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registration, these kinds of things automatically increase turnout for people -- turn out in states. i think we have to advocate for things like carveout in the filibuster. we have to see with the carveout people will have the ability to pass the freedom to vote act. i think it's really important that that's done, especially if this legislation is not passed next week. i think if joe manchin fails to bring ten votes, we all will have to understand that the only way to pass voting rights is to go ahead and -- >> appreciate it. sorry, i have to wrap up the hour and toss it over to reverend al sharpton. we appreciate your voice on this matter. i will be back in the chair next sunday, 3:00 p.m. eastern. i will turn it over now to my
colleague, al sharpton, and "politics nation." good evening, and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead, battleground georgia. in 2020 the peach state proved crucial in sending joe biden to the white house and delivering democrats, a slim majority in the senate. with the midterms and 2024 looming, georgia may once again figure as a flash point in an all-out fight for the heart and soul of our nation. former president trump, who is still under criminal investigation for his hand-fisted effort to try and find more than 11,000 votes in the state held a rally there last month where he called for an arizona-style audit of the 2020 election results. georgia's republican elected officials, including governor
brian kemp, who resisted trump's blatant coup attempt last year, nevertheless used the big lie to pass one of the most repressive voting laws in the country, in a desperate attempt to keep their state blue by disenfranchising black and brown voters who dare to vote for democrats. the state's ongoing lieutenant government, jeff duncan, is one of the few republicans to buck the trend. he appeared on this very program to talk about a gop 2.0. trying to win votes with fresh ideas than trying to oppressing them, and you will forgive me for my skepticism, and seems to me the fight to save our democracy won't be one at the
georgia state house but rather in washington, d.c., in the halls of the capitol or the chambers of the supreme court. that political battle is just beginning, and it will take all of us to win it. joining me now, georgia congressman, hank johnson, who sits on the transportation and infrastructure and judiciary committees. congressman johnson, thanks for being with us. let's go right at it. let's start with the fight for democracy in georgia, and that's what it boils down to, democracy, and none of this would be happening if the john roberts voting act. the biden commission, you say
they miss the mark. you are supporting the bill that would add four more justices to the bench. tell us why. >> thank you, reverend. >> i think we're having audio problems with the congressman. we'll try to get that fixed. but i think that i wanted to start to show, to really put into focus, that how we got here is important and the supreme court that decided 2013 and decides where we go in terms of upcoming voting matters, they are going to have to be looked at as we deal with the voting -- as we deal with these voting rights legislation matters in the senate, which we will get to
on the show. we'll be back with congressman johnson, but joining me now is two former congress members, congresswoman edwards, and david, both msnbc political analysts. david, we are one day away from former trump possibly sitting down for a video deposition for a lawsuit involving a 2015 alleged assault that happened outside of trump tower during a demonstration. the assault was between an employee of trump's security team and a protester. trump has shyed away from getting involved in lawsuits that maimed him before. what do you see happening this time? >> yeah, this is a very important development in the case. the judge ordered that donald trump, now no longer president, does not have an excuse to avoid
testimony. this relates to some protesters that were objecting to donald trump's comments about mexican immigrants. this was one of those inflexion points and donald trump's rise to the presidency when people spoke out and said we do not want this voice of hate, if you will, to be elevated [ inaudible ] a judge now said listen, this is about the trump organization and donald trump's decision to treat protesters with physical force. donald trump could be liable here. his organization certainly could be liable. the judge said no more avoiding your day in court, mr. president. you have to testify. it will be videotaped and aired at the trial where donald trump will be under oath having to say whether or not he provided any direction for the use of force against protesters over his comments about mexican immigrants.
>> now, it seems to me that several of trump's former allies are determined to defy the subpoenas for the january 6th investigation at the same time, and it was doled out, as you know, by the select committee. now the committee is considering to hold anybody that refuses to comply in criminal contempt. will that encourage those people to cooperate or will it back fire? >> i definitely think it's appropriate for congress to use every measure possible to compel the testimony of these witnesses. here's the thing. these witnesses are going to have to decide, do they want to continue to stand with and by the former president even to the point where they end up in jail or not? i think it's important for congress, because there has been a question about whether congress is able to fully
exercise its authority to get to the truth. i think this is one way to be able to do that. i know i wouldn't be willing to go to jail for a president of the united states to avoid testifying under oath to tell the truth in the matter of what happened on january 6th. >> isn't this also going to be tested in terms of the department of justice of this administration that if they hand this over as a criminal complaint that it really will be a lot of us watching to see, will the attorney general order they be arrested and put in jail if they do not comply with this subpoena? will it be something that will be demoralizing to many supporters of the administration if they treat this with soft gloves? >> i think congress has to act, and the department of justice is
going to have to follow-through. there's no reason that the department of justice should refuse to enforce this contempt order from congress. congress is a co equal branch of government. witnesses come before congress all the time. we were at a situation where witnesses just decided they would defy any request for congress to appear before them, it would completely undermine our system. i do believe the department of justice is, in fact, going to enforce the subpoenas. >> we are not talking about a fine, no warning, no stop or go, go straight to jail. let me stay with donna here. they are concerned the 2020 census may have drastically under counted black americans. they have yet to release the data to compare, and this could
affect everything from accurate representation from elections to federally funded programs like snap and housing? >> this was the fear going back into the spring that the census would undercount minority communities, and particularly black children. i am very concerned about this, because it does, as you say, impact everything from housing to school nutrition to highway construction. so many state and federal programs are designed around following these census tracks. when there is an undercount, it means those communities received fewer resources than others. i think it would be appropriate, one, for congress to come back in the final analysis.
there has been a significant undercount to come back and make sure that the census bureau actually does something to adjust those numbers so that resources could go to communities in need. so this is not over. we will see what the final analysis is. this reporting was about a preliminary analysis that shows there may have been a significant undercount of black and hispanic communities. >> david, the doj is considering ways to protect school boards and staff from all the threats faced by teachers and personnel due to mask and vaccine mandates, as well as the manufactured fear surrounding the so-called critical race theory being taught in schools, and is there a new front line in the maga field, is this a new
strategy? >> it is. national republicans see the opportunity to mobilize voters through, at times, these culture wars, and they talk about it. but i think the other important thing is you have to recognize the only reason the fbi and federal officials are contemplating providing certain protection around the meetings is because republican governors in the state are failing to provide for the safety and security of school board members, because they want this fight. they see this fight as good for republicans. so it is right that the federal government, the fbi is having to look at ways to protect school board members, and it's an indictment of republican governors. in many states, florida being an example there, there is now a move to turn school board raise from nonpartisan where the person does not appear on the
ballot, to make it a political race. >> that would certainly politicize the process. thank you, donna edwards and david johnson. now we go back to congressman johnson. let's start with the fight for democracy in georgia, and elsewhere as i said when we tried this before the technical problem. none of this would be happening, none of this would be happening in changing the voting restriction laws if the john roberts-led supreme court had not gutted the voting rights act in 2013. this week president biden's supreme court put out draft materials, indicating it would support term limits rather than
expanding the court. would you say this misses the mark? you are supporting a bill that would add four more justices to the bench. tell us why? >> now, i think we are frozen again. we keep having technical problems with the congressman johnson. let's take a break. coming up -- there can be some not-so-pretty stuff going on, on the inside. it's true, if you have diabetes, you know high blood sugar is the root of the problem. but that excess sugar can cause the blood vessels to be seriously damaged. and when that happens, this could happen, vision loss or even blindness. that's right, diabetic retinopathy is a leading cause of blindness for adults in the u.s. but even though you can't see it, there is something you can do about it. remember this: now is the time to get your eyes checked.
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welcome back to "politics nation." i am richard lui with a little update for you. president bill clinton left uc irvine medical center in california. his medical treatment said he will finish his treatment at home in new york. and then recommending booster shots for all three available covid vaccines.
roughly 100 million vaccinated americans are eligible for a booster if the fda and cdc green light that roll out. and robert durst contracted covid-19 only days after being sentenced to life in prison for killing his best friend 21 year ago. durst has been hospitalized and placed on a ventilator. and then there are 17 u.s. kidnapped missionaries in haiti. the kidnappers are believed to be the gang also blamed for kidnapping five priests and two nuns earlier this year. now back to reverend al sharpton. >> thank you, richard. for this week's "rise up," i wanted to bring attention to one of the foundational under
pinnings of our system of justice, the right to an attorney. access so important that the founding fathers inshrined it in the bill of rights. while we often focus on the first amendment, the first ten will pass together because the founders understand their urgency. the 6th amendment reads in part, the accused shall enjoy the right to have the assistance of counsel for his defense, but even with that clear instruction in our founding document, it was not until 1963 that the supreme court recognized that attorneys must be provided for defendants if they could not afford to hire their own. today, according to estimates from the american bar association, the majority of defendants cannot afford the services of a lawyer, indeed the ava estimates that between 60
and 90% of criminal defendants need public defenders, and all over the country those public defenders are over worked and underfunded. there's no up-to-date national government database of public defenders. each state has its own standards. pennsylvania, for instance, is the only state that leaves 100% of public defender funding to each county, meaning the quality of defense can vary widely based on the location. maine, on the other hand, has the distinction of being the only state that does not employ public defenders at all. instead, contracting with private attorneys on a case by case basis.
this piecemeal approach has public defenders at a breaking point and their clients facing a miscarage of justice. a louisiana public defender sounded the alarm six years ago, noting people of color were being harmed by the failure of the funding of the 6th amendment nationwide, and her cry went mostly under heard. what can we do about it? as much as i would like to give with states that have unique challenges, my show is only one hour long, so it will require homework. the contact information is only an internet search away. you should also get to know your state and local legislators and ask them what they are doing to
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a new study out reveals that black patients receive fewer medical follow-ups from covid-19-related illness, and are 50% more likely to be readmitted to the hospital after being released. couple this with the fact that people of color have already been disproportionately impacted by the virus and the pattern of racial neglect. it's devastating to me to think
about, while so many americans obtain a booster shot, many communities of color remain unvaxxed, skeptical and afraid. so what now? with me to discuss this is the co founders of the news to the for anti-racism in medicine. dr. james, i want to start with you. this study published by the university of michigan on tuesday found when tracking over 2,000 covid patients' journeys in the state of michigan, not only were black patients likely to be rehospitalized but took them 36 days to recover enough to return back to work, the longest delay out of all the racial groups. we already know black americans have taken a disproportional hit
financially, and twice as likely to die from covid in 2020 compared to white patients. >> you know, i think the thing is, people have to understand when you talk about racism, it's easy to go to the inner personal racism, the racisms that could be in providers, changes in treatment plans. this is well documented, not believing the pain in women of color in the same way. but that's only one piece of it. to really understand we have to zoom out and understand historically black american communities have been set up to have worst outcomes, and in the case of black folks after 400 years of slavery, jim crow, all that has shaped the landscape of
how black folks and their outcomes are scene. this is large-scale policy and law, and not just the racism that happens between people leading to this. >> i don't think people realize if you are dealing with cities and towns that have health deserts, health care deserts, no hospitals or medical facilities, all of this comes down to an already clear racial gap in how health is dealt with this our community. dr. jackson, i recently got my pfizer booster shot and flu shot at the hospital in new york city. since the beginning of the pandemic, i have worked to help black americans trust the science and get vaccinated, so we can protect our community and loved ones. so many things have been done to
encourage our brothers and sisters to get vaccinated. the numbers don't lie, the vaccine saves lives but why are so many black people still holding out on getting it? >> reverend sharpton, i am thrilled you got your booster shot, and we are in a situation where the ask of black people has really changed. it has gone to a world where they can't trust their doctor, and in many ways it still exists, even though we passed the worst part of the pandemic, and now to say trust, listen to the doctors and science, and when doing so in the past has led to harm for black communities. we have to recognize that we have a change in the game. we are asking them to trust a system that has not served them to now and has harmed them
badly. for me and my sister, we are scientists and doctors, and we have the privilege of understanding the research and we can say in good faith to our people, yes, please take this vaccine, but we are up against history. >> and there were black women doctors that were part of doing the vaccine, creating the vaccine, which is one of the reasons when i was initially hesitant and i started to talking to those doctors, and i had one of them on the show, and they were a lot of comfort to me saying we were part of making this vaccine. and in california, communities of color had the highest rates of covid-19 infections. according to "the los angeles times" in a press release, it confirmed there's a staggering infection rate from august to september, it was approximately
590 to 100,000 people with black residents in particular having the highest rate of hospitalizations. now l.a. county announced that starting late next month, vaccine mandates will be issued in order to enter indoor spaces like bars, nightclubs and gyms. will this work to help encourage communities of color to get vaxxed? >> well, you know, the data is clear. the mandate will increase vaccine numbers. i think the other interesting question, though, to think about, is what would be the cost of that. you know, i think it will definitely, of course, it will save lives through the pandemic, but on the back end of this we have to look at what happens to communities when things are forced on them? what happens to the trust that was already so thin, you know? i understand the mandate, and of course i support as many people getting vaccinated, and we have to think outside the box, but as
a physician and somebody who talks to our community so regularly, i see the impacts on their trust. that's something we have to think about. i do believe it will increase the numbers. >> dr. jackson, the discrimination caused so many black and brown americans to cause disenfranchised and neglected by health care and medical industries. how are you and dr. james fighting the status quo and advocating for patients of colors and their health? >> thank you for asking that, reverend. it's something we do think about every day, and we took an oath to heal, and that's not just handing out medications, and it's all the things to help people be healthy, and racism is one of them. we are handing out packets for
those that want to learn and do better, but we need to tell the truth, racism is a cause of poor health for our patients. >> what else can be done for people that get vaccinations. we have a lot of health care deserts, a lot of our communities, black communities around the country don't have hospitals or health facilities near them and they have to drive in many cases that raises other issues. what needs to be done to help get our communities vaccinated? the numbers have gone up but it's not where we need it to be. dr. jackson, and doctor -- you can start, dr. jackson. >> i looked at her because we have a lot of thoughts about this. it's a time when we need to refer them to folks who have
experience, not just black physicians or nurses, but black people, if you sit and listen to them, they will tell you about the pains, and what stops them from doing the activity that brings them health, and then we have to act on that. it starts with valuing the people who are living through this. >> go ahead. >> yeah, i would just add, you know, when we talk about, you know, access, health deserts and the fact that it's so hard for people to get into a regular primary care doctor, and beyond that, food access, food security is health, and climate activism is health, transportation, all those things that allow help. >> i think it's important, and i think that's why it's important
that people that fight for those things are now also the ones advocating to go out and get tested and get vaccinated, the national conference of black churches with reverend dr. franklin richardson that fights against the health deserts, and i'm working with both groups because the same people that fight for you, the voting rights and police brutality, are the ones fighting for you to save yourself. get vaxxed. thank you both for being on. coming up, the fight for reparations has spanned decades, and now some cities are taking matters into their own hands. that's next. stick with us.
requirement that students be taught the, quote, the history of white supremacy, including but not limited to the institution of slavery and the ku klux klan. to teach our children anything else is to rob them of their heritage and truth, and they deserve better. we wanted to tell you about developments regarding a topic we cover often here on "politics nation." a resolution was signed this week showing support for federal regulation that would have reparations. it says practices at the federal state and local levels effectively kept enslaved people
at an economic disadvantage, and that the federal bill would start the process of addressing those inequities. end of quote. joining me now is louisville mayor, greg fisher. congress has been trying to pass reparations legislation since about 1989, but this year was the first time it made it out of committee. what made you in the louisville council decide to put your support behind the house legislation and do you think it has a chance of passing? >> this bill is long past due in terms of being studied by the congress. that's all we are talking about here, is putting a commission together to study the harm that enslaving people done to african-americans, descendants of slaves, and nobody can argue about the fact that the early
wealth of this country was built on the enslaved people. the very least we should be able to do is take a step back and look at our history and say how could we move forward from here? to get 60 votes in the senate would be tough, but there are no reasons why cities across america should paos push their senators to look into this, and it will lift our entire country up. >> you know, i never understood why reparations was controversial when it comes to blacks or descendants of slaves. we did it for others that did not build a country. i guess i do know why. but california is the first state in the country to create a
task force to study past and present even justices, such as the current pipeline, and why sign on to a federal bill instead of taking action at the local level? >> well, the resources required to get this done can only be done at the federal level, and this is something that has to be done all over the country. you don't want people moving to this city or state -- cities and state governments their budgets should be in the business of building equity whether it be housing, education, health care, and that's what we do day in and day out. for this reparations topic, at the very minimum they will build case studies and models for us, and it will center the consciousness of americans on
something that needs to be done. it's past due. >> you also wrote a resolution in support of the house reparations bill, and one of your first acts as president -- why has this been a top priority of yours? how receptive were other mayors across the country when you do this? >> i have been mayor about 2 1/2 years right now, and it's just obviously to me that poverty is at the root of so many of the problems in our country. should not take a phd to figure that out. you take a level of disparity in america, income and wealth, and you put that together and most americans see the number of guns on our streets, and why is america such a outlier in gun crimes? that's just one example of why this issue needs to be addressed. i can tell you most mayors are
in the business of justice and in the business of fixing things that are wrong. america is happy to invest in problems after they take place, and we want to be proactive and invest in people and that's the best resource we have, and investing on black people that have been on the wrong side of so much of the policy, whether it's state, local, federal policy in our country, and it's past time to do that, and i am happy to say when i was the president of the u.s. conference of mayors last year, it was widely accepted by the countries across the country. we're closest to the opportunities and challenges and we understand this is a issue that needs to be addressed. >> let me ask you this while i have you, and you know we have had our issues around police reform and police accountability all over the country. you and i talked during the
breonna taylor issue there, and we talked about the federal reform, the george floyd justice and policing act, and the voting rights act, and both of whom who are being held up by the senator from your state, mitch mcconnell. put on your political hat. what leverage in kentucky will mcconnell have to be leveraged to stop blocking the allowance of the vote in the u.s. senate on the george floyd bill and or the voting rights bill? what leverage do people in kentucky have on senator mcconnell, if any? >> well, i think, reverend, sooner or later people will get to the conclusion this needs to be done, either from a moral standpoint or economic standpoint or public safety standpoint. the last thing you can do on things like this is let off the
pedal. when you talk about police reform, the smartest thing in the world to do right now would be to lean in to police accountability, and good police officers want that. it's the only way to get trust and legitimacy with police officers in our communities, which leads to safer cities and a safer country. let's not go further to the edge. we are already close to it already, and let's bring it back and keep pressure on. people understand, there's broad support for accountability and improvement in our police departments and all our good police officers want it as well. just another topic where we need to keep the pressure on. >> thank you for being with us. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. ♪ ♪
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i thought about carl had been arrested for sitting in the front of the bus. no one knew her name like rosa packs or attorney murray who fought many legendary cases like many civil rights lawyers. i decided since i had these platforms and had become high profile, i wanted to write a book about righteous trouble makers, people that marched, some spent nights in dale and some even died, and knew they would never be on television, never have their name in the newspaper, but they went anyhow. they were the ones that made movements work, made this country sit around, whether women's rights, lgbtq americans, asian-americans, latinx. i wrote a book about some no one
knew, some partially known, some i didn't know at all and researched, some i marched with and knew their story needed to be told. i want you to pre order and get "righteous trouble makers." you can go to amazon, barnes & noble.com, national action network.net. it's ordinary people like you and me that had to do extraordinary things. we'll be right back. coming up tonight, actor and activist queue mail nanjiani. there's finally a south asian superhero. we'll also talk racism, immigration and diversity in hollywood. join us tonight from 8:00 p.m. eastern. tonight on 9:00 on ayman, who will control control for the next ten years? it could come down to the supreme court. i'll talk with my sunday night
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that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next weekend at 5:00 p.m. eastern. before we go, i want to send my congratulations to the chicago sky who moments ago won their first ever wnba championship. they beat the phoenix mercury by a score of 80-74 in game four of the wnba finals. congratulations. up next maria teresa kumar picks up our news coverage. >> something folks may not know, i played basketball for seven years, so i am a big fan of the wna. congratulations, ladies. thank you, reverend. 000 are you? >> i'm great. thank you. take us to the news. >> hello everyone. i'm maria teresa kumar in this sunday for alicia