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herself and her family. a school board member standing up telling the world enough. she is with us to say it again. >> from boosters for adults and the possibility of vaccines for kids, the first pediatrician elected to congress. she will talk to us about it all. that is here on american voices. all right. tonight, we are going to start with january 6, we begin this hour with new signs. the trump's hold on the gop remains strong. despite being impeached twice in just one term, we are going to talk about it all. for prove, look no further than the virginia governor's race in matchup between youngcincinnati
and mccalloff. what tight rope is trump forcing youngkin to walk? rally goers pledge allegiance to a flag said to be flown at the capitol on january 6. youngkin called the move weird and wrong. in texas, trump's hold on the party is on full display. the state's extreme abortion ban and election laws and now putting texas teachers in a weird place. school districts like that of south lake texas debating a new law requiring that they teach opposing views includes include historic events like the
holocaust. and opponents all in the name of fraud that doesn't exist. trump challenged republicans not to vote in 2022 or 2024 if the party doesn't look into lies about the election. this week, trump's escalation that they are tying to a threat of electing democrats. the message to republicans if they don't loudly pretend that he won the last election, mr. trump will make sure the gop loses the next one too. as for account ilkt, trump world not playing ball. steve bannon defying a subpoena investigating the january 6 attack. the committee will hold a contempt vote tuesday if approved it heads to the full house and the doj. what president biden said about the tug of war. >> what is your message of
people that defy congressional subpoenas? >> i hope the committee goes after them and holds them accountable. >> and that they are prosecuted? >> i do. >> the doj will make its own decisions period, full stop. >> offering this hour, politico national correspondent, fbi assistant director and former water gait prosecutor, cohost of the hashtag sisters in-law podcast. do you see political or legal strategy? is. >> i see obstruction of justice. i see crime. we've long since pasted the time we can allow witnesses to ignore subpoenas.
you said, use it or lose it and it is true. they cannot exercise right of oversight we need knew laws and the only way to do that is for congress to have all the information requested. in the letters so far, it lays out very good cause. whether he's doing this to be a marter or for a strategy, we know the law doesn't allow him to fail to show up for his deposition. he has to come in. if he wants to claim the fifth amendment, he can do it in the room. he can't do it by not coming
because i have executive privilege because the ex precedent says i have it. >> i am pleased that they are pursuing the criminal avenue to just ignore the lawful authority of congress, the oversight authority of congress and to ignore a subpoena is just totally unacceptable. i know that this commission will use every tool within its authority to get to the bottom of what happened on january 6. we are not letting it go. cooperate now or later. >> what message is the january 6 committee sending to hold others
accountable? >> they are moving quickly. almost immediately sent a signal and what is really important about this moment is that if the justice department does decide to prosecute him, it will represent a sea change in terms of the power of subpoenas. that is a big deal for january 6 but it is even bigger than that. it will signal not only january 6 but others in the future who are on the receiving end of congress's invest gative work that if they try to defy those, they face embarrassment and bad press, they could face
embarrassment and time in prison. in that statement from doj came out, it is important. pumping the brakes and saying, based on what we know we need to do. based on the law and the facts, it would certainly be a surprise if the justice department chose not to prosecute him. >> so many of us want this to be in our rearview and yet it is all in front of us in a private speech, trump cast himself as the gop savior. failing to mention the party lost the white house. writing he reiterated the claims
the 2020 vote was tainted by fraud new states giving more control over votes and voter fraud. you have all that and you also have in virginia people getting together for a rally for a republican candidate for governor and suggesting that they can pledge allegiance to a flag they claim was at january 6 insurrection. what picture does that paint for you? >> if you are pledging allegiance to that flag for that reason, you are not a loyalist to our country or democracy but
to a move that pushes to undermine and if president trump continues to have this strangle hold and demand relationship with the states and the republican party he stands for undermining the election implying, i'm going to tell people not even to vote in the midterm elections. so he's got them by the collar. i want to go back to it because it is all related to the january 6 committee as well we either have free equal branches of the government or we do not. >> you will see trump make martyrs or heroes at those who thumb their nose.
they've threatened to go to the doj and thumb this out. they don't want a future where they can be confused but i have to tell you, this is a long game now. this is not going to happen or get resolved overnight. everybody including people like kash patel are watching it out. i further ask we have contempt, they lay hands on bannon. >> i would like to see this pan out. seeing that much more quickly than we are siege now.
in the watergate era. the trial tapes was issued on the 16th. argued in the supreme court on july 8 and they decided on july 24. that's only weeks. there is no reason why a criminal contempt can't be done quickly. a grand jury can be presented in one day as soon as they get it. they do have to individually weigh whether this is a right case of criminal contempt. it is hard to think of a better case where someone is saying, i'm going to ignore you. that is a defiance of a subpoena and does deserve some kind of a treatment. not just in this particular case, you have all kinds of issues and oversight because we have witnesses from homeland
security that could not come in or be ordered to come in. in this case, what has to be done. action has to be taken. >> i'll ask you how the strong pov squares with the reporting you are getting out of the doj. >> they've made very clear they are going to make the decisions themselves. he's been there for years, channing phillips. one of those has been isolating the doj and bris oling the commentary clearly they were frustrated with the comment made that his case is pretty simple. an important crucial moment on a
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a new extreme in the already heated culture wars playing out inside american classrooms. teachers in southlake, texas asked about teaching opposing views of the holocaust. asking teachers to pair books about the holocaust with other, quote, perspectives. the doj discusses a despicable surge of threats. one florida school member has had it making waves for calling out harassment she has faced for supporting science. >> i don't reject people coming here and speaking their voice all the time. i don't reject them standing outside my home. i reject them following me around in my car and saying that they are coming for me and i need to beg for mercy. i reject that when they are using their first amendment
rights on public policy, they are going behind my home and bran dishing weapons to my neighbors. i have to take a dcf investigator to her play date and check for burn marks. that's what i'm against, which is a credible threat. >> jennifer, thank you for being with us. what was the moment you were like, enough, i can't stand by and let these people to continue to harass me, i have to say something? >> i decided on that school board meeting where i spoke out in that video that went viral. not on my own free will. i felt backed into a corner. my fellow board members proposed
a motion to denounce the biden association asking federal law to get involved in terrorism and threats. i felt the need to explain why a resolution on paper out of context that many assume i should be supporting, i couldn't support. >> i too am a mom. i have a daughter who is also about five years old. your daughter just entering kindergarden. i know what this harassment has meant for you. what has it meant for her? >> she's not really impacted by it tremendously. at least i don't think so. there was a moment she went outside and followed me as i was greeting the last protester outside of my home. i've been instructed to go outside and film them and document who is there and why
they are there. when she came outside. she asked to do some chalk and bubbles. i decided i'm not going to tell my kid we have to go inside because some people think it is okay to intimidate me. we sat outside with music and did some chalk and bubbles and she asked me, why are you still being so nice to these people. it was an amazing teaching moment. you just have to show them kindness. at least twice a week, she will tell me or ask me, mommy are those mean people still outside? she doesn't seem impacted by it but it absolutely impacts me as a mother. >> this has been a moving target. in april, there were people outside of your home because of provisions for lbgtq students. now it is over covid mandates.
what does it tell you about the contours of the debate keep shifting? is. >> i'll try my best to answer as quickly as possible. i have a lot of opinions. it is frustrating for me. i'm a young, strong, intelligence female. i do question sometimes if the same thing would be happening towards a male or somebody are registered to a different party. and making it very clear their disdain for me as a person are the narrative they are going to carry through the county, the state and now across the nation. they claim to be an organization of parents who are coming to the table with solutions to problems. i argue that they are an organization that look for problems, create problems and they are just going to terrorize and harass people and disrupt
business until things move in a direction that they are comfortable and they align these things. >> i know this spring is no comfort and they are watching what you you are going through across the country. cases in school boards where people are volunteers and people just want to be of service. do you feel you have learned lessons throughout this process that are applicable to other members of the school board and across the country? >> absolutely. the school board where i am has just as many constituents and voters. school boards are different across the nation. it is very political and heated. i haven't heard from anybody personally experiencing what i was experiencing until this video went viral and i had the opportunity to be on tv.
i've had thousands of e-mails and messages and phone calls from people across the country and quite a few are serving now feeling the same amount of stress and harassment. it brings me some peace to know that i'm not alone. >> it is absolutely terrifying. thank you so much for your time. next, kids, vaccines and advise for parents who don't know what to do when children are eligible. the first pediatrician elected to congress joins us next. and what is working to overcome barriers. stay with us. stay with us the first full prescription strength gel for powerful arthritis pain relief... voltaren the joy of movement (burke) i've seen this movie before. (woman) you have? (burke) sure, this is the part where all is lost and the hero searches for hope.
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million children between the ages of 5 to 11. you are a pediatrician. how quickly do we move with those numbers? >> this is so important and so many parents are anxious to have their children vaccinated. it was pretty predictable with the start of the school year and the delta variant and many schools deciding not to have mask mandates that we would see an explosion in cases among children and we did. whatever we had an explosion of cases among children, we get more cases in the community. so vaccinating our kids is important. >> i have a four-year-old, soon to be five-year-old. she'll soon be eligible. a hot topic asking others when it comes out, will you get it.
if you look back at the rollout for adults if there are lessons that can be learned to the rollout for children? >> i suspect we'll see something similar to what we saw with adults. at the beginning, it was a mad rush to get vaccinated. the people who wanted it, they could not get it soon enough. we'll see that again. then we'll have the parents who are a little lukewarm and need to have a discussion with their pediatricians and they are getting ready for that. just for the record, i have a 13-year-old. as soon as the vaccine was available for him, we got him vaccinated. there was no question in my mind that this was the right thing to do. looking to a mom and pediatrician for my advice. >> i appreciate we have you on
the record. i also want to ask you about booster shots. the key committee voted unanimously to recommend the johnson&johnson booster shots. saying they may also benefit from moderna or pfizer boosters as well. your take on mixing and matching vaccines for boosters? >> it is hard to give a take when we don't have a ton of data. at this point, the j&j will need a booster. that's no surprise. i was thinking are there any vaccines we give to children that don't feed a booster. it will be hard to make a recommendation. i'll leave that to the expert panel. >> you have been a big proponent of rapid tests.
you've asked for an executive order? something we keep circling back to which is how do we make access to those tests equitable? >> my goodness. so many things to unpack there. i would like all of your viewers to imagine, if the school year had started and we had access to a test we could do at home. you stick a q tip in your nose and 15 minutes later, you know if you are positive or negative and if so, you keep your child at home. just imagine has that would have impacted. that's what rapid testing could do. i took a test this morning because i was planning on seeing my elderly parents today. >> it has brought so much
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of good stock consulting and associate professor at the university of virginia. i want to get your take first on how much these new mandates could change the game when it comes to getting this pandemic under control. >> i think mandates will work. one in part, particularly when we think about the most vulnerable populations and communities that don't have health care within the communities namely black and brown communities. if corporations are now going to be responsible saying if your employees are not vaccinated it would be amazing to see how money drives and we are going to see more and more people be able to have availability. it is not just vaccine hes dense and denying that we have to face. >> the secretary of health and
human services about the need to actually go door to door in cases and reach people. we've seen an up tick among black americans and latino americans. there is still a gap that has to be closed. your sense of having to close that gap understanding that to your point, some of this is about access and information and disinformation and some is very long seeded distrust of the government. >> right. in order for us to reach and bridge that gap, with he have to have frank honest conversation and say, yes, there is not only historical injustices, we still have flint, michigan dirty water. we have another city in michigan with led-filled water. these are things that happen in black and brown communities we haven't had the opportunity to adjust and have a conversation.
how do we repair the relationship. with this vaccine, one of the things we need to do is make sure we have leaders within the community that are trusted and to talk through this. whether that is a physician or pastor or football coach. whoever has gained that trust is who needs to be the messenger in this moment. >> we've talked about but bares repeating. so often, we are talking young people and underserved communities. they may not have a primary care provider. if your primary care is the best messenger but you do not have access, who does it fall to? >> right. in that case, its one of those things too. when we talk about the most vulnerable population, millions have been left homeless and are living couch to couch or in a shelter.
a large bulk of those are children unfortunately. we have to get into the schools and make sure we are placing those vaccines in those areas. talking about the schools too, we know we cannot have a one-way approach. it can't be vaccines only. looking at schools, have we do done anything to change the structure of schools when we know literally the office of accountability said 40% of the school district need to update or replace ventilation system totally. did that happen? we are talking about we need to improve ventilation within schools. we know black and brown communities are usually schools without a window. we know one in every four black children in the ninth grade are in a classroom where 40 students are in that classroom.
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>> it is part biographical and tactical. finding your north star to guide your decisions. what is the lesson there from harris is this. >> i think it's not just about having a defined quote that you aspire to, but from that building a screening criteria of, is this worth my time and my energy to pursue? is this in service of a much larger goal or is it a distraction? and then if i am going to do it how do i do it with every effort and make it a success? and so it is one thing to have a north star or a guiding quote or principles and values that drive you, but this book also helps you come up with a plan and the screening criteria to make sure you stay focused on what that north star is. >> ms. palepu, thank you for spending time with us. we're speaking, the life lessons of kamala harris out this tuesday. closing the pay gap for
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for black women native american women's equal payday, september 8th, all those dates determined by the approximate day each group must work into the new year to make what white non-hispanic men made at the end of the previous year and the final equal pay day to be observed. thursday, october 21st is national latina equal payday. you may see numbers that celebrate a closing pay gap from latinas, numbers that fail to tell the complete truth. how wide the pay gab has been, especially over the course of this pandemic. latest data finds latinas are paid on average of 57 cents to every dollar a white non-hispanic male workering makes, up by two cents from last year but do not let those two pennies fool you, monica ramirez lays out in on ep ed for
latina.com, this latest data fails to account for the more than $5.5 million women workers forced out of the labor market in 2020. one million of those women were latinas. overall, the lowest paid workers made up the majority of laborers were pushed out of the market and because these women were not working, there was no workforce data to represent them in the recent pay gab calculations. so, as ramirez points out, the result showing latina pay gap shrinking by two cents was a calculation based on the earnings of mostly higher paid workers. i don't know if you want my two cents or not, the reality is this, it takes latinas almost 22 months to catch up to what white non-hispanic men are paid in half the time or as the national women's law center calculates it would take latinas more than 400 years to earn what a white male earns in a normal four-year
career. fresh off the complicated fiesta that is hispanic heritage month latina equal payday is sitting out there like a reminder of how much work there is to do. catch american voices starting tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern. we'll have a guest host. but for now i hand it over to my colleague ayman mohyeldin. >> thank you for talking about inequality. not only when we talk about the gender inequality in wages, but also in terms of the economic recovery coming out of this pandemic. you see that inequality across all kinds of racial and end gender lines as well. >> we were warned it would be an uneven recovery and we're watching it bear out right now. thank you to everyone at home watching and for tuning in, good evening to you and welcome to ayman. tonight economic anxiety is sweeping the country, everything from supply chains, worker