans managed to insulate themselves against the diversity starting at the state level where the maps are drawn. the state senate in texas 20 of 31 districts would have white majorities and protrump districts increases from 16 to 19 and not just in texas but georgia where republicans are looking to target democrat lucy in missouri veteran emanuel himself says his district could be drawn into extinction. republicans, though, point to illinois which on friday released district maps that might give the democrats control over two gop congressional held seats. yes, both sides gary bander. wouldn't you if that was the only hand you were dealt but a, it's a fact democrats don't do
it on the level republicans do and have done. even in illinois they could have gone much bigger in the jerry -- gerrymandering some might argue and b, they're behind the freedom to vote act that bans parties on gerrymandering while republicans seem opposed. let's see what happens wednesday when it's up for a crucial vote in the senate. there are three big threats to american democracy. gerrymandering and voter suppression. in my view, you don't need to suppress the votes of opponents if there is not enough to make a difference thanks to gerrymandering. you don't need to subvert the result of an election if the result is already a forgone conclusion thanks to gerrymandering. just listen to the late gop strategists who is credited with being the gop's map making genius over the past decade. here he is talking about redistricting and he really
means jerry bandering. >> redistricting is like an election in reverse. it's a great event. usually the voters get to pick the politicians. redistricting, the politicians get to pick the voters. >> that is not how democracy is supposed to work. it not how other democracies in the western world operate. if we lose the ability to choose our own politicians, our own representatives and leaders, we no longer have a right to call ourselves a functioning democracy. we simply don't. for more, let's turn to kelly, president of the national democratic redistricting committee. the group founded by former attorney general eric holder. thanks for joining me tonight. what the republicans are doing in terms of jergerrymandering is clearly wrong but the map is being proposed in illinois for example are among the most
gerrymandering in the country, too. >> well, thanks for having me and covering this with such a comprehensive intro there. you're right to cover what is happening now with redistricting in the context for this larger fight for the democracy. what you have right now is one party, the republican party willing to go to extreme lengths to subvert our democracy, to redistrict themselves into power for the decade, which is their words of their goal for this redistricting process in order to protect their power artificially. what you see from democrats both in the states where we're redistricting and with the support of the freedom to vote act is a real belief in our democracy and how the system should work. we want the elections to be fair. we do want voters to be the ones who determine the outcome of these elections contrary to what thomas said in the intro. we want the district to be drawn fairly in a way that reflects the will of the voters. what you're seeing in illinois
is the first draft of a map that came out on friday. you'll see many drafts over the series of weeks that will go on in illinois and some people will say there is not enough seats in illinois for democrats. some people said there is too many. that is par for the course in the process itself but i think the really important thing to remember when we're thinking about redistricting is why we redistrict and we redistrict to reset the maps so they reflect what is happening in the country and how the demographic and geographic realities have changed. so you use the census as a road map and that is how you know that the maps are fair and reflecting what the voters want in that state. >> so as i mentioned, anti trump republican adam kinzinger, listen to what he had to say. >> the voting rights act in the mid '60s came out with a provision called preclearance
that required certain states to get clearance for any election system they did. that went on into perp pewty. in 2013 the u.s. supreme court said history changes. we can't keep pretending like it 1965 but don't we need preclearance still? when we look how republicans are redrawing the maps in texas, it's starting to look like 1965, is it not? >> we absolutely do need preclearance, which is why what you see from democrats in congress is a very intense and intentional effort to restore the preclearance provision in the voting rights act and to not only pass the freedom to vote act but you saw the house pass the john lewis voting rights advancement act. i will tell you congressman kinzinger voted against that bill. they have the opportunity to restore the act and stand by the protections in our constitution particularly to protect the vote of communities of color and
actively choosing not to do that. as you noted, they have an opportunity this week to vote for the freedom to vote act to protect these provisions in our democracy to ban partisan gerrymandering and make sure our democracy works the way it should, which is to have the power in the hands of the people. that's what we want and are fighting for. >> the kinzingers talk a good game about protecting democracy, which is a problem and you have the white house, which you have joe biden saying jim crow on steroids and voter suppression is bad and yet, the white house continues to be under fire for down playing the threat to small american democracy when it comes to legislation, when it comes to getting stuff done. earlier this summer, voting advocates said reportedly that democrats would simply have to out organize the other side but organizing turnout doesn't work against a gary band --
gerrymandering. if there is not enough of them, why don't enough top democrats including democrats in the white house seem to get that? >> well, i think they do get it. i think the white house notes firsthand what we know and what our chairman attorney general eric holder knows you can't out organize gerrymandering and districts designed to work against the voter by definition, the gerrymandering we're seeing by the republican in the state is intended to predetermine the outcome of the election. so that regardless of what the voters want, the elections are predetermined by the lines and you see republicans hold on to power artificially regardless of what the voters want. i think the white house understands that we certainly understand that democrats in congress understand that and democrats in the state understand that, as well, which is why you see a strong intent by democrats in the state to push for a commission to push for public hearings and public testimony so we're hearing from the public during the process on what they want to see reflected
in the map so they reflect and protect the communities of this country. >> of course, as you point out, this is happening now. this is not a future threat. redistricting gerrymandering is happening as we speak. let's see what happens on wednesday. appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> good to be with you. still to come, actor, writer and producer is here that plays in "marvel's eternals ". we'll speak to him, plus, how he thinks joe biden is doing as president but up next, another day, another seemingly frivolous lawsuit filed by donald j. trump. i'll speak to mary trump's lawyer next. stick around for this conversation. next. stick around for this conversation ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark.
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former members of his administration and entourage from the house select committee's probe and his tantrum over his twitter ban he filed a lawsuit in florida this month to try to get himself reinstated. he misses it. he's just lost a suit against former employee omarosa over false claims she violated an mda. that legal battle is set to cost trump in the millions and the manhattan district attorney is conducting a criminal investigation of the trump organization for pervasive tax fraud. and if all that wasn't enough billable hours, there is the fact he's suing his own niece, that's right, his flesh and blood. he filed a $100 million lawsuit against mary trump and "the new york times" claiming she breached a non-disclosure agreement by sharing his tax records with "the times" and called it an insidious plot. she called him a loser. joining me is the first amendment lawyer and attorney for mary trump.
thanks for coming on the show tonight. you've called this lawsuit frivolous. this isn't the first time your client mary trump is accused of violating the nba she had with her family. they tried to get an injunction against the release of her book. that failed. she admitted in the book she gave the tax records to "the times." does trump have any kind of case here? >> he doesn't. the problem in the first case when they tried to block the book, the judge said that the interpretation of the non-disclosure agreement to apply to mary's book made no sense. it was over broad and he gave it a very narrow interpretation. that's the first thing. the second thing is donald trump has brought this lawsuit against his niece, mary, for what show wrote in her book, too much and never enough and what the "new york times" published in politzer prize winning article that exposed fraudulent business and tax schemes and the lawsuit
is lengthy but does not challenge one word of mary trump's book, not one word of the "new york times." he admitted it was all true. the third thing is mary trump has her own lawsuit pending against donald trump in new york seeking tens of millions of dollars that donald trump and his siblings ripped off from her and she's challenging the very thing he's trying to enforce as having been procured by fraud. so this is a really weak case. it frivolous. and we're looking forward to moving to dismiss it very soon. >> talk about the bigger picture. trump is throwing everything at the wall and hoping something sticks. he's no stranger to litigation fair to say. is it a distraction? is itself promotion? is the point of this noise? it's costing him an awful lot of money. he doesn't appear to be winning
the cases he's fighting. you suggested this is a legal intimidation by the president. >> you touched on all the facets why donald trump would vin dikttiveness, distraction and also, i think, self-promotion in a sense he can see he's sued "the new york times." he's sued mary trump. i guess, that's a badge of honor in some circles. the last point you made is chilling effect and intimidation effect that lawsuits can have even if it's baseless it can be costly for a journalist or mary trump, an author to fight for lawsuits and so that causes future journalists to hesitate in criticizing people that are powerful. it a toxic mixture of all those things? so i mentioned in the intro, trump has a bunch of things going on here. i wonder, you, as a lawyer looking at the whole picture,
should he be busy going around suing people or should he be a little more defensive in his legal operations now given the 1-6 committee that seems to be coming closer and closer to him, given the manhattan d.a. going after the trump organization on tax fraud and given fulton county, georgia given possible election interference by the president that rang up brad and said find 11,000 votes. what kind of legal trouble -- it's unprecedented. what kind of trouble is he in across the board? >> he's facing an array of these serious inquiries, lawsuits, investigations and lawsuits by others. there are other civil suits pending against him. i'm not his lawyer and giving legal advice but i'd tell him to lay low. stop talking. stop promoting a big lie that caused insurrection. it's baffling. and it's just an improper lawsuit but it mind boggling he
would file it. >> i mean, normally donald trump doesn't need advice or encouragement to stay on the golf course but in this point, he really should perhaps take you up on that. before i let you go, ted, your expertise as the first amendment, double america is in the midst of a free speech crisis. that's what we keep hearing about not media and politics and culture. right wingers talk about gone mad on the left, political correctness. cancel culture. you have the right, the republicans themselves also passing actual laws to pan the teaching of history or racism in schools. where do you stand on this whole debate over free speech in america? how bad is it and what is driving it? >> we're in a world of hurt, i think, to a certain extent in large part because of donald trump. he waged a war of media. the press, he undermines the public's confidence in the greatest news organizations in the world. at the same time, he conducted a
disinformation campaign from the white house with misinformation, disinformation to this day, he's still doing it. and then you have the misunderstanding, i think, by government officials, by the public about what the first amendment and freedom of speech is supposed to do. it's supposed to help citizens make sensible decisions and you have people attacking journalists, free speech, and i think the attacks on so-called woke and -- i think that's over blown but i think rather than trying to just throw people out of society, we need to just have more speech. explain why people are wrong. so i think we have problems. i think all these lawsuits are a problem. so i think we just need to keep fighting and also just talking to the public what the first amendment is all about. >> yeah, talking to the public but also talking to republican
legislatures that say things like that's not the first amendment applied to private corporations or what not. they don't seem to understand what it applies to. i find it amusing when you see members of congress going on but they don't quite get it. i'm glad you made that point. i'm interested to hear you talk about it being over blown, the attacks on cancel culture. a view we share. ted, thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thanks for having me. coming up, my rant on how joe biden's commission is completely come pitlated to mitch mcconnell and i'll speak to eternal star about his new movie and why he felt a certain amount of responsibility while creating his character but first, richard lui wee is here with the head lives. >> some stories we're watching this hour. former president bill clinton was released from the hospital in southern california. he was admitted tuesday for a urinary tract infection.
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the roles he found himself being asked to audition for but not anymore. because this november he's playing the first ever south asian super hero and first ever pakistan american super hero in marvel studios "eternals." i cannot wait. i'm talking about comedian, actor and producer and i'm delighted to welcome him back to the show tonight. thanks so much for coming on the show. congratulations on the new movie. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> when i was growing up in the u.k., the only south asians you would see in hollywood were playing or terrorist. i would never believe we'd have a marvel superhero played by a pakistan immigrant. what does the role mean to you personally? >> well, you know, to me, it was obviously personally an incredible opportunity and then, you know, with regards to kind
of representation or people have seen in main stream hollywood pop culture, it also felt like a responsibility because of that. i just wanted to portray someone who is very, very different from the kinds of roles that people who look like us have traditionally played in america cap movies and tv shows. so for me, creating this character, i looked at exactly the things you're saying. we're either nerds or terrorists fixing computers or planning something bad. i wanted it to be the exact opposite of the kinds of things that i had seen people who look like us play and the kinds of things that i had got the chance to play before. >> yeah, now you're saving the world not doing things that are nafarious. >> were you a comic book fan?
>> yes. i loved spiderman and batman. i think i can say that. i was a huge, huge comic book fan. biggest nerd, biggest geek out of all my friends. comic books, video games, movies, you know, i -- at the end of summer all my friends were, i would see them at school and everyone's skin was darker because they had been in the sun. my skip was lighter because i was at home reading comic books. >> little did you know where it would lead you. i like the d.c. reference. maybe we'll see you join the justice league, maybe you can multi task. i personally am not the biggest of d.c. fans in movie terms. i love the m.c. with movies. it was looking back very white for "iron man, captain america, hulk" hulk is green on the outside but white green banner on the inside and you have a decade later marvel's eternals
where it you,salma. is that as a whole to recognize the importance of representation. did you feel that on the set? >> you know, i actually did not feel that on the set. i think it was important for chloe for rational reasons. she said this is a global super hero team. it should look like the globe. you said traditionally super heroes in american pop culture have looked very, very not like the world. they look very, very specific and for chloe, you know, obviously representation is important but more than that, she was like these people were sent to earth to blend in with earth, not to blend with america so they should look like the world, you know. to her that was more important than anything was, you know, that obviously, you know, the
diversity and representation is important. we want kids to be able to sigh -- see themselves when they watch a movie but more than that for chloe, it was like this is how it should be. you know, that's what felt very -- that was surprising to me in making this movie. it did not feel like we were trying to fix something. it didn't feel like she was trying to fix something. she was just like presenting it as if this is how it should have always been. >> kumail, some people think when i say i like "fast and furious," they think i'm a serious person. this is what you do in your down time? i don't watch documentaries simply because the world is so messed up. what i do for a living is i need escape. do you think that's why i love the idea people don't follow their rules and use special powers to save the world but the
real world, it's joe mansion every week screwing us over and in super hero world that doesn't happen. >> i think that might be part of it. there are a lot of problems in the world, and we are not powerful enough to fix them so then watching problems in movies that are a little simpler to fix where the good guys and bad guys are maybe a little bit more purely dellinuated pace based on your perspective and seeing super power people fix the problems, i think that's probably very cathardic. good and bad are clearly defined and it interesting eternals is, it's a little vague. morally, it a little complex. like chloe wanted to make sure -- it's very interesting. to her, she wanted to show sort of different perspectives on
morality and so it's -- this movie has a lot of gray in it. on top of that, it still has, that's what is so cool about it. it has a big, fun popcorn. it funny. it's fun. it thrilling. it has romance. >> on that note, it does look like a lot of fun, i do look forward to watching it with my daughter. i can't wait to see you do a dance routine as part of your character. a lot of people including every brown guy i know and your co-star salma have noticed your physique. you got seriously ripped for this movie but you said in recent interviews that you wish nobody would talk about your body again. i apologize for doing that. but i have to ask, do you feel that way because you've been body shamed by some people online? i see some folks even suggesting
race played a part in this because you in your new muscular phase don't fit the stereo type of what some people think a brown south asian man should look like. is that your view? >> well, i mean, it hard for me to parse through that and understand what people's motivations are. i think that a lot of complex things at play. for me, the frustration has been that the last year and a half, you know, i did -- i have this body transformation and that's the only thing people have known of me in the last year and a half. so i personally am excited for this movie to come out because people get to see why i did it. people get to see my actual performance, what i actually do for a living, you know. i'm not like known for being a buff guy. i'm known for being being funny whatever it is. i want to go back to that. the conversation used to be is
kumail funny or not? it changed. i want to go back to that. that's the exact reason why i got into this. >> so before we run out of time, i got to ask about politics. last time we spoke a year ago on this show before the election, you made the case why trump had to go and people should vote for joe biden and democrats, especially naturalized citizens, immigrant communities. a year on, how do you feel about biden and the dems on the issue of immigration. they staged a virtual walkout yesterday. they are so frustrated. you see sbp officers on horseback coraling black and brown immigrants. what is your view of the biden administration on this issue? >> well, you know, i mean, yeah, obviously immigration issues are so, so important. my entire family, we're all i'm immigrants. it's interesting because there
are two aspects. number one, it's a symbolic victory you don't have a president actively espousing it. that's a massive, massive improvement. that makes a big difference. however, you know, i mean those pictures you talk about are absolutely horrific. it not rhetoric. it's not the only thing that matters. obviously, we need a lot of immigration reform and to me, the reason that this conversation becomes so heated is that nobody ever thinks of these people as people, really. it's always numbers. even when you look at the horrific pictures, you know, it's what is most devastating about it is that those pictures dehumanize these people who put everything on the line to move here, you know, to fight for better life for themselves and their families and to see them go through that, i'm getting
emotional talking about it but i think that's what needs to change. we just don't approach this problem as a human problem. we approach it as a numbers problem, which is, you know, i think something that i think biden could do better with. >> well said. on that very passionate and eloquent point, we'll have to leave it there. we're out of time. appreciate you for joining us on this show to talk movies and politics as ever. "eternals "premieres on november 5th. congratulations on the film. my daughter and i can't wait to see it. >> thank you for having me. the movie is amazing. what has a texas school district, the republican party and holocaust got in common? you really need to hear this for yourself. that's next, don't go away. yourself that's next, don't go away ♪ ♪
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thank you for watching. we'll be back next sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern and you can catch me monday through thursday at 7:00 p.m. eastern on "the choice." now it's time to hand it over but before i go, john stewart made noise this morning criticiing the media. >> the media does a terrible job at deescalation and deescalation is the anecdote to all this
non-sense. and i don't mean civility and i don't mean non-partisanship, i mean focussing on things that are more urgent and eloquent -- elemental in people's lives and hammering away at those things. >> i adore john stewart. i used to worship "the daily show "when he hosted it but isn't he falling into the trap as referring to the media, when he really means right wing media? i've spend this year focussing this show on elemental issues and the economy, covid. fox spent it on critical race theory and dr. seuss. why should i be lumped in with them? >> you're absolutely right and i'm totally with you. i love john stewart. he brings a lot of valid points to discussion. media is not above criticism but to say all media and broadcast media should be lumped in this
category of deescalation is false. right wing media and fox news and specific, they're talking about vaccine hesitancy and out there every night hammering home talking about mask mandates being in violation of our freedom. it brings up another interesting point i wanted to ask you about and something you've spoken about which is the role of media this this conversation about the build back better agenda and whether or not we as journalists are supposed to be out there selling the democratic agenda to the american public as if their messaging or bad or is the media at fault and not doing a good job of explaining it? >> good question. it doesn't have to be either or. i think democratic messaging has been bad undoubtedly so. very few people have been out there sellingsanders did more t the bill than most quote unquote democrats but we in the media could do more to convey the
policy side of things. the media is not above criticism. our industry wrongly assumes. on this show i did a 60-second summery and went viral online. people want to hear details when it affects their lives and i don't think we should so quickly get into the escalation, deescalation game without also doing substance. we can all improve no doubt about that. >> listen, let's not forget at the end of the day, it's the responsibility of every citizen to go out there and get that information. i'm convinced if you want that information and an engaged citizen that wants to know what is in the build back better plan, take the initiative and find out whether watching your show, watching you on twitter, going to the website of the white house and primary sources for the information, it's out there. you have to want it. my friend, great show. good to see you. enjoy your night off, my friend. good evening. welcome. texas legislatures are locked
into last-minute negotiations over new political maps that would give republicans an overwhelming edge over democrats and critics say it will silence black and hispanic voters. i'll discuss gerrymandering voting rights and the the media for not selling their positive to the american people. that is not really our job there. i'm going to ask my sunday night panel about that, and the breakdown in messaging over that 3.5 trillion dollar spending bill over ten years. that is the key point in all of this. plus, transportation pete has some choice words for those criticize in his opportunity leave, turns out tents actually do more than babysit. who knew? i'm with ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. we but so a redistri