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today on "velshi." the january 6th committee is speeding ahead. we will go ahead with the twice impeached the inner circle is talking and counting down to criminal referral. as they fight it out, joe biden escalates his future with bernie sanders. i'll ask a negotiator who pledges to get it done and how they will do that. the state law which has teachers punished for books in the classrooms. this is not a dispatch from a distopian novel. the story behind the huge fund that might be coming after your local newspaper. "velshi" starts now. good morning. today is saturday, october 16th.
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i'm ali velshi. we have new developments in the deadly january 6th cap the toll capitol attack. a police officer has been arrested for encouraging a suspected insurrectionist to hide evidence. a grand jury indictment has charged michael riley with instruction of justice for repeatedly telling the man to wipe any social media posts to prove he entered the building that day. according to the indictment, in a direct message on facebook, he said i'm a capitol police officer who agrees with your political stance. take down the part about being in the building. they are correctly investigating and everyone who was in the building is going to be charged. just looking out. that officer has been placed on on leave as the capitol police conduct their own investigation. the ball is back in steve bannon's court as the house
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committee investigating the attack on the nation's capitol takes action against one of the ex-president's long time cronies. the panel is making good on the promise and now expected to send the criminal contempt referral for bannon to the full house for a vote next week. because of his refual to comply with the subpoena. select committee member writes it's official. steve bannon violated a congressional subpoena and missed his opportunity without jail time or a court order to come clean about the january 6th insurrection. he will face the full force of the law for the smirking contempt he is showing congress and the american people. the committee has president biden's blessing to proceed with the plan. he told reporters he believes anyone defying a subpoena from the committee should be prosecuted by the justice department. >> i hope that the committee goes after him and holds him
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accountable. >> prosecuted? >> yes. >> for reasons unknown to rational people, bannon is following the orders of a failed deplat formed insurrectionist president. he has been out of the white house nine months and maintaining an iron grip on one of his henchmen and looms large over the republican party. the gop willingness to tango with the would would-be dictator could cost them in the long run. if the party doesn't work harder to spread his lies about the election, he may direct republican voters to sit out 2022 and 2024 elections. not only should this terrify th. with each passing day, it is clearer and clearer that the
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ex-president's attempt to overturn democracy did not end with that attack. the ex-president's threats are another installment in the pattern of anti-democratic behavior. another shot across the bow of democracy of a guy with ammunition left. this is why it is critical to get full clarity about how the january 6th attack came to fruition and who enabled it. as a journalist for the new yorker, susan glasser writes, trump is preparing to run again. the ideology consists of disputing the legitimacy of the election that turned him out of office. it is not just a matter for book sellers or writers. it is an active crime scene. joining me now is the reporter for the new york times and msnbc contributor. katie, thank you for being here. we certainly can expect
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developments this week as the january 6th committee meets tuesday night to vote on sending a criminal referral for steve bannon to the full house for a vote. >> that's right. they will vote and send it to the full house. it is likely they will have the votes and what happens is the criminal referral goes to the justice department. by the letter of the law, the justice department is to take that referral and u.s. attorney in washington, d.c. puts it before the grand jury and grand jury votes on it. keep in mind, this is not going to be so simple. it is not a straight forward issue. the justice department refrains from prosecuting executive branch officials if they refuse to comply because of executive privilege. under democrats and republicans. lois lerner or wilbur ross. none was prosecuted.
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it is not clear if bannon is talking about official duties. if bannon takes this to the court of law to settles these questions, they are likely to wait for the court case to wind its way through the system rather than jump in. >> is there some reason why steve bannon is the focus of the criminal referral and not the other three people who have been subpoenaed? >> that is because the other officials, who have more of a claim of executive privilege in some readings, are in negotiations with the committee. as long as they are negotiating with the committee and it is in good faith. it is odd to try to move them in contempt. >> let's talk about a little about jeffery clark. the guy at the department of justice. the mastermind behind the effort to get trump to validate his
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fraudulent election claims. we are expecting and i spoke to congress member pete agular. we are expecting him to receive a subpoenas well. >> mr. clark has not complained with the other requests. i believe he has notresponded. there is already a move to have him disbarred and law license revoked. he lost his job. i don't know he is in a strong position to push back. >> we just played something that joe biden said yesterday. he was talking to reporters in reference to the possible criminal reference. he suggested it goes to the department of justice. the chairma of the committee bennie thompson. sometimes they are hesitant to do these things. the justice department said the department of justice will make
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its own independent decisions in all prosecutions based solely on on the facts and law. period. full stop. it is important. a lot of americans who feel for the duration of the trump administration, the justice department was doing the trump bidding. the justice department is implying joe biden doesn't make the decisions here. >> that's joe biden's opinion. exactly. i think we have to remember that under president trump, he put a tremendous amount of pressure on the department to make prosecutions go his way. the department is saying if we're going to return to norms, we need to push back on that strongly and forcefully even if it is only implied. while trump explicitly asked the department to do things, he often implied and said this is what i wish would happen. the department is saying we need to restore norms. that cannot continue. >> katie, thank you for joining us this morning. katie benner is a justice
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department reporter for the new york times. democrats face the task of how to move forward with the biden economic agenda amid differences of opinion within the party and nearly blanket opposition from the republicans. the president says the build back better plan to invest money in universal pre-k and expanded medicare may have to fall below the desired $3.5 trillion price tag to get it passed in tandem with the bipartisan infrastructure bill. >> i'm convinced we will get it done. not get $3.5 trillion. we will get less than that. we will get it and come back and get the rest. >> that difficult question facing democrats is what stays and what goes if they are bringing the total value of the bill down. joining me now is the democratic congresswoman of washington state. she is the co-chair of the progressive caucus and member of
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the judiciary committee. we discussed this issue last week. i think you basically had suggested that it can come down a little bit. there are some things in there that should not be interested in negotiating or shortening or under funding. one is climate. we're hearing reports that joe manchin may have tanked a big part of the climate bill. >> ali, it's good to see you and good to be back talking about this again because it is such an important piece of the president's agenda. 85% of the agenda is in the build back better act. you know, our belief is you can shorten some of those programs by years in order to bring the price tag down. i think on climate, we have been very clear and the president has been very clear and the world has been very clear that the united states needs to lead on
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taking on climate change. a big part of that is about how we bring down carbon emissions. there are two pieces in the page package to that. one is the clean energy tax credits. they work together to say there is a carrot and a stick. we understand we have to get all 50 senators on board and senator manchin has a big role to play on this. this is in his committee. we are continuing to push for the strongest possible climate protections that will allow us to bring down carbon emissions. we're open to that negotiation as long as we have strong climate protections that bring down carbon emissions. that's the discussion that's under way right now. there are no decisions that have been made despite reporting that is out there. there's no decision that has been made. negotiations are continuing. i think we need to make sure as
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my friend, tina smith said, it is not enough to have two people on board in the senate, but you have to have all 50 senators. i think that is an important part of this as well. >> when we last talked, the way you helped characterize this, the way you bring the price tag and we discussed the price tag is a frustrating way to discuss it. we need to discuss the programs and what return they provide. there are three options. shorten duration of the things you propose. you reduce the cost of some of the things you are propoing or cut some out entirely. is that still the chess game played where something may be shorten and something might be cut and something might be left? >> yes, i think that's right. what is important for people to remember is for the progressive caucus, we didn't think this bill should be trying to do
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everything. we also have a separate appropriations process. we said we want investments transformative and provide benefit immediately to people that they can feel in this moment of crisis and are as universal as possible. that's how we got to saying we want to invest in universal child care and pre-k. we want home and community based care for seniors. we want to make sure there is paid family and medical leave. that is all within the care economy. we have to get women and families back into the workplace and this is the way you do it. we also said that the other four priorities were climate change, housing, absolutely critical we make a big investment in housing and house the unhoused across the country. we need to expand medicare and invest in health care. one of the most popular pieces of the package. we need to lift up immigrants.
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those are the five priorities we settled on. i feel confident that those major priorities will be in the package. there may be other ancillary things cut out, but i think we feel good that the majority, if not all, of the priorities will be in the package, but for a shortened period of time. >> how do you wish to recharacterize this debate? some people are characterizing this as half the democrats are supporting it and half of the dozen don't. the progressives do, but moderates don't. the progressive caucus in congress is the largest group in congress, if i'm not mistaken? >> that's correct. we are. we have 96 members in the house of representatives. this is not a progressives versus moderates debate. let me characterize it the way president biden characterized it. this is opportunity versus
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decay. the united states that's invest in a host of things that provide regular working families the opportunity to actually have a better life. a little bit of breathing space as he said the other day so people have child care and they can get back to work. so people have paid family leave so they can look after loved ones or themselves when they are ill. so people can feel like young people have a planet that they want to live on and we can house the richest people in the world. the longer we keep with the inequality, and by the way, another piece of the package, ali, is the tax system which the president has been great talking about. this is a zero dollar bill at the end of the day. it is all paid for by taxes on the wealthy and corporations paying their fair share.
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that is the characterization. the house already has a bill called the build back better act that went through committees. the vast majority, except for a small handful of democrats were on board. the senate has two senators we still need to get on board. i'm not disparaging anybody. the margins are so thin that we need to have everybody on board. that is why the progressive caucus is standing up for the president's agenda. we are not leaving anybody behind. we are at the table. we are willing to discuss this and we have been. i think there is good progress made. negotiations is a messy part of democracy. not everybody knows what is happening all the time. sometimes it looks like tempers are flared and they may be, but at the end of the day, we're all democrats. we'll get this done. >> congress member, thank you for making time for us and making this complicated issue more clearer. congress member jayapal from
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washington state. the co- chair of the caucus. we have breaking news in houston overnight. a man armed with a rifle shot three texas constable deputies. the shooting took place outside of the bar around 2:30 a.m. this morning. one person has been taken into custody. it is not immediate clear if the person in custody is the suspected shooter. this is a developing story. we will bring you more information on it as it comes in. we have a heaping helping of "velshi" still to come. we will continue the discussion of january 6th and we have representative stace yorks plaskett. and laws in texas now includes opposing views about the hholocaust. the story straight ahead. and update on bill clinton. he remains hospitalized in
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last friday, teachers in the carroll independent school district in texas took part in a training session for what books
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they are allowed to have in the classroom libraries. the training session was four days after the school board voted to reprimand a fourth grade teacher for having an anti-racism book in her library and emailing teachers to close the libraries until they can be vetted. why would teachers need the classroom library vetted? to line up with the house bill 79and the updated version that the republican texas senate bill 3. you may know it as critical race theory. in this case, the law to limit teaching has manifested in a group of southlake, texas parents fighting for more than a year to block diversity and inclusion programs in the district. something which antonia hylton's
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podcast has been covering. nbc news has obtained audio from the classroom library training session from a staff member who secretly recorded it. here is the guidance from the executive director from curriculum instruction. gina petty. >> we are in the middle of the political mess and you are in the middle of the political mess. so, we just have to do the best we can and we're going to go and we're going to do -- are you going to do what you do best. that's teach kids. >> i think we are all really scared. >> i think you are terrified. i wish i could take that away. i do. i can't. i can't do that. >> try to remember the concepts of 3979 and make sure if you have a book on the holocaust that you have one that has opposing -- >> how do you oppose the holocaust? >> believe me, that's come up.
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>> make sure you have a book with an opposing perspective to the holocaust. that's the type of direction teachers are getting. to not teach singular perspectives that could be offensive. should teachers have pro holocaust propaganda? hitler's mein kampf? they have not responded to nbc news' request for comment. the superintendent apologized in the email to parents writing in part, the comments made were in no way to convey that the holocaust was a terrible incident in history. in a statement to nbc news, the guidance puts the district in compliance with republican laws which require teachers to offer, multiple points of view for debated and ideas and should strive to explore such issues
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from diverse and contending perspectives without giving deference to anyone perspective. so students don't feel guilt or anguish. this is the problem at the root of the misguided fight playing out across the country. the fear of the rendition of historical events might hurt some kids' feelings. i'm not sure how that plays out. the only viable opposing view to the holocaust is if the idea that the holocaust is a good thing. this isn't about holocaust deniers. that is a lie or conspiracy theory. the district is calling for views that oppose the commonly accepted view. sort of like climate change is real and the earth is round and the hoocaust is a really bad thing. the idea it wasn't somebody's
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belief. we need to understand because millions of people were killed for somebody's belief. it is not to have pro holocaust books on the shelf. that would be the ultimate in false equivalency. there is a way to discuss important events in history and learn how to think critically about different perspectives. once the perspective includes placing opposing views of the holocaust on the same level of the almost universally accepted truth about the holocaust, the american public education system lost the plot. em lost the plot. hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪
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warn. that is a quote from the book on tierny over the south lake, texas school district. joining me now is timothy schneider. the author of multiple books. professor, good to see you. thank you for joining us. i want to talk to you about this. when you talk and write about the big lie and tyranny and authoritarianism. some people think of the big level. what tends to happen, it sprinkles down and gets to places like school districts where people decide that alternative realities or what they call alternative facts are viable and should be taught to their kids. >> this is right. democracy depends on history.
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democracy is all about recognizing you made mistakes and correct yourself. that's the best thing about democracy. if we don't have a history, which tells us where we went wrong, we can never correct ourselves. the moment we as a nation decide that history is all about how we feel about the past, as opposed to what would happen in the past, from that moment forward, we cease to become a democracy. you are right. this notion, this trumpian notion, it is all about my feelings and not the facts, is the path leading away from democracy. >> i'm not sure how this particular holocaust example in south lake fits in the narrative. the 1619 project and then people feel you don't want to make their kids feel bad about slave ri which they had nothing to do with it. where does coming up with the holocaust or opposing view of whether it was a bad thing.
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how does it fit into the warped narrative we're developing? >> i think we should be clear that the past is not there to feel guilty about it. the past is there to feel responsible for it. how this all fits together is this way. history has to be about things make us feel uncomfortable. a good history book will have something in it that's surprising and discomforting and leaves us altered after what we learned what happened. the moment we legislate that history is about feelings and that is what the memory laws in texas are doing, the moment we say that is about feeling, we are opening the way for people to say i feel that maybe slavery wasn't so bad. i feel maybe blacks didn't have their votes suppressed. or i feel the holocaust didn't happen. it is not a slippery slope.
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it is the logic of the enterprise. the logic of the law that history is not about what happened. it is about how people might feel. you are licensing people to say i'm going to bring my feelings in public atmosphere and that means everything is nonsense. everything is moral nonsense and factual nonsense as we see. >> i want to explore the idea of responsibility. if you feel responsible as a citizen to change things and learn from history as blame for something you don't like. it changes the dynamic. you write democracy has always been a radical idea and requires of us that we act like citizens who take responsibility. you almost distinguish between responsibility and blame. in texas, they seem to worry about don't blame the kids for something that happened in the past. you are saying it is not about blaming the kids. whether slavery or the holocaust. >> yeah. there's a direct relationship between the past and future. if you want to be a democratic society, you have to know what
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happened in the past. whether it's the holocaust as an event in world history or slavery or voter suppression. if you want a future, you have to have some understanding of of the past. i have kids, too. they are learning history. their education in hit try is all about the future. we have one shot to give them what they need to know about the american past it to make a better american future. if we waste that one shot and teach it is only how they feel and they have the right to raise their hand and say that makes me uncomfortable. we are messing this up. it is very important. it is about the future. >> you have been warning about this for a long time. if you haven't read your books, you should. tim snyder at yale university. author of multiple books.
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thanks to antonia hylton and mike hicksenbaum. who are continuing to report from texas. if you want to get behind the podcast, head to nbcuacademy.com. coming up next, supply chain pain with the holiday season approaching, what needs to be done to alleviate the shipping backlog? a live report from the port of long beach, california next. pof long beach, california next. want your clothes to smell freshly washed all day without heavy perfumes?
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supplies to warehouses and distribution centers. those problems are about to have an issue for us. joining me is scott cohn. thank you, scott, for joining us so early in the morning where you are. the biden administration has gotten involved. trying to alleviate the shipping and unloading bottlenecks by having the port of los angeles and long beach where you are work 24/7. tell me about this and if it will work to alleviate the problems. >> reporter: it is a start, ali. something they have been talking about for a long time. ports around the world work 24/7. why not l.a. and long beach? here in long beach, they had a pilot program for a while. we watched a short time ago before we came on, a tanker ship backing in and ready to unload. clearing some of the log jam out in the harbor. so they do have this now that
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they are trying to expand in both of these key ports and the port leadership says that is an important first step. >> any particular reason that ports and long beach don't operate 24 hours a day? >> reporter: it is a very complicated thing. it worked well for some time. here is the problem. these are massive ports. ports processing 25% of u.s. imports. more than 40% of the imports coming from asia. you don't just flip a switch and have the ports running 24/7. you mentioned the truck drivers. that's part of it. you have to get drivers in here and get the companies on board. you have to get all of these players, the customers that use the ports also working 24/7. what they're saying is, yes, this is an important start, but they're not going to clear the
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backlogs in the best case until the end of the year and well into next year. >> is that the biggest part of the supply chain problem or other stuff as well? >> reporter: well, that's a major part of the supply chain problem and everything ripples from there. you know, it's shortages of workers. it is shortages of facilities. this is part of what the infrastructure bill is all about and trying to alleviate that. of course, none of that will happen overnight. >> scott, good to see you. thank you for getting up early. scott cohn at the port of long beach. preserving the truth and rescuing democracy. two things increasingly difficult to do in the current world in which we live. someone's got to do it. coming up, i'm speaking with one of the recipients of the nobel peace prize. stay with us. peace prize. stay with us for strong protection, that's always discreet.
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democracy is under siege around the world and assault on truth could be its death. a free press is essential to a functioning democracy. the emerging funded campaigns and the conspiracy theory like the big lie and the attacks on the press often by governments make that battle that much harder. perhaps it is a sign of the times in which we live that two journalists were awarded the nobel peace prize this year. one of them. maria ressa has been jailed for countless times for exposing corruption in the philippines and abroad. she performed work under the threat of violence. maria is the ceo of the work and it is a sign the world is
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starting to recognize the press needs to have freedom to exist without government interference for democracy to persist. maria is joining me now. how to stand up to a dictadicta. maria, congratulations to you. thank you for being here. thank you for the work you do. you do a lot of it in the philippines. imicrocosm. >> in 2016, what got us attacked by the government is exposed to propaganda network on facebook. we did a three-part series of the weaponization of the internet. one was how facebook algorithm impacts democracy. it is wonderful to listen to
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your lead to our interview. >> you and roger macname are integral. there are a lot of liberation movements around the world. people abused by police to live stream and tell you what's going on. the way facebook and some of its competitors are designed amplify the anti-democratic messages. what do we do about that? >> first, we rappler, the start-up we founded in 2012, was on facebook. if facebook had better search, we started as a facebook page. if facebook had better search, we would not have started our site. i drank the kool-aid. our call was social media for social good and social media for social change. that was the reason in 2016 we felt the shift before president
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dutuerte took his oath of office. what we can demand is guardrails put in place especially since we're near the end of the term of dutuerte. this is the battle for facts. >> let's talk about the american view on journalism. the survey suggested 29% of u.s. adults say they mostly trust the news media. 41% of americans avoid the news. 32% of people over 65 say mainstream media spread false news. 44% of republicans think mainstream media is spreading fake news. is that a symptom or the attacks on journalism by leaders or a lot of bad journalism out there? >> not at all. i think you asked a lot of different questions. part of it is because that trust that has been broken, the public
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atmosphere torn apart is the end result of the algorithms. the users have become pavlov's dogs. you know this, ali. on social media right now, the algorithms treat facts and lies identically. actually, it spreads lies laced with anger and hate faster than facts. you can say the world's largest delivery platform for news, facebook, is bias against facts and bias against journalists. the end results you talked about, that is the logical conclusion. >> we look at the arguments that go on in society. a lot of people tell me it is opinion. the show you are watching now has opinion in it.
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a lot of it. you point out something and i think people need to recognize. opinion has been with us. that is not the problem. facts versus lies. we can hear honest opinion from everywhere in the political spectrum and thrive as democracies. it is when lies are treated as facts that democracy starts to crumble. >> and beyond that, when our shared reality isn't when it is torn apart. think about it like this. if i target people in london and hold up a pen and show the photo and target people in manila and hold up the black case. then i make them fight each other. they will both be right. they don't know that i have given different photos. only i know that. that is the insidious manipulation we face on social media today. >> maria, thank you for the work you have done. you are a recipient of the nobel peace prize in 2021.
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our congratulations to you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. we will talk about the news more. local news is the beating heart of any community. local newsrooms are gutted across the country and big business is to blame. lame at jus? business is to blame aundry smelling fresh way longer than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters.
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from nobel peace prize resilient, the journalist maria ressa from the philippines, about that government's hostile treatment of the press. in america, we have a different force threatening journalism. vulture funds. secretive hedge funds are swooping in and buying news entities. "the atlantic" writes about the devastating effect. the model is simple, gut the staff, sell the real estate, jack up subscription prices, and wring as much cash as possible out of the enterprise until readers cancel their subscriptions and the newspaper folds. one example, alden, is a name and a pretty picture of a forest. that's it. no link to take you to another page. doesn't tell you alden global
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capital is the second largest up up owner -- owner of the newspapers. owns the daily news, chicago tribune, denver post, and dozens of others. alden has been actively destroying the entities. the "denver post" was a profitable equity when alden acquired it. since then, the paper experienced several rounds of layoffs. in 2017, the "east bay times" won a pulitzer prize. one week later, 20 people were cut from the staff. joining me now is the staff writer for "the atlantic." latest artarticle, "a secretive hedge fund is gutting newsrooms." thank you for the article. i read it and was captivated by it. there is a connection between the gutting of local news outlets, which has been going on in america for decades, and this loss of democracy that i was just discussing with maria ressa
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and tim snyder before them. good local journalism encourages good civics. >> yeah, that's right. there's actually a pretty big body of research at this point that shows that when a local newspaper vanishes from a community, voter turnout drops, polarization increases, misinformation proliferates. there's even some evidence that city budgets will balloon because there's less accountability for the dysfunction and corruption that can happen in local government. so what really happens is that these local newspapers not only provide an important check on people in power, they also kind of bind communities together. when you lose them, you make it easier for demagogues and other kind of divisive figures to come in and pull people apart for their own gain. >> some of these big newspapers we were just talking about, they're not gone. they're still there. they still publish. they might be thinner than they
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used to be. but if you think about news as bearing witness, telling people what's going on, and holding power to account, what you just described, one of the things about these newspapers that's changing is as they cut staff, they cut the very people who cover city council or cover a particular beat. it becomes centralized. more of the news in a newspaper comes from a place written by a reporter behind a desk in an entirely different place. >> yeah, that's right. if you look at some of these newspapers, as their newsrooms shrink and as the reporters who live in that community are laid off, what happens is that these papers have to fill their pages with "associated press" copy, "reuters" copy, basically news wires that are headquarters oftentimes in places like new york or washington, d.c. you know, those services are important and they have good journalists working for them, but there's a lot of evidence to show that there is an erosion of
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civic trust and trust in the media when people aren't getting their news from reporters who are their neighbors or who have their same experiences, live in their same communities. people start to think of the media as this kind of distant foreign entity that's scary and misaligned with their values. study after study suggests that local newspapers, local outlets are the most trusted parts of the news media. at a time when the media in general is experiencing a crisis of trust, losing these newspapers, it takes a real call. >> is there any obvious anecdote to this? >> you know, i write it at the end of my piece, a guy named stewart in baltimore who tried to rescue the "baltimore sun" from alden and was not able to do so. he announced that he is starting a pretty sizable non-profit digital newsroom in baltimore to take on the alden-owned "baltimore sun." it'd start with a newsroom next
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year of 50 journalists. annual operating budget of $50 million. it is not nothing. you know, i think he hopes that more philanthropic, civic-minded, wealthy people in these communities will decide to step up and fund new news projects. but, you know, it's an open question, whether that will work. there have been experiments like this in the past that have not. a lot of the people in the industry are watching that experiment closely. >> this is such an important story that you've written. i hope everybody reads it. just to understand the things that are happening around you that you may not even realize just because you're reading the same paper every day. it is written differently. it is written by fewer people. there are fewer stories of direct relevance to you. more stories written by central organizations. really important story, not just about journalism but democracy. mckay, good to see you. thank you, my friend. staff writer at "the atlantic." do not go anywhere. another hour of velshi coming
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up. i'll talk to stacy plaskett, house manager for donald trump's second impeachment trial, about the investigation into january 6th. another hour of "velshi" begins right now. good morning to you. 9:00 a.m. here on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. out west. i'm ali velshi. the house january 6th committee is ramping up its efforts to force administration officials to cooperate with its investigation into one of the most shocking assaults on our democracy in modern times. now, former department of justice official jeffrey clark, who had promised the previous president that he would pursue his bogus election fraud claims, is in the panel's crosshairs. they've hit him with a subpoena this week following a particularly damning senate report, detailing the former president's attempts to coerce the department of justice into helping trump overturn the results of the 2020 election. committee chairman bennie thomps

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