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thanks for joining us. i'm in tonight. this hour trump heads to court, set to give a deposition in a legal case dating back to his
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pre-presidency phase. also tonight, the big old mess in texas. the state's gop is changing the rules to remain in power. how long will voters allow them to do that. new details about the president's plan to reinstate trump's remain in mexico policy. and tonight you'll hear from two political organizers finding america's next leaders on snapchat, one snap at a time. let's begin this hour with the never-ending quest to hold trump accountable for his lies and rhetoric that inspired the riot on january 6. signs of what would eventually happen could be seen in the first weeks of the 2016 campaign, when he began his lies about immigrants and now about the election he lost. the former president better stick to the truth tomorrow when he's under oath giving his first post-presidency deposition as ordered by a judge in the bronx, it's tied to a lawsuit by a
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bunch of protesters who claims they were roughed up. >> we have every reason to believe that mr. trump will be there on monday morning and submit to trial examination by video deposition as per the court's order. we expect this examination to be conducted in a professional manner that is representative of being officers of the court on both ends of the table. >> those demonstrators say they were protesting trump's campaign announcement about mexican immigrants when he called them rapist and criminals. but he's not solely to blame. his lies only carry weight if they are believed, and they are by his faithful who remain hell bent on believing that the 2020 election was stolen from them.
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given that trump's influence over the gop has all but withered since they threw him out of office in 2020. joining us, our analysts. barbara mccade 6 also hosts #sistersinlaw. what should we expect tomorrow? >> what's always difficult with donald trump is you never know what words are going to come out of his mouth. he's been through this process many times in his life as a businessman. he'll be asked questions under oath. i think there's a good reason that his lawyers in the mueller investigation insisted on written questions. he is so unfamiliar with the truth that it is difficult for him to tell it. >> can we read the tea leaves at
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all if he is subpoenaed by the january 6 commission? >> i think there's a likelihood he could have to testify in person. it seems like in the past there have always been courtesies extended to presidents and former presidents. bill clinton got to do his testimony in testimony for grand jury in private, in video, not in the open. but donald trump has shown such a flagrant abuse of the process, that calling him before the committee and forcing him to testify might be the only way that we can get to the bottom of what was on his mind on january 6. >> i want to bring you into the conversation. just a few days ago, we saw trumpism on full display in an event for the virginia governor race. the gop candidate basically says, i want to invite kim from chesapeake, carrying a flag that was carried at the peaceful rally on january 6.
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i ask you all to join us as we are led in the pledge of alliance. can you speak to the absurdity? >> well, it's truly absurd, because what we've seen now is items that were carried in the insurrection, which was used as events to topple the united states government are having a talis manic event. they're essentially carrying them as relics as if it's going to give them some connection deeper to donald trump, and the fact that they tried to overthrow government. and it all flies in the face of their own story line. this story arc in which it was antifa and black lives matter that carried out the attack. and on some sides you see them not only recognizing that they've carried out this event but as i said in the video, a peaceful protest at the capitol and now carrying an american
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flag which took part in that. it's absolutely disgraceful that any of this is happening. but what you're seeing is a strategy by the republicans and trump play out where they are now embracing the popularism of that violence. >> i want to turn to you. you wrote an article for the ""huffington post."" you wrote that someone had watched things that convinced him that trump had won the election. how are trump's words being used to bring people back? are they believing it? >> yeah, you know, it's fascinating. d.j. rodrigues in this interview spilled his guts to the fbi and explained exactly how he got to the place where he was. the fbi asked how does this guy go from saying he supports the
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police and standing up for antifa going to a d.c. police officer, in the neck. he basically explained that he really thought the election was stolen. so many are proud of their actions that day. that's the logic would you follow, if there was this massive conspiracy and this is
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continued. you are an expert in western propaganda and what they do to turn people on its head and basically create walls where there's truth and there's not. a lot of what was seen on the commission, a lot of this
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nefarious activity in which the trump campaign was seen as friendly and then the trump team took that information including stolen information from the democratic national committee and created their own information information here. once the russian bubble was popped, the russians barely have
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to do anything. >> not only patriotic but violence is the solution, they're carrying out a second lexington, a second concord, 17762.0. they think they are restoring the united states despite the fact that they are physically attacking the united states. and believe me. the way ammunition prices went up the last year on the public market, i think these people really believe that they're going to effect a resolution. >> that's what we're finding out, a capitol police officer was also involved providing some
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of the protesters, coaching them about whatnot to put on social media. how far does the commission go and what other players could we see come to the surface? >> i think it's one of the things that blinded law enforcement to the problem before january 6. you know, there were a lot of people in law enforcement who are conservative. it's generally, the fbi is a conservative-leaning organization. a lot of law enforcement agencies are conservative leaning. because they saw this crowd as someone that was on their side, quote unquote, or backing the blue, it wasn't seen as as big of a threat as it was. if you go back to the black lives matter protests in washington last year. you look at the police response to that and how overprepared and sort of guarded and militarized a lot of that response was.
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they had, you know, people in full, you know, full combat gear, essentially, protecting federal buildings. they brought in even, you know, bureau of prisons guards from across the country to protect different buildings in d.c. then you look at january 6, and it was barely a blip on the radar, even toe when you look at the logic, you have a bunch of people who believed a conspiracy theory gathering in this spot on this date and you had a charismatic president who was basically guiding them on what to do and sending them in one direction. the idea that this wasn't a potential threat or identified as big as a threat as it ultimately ended up being is really troubling and something that the january 6 committee should look into closely, because that's not something that the justice department's prosecuting. that's not something that the
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fbi's going to say hey, here's where we screwed up. that falls to the legislative branch to answer those questions. >> a lot to discover. there are so many questions that remain around the commission and what happened and what the president did or did not know at the time on january 6. thank you so much for joining me. >> next, the plan by texas republicans to stay in power by rigging the game. what can congress do about it? and later the administration's plan to reimplement trump's remain in mexico policy. >> good to see you. a search under way for a group of missionaries captured by a gang in haiti. one is a canadian. the group was reportedly returning from building an orphanage when they were kidnapped.
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one person is dead after a shooting in louisiana. seven were hurt last night, classes and homecoming events are postponed. former president bill clinton is out of the hospital after six days of treatment for a urinary tract infection. he will remain on antibiotics as he continues his recovery at home. and the chicago sky have become the wnba champions beating the phoenix mercury. the sky overcame a 14-point deficit in the second half to win. more "american voices" right after this break. more "american voices" right after this break even touch free. preparation h. get comfortable with it.
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a brewing battle for voting rights in texas. a dramatic underrepresentation of people of color. they have until tuesday to figure it out. make no mistake, the map, as it stands now, gives a no-went situation for democrats. at texas tribune puts it, the map gives republican a bigger edge, a "mother jones" reporter points out that they have 60% of
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texas districts. black voters only 3%. whether it's legislative reproductive rights, preventing transgender students from competing in sports, they have proven they will stop at nothing to regain power. a note of transparency, there are two active lawsuits in the state of texas. joining me now is julian castr and brian fallon. i'd like to start with you, julian. because one of the things that seems to be so off putting that's happening in texas is that a lot of things that seem to be legislated are not coming from the grassroots. a lot of it seems to be coming out of washington, whether we're talking about the heritage foundation when it comes to voting rights restrictions or
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anti-abortion laws. can you speak to that, how it is inconsistent with what texans want. >> there's a huge gap between the people of texas now, today, the texas that we live in and the gop leadership that of course is in cahoots with gop leadership in washington. folks will remember about 20 years ago when congressman tom delay led an effort to do mid district redistricting. that led republicans to rig the system here in texas to make sure republicans stay in power. that has been there for a long time. and now they've taken it to a new level. you mentioned with these new maps that completely block out the ability of the communities that are growing in the state. people of color contributed to 95% of the growth in the state over the last decade, cut them
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out of any new political power. voter suppression measures that they passed, just to try and squeeze-out as many more years as they can in power, because they recognize that what happened in arizona, what happened in georgia will happen here in texas. >> well, let's underscore, it is shocking that even though the texas population that grew, 95% of them were people of color, and they don't want to recognize that type of control and that kind of power. brian, what's the state of that m i think that is what's most shocking is that after the supreme court gutted the voting rights act, and i'm asking you, because you've done so much work on the supreme court, after they gutted this map right now would not have passed muster prior to that. what do you say to that? >> well, the supreme court's actions have emboldened republicans at the state level to get more and more aggressive
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in their voter suppression and gerrymandering tactics and it puts into starker relief the need for the senate and house to act on comprehensive voting rights reform. chuck schumer announced they're going to vote on the freedom to vote act which is a compromised version that joe manchin says he's going to support. the question is, what are democrats, what is the biden administration going to do after that fails? are they going to press joe manchin and kiersten sinema to reconsider their position. i think frustrations are boiling over in the democratic party right now with the biden administration, that they've been too focussed on the infrastructure bill, not focussed enough quite frankly on this law, this proposed law. you have voices across the democratic party, sherrod brown who is not a provocative,
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conflict-seeking democrat, saying no, president is not doing enough, adam schiff saying he'd like to see movement by the biden administration on this bill, a friend of mine who runs the lawyer's committee for civil rights saying the pulpit couldn't be bullier. the biden administration should be prioritizing voting rights over infrastructure. neither bill has passed all these months later, and at least joe manchin supports the underlying premise of the freedom to vote act. which we can't say for the reconciliation unfortunately. >> what's going to happen. i ask this because what brian is flagging is that unless the freedom to vote act is passed that provides and prevents gerrymandering, the republican-held state lawmakers are rigging the map. once those are baked in, it's
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going to be almost impossible to peel them back, and then democrats are going to, it's going to be easier for the republicans then to went back the house next year. what advice do you have for the legislators right now in the senate? >> my advice for the biden administration is brian, they have to treat this like the emergency that it is, like the existential threat to our democracy that it represents. a couple months back there was a report that said for the infrastructure package, that the administration had had 300 separate meetings with folks on the hill. i want to see the 300 meetings for making sure that we pass voting rights legislation and also, you know, other important pieces of investing in our social infrastructure. there needs to be that full-court press. because if not, then the field day, the texas republicans, the
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georgia republicans, the other republicans across the country are having, rigging the system to stay in power is going to become absolutely the norm, and the question is not going to be whether democrats are going to get elected, it's going to be does our democracy exist in the way we know today. if they don't do something about it, in a few years time, the answer could be no. the biden administration needs to treat it as the emergency it is. >> you have a brunch of republicans who doesn't believe everyone should have access to voting booths. that is sounding the alarm. thank you for joining me this evening. next, the plan to bring back trump's remain in mexico policy. new reporting on the impact that will have. plus, two activists who are using snapchat to find america's future politicians. you're watching america's voices only on msnbc. g america's voices only on msnbc. um uh, brass band, new orleans.
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new frustration between
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immigration advocates and the biden white house. last week dozens of advocates walked out of a virtual meeting, protesting biden's decision to maintain or resurrect trump's policies. one saying, quote, i can't stand one more meeting pretending they give us accolades. advocates and lawyers have long warned the policy increases the risk of migrants being raped, kidnapped and killed. then there's act used to deport haitians. these exist because the political will to reform america's immigration system does not. they have tried passing measures through the reconciliation process, but those efforts were
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blocked by the senate parliamentarian. i want to start with you. one of the things that was a bit surprising was the walkout. this administration had started talking to immigration advocates long before they even put into the white house. can you talk about where that friction is, and what you expect to be the fallout, if anything from this. >> it's a fascinating area and one that we don't always get to talk about. it seems we're jumping from one thing to another and what's going on at the border. what we're understanding now is a lot of advocacy groups, a lot of people even came over to the administration from advocacy groups and joined government. they're starting to have a friction now, because they haven't seen daca passed.
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a lot of advocacy groups are suing to lift article 42. and now of course remain in mexico, which the biden administration has said they are only reimplementing because they were forced to do so by courts. but this culminates in a lot of frustration. it's not just advocates versus the administration. there's actually a real divide within the administration. we know of several dhs officials who have recently left who have told me, you know what? this is an administration at war with itself because it can't decide how progressive it wants to be when it comes to the border. >> one of the things that we're seeing is that the parliamentarian has axed a lot of work that they want, which is a path to citizenship. what is the state of play, given what julia is saying.
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there seems to be a friction within the administration, and again, what she pointed out is so unique. there are so many advocates that were on the outside now on the inside. where do we find ourselves right now with the parliamentarian if they're saying no path to citizenship. what are the pathways forward in your opinion? >> um, well, i mean right now, as you mentioned, things time to be going wrong for immigration reform. things are not going, moving forward in congress. on border enforcement, with title 42. on the other hand, last week there was one area where there was a glimmer of hope. which was the announcement from dhs that they were recognizing, finally, that labor enforcement and immigration enforcement policies in the united states are in direct conflict. and the new policy creates a
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system where there is, there can be an incentive for workers to come forward and blow the whistle on their employers, and that's a good sign. >> i met with secretary mayorkas a few weeks ago. one thing that he stressed was work enforcement is down. what impact does that have? >> it's important to realize we're talking about different populations. that does have a different impact on immigrants living here sometimes for decades, some people who maybe came with their parents as children, daca recipients who have been living in fear, people who went underground during the years of the trump administration, very fearful of these i.c.e. raids. think about mississippi a few years ago, when there were children waiting for parents to come home from work and they
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never came home because of the raids. but that doesn't change the calculation for those who are asylum seekers crossing the border. they have a harder time coming in today than you would have had at the beginning of the trump administration pre-covid, 2017-2019. it's harder now because title 42 being in place. it's a different story when you look at the border. >> and i think one of the challenges, as julia pointed out is that we often conflate the immigration issue, and we're talking about two different population. those that have been living here about 20 year versus those who are trying to seek asylum. when you are talking to the administration, what do you hear folks saying when it comes to the 11 million and an eventual path to citizenship, nadia? >> i mean, when, it is true that
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there are different populations. but the other truth is that the main reason that people come to the united states and what every worker is engaged in here, what every immigrant is engaged in here is work. so labor enforcement policy is key, and recognizing the intersection between labor enforcement poll city and immigration policy is also key. and inside the administration i don't know what the discussions are inside, but i do know that they need to take this head on. take on this opportunity to use the authority that the administration has in a time where every other avenue is stuck. they need to take that opportunity to encourage workers to come forward and change the dynamics, so that employers are not the ones who are incentivized to drive down
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workers. they are encouraged to come forward regardless of their immigration status and enforce their rights. >> and this week there will be an immigration week of action. we'll be following it closely. julia, one last question for you. one of the lingering impacts of the trump administration is the incarceration, sadly, of children. and we're learning that there's still roughly 11,000 children in detention. what is the biden administration doing to alleviate and remove them from those spaces and bring them into guardianships of some sort? >> well, first it's important to remember that these children are in the care of hhs. it's not i.c.e., it's not punitive, and it's been hard really, for any administration to imagine a difference in that system where children would go straight from a border processing center to be released at large in the united states. these children who need to have some sort of shelter and be provided for and then have the people who are coming forward to be their sponsors, to have them vetted. the problems sometimes there's a
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backlog. it can be a month, two months until people who are begging to come forward, parents are calling the hotline all the time saying i'm in the united states waiting to pick up my child, until they can be reunited. we know they have tried to speed up the process in a number of ways. but there's also been a number of problems. we've had reporting here on msnbc and nbc about whistle-blowers coming forward and saying look, i saw solutions and these contractors weren't willing to do them. still a lot of work that needs to be done in that area. >> julia, nadia, thank you both for joining me this evening. next, empty shelves and higher prices. the role of inflation in america's supply shoortage, ahead. america's supply shoortage, ahead. on the edge of a forest in norway, there were three things my family encouraged: kindness, honesty and hard work. over time, i've come to add a fourth: be curious. be curious about the world
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costs and the labor shortages that have hit the country in the last year, businesses need to pass on costs. some are cutting their service quality. hotels cutting down cleaning services. and the end of daily room cleaning means up to 39% of housekeeping jobs may be gone forever, according to a hotel workers union. >> i think there were a lot of people that came out of the big chain hotel market and moved into the residential due to either being fired or they didn't feel that they wanted to go off on their own. and as far as inflation goes, it's really just the gas prices, and then the equipment and all of that. >> many other misses across the market place also cutting costs to keep up. >> when it comes to airfare you
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large numbers of student loan debt and huge numbers of folks arember interested in criminal justice reform. large numbers of people are s interested and really motivated by climate change. and so, you know, the issues of the previous generation just no longer, no longer resonate with young folks today. >> amanda, something that i often say, when i do voter registration work is i don't need to convince a young voter that climate change is real, i just need to convince them to nc vote. how do t you now change that ng equation and encourage people to
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run for office? something that i found really fascinating, 70% of elections go uncontested. there's no challenger.s how will this initiative possibly change that?ss >> would you believe it's as t' simple as simply asking them? since we launched nearly five years ago, nearly 85,000 young people, all across the country, haveac raised their hands simpla because we asked. and the snapchat partnership in the last week brought in 4,000 of them. mostly young people, 85% under the age of 30, a third under thd age of 21. two-thirds of people of color. more than a third lgbtq plus. they're really reflective of ly what the majority of the american people are, and more importantly, once we asked thema they raised their hands. no one had asked them to run for office before. it's what makes this revolution with snapchat so revolutionary.
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it's the largest candidate recruitment app as far as we know. >> i think one of the things that is revolutionary is that s you're encouraging young peoplee to run for office. what are the obstacles young people face in order to get into the ring? t >> yeah, i think some of them include, you know, young people need to make money. it's really difficult to campaign and have a job at the same time. you know, oftentimes you get older folks who are already running, you know, essentially telling you to wait in line. so there's tons of issues, you know, that are specific to again gen z that are specific to women of color. that's what we're trying to do with this partnership. >> thank you and thank you to the young people tuning in, and
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