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the cross connection live from miami. it starts right now. ♪♪ good morning, everyone. i'm tiffany cross. we are live from miami, florida this morning for a very special edition of the cross connection. now, congress returns next week to fall or ball on a bug that will directly impact all of our lives as they try to fix together a slimmed down social spending package by the end of the month and work out a deal to raise the debt ceiling again by december and avoiding an economic disaster. meanwhile, the january 6th committee is scheduled to vote next weekend to recommend criminal contempt charges against former trump adviser steve bannon for defying a congressional subpoena. for our democracy tested like never before and the many
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policies that drove people of color to the polls either dead or in the balance, the rising majority will have a keen high on what congress will get done as we look at a quickly approaching mid-term cycle, that, my friends, is a part of the reason why we're here in the purple fact state of florida. hispanic heritage month says if culturely ethnically geographically and ideology diverse, not only harnesss $2 trillion in buying power, also the numbers to drive how this democracy functions. now, you guys know, we don't need a designated month on this show. the center vices of the rising majority. we're not new to this. we're true to this. but for those that have fellow curiosity of our countrymen, we have a lot to cover. you don't want to miss a minute of it. let's kick it off with latinas. they understood the assignment at the ballot box and the boardroom.
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you may have hearse the phrase the future is latina, joining me now is a familiar thing, journalist marianna is on set with me, marianna atencio, we have a fellow latino and msnbc the fabulous maria kumar and our friends at c nbc reporter bertha coombs is joining us as well. i'm so happy to have you ladies. i'm so happy are you on set with me. >> from miami, florida. >> you look amazing. i think have you such a unique story, i think when we talk about the lived experience of the latino community in this country, it's down trodden. it's sad, it centers on immigration. that's not the complete lived experience. you have an amazing story here. what's the best part? >> we are vibrant. we are colorful as you said. that is what i want us to focus on is the continue bewks of our community in this country. i left my home country of
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venezuela after it crumbled after a 20-year oppressive regime. when you lose everything, you have to leave your family behind, your livelihood, starting from scratch here in america, it was a latino community that opened its arms wide and welcomed me here now i feel i have the responsibility of giving back to this community that welcomed me. >> before we move on, i want to play for our audience, you just became a citizen not that long ago, i want to play for our audience, you were signing the pledge of allegiance, we'll take a look. >> one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> when you watch that. >> always, always tears me up, because it took me 12 years and after going through five different visas and feeling like i didn't belong anywhere, that moment felt like the end of a marathon, like i was home. and when you become a citizen,
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tiffany, you get a let procedure the president, himself. >> wow. >> and mine read, dear fellow american, no matter where you come from, now you share the sacred rights, duties and responsibilities that unite us as one people. and when i read that, i'm like, this isn't new to me. this is the essence of being latin x in america. >> excellent. maria, you and i have shared the screen many times and i remember you really speaking about power of the latino voting block. i think it's interesting, 70% of latinos are u.s.-born and account for over half the nation's population growth in the last decade. that is a hugely powerful voting block. now i do want to point out, the la the no voters eclipsed black voters, not necessarily in terms of registered voters. what do you think it will take to get more latino voters to increase their already increasing voting power? >> first of all, watching that clip of naturalization for
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marianna brings me chills. i was naturalized at 9-years-old. i still remember that moment, yes, now the opportunity of america is before me. so, marianna, welcome to the citizenship. and here's the challenge is that what folks don't realize is that latinos, we are a young, young community, while the majority of america, white americans are 58-years-old, the majority of latinos, they cluster at 11-years-old. so the voter registration gap is very much on the young end of the spectrum. every 30 seconds, a latino youth becomes eligible to vote in this country. i'll give a brief example. if georgia, plooil while latinos are 4% of the base, they represent 16% of the classroom, the only state where you don't have a larger young latino population that eclipse latino older voters is the state you are in right now. it's florida.
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every other state you have a rising in latino youth. that's why when you talk about the freedom to vote act, why that would be so important. it creates a national voter registration day. it allows people to be a part of the system immediately. i love what i do, tiffany, we register voters at scale. we register them at the margins. this should be a government function. the moment you turn 18-years-old, the moment you should be automatically registered to vote. then the parties can compete for your vote. the polarization about access to the voting booth, very much lies about demographic lies. the next presidential, will you have 12 million more youth voters, two-thirds are kids of color. we have to make sure this new generation, multi-cultural generation of americans have equal access to the voting booth so they can drive the 21st century into what america's values really are. >> maria, i think you raised such a good point about the parties competing for tr vote.
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so many times we've seen this landscape. you know, people talking about how they can appeal to red state voters and not necessarily censoring people of clompl so i i. so i think that's a legitimate point. that stat floored me 400 businesses are started every day by latino women. even our panelist started a business during the pandemic. that's a very impressive number. i am curious how that number has been impacted by the pandemic and what that means to the economics of this country at large? >> you know, when you take a look at businesses and not just people who start a side hustle like marianna and so many people, but people who are actualically conducting their business as their main source of income, latinas really were heavily impacted. a majority of them are in service businesses. they're in restaurants, they're in nail salons and things that all had to close during the
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pandemic. so they were very much affected. but that i have started to bounce back and there are some studies, the one study out of usc that says latino businesses overall, latin x businesses overall have actually regained their footing and are back to making money to pre-pandemic levels at a faster rate than non-latino businesses. they are the engine of growth right now. latinos are twice as like will toy start a business, oftentimes because they don't have, we don't have the same kind of access. you know, there are a lot of us who have gone to college. my family came when i was little. i was a citizen at 9. we came from cuba. my dad had a business. it didn't do well. we had trouble sometimes being able to get that next contract, being able to get to that next level and part of the reason is that latino businesses and for latinaings, especially, it's real hard to access that capital. so when they are doing their own businesses, they're putting a
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lot more on the line and don't necessarily get a loan from the bang. they save more. they tap into their personal lines of credit. so they're taking a lot more risks to really grow their businesses. >> i want to stick with you for a second, bertha, because next thursday as you know october 21st is latina equal pay day. the disparity in payment among latina women and white men continues to be a challenge. latinas earn 57 cents on every dollar earn by white men. how do we address this disparity? all women of color deal with this, how do we address this? >> reporter: i think one of the things that is going to be a game changer coming out of the pandemic is the fact that we are now in a labor market in the sense that everyone is having trouble finding enough workers and they have to pay more for workers. so this is a time when workers can really ask for more. so whether it is, you know,
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making, asking if you got loans, look for a job, there are more jobs now that are offering the ability to help pay off their loans or offering the ability to give you access to college, even, you know, hourly jobs at target and walmart. they are offering that access for free. those are some of the things to take advantage of and, as you know, maria noted, the majority of latinos are younger. so we're talking kids who were born here, they don't have the language problems as much. so they are coming up and they're coming up into the system and getting education and getting ahead. so they have that ability to do that. when you talk about those of us who are older, lot of folks work in service jobs or they work for example in healthcare. they're working as home attendants. you don't get paid as much as you do to be a nurse practitioner, which requires more education? right. >> so that's where the gap is going to start getting made up.
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>> marianna, teresa, i want to ask you guys a question because i think about my experience as a black woman and somebody from lagos, nigeria, has a different experience from part au prince haiti, a different experience from someone from atlanta, georgia. in the la the i na community it's a big umbrella. everyone is culturally diverse. in your particular voter outreach, how do you cast that wide of a net to encompass the entire community? marianna, i will get your take on this as well. >> tiffany, first of all, the wonderful thing of the latino community is we became latino in america. i'm chilean. it's very much an american construct. >> right. >> however, the past is really where did you grow up in the united states? i the kel you that i grew up in northern california where it was very much anti-immigrant
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california and a caustic time to grow up in. it's a different experience tan my cousins that grew up from miami, florida. the polarization is very much where you grow up. if you are growing up right now in georgia, in texas, in arizona, where you are constantly being racially profiled for simply being brown, that will have a different impact politically than in you grew up in miami the moment you walk down the street, you can carry your parent's flag of being cuban-american, being colombian-american. that is where i believe the nuance really needs to understand, people need to understand the difference is that, yes, your family roots can be from different places. you can have conversations with colombians and puerto ricans about who has the best maho ngo. that's a food. but if you are growing up in caustic southern state being latino, are you politicized. >> right. >> that is why they are -- so many get together with the african-american vote, the youth
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vote, we're unstoppable. that changed the demographic map of who participated in this last election. that's what we have to equally fight for. >> yeah. marianna, you know how this goes. they're yelling in my ear we're out of time. i want you to quickly address what she said about the diverse community. the latina community. >> the essence is our story are the american story. there the this feeling on the ground now especially with latinos, we are proudly multi-ethnic, multi-passionate. that is the essence of what it means to be american. >> wonderful. this is such an amazing panel. thank you so much. lovely to see your faces this morning. thank you, ladies for joining us. and you can see maria teresa kumar guest hosting this evening on msnbc tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern. be sure to check mtk. it's amazing.
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. we hope that leiutenant jones sees the importance of moving ahead with this indictment, moving ahead with locking steve bannon up, moving ahead with clearing the air. if you can't conduct an insurrection on the government of the united states of america and nothing happens. >> all right. you see there, congressman benny thompson talking to my pal joy reed. the january 6th committee is seeing in the words of naws, you can hate me now, but i won't stop now. i spoke with former house impeachment manager val demings about this and her run for senate, which could be a litmus test to reach latino voters right here in florida. >> congresswoman demings, welcome to the cross connection. >> george it's good to be with you. >> likewise. i want to get into the january 6th commission. steve bannon flipped it off, i
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think when you send that message by not acknowledging a congressional subpoena. not only does it recognize congress as a co-equal branch of government or an institution to be respected. what should the commission do to enforce suspense and bring accountability? >> as you know, i spent 17 years in law enforcement. what i knew then and what i know now is no one is above the law. and unfortunately, what steve bannon is doing does not surprise me because we've seen this before we saw it during four years in the impeachment inquiries, long before we got to the impeachment, itself, the impeachment trial. but i believe the commission andened under the capable leadership of benny thompson, we'll use every tool necessary. and i am pleased that they are
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pursuing the criminal avenue to just ignore the lawful authority of congress. the oversight authority of congress and to ignore a subpoena is just totally unacceptable. so i know that this commission will use every tool within its authority to get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th. we are not letting it go. so cooperate now or cooperate later. >> well, we'll see what happens. we're here in florida. a lot of people think this is central to trump's operation and i think the fear that a lot of americans have is will this group accept any election outcome they don't like? you are running for u.s. senate. mid-terms are next year. what do you say to folks who are concerned about that? >> well, people have a right to be concerned. you know we live in the greatest country in the world. i really do believe that to be true. even with all of our complicated
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history. we live in the greatest history in the world because of our democracy. we have a government of the people, by the people, for the people the people rule and we live in a country where the people choose their representatives or their president not the president or the president choosing their voters. so our democracy is what allows us to have a free and fair election. i do believe my colleagues on the other side of the aisle and others keeping the big lie going. i do believe they know better. but it is just a game to maintain power or get it back. the american people cannot allow that to happen. they cast their vote. the people have decided. look, i've lost an election, mile, not once did i decide to deny the results or go down and storm the capitol. my person didn't win in 2016. i accepted the will of the
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people. and so i want people to be upset about what's happening, get involved. and go to the polls and cast their votes. >> well, you say they know better. my grandmother will say, when people know better, they do better. we have fought seen them do better just yet. here in florida, latino voters make up 18%, black voters make up 14%. in many ways your vote will be a litmus test. with the birth, geographically, 8th nickally. how are you planning to cast a wide net to reach out to these voters? >> tiffany, i will cast the same wide net i cast as a 27 year law enforcement officer. i wasn't afraid. i have never been afraid to talk to people who did not look like me. or people who may not think like me or people who didn't agree with me. i dedicated my life to public
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service. i'm going to do what i've done as a police chief. i am going to go into every community and talk to people about things that matter to them. not trying to push my agenda. because as an elected official, it is not about me. it is about the people that i serve. and we know that we have a very diverse, very actively involved hispanic community in florida. we have puerto ricans, cubans, colombians, venezuelans. >> and republicans. >> do pin chance. >> that's right. we have republicans, democrats. >> right? but people want to, regardless of their ethnic background, people want to know that they have someone who is looking out for tear interests. we have someone, who has their back. >> well you talk about reaching out to the constituency. there are a lot of republican voters, here in. florida, latino men shifted. i want you to take a listen to a
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gentleman we spoke with on a voter panel and he spoke about his ability to potentially be able vote democrat. take a listen. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> okay. >> so, i tend to shy away those republicans that have thrown their name, you know, blindly in supporting trump. so i would have a little bit of problem supporting him, unless, i saw him veer from that. if you will. yes, i would absolutely consider you know democratic candidate. >> okay. . >> now, i think a lot of democratic voters hear that, you wonder, will people who are running for office as democrats, will they shift and start talking about how they can win over republican voters and risk losing the democratic pa ba is? some say dance with the one who brung you, how will you strike that down? ly is g you, how will you strike that down? ly i i think it's interesting he used the terms who blindly follow trump.
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right. it goes back, tiffany to what i said, people want someone who will stand up for them, fight for them, listen to them and have their back. i am not going to just depend on the blue counties in florida to win this race. i didn't do that as a police chief. i'm going into red counties and talk about things that matter to mem. i know. >> interesting on the contrary, though, when you have republican voters, there is contrary to progressive vote sfwlers the mistake we have, we have a tendency to only focus on the differences. for example, public safety is an area that everybody caresant. right. regardless of the color of their skin how much money they have in the manage, where they live. everyr everybody wants to live in safe and secure communities and be treated with dignity and respect. i believe that public safety is the foundation on which great communities are built and whether we're talking about in
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the panhandle or central florida i now call home or here in south florida. i am talking to people about things that matter to them, keeping theorum families safe, having a bright future for their children where their children won't be the first generation that does worse than their parent's generation. i placebo people care about those things. i think focusing just on our political parties has gotten us many times in the mess that we are currently in. remember, we're the united states of america. people should care about healthcare, public education. they should care about being able to afford prescription drugs. they should care about their children's future. they should care about the housing crisis. >> all right. >> those things transcend political party. >> okay. >> those are the exact kind of issues i will walk and talk with the voters of florida. >> good luck with you. you have to come back on as we continue to watch our race. >> i look forward to it. thank you. >> thank you so much. thank you. all right. our thanks to congresswoman val
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okay. well immigration is not the singular issues that voters care about. it's a quagmire to address. the biden administration will resume donald trump remain in mexico policy which forces them to wait in mexico. next month, it resumes negligent month after a court policy reinstated. this news comes days after homeland security secretary mayorcas says they will halt i.c.e. raids and instead focus on employers. so joining me to discuss that and all more, the chairman of the professional caucus. congressman, so happy to have you here. i just talked about the administration's policy on not targeting immigrant, themselves, but employers.
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is that an effective policy solution and is this going to impact the quagmire the country is trying to deal with? >> that's an effort and using the limited resources to do after people and others, therefore, in order to protect the dignity will go to work and work faithfully. i think that making sure they go after unscrupulous individuals who are exploiting these individuals is a good way to send a message that they need to stop. here in the work in the farm and with farm workers, where i grew up, there is plenty of stories of how people have foiled the fields day if, day out with calloused hand, at the end of the day, when it's time to get
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their paycheck, the employer said, look, we don't have money for you. if you speak up, we will call i.c.e. to come in to deport you and separate you from your family. with fear they walk away defeated. they don't get their wages. so i think that bringing justice to that scenario is a good thing. >> there is still an issue in congress. there isn't yet a path to citizenship. how is the hispanic caucus going to address this? the senate parliamentarian shut down the option to include it in the reconciliation bill. what's the solution here? >> we're very disappointed on the parliamentarian's decision, nonetheless, we will continue to move forward with a pro elf that will protect millions of individuals and add the amount of work permitles we have to stabilize our labor force and our economy and to ensure families are fought separated in the united states from
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deportation. so we will continue to push. of course, the big picture here is we need ten senate republicans to help us pass the agreement. we need ten senate republicans modernization act we passed in the house of representatives. once we move forward, and the citizenship for essential workers act in the house of representatives. so if we can just get ten senate republicans to do the right thing and vote for these, we can protect our dreamers, people with pps, holders and to stabilize our labor work force and protect the farm worker, it would be a great thing to our economy and to our nation. >> well, speaking of senate republicans, i want you to listen to senator lend say graham and ridiculous comments he made about immigrants coming to this country. we'll talk about it on the other
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side. >> the policy choices of wide reason all over the world now. we had 40,000 brazilians come through the uma sector alone headed for connect wearing designer clothes and gucci bags. >> interesting the senator is focused on do you have bags. there is a fair treatment. we seen the haitian immigrant crisis reach panic levels and people with black skin are typically treated different than others. this is a big challenge. how do you explain that disparity? it's something about comprehensively getting addressed by the cdc? >> yes, first of all, we're starting to see a gross inequality in the middle of a pandemic where you are seeing a nation falling into despair, states falling into more authoritarian regimes and central america and locations.
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people are still looking at the united states as a beacon of hope and a land of opportunity and a place for violence and live a safe and secure life. we are looking at passing these comprehensive immigration reform bills. that is what we need to do. we need to help the biden administration continue to professionalize and create a humane system that respects the dignity that gives asylum seekers their day in court because it is the law in our nation to do so. and we also are supportive in working with vice president harris and looking at the root causes of those my migrations, the lack of opportunity for youth in those governments, the lack of opportunity for women to start a life and start a business in those countries as well. >> all right. thank you so much, congressman ruiz, it's great to have you back. we've missed you. you don't want to miss this because how hbcus and hispanic
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all right. there are more than 500 hispanic-serving institutions in the country with 30 new ones emerging each year. yes, they get a fraction of the federal funding dedicated to colleges that serve minority students tow that end. senators padilla and menendez are making sure they get the funding needed. meanwhile, enrollment in hbcus are surging and latino students are helping to swell that population. maryland state enrolled students two aren't exclusively black. joining me now to talk about this and more is dr. karen
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allen, associate professor of higher education leadership at texas christian university and miranda perez, she's a vp at start-up fellow insider. thank you both for being here. so listen, i think with latino students entering colleges and lacking the financial support, how do we make sure that hsis are getting the financial support that they need to stay in business. hbcus are also going through this? i am curious your thoughts. i'm sorry, the professor is with us. >> yeah okay. good morning. so, yes, i think policy initiatives and efforts like are being done now are definitely important and increasing the federal funding for hsis. it's important to note that hsis are defined by their enrollment. they have to reach a threshold,
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25% of the undergraduate pouplation being hispanic. so with that and becoming an hsi, there aren't allocated funds immediately offered by the federal government. it's actually a competitive process where hsis apply for gran and those grants are only available for five areas. after that point. the hsi is intended to institutionalize those efforts to support student's success. so it's not a long-term investment and it's not guaranteed, so more work is definitely needed to improve access to resources as the latino population continues to grow and hsis continue to emerge across the country. >> miranda i found your story really interesting. you listen to dig clark. it's a fine establishment if i say so, myself. tell me about your experience there and why you chose hcbus? >> clark i say it all the time
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is the best experience and decision of my adult life. i'm only 22. so i went straight to college after high school. i'm also first generation college student. so i didn't know anything about like what an hbcu or hsi was. i was winging it my hole time. what happened is i had a lot of teachers at my high school recommend hampton, a teacher who recommended hart. i was exploring my options. i had a friend that went to morehouse as well. i felt like it fit me and i ultimately ended up with clark, because everything about clark resonated with municipal mile find a way make one. i felt i was a huge testament to my life. i was entering school in 2017. that was the beginning of the trump election and it was so, i could not imagine like being a first generation student going to school 100, 800 miles away and being on a campus where i didn't feel safe. that's what i did not want to deal with. that's why i chose clark.
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i would choose clark any day, every day. >> so as a puerto rican on campus, tell me how you felt when there are things specific for black women and you are, you don't necessarily identify as a black woman. talk to me about that. >> definitely. i tell people all the time puerto ricans definitely have black indigenous and spanish ancestry. i honor that and protect that. i make sure it's known. it's forgotten. at the same time, a lot of the conversations were dedicated to black women. it was okay to me. i chose to enter this space. i'm here to uplift by sisters in that space in the same way they would do tore me. i didn't feel excluded or let out. honestly, there are so many latinos on campus. they just don't all look like me. we talk about increased latino enrollment, that doesn't mean everybody will look like me. we have caribbean student associations, so we were definitely there giving each
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other that cultural relevance still enjoying the black experience of an scbu. >> that's awesome. let me take it back to you, the latino students are entering college. some are not completing their bachelor's degree, why do you think that the? some say it's a lack of financial support s. that true, tarin, what do you say about that? >> that the definitely one of the reasons latino students do not complete their degrees. there may be other responsibilities outside of college that also draw their attention, for example, familial responsibilities or work responsibilities where they feel they are responsible for helping therapy family. so those responsibilities, plus the campus culture and climate are really important in supporting latino students and
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their retention. that's why it's important institutions are considering their overall campus climate, their representation of latino faculty and staff and also the programs and resources they have to support latino students in their transition into college. >> already. this has been a fascinating conversation. thank you have much. best wishes to you in your future, miranda. coming up next, my friend actor john whether egamos checks in on his take on what it's like to be latino in the usa? he drops history along the way. benny blanco from the brooks, that's up next. stay tuned. brooks, that's up next stay tuned somebody in there? [ scream ] micheal myers is still alive. tonight, our family will kill him. i want to take his mask off and see the life leave his eyes.
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voices who tell the kind of stories you don't hear on the news. for this week's essay i the mic over to my friend, clom yan and actor, john leg sa know. >> i want to prove to you that being latinx is a super power. how about this, that myth that we latinx people just got here somehow is bs. we are the oldest ethnic group in america after native americans of course, and we've also been the largest ethnic group since. the spanish discovered america, well, truthfully we native americans discovered columbus lost at sea, and columbus was on a spanish boat and spoke spanish. latinx's, we're indigenous. we've been here for 500 years or plus. before that we were the great empires, the inka, themayans.
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the civilizations were saved with our corn and potatoes. we gave you chiles. we invented chocolate. we're also the only ethnic group to have fought in every war america has had and we are the most awarded. i'm talking about 10,000 unknown patriots who fought in the american revolutionary war. that means we were one in eight. cuban women sold their hoop earrings, their gold teeth to feed the patriots. cubans, mexican americans, freed slaves and they kicked the british out of the south. on top of that, raised $2 million for george washington to help big g.w. we too are the sons and daughters of the american revolution. that's not all. 20,000 of us latinos fought in the civil war, the north and the south. you know how we do sometimes and we had major heroes.
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officer phillipe bizar, the and world war i, 120,000 of us fought in that war with more great heroes. marcel serno got a purple heart. we have more unsung heroes. he captured a thousand enemy soldiers by himself. blew up two of germany's biggest gun nests while maintaining fire over three hours. i'm not done yet and won't be until we're made hole. gil baz kwez saved 40 thousands jews, 39,000 more than schindler. how come he ain't got a movie? you know why. 6,000 of us were lynched, burned alive and shot to death. jim crow laws in the south said no dogs or mexicans in public places. our oppression is not as horrible as my black brothers and sisters or native american
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cousins. we're also the only people whose language and cultures were totally -- our buying power is $690 billion. we had $215 billion to the usa taxes. that's why being latin is a super power. peace. >> you are amazing, and thank you so much for that. and as black folks who also fought in every single war, we stand in solidarity with you, my brother. thank you so much. in the next hour, we hear from a group of latino voters from various backgrounds. they have a lot to say on everything from the big lie to vaccine mandates to the future of this country. you don't want to miss it. it's a very compressive comprehensive conversation. stay with us. we're live from miami. we're live from miami. this is the sound of an asthma attack... conversation. stay with us. we're live from miami. conversation stay with us we're live from miami. fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication.
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♪♪ all right, welcome back, everybody. we're live from florida for this very special of "the cross connection." latinos make up the largest minority group in the united states and have massive power in our elections. here in florida, latinos account for 17% of registered voters, and don't forget president biden lost florida in 2020 by just over 3 percentage points. so elections for congress, the florida state house, and governor all teed up for next
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november, connecting to latino voters is the key to victory for democrats and republicans. all too often these voters are ignored, taken for granted or treated like a monolith. i had a chance to sit down and talk with latino voters here in miami on issues they actually care about heading into 2022. our conversation was fascinating. we talked from sun up to sundown. take a look. >> you're obviously all voters, but how many of you guys are voting in those off year elections, even though there's really no off year elections right? the local state houses, the local state reps. federal elections, school board elections, who is heavily engage instead that space? you are. >> i happen to be have in tune with what is happening locally. i wasn't as much with school board until now. recently we had the whole issue with the mask mandate and myself as a parent i got very involved.
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>> seeing what happened with the mask mandates and people challenging it and what rolled down from the government level, it made me realize that it's probably something i should be more in tune with and more involved with. >> you're a republican voter? is that right? >> i am a republican voter. >> so the republican party has been a very vocal voice on speaking out against mask mandates. how do you reconcile this issue with your party? >> so i feel the biggest challenge that we have right now is that the republican party is divided, and right now we're viewed as one voice. i think that's a big misconception. there's many of us that disagree with the direction that we're going as a party, and i think right now with the republican party, the challenge we have is that these -- i don't want to say minority, but a select few voice is being spoken for, not mine and not others. >> and did you vote for donald trump? >> i did not. >> why? >> many reasons. i felt that donald trump was not
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really reflecting the values of the republican party. >> and why do you think he has such a grip on the republican party? >> that is a question i've wondered myself. >> i am a republican, and i did vote for him. i do agree. actually, both parties right now are divided, but the republican is more divided than ever. i think what brought people to trump, at least in my family, it was value we hold dear to us, like freedom of speech, like less government controlling what we do or say, and i think it has to do with all values and the american structure that our founders- >> so when you say the old american structure, talk more about that. what do you mean? >> basically liberty, less government involved in the
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decisions. i want to be able to decide for my kids, for myself -- >> i want to talk about this point of taking america back to previous days or what she mentioned, the old america. this is something i heard all the time during the election and donald trump's campaign slogan was make america great again, and the question that i found myself asking people in my community all the time is please define again for me. when is it exactly that we are so proud of our past that we want to go back to? was that 1980? was that 1970s, 1960s, '40s? when was it? they could never give that answer. and that answer to me as a black man living in america is specifically important because i don't want to go back to the america of 1950s. i don't want to go back to the america of 1960s. actually, what i want to do with my country is move it forward and find out what are the things and the issues that care for the next generation.
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>> if you look at the original text of the constitution, not every person was counted as a whole person, not a woman, not a person of color, so that's why i also take a little bit of -- i'm a little hesitant to say things like let's take it back to because we -- there was institutional racism. there is institutional racism and biases that don't allow us to welcome truly every immigrant, everybody that comes to the country. >> how many of you guys are regularly contacted by political parties or campaigns? >> i have to say that i feel that the democratic party has actually failed us in that regard. i believe that the republicans have done a much better job at continuing and being consistent with the latin community, and i feel that the democratic party has taken the latin vote for granted. the democratic party needs to mobilize now, not two months before the next election but now. >> what about you? are you contacted by the republican party? >> i am by both parties. i get contacted by republican and democratic party. i get emails.
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i get all sorts of, you know, mail marketing if you will across the board. >> the republicans are reaching out. as we saw in the past cycles, most of this reaching out involves a lot of disinformation that they're targeting our communities. and this is a problem because the other side is now reaching out and talking about these problems, informing the voter, informing the hispanic community how our system works, how our election works. >> why do you think latino men specifically have veered towards the republican party? >> i think it has to do with the origin where we all come from. we come from latin america, south america. we're accustomed to these authoritarian leaderships, and that just attracts these maybe first or second generation, hispanics and latinos that are here. >> i think a lot of these hispanic males that went over to trump, they weren't voters that were voting on a regular basis
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to begin with. a lot of these men were kind of idle on a political sense, they were not voters. but trump intelligently, i will say, he realized what moved them. he realized by tapping into their fears, their frustration, he was actually going to be able to get a lot of their votes. >> this is a completely different perspective, although i agree with what the panelists are saying. this is a little bit of a taboo. in some of our cultures there's a fear of the others. a lot of the hispanic males are taught that the lgbtq plus community is not okay. and they see the democratic party pushing for inclusion, diversity, equity for everyone, i think that also on a lower scale, even though they're not that verbal about it or vocal, it makes them stay away from the democratic party, and that's just engrained in the culture. >> one thing that we're forgetting and all of those reasons are valid, hispanic
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males, they like to provide for their families, and it's in our -- you know, it's embedded in the dna of hispanics. i think going back to making america great again, there's something very important that we're not mentioning is that the factories that closed down all over the united states and went to china, people were looking for new opportunities and, again, going back to what i said before, people wanted somebody that was not a career politician that goes there and says the same thing. >> i just want to ask do you believe joe biden was the elected -- is the elected president of the united states, legally and fairly? >> well, that's what the results were about, so i have no choice but to believe that. that's not to say that i'm happy with the way the country's going now. i am not. however, he's the president, and he's going to be here for
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another three years, three and a half years. donald trump was somebody different. it was not a career politician, and i have stressed that point. so he build an empire, grant it, he got it from his parents, he come from a wealthy family. >> my parents were cuban americans, my parents lived in orphanages. my father left at 16 years of age and never saw his parents again. my mother had nothing, broke their backs. when you look at donald trump, and you say, hey, well, he broke his back. it's a very different story when you look at it from his perspective. he had millions of dollars at his disposal and was handed to him. i don't know how qualified he was for many of the roles he had, let alone president of the united states. and then we go back to the fraudulent election, and i feel that that has opened up probably the biggest can of worms we've had politically, at least in my
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life. we're now in a situation where it's probably the biggest challenge of our -- you know, our democracy. so if a politician loses, they just claim it's a fraudulent election? like where does the end come? >> he's gotten the tyrants, dictator play book from south and central america, from the countrys that we had to flee from. my parents had to flee from. i came when i was 3 years old, my family had to flee nicaragua because communism came to our country. this is the playbook that he's using. he and unfortunately other autocrats from different countries, and we see it, and the problem is that this is what we see coming. this is the propaganda. this is the disinformation. this is the fraudulent election, no, we need to put a stop to it. and we need to message and tell them this is what is coming, and we need to put a stop. >> i think actually the scariest thing is -- especially here in florida and miami, the people that are listening to his message and they believe in it is the people that fled.
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so for us it's amazing how the same people that suffered in these authoritarian regimes, these autocrats, they are now falling for this message. we have to work as a community to drive the truth and warn that we were close and that the threat is still there. and it might come back next year in 2024. >> absolutely. my last question because we're losing daylight and i feel like everybody's going to have an opinion about this. how do we feel about the term latinx? >> no, it doesn't resonate with me. just say latina or latino or latin, but the x is kind of like insulting because it's not proper spanish. >> no, definitely no. another reason is because sometimes that term wants to put us all in the same group. >> my unpopular opinion is it
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doesn't bother me. i'm all about inclusivity, we're all latin. i'm okay with it. >> i'm too old. i am just too old, so i consider myself latina hispanic, we're from the caribbean. >> i recognize that it's not proper spanish. it's really not proper spanish, but our language is full of examples like that that we use all the time. so it doesn't bother me to be honest with you. i'm all about inclusivity. if you tell me you would like to be called a certain thing and that would make you feel better and that's how you see yourself ask that's how you identify with youfr yourself, if i really value you, that's what i do. >> i view myself as an american more than anything else. somebody wants to refer to as latinx, more power to them. i view myself as american. cuban american, you know. >> all right, so there you have
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it. i want to give a very special shoutout to all my panelists who i talked to actually for over an hour. so that was just a snapshot of this incredible conversation. so coming up after the quick break, more from our talk with latino voters on everything from abortion rights to freedom of speech. i've got some of the brightest minds and friends of the show on set here with me to break it all down. we'll be right back. don't go anywhere. wn we'll be right back. don't go anywhere. tide pods ultra oxi one ups the cleaning power of liquid. can it one up whatever they're doing?
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welcome back. earlier we heard from a diverse panel of latino voters on everything from mask mandates to the use of the term latinx. now take a listen to colombian american on how gop style disinformation tactics are hitting home. >> for me as a colombian american, i've seen colombian elected officials even using
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this information here in our communities in florida and the u.s. to support trump and drive our community into the hands of what i see and a lot of people see as the wrong side of the battle we're fighting now to make our country progress. >> all right, joining me now, fernan amandi, host of the amazing podcast, strange days, former florida congressman and current msnbc analyst carlos ka baio, and paola ramos, author of "fining latinx: in search of the voices redefining latino identity" you have the disadvantage of not being on set with us. >> i'm jealous. >> i want to start off the conversation with you, and i'm thrilled to have you back with us. i want you to take a listen. we talked a long time to these voters. i want you to take a listen to one of the panelists, her take on big government and abortion rights. we'll talk about it on the other
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side. >> well, i am pro-life, and that's the values that i have and were handed down from my mother and i handed down to my daughters. >> i understand that you do not support abortion, but are you okay with the government saying nobody can do this? >> again, every time government gets involved in telling people what to do i have a problem. just like the masks, i am vaccinated. my grandkids go to school with the mask, but that's a decision that we as a family took. >> okay, so you don't think the government should do that. i just want to be clear on how you feel. >> i'm not sure. maybe there should be a guide line and not precisely the government. >> like the guidelines that exist presently? >> sort of, yes. >> all right, so paola, the response was a bit clumsy because she started her response saying i don't want big government. big government should not be
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involved. when i said you mean like on abortion rights, you married her response. what's your take on republican voters and some of these, you know, to me they sound a bit hypocritical in ideologies that run contrary to each other. >> i think it's exactly what makes the latino voter in florida so complex. it's not really about the issues. it's really about the trauma that they carry with them where they have been truly trained to believe that government in this country is equal to communism or socialism, right? so any form of government intervention, any word that has to do with government or democrats is automatically associated with that awful word communism or socialism. that's why i think it's so interesting. in your panel, disinformation came up time and time again. disinformation was a central theme in the panel. as we saw clearly in the 2020 election, what trump did so masterfully for four years was literally brainwash and leverage the fear that a lot of voters
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you talked to have, which is the fear they escaped from, where the government in those country literally controlled their lives. here in the united states it's a very different reality, completely different reality. that disinformation is something that we simply can'tes crepe -- escape from. it's not really about abortion. it's a larger idea of the government is equal to communism and we don't want that. >> yeah, that's interesting because we had a lot of conversations about language. fernan, you were there the entire time with me having helped assemble the panel. i'm curious your thoughts because something i was really surprised to hear, the term like progressive doesn't necessarily translate into what english speakers think it translates and the black lives matter movement with the fist, they were explaining to me that that somehow is tied to dictators in some of their countries, and so this could be an explanation why
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some latino voters are shifting towards the republican party. what's your take. >> you got to love being here. hopefully we can do this more often. in answer to your question, yes, this is the challenge when trying to win hispanic voters. you don't just have language distinctions, you have cultural distinctions as well. a lot of people bring those from their countries of origins or where their families are from, and it doesn't necessarily translate into the political discourse. if you're the democratic party right now, you need to take a hard look at hispanic voters because they are trending away from the party. if you want to hold onto the house and senate in 2022, these words, these phrases, symbols and actions may have consequences. >> we talked a lot about that, which brings me to you congressman. very happy to be on set with you by the way. >> thank you. >> one of our panelists is a republican voter and you've seen the shift of latino men shifting towards the republican party. i want you to take a listen to
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an exchange we had. he was talking to our other republican trump voter about their disagreement on free market enterprise and traditional republican values. take a listen and we'll talk about it. >> i am concerned with my freedom of speech, with the freedom of defending -- >> what policies are attacking your freedom of speech? >> let's go to social media. if i put something that is not politically correct expressing my view, i get sanctioned from social media. >> oh, well, if i post something on facebook that contradicts what facebook wants, i'm going to be banned, absolutely. it's a private entity. that is what the free market enterprise is all about. >> freedom of speech, i want to make it clear, talks about the government not being able to persecute you for your opinion. >> all right, so you hear that conversation, right? i mean, free market enterprise, traditional republican value. i will tell you we didn't have time to play it. we pressed her on that.
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who's taking down something because you said it's politically incorrect. she could not name a specific example. it was always a friend of a friend. she knows people who it happened to. how do you as a traditional republican, how do you navigate this space? trump is coming along snatching up everybody. >> donald trump has totally changed the meaning of conservative or he has tried to and been successful to a certain degree. and a lot of people really aren't getting that. they're equating companies like facebook and twitter to the government when you're actually visiting a private establishment. and what i'll tell people is, hey, if you walk into a restaurant without a shirt, they don't have to seat you. if you're in a restaurant and you're yelling and disrupting other tables, they don't have to seat you. this is a perfect example of how donald trump has scrambled everything and has turned american conservatism into an incoherent movement. you hear those voters in the panel trying to figure it out amongst themselves, and it's difficult.
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>> they haven't really figured it out. and i'll tell you, i asked that republican voter if he would be open to voing for a democrat when it comes to senator marco rubio who's aligned himself with trump and congresswoman val demings. jr. constituency who are open to voting for the democrat in the senate race. >> what i'll tell you is there's obviously a cost to associating yourself with donald trump. there are obviously some political benefits too, right? donald trump has won this state twice. so it's not like here in florida it's a major decision for republicans. but there is a cost. there are a lot of conservative independents and moderate republicans who follow what donald trump says very closely, watch who's following donald trump and have an aversion to those people. so there is a cost, and we'll see how that plays out here in 2022. >> we'll see.
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before we go, i want to get your take really quickly. latino voters on the younger spectrum are a huge force of power when it comes to how this country's democracy will function. what's your message to candidates in terms of reaching out to young latino voters. >> listen to people, a perfect example of someone that doesn't fit in the typical latina vote. that is the future of the latino democratic vote. there's over 3 million latinos who not only believe they're criminalized by the immigration system but also by the criminal justice system and the police and see a diversity among us that not a lot of people can see. those are the swing votes democrats have to go after. >> all right. what a fascinating discussion. so thank you so much, this was such a great discourse with you guys. ahead, latinos make up a massive number of movie goers, yet we don't see those numbers reflected on the big screen.
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all right, hollywood's history with latino and hispanic representation leaves much, much, much to be desired. one out of five people in the united states identify as hispanic or latino, and yet, the percent of movies that actually feature latino leads is minuscule. and when they are featured on the screen, they're often typecast in roles centering criminality, poverty or immigration. so for a community that attendance the movies more than any other ethnicity per capita, they are robbed of being represented properly on the silver screen. joining ne is texas congressman joaquin castro and actress vanessa rubio who stars as
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carmen cobra chi. congressman, i want to start it off with you. if the latino community is over indexing when it comes to who goes to see movies, yet they are not represented, how do you explain that shameful dichotomy? >> well, it's just generations of exclusion. latinos being excluded as actresses and actors, as producers and directors in front of and behind the camera. there are two issues, first, representation matters not just so folks can have a job in the industry, but also because with better representation you get more accurate portrayals and less stereotypes, and that's important for the latino community as well. >> yeah, and there's a lack of representation everywhere. so vanessa, you're an actress in hollywood, what's been your experience like, and what have you noticed not just in front of
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but even behind the camera? >> a lot. and hi, representative castro, thank you for, you know, the report and reporting on these numbers. sometimes you don't know there's a problem until you see the numbers. for me as an actor just being on set, there are little nuances that we need to build awareness of. you know, as a character, how am i being lit? how am i being dressed? what am i saying? are there latino writers in the writer's room, things like that. >> i think that's a really good point. you know, representation matters in front of and behind the camera, to vanessa's point. we have a lack of representation of latinos in news rooms as well. i think that's why you don't see a lot of latino shows being shown. caesar con dee who is very focused on getting people --
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shoutdownout to you congressman, you've been on this issue for a long time since you were chair of the congressional caucus. >> i really started this maybe two and a half, three years ago now. but really put my foot on the gas after what happened in el paso, texas, when this madman drove ten hours and killed 23 people and injured more than 20 others because he claimed that these people were, quote, unquote hispanic invaders to texas. and i think the reason people end up with that idea is because generations of stereotypes about who latinos are. because other people are defining us, we're not able to define ourselves, and then those stereotypes are taken by people in my line of work, a politician who abuse those stereotypes for their own political gain. that's a very combustible and dangerous thing, and so i said that this under representation in the media industry, which is still the main image defining a
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narrative institution about groups of people in this country, it's dangerous because, you know, you get inaccurate stereotypes that are then abused and in the worst-case scenario, you get what happened in el paso, texas. >> right, absolutely, and vanessa, something that you were talking about, i thought of -- when you talk about are you lit properly, there's also makeup artists who don't know how to do women of color. so have studios made an effort, do you think, in your experience as an actress to address some of these challenges? >> i think it's getting better since when i started i can see progress that it is getting better, that when you do speak up and ask a question is this the right foundation for me or color, you know, they are more receptive to it. so i think progressively it is getting better, but we have to just keep on speaking up and speaking up about our hair and our makeup, and our lighting and our dress, and it's not in a way
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of complaining. it's really being co-creators this our representation and being present so that we to get a richer representation, a more true representation. >> i think that's key what you said, being co-creators is key to addressing this representation. thank you so much, vanessa rubio and congressman joaquin castro. vanessa rubio, that premiers december 31st. you have a cult following. a lot of people are going to be looking for that. stay tuned. after the break, we're spotlighting the experiences of some good, some bad, and the -- we have prompter challenges here. i've got to two fabulous guests coming up, actor laz alonzo, of the hit series "the boys." so keep it right there, you don't want to miss it. we're live from miami. u
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♪ i ain't going to say it twice ♪ ♪ turn on the street lights ♪ ♪ fight for what is right ♪ ♪ in washington heights ♪ >> you remember when lin-manuel miranda's "in the heights" came to the big screen. it stirred up a lot of controversy. that film that was meant to illuminate the community, exposed the erasure of afro latino people in pop culture and in real life in actuality. according to the 2020 census, more than 1.3 million americans identify as black and hispanic, which is why it's so important to have this ongoing conversation about colorism and anti-blackness. i'm pleased to welcome to the show now award winning actor currently starring in the amazing series "the boys" actor laz alonso, and felice leon, journalist, and harvard neiman fellow.
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so grateful to have you guys with me. laz, thank you so much for being here. i first saw your video on instagram where you were talking about what was happening in cuba, and you really centered the afro cuban experience, which i thought was so amazing. i want to ask you how you feel afro-latinos are being represented in the national discourse, or are they being represented at all outside of yourselves? >> so i'm glad that you brought up "in the heights" because i feel like that was another opportunity for us to continue to bring light that the afro-latino experience continuously tends to be the same. we have these conversations about what that means, and have many times, the afro-latin element to the conversation is erased, and these two conversations being black and latin are not mutually exclusive. we are both, and that was just another opportunity for us to have this conversation, but more
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importantly, what i want to point out is i've been talking about this for years since i've been in this business. it doesn't start in hollywood. it starts in our countries of origin. if you look at mexico, colombia, puerto rico, you go anywhere in latin america, the problem still exists. very rarely are you going to see people that look like me or you, tiffany. if you come to my family reunion, our barbecues, all the women in my family look like you. you know, but we don't see each other on our media or our news channels the way we do here in the states. so i try my best always to remind people that this is a global issue. it's bigger than just hollywood and bigger than here in the u.s. >> yeah, that's a really good point, and please invite me to the barbecue so i can confirm that these women look like me. >> always. >> laz made a really good point, it starts in the countries of origin. so being -- what's your lived experience as an afro-latino
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here in america, and do you agree that it starts in countries of origin? >> yeah, so tiffany, first, thank you for having me here. i appreciate you for having this conversation that i want to honor, you know, laz for using his platform, his voice, also people like activists who have been speaking out on black lives, but i would agree with laz. i do think that this absolutely starts in countries of origin. so as black people of latin american descent, you know, it's really, really very nuanced, so you have your connection and then there's also the connection to africa. and as i sort of say, the ship made multiple stops before arriving upon these north american shores, i.e. the slave ship. and then you look within those countries, you know, various policies and laws that have been
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oppressive to black people, to the afro-latinos and therein lies the problem, right? i mean, come to the united states and of course here we have a legacy of racism and there's slavery and red lining jim crow, and all of it together is just really a lot to unpack. >> yeah, and i think that's a good reminder for folks that, look, the diaspora is large. it really just depends on where the slave ship dropped you off, you know, dropped the deslaved off to be dehumanized really. laz, i'm curious for you in hollywood, are you ever cast as like a spanish speaking person or as someone afro-latino, and do you feel like you ever have to choose your identity operating in hollywood? >> so the interesting thing about that, tiffany is that the only times that i have played a
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latin character has been in non-latin projects. i have yet to work in a latin film. i have yet to work in a latin television series or television show. scripted television show. and so that's the interesting thing is that very many times the opportunities that i have had to be casted as a latino came from non-latinos. they have never come from my own, you know, and so this is why i'm so passionate about bringing this problem home and shining a mirror on our own community and letting them know that don't forget, when you're talking about inclusion, include us all. don't just include the people that look like your relatives. there is a much larger dies a diaspora, when you come to our countries, you're going to see people of color, whether it's
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mexico, panama, you name it. >> laz makes a good point. when we talked to our voter panel, we talked about anti-blackness within the latino community, and the panel was explaining to me that there are so many words in the spanish language just to avoid identifying yourself as black. where do you think that anti-black sentiment comes from? >> two words, white supremacy r right? when we look at white supremacy and systems of racism, they have existed across nations and in the united states, it was reflected in chattel slavery, jim crow red lining, et cetera, and as we understand that this white supremacy has really devalued blackness. it has said that black people are less than, they're not full citizens, and so with that you have immigration and folks who might have come to the united
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states specifically from various latin american countries, there was the thought that, you know, perhaps, you know, they distanced themselves from that because they did not want to -- they wanted to be able to be full citizens in that way, but i want to be clear that there were also, you know, afro-latinos who came here and were very, very proud of their blackness. but ultimately it comes down to the ability to be full citizens and systems of racism and oppression and white supremacy really know this is not what it's supposed to be -- >> yeah, sorry, all right, we're going to take a quick break and be right back. i want to talk about hbcus, laz, you went to howard and we talked about the latino experience at hbcus, thank you. we'll be right back after the break. break.
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laz alonso and felice leon. i want to pick off where i left off with you, laz. you're a proud bison, graduate of howard university. talk to me about your experience there and why you chose howard. >> you know, i tell you, at howard is where i actually became truly rooted in my blackness. growing up, at home i was always latino, and when i stepped foot outside my house, i would be an african-american man in america dealing with everything, you know, african-american men have to deal with when they walk out of the house, but at howard was where i truly learned that we are a diaspora around the world, and i learned how similar we as black people are regardless of whether you're in jamaica, the virgin islands, cuba, haiti. we are all one big plethora of blackness that go back to our roots, which is africa. and so for me it was less about being latino at howard and more
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about being afro at how'd. and realing how similar we are regardless of where the ship may have ended up and placed our relatives. >> did you ever feel like you had to choose between your identities at howard? you know, were people saying, hey, are you black or latino? did you have to explain your lineage to a lot of people there? >> i've only had to explain it to latinos because latinos would ask me, well, why do you say that you're black, or why do you think you're black first and latino second? and i always remind them say the word. it's afro-latino. what comes first, afro, right? it's because that's the race, that's the dna. latino is a culture. it's not a race. so when i say that i'm black, i am black in cuba. i am black in america. i am black in china. wherever i go i'm black first.
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my latina da, which i am raised equally, that's my culture. they're not mutually exclusive. when you do a dna test, what is it going to tell you, what percent african i am. people understand i'm not choosing one over the other, but i'm speaking about the nuance of what it is to be black regardless of what comes after the afro. >> right. that's a really good point that he makes, fernan about what comes first. we were talking about anti-blackness within the latino community. fernan, talk to me about why that exists in the latino community. >> well, as laz pointed out, there is an increasing number of afro-latinos. we're seeing them grow in terms of the population. this is remarkable moment in american history. i will never forget the day of watching president obama, his first nomination to the supreme court, could have been anybody, a lot of folks in the different
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communities thought it was going to be -- he nominated sonia sotomayor, which proved to be a brilliant choice but spoke to the coalitions of blacks, african-americans and hispanics in the future. this is the largest segment in american society going forward, and these two communities, despite the talk there's been a lot of tension in the past, they will be the political force in the united states in the 21st century. >> that's a really good point. felice i want to get your take on this as a journalist. there are tensions in the community sometimes, and there are people who feel certain pockets of the latino community want to be white adjacent and therefore benefit from a certain privilege, and join the supremacy so to speak and look down on people with black skin. what's a way that candidates can navigate that and really reject the anti-black sentiment and embrace the latino vote and go after the latino vote at large? >> i think that they first have to have an understanding of the history, right?
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context is always very important. and taking a look at the fact that privilege -- so these conversations are actually real. so the fact that there is a -- there's pigmentocracy in latin america, that privilege is whiteness, you're sort of at the bottom if you're black or indigenous. that's very real, so you have to approach that with the understanding that this is what has happened for centuries in this -- in these various countries. and you have to beyond the fact that, you know, make yourself aware, you have to surround yourself with people who know the context as well who are able to really speak to the larger issues, right? i'm not talking about a superficial level. i'm talking about people who are in the communities who know. who have lived experiences, who perhaps have done researc. and people really resonate with
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that authenticity with the idea that this politician is not just trying to blow steam up our behinds. this politician is real and they're doing the work. that's what we want to see. politicians who do the work. >> right. >> all right, this has been an amazing panel. i have to run and get an outfit to wear to laz alonso's family cookout, so i have to leave it right there with this wonderful panel. thank you so much, you guys were an amazing way to close out the show. i can't thank you enough. for you at home, thank you so much for joining me in miami for this special edition of "the cross connection," the latino landscape. tomorrow on the sunday show, my friend jonathan capehart has congressman adam schiff, and he's going to discuss the latest on the investigation into the january 6th attack on the capitol. that's tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. on the sunday show, and we'll be right back. a.m. on the sunday show, and we'll be right back ♪
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