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it's blocked back home by someone in its own party. we've been going two steps forward and one step back on climate for decades now. the latest below from senator manchin tonight is the latest in a serious setback. watch this space. that does it for us tonight. see you tomorrow on my missouri sflinchts good evening be old friend. oh good evening, al y. have a safe weekend. it's great to see you even though remotely. >> thank you, my friend. >> thank you. so it just takes one person to terrorize you. i first heard that line on this very show. two days ago when jennifergenicens, a members of brevard county school board described her experience being terrorized by more than one person because she supports
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wearing masks in schools. you know, just like the cdc does. jennifergenicens talked about people shouting vile things outside her 5-year-old daughter's bedroom window while she was trying to read her a bed time story. how they brandished weapons in front of neighbors and her daughter asks at least twice a week, are the mean people going to be outside again? the minority of people for sure. that helps me. but that's not enough to make a woman who ran for elected office to make a difference in her school district to have really dark days. here's what she told lawrence. >> it just takes one person to terrorize you. and when there is no consequences for it it becomes the norm and becomes acceptable. >> hmm.
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how do you think that happened? you know, i know exactly the moment it happened. this was the moment. it was the moment i knew that donald trump was changing and breaking us and our politics. >> she gets out and starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. and you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her -- wherever. >> that was in 2015. after his first republican primary debate. describing moderator megyn kelly, a big time star on fox news at the time. and i saw -- we all saw that donald trump paid absolutely not price for that. not a political price, or a societal one. he wasn't shamed out of politics. he wasn't ostracized by the republican establishment or the donor class or by conservative
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media outlets. by some but not by enough. how -- how did he get to stay in public life after that? how could we accept this as a standard behavior for any adult, much less a president? and because of their silence, donald trump saw he could get away with it. so he did more. and then he did more. in the end, the access hollywood tape didn't matter to republicans, being accused of sexual misconduct and sexual assault by 26 women didn't matter toenings. every time they stayed silent he did more. and in doing so they created the permission structure for what we're seeing today. and it's ugly. but it's important to understand that there was a moment where we could have gone a whole different way. we didn't. and there is a direct link to what we see today from trump
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supporters. like when dead enders that support donald trump were mad about the election results in michigan and they showed up outside secretary of state jocelyn benson's house while she was putting her son to sleep and putting up christmas decorations or criminals thought they were liberating michigan from covid restrictions plotted to kidnap michigan governor gretchen whitmer. the governor said in a victim impact statement, threats continue. i have looked out my windows and seen large groups of heavily armed people within 30 yards of my home. i have seen myself hung innivegy. days ago as a demonstration there was a sign that called for burning the witch. governors have security. local election officials do not. school board members do not. jennifergenicens does not. heather raymond is the of the of
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the school board in nashua, nuvrp. at a recent meeting of the board police officers had to be on site because of harassment she faced from protesters. heather raymond told "the boston globe," photo, this is my fourth year on the board and the first time we needed to do this. it's not good for our community. the proud boys started showing up at meetings in june and then in july we had the nsc 131 group come. they're neo-nazis and came in full regalea with swastikas on their arms. it didn't have to be this way. you know what, it still shouldn't. joining us now is heather raymond, president of the school board in nashua, new hampshire and parent of a sixth and eighth grader and congresswoman mandela dean of pennsylvania i'm grateful to both of you for being here.
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congresswoman dean, i'll start with you. you started in local government and ran for town commissioner and one of the women candidates who delivered the house for nancy pelosi and democrats in 2018 in that huge wave. i'm really grateful to you tonight, you know, for this topic specifically. what do you think about the way in which donald trump has created essentially a permission structure that has nazis showing up at school board meeting sns. >> well, you know what, let me say as i prepared for the interview and i thought about what you wanted to focus on tonight, my thanks goes to you. thank you for focusing on this. thank you for talking about our heroic volunteer school board members whose focus is our children and their education. there couldn't be anything more important. i've talked to many school board members. and in fact if you don't mind
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behind me i have the map of my district and all the school districts within it. the school board members like we see in fronted of us heather raymond and jennifer jenkins. are in it not for the glory, the money they are in it for our children. what they have faced in the last 18 months and maybe longer is threats, threats to their life, threats to their personal safety, and i just have to say you're heroes, guys. i talk to a bunch of my school board members today in preparation. one school board member literally said to me, it's been pretty unpleasant. i feel sick before every school board meeting, every single time. i do everything i can in my power not to lash out. he said because i'm here for the kids. i'm here for the kids. so you're right. i had the chance to serve at the township level, state level as a
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state representative six and a half years and now at the federal level. but my champions are you, the school board members who are volunteers for our children and care about our children and they should not be subject to the horrendous threats that you're absolutely right, are the ligaments of donald trump and those who support donald trump. >> you know, heather, i honestly at any time know what nsc-131 was. they had to tell me. i had to google that. it's the local -- national socialist club. aka, nazis. so, again, nazis are showing up at your school board meetings. how does that make you feel. >> well, first thank you so much for having me and including me in this conversation. it was pretty hairy there for a while. i didn't think that our little
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community would have these kinds of events happening. so it was scary. it was scary to see people outside our meetings chanting such hateful things. we're a very diverse community. and it doesn't reflect who i thought we were. >> attending a school board meeting is, you know, kind ever like local homework for kids and we don't have civics in school, and we should. heather are the kids aware of what is happening at the meetings that, you know, folks are coming and, you know, spewing violent rhetoric towards members? >> yes, i think -- i think many, many students are aware. we -- i mean, this is new hampshire. everyone has a level of civic engagement. we even have two juniors on our school board has student
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representatives. so they're aware of it. it makes them very uncomfortable. my own kids are aware of it. and they're -- they get concerned about my safety and the safety of fellow board members. we are fortunate here in nashua that we have a nationally ranked police force who have been there for the board members every step of the way, making sure that we're insulated inside the board room and even creating paths to our cars after the board meetings sometimes. >> congresswoman dean, it's so hard to hear this from local election officials. because as i said they're heroes of the community, trying to do what's right for their own kids but also the kids in their communities. what can be done about this? i mean, is there any turning back from the normalization of this kind of behavior? i don't think any parent out there wants their child to behave in this way. and so it's so disturbing to see
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adults treating each other in this way in a school board setting. >> to your point, exactly, zerlina, and the school board members i talked to say the children have no problem, they want to deal sensibly by way of science. they have no difficulty with students wearing masks. the adults frankly in the room, not acting like adults, coming in and anti-vax, anti-mask, and they're causing all this stir, are really sapping the resources from our children who are way ahead of us. they said they're not our problem. the children say we'll wear masks, protect ourselves, protect others. but here is is the other extraordinary grave loss. these folks, these people who run for public office to serve us on school boards throughout this country, as i said, at great risk to themselves now, at
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greater risk to themselves, have no pecuniary gain. this is all using of their own volunteer spirit and believing in our children and their future. their resources are sapped as they have to deal with these zappers, literally threats to their safety. i talked to a school board member today in one of my largest school districts. and they're doing very, very well for the students. but he said, i felt bad for the districts that have very few resources. and they're dealing with the threats. they're not able to focus on the kid. they have to deal with the threats and the people right in front of them. and he said literally in august, as we put furd forward our plan for our children and safety plan that we put forward, he said that the meeting got so out of hand we had to go to a back room, sit in a band room locked in until the crowd could be -- the excited, very negative crowd could be dispersed and they
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could try to safely get to their cars to leave. that is not what's should be going on in america for our children. i'll go go back to heatherer to say thank you, please, god, and jennifer jenkins. and many women by the way, i know you were think bag that as well opinion women, public servants under attack, thank you for what you are doing. our children deserve you and do not deserve the vile attacks happening at you. >> congresswoman. >> what are you going to tell your children -- go ahead. go ahead. >> i was just going to say the congresswoman is absolutely correct. you know, many, many of our people who yell out during your our meeting and disrupt our meeting are people who are against masking, and some of them are parents who have been
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led astray by disinformation. but many are people who travel from place to place, specifically to disrupt meetings. and if you ask our student members of the board or really any students, they don't have a problem with our requirements that students and staff wear masks. they would rather be in school wearing a mask than risk getting covid and having us shut down. and, you know, when we talk about women in local government, our board is the most female in the state of new hampshire. we have eight of our nine members are women. and so i don't know how that played into various hate groups targeting our board specifically as opposed to to other districts. >> zurlina can you tell you one other thing. >> oh, yeah, go ahead. >> what is bascom to me is the dark money that has now filtered into this.
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we have a pac that has generated out of bucks county, pennsylvania, the county directly north of what i represent, montgomery and burks county, $500,000 pac where this gentleman is pouring $10,000 per candidate for school board. if you ever run for local office, $10,000 is a whole lot of money. this is dark money trying to radicalize, frankly, school boards, trying to defeat candidates like the people we're talking about right now, whether heather or jennifer, tina in my district and jen and many other men as well. this -- there is a very single thing going on here in terms of dark money trying to indoctrine eight school board members toward the very, very far right. and toward this is a sadly, i think, anti-children, anti-public health, anti-science
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set of rhetoric. >> heather in the last few minutes here, do you get the sense this is an orchestrated thing that this is not a random thing where, you know a group of people in the community are showing up, that it's organized in some way by some of the groups? >> i think it's both. so in my community we definitely have impassioned parents. and i have so much compassion for them. i will never interfere with their ability to speak during the public comments period. but we also have some very and i government libertarian groups operating here in new hampshire. and they have absolutely been to my school board meetings. and the congresswoman was mentioning money in local school board races. i'm running for office again this year. and i typically raise about $1,000. and that's enough to, you know, purchase signs, and a little bit
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of literature. but we see people in this race raising tens of thousands of dollars. so they're not getting these little $10 and $25 donations from local people in the community. and as of yet i don't know where their money is coming from. i haven't seen any reporting in our filing period with the city was last week to report our donations. so it will be interesting to me to see what has been reported when that becomes publicly available. >> well we should definitely all pay very close attention to that, because i do believe some of these divisions are being exacerbated by outside forces with -- with an agenda. and it's not just some naturally occurring thing. although donald trump, i believe, was the catalyst. congresswoman mandela dean and heather raymond thank you for being here tonight. a great conversation.
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very important. please stay safe. and joining us now ana marie cox veteran journalist and host of the podcast with friends like these. and that marie we thought donald trump was just the disease. i think he in a big role in creating this permission structure. but what does he actually say about the rest of us? because he might just be a symptom of something else? >> oh, i think it's a symptom. i really do. i think that -- i mean, i love everything you are saying. but i feel like i need to point out, the percentages structure it's not that it didn't exist prior to donald trump. it was more underground. and that it just became public in this way that a lot of women recognized, right. we have all heard the kinds of trump was saying we just didn't hear them in public. in some ways i feel like the kinds of racism and xenophobia and miss oxygenny trump brought to our faces.
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it's a kind of gift. we had to look at this part of our country. we had look at what was happening. we couldn't go merely along and pretend we were just progressing. like we had to wake up and we have woken up. and i was just thinking looking for the right metaphor for every new branch on the permission structure we have 100 women with hacksaws and axes climbing up and trying to take it down. look at this panel. look a this panel. all female panel. that school board, almost all women. you know, i think that we are the ones we have been waiting for as they say, right. we need to do this. it's not -- i don't want to sound like poly anna. it's not easy. i have a lot of privilege in saying this it takes a kplunt to do it. and a community we're not used to. making the community more diverse than we have had before and being a little uncomfortable about that. but i love what you were saying that quote from ms. jenkins it
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takes one person to terrorize you. that's true. it takes a community silence to let that terror continue. but it also can be a community that stops that terror. so weirdly i'm hopeful. this very panel makes me hopeful. >> well, no, i am hopeful. i have to be. honestly like i'm sitting literally right now in front of a photo of my grandfather who marched in selma. if i wake up -- hope is required in this house. that would be silly, right. i wouldn't be sitting here without that hope. somebody had to hope. but how do we turn back? like, i -- so i want to play an ad that i think is very present in this particular moment. because i keep think bag it and we were talking about school boards. it's the one hillary clinton ran in 2016. it was called our children are watching. here's part of it. >> when mexico sends its peemt they're bringing drugs, bringing crime, they're raichists.
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you know you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. you got to see this guy. i don't know what i said. i don't remember. he is like i don't remember. >> how do we correct in now? because at the time that resonated -- and i don't even have kids. but that resonated with me because i was like i certainly don't want the next generation of humans to act like donald trump. how do we put this evil genie back in the bottle? >> it takes a community. i will say it again. the phrase that occurred to me while we were listening while i was listening to the previous segment is keep calm and run for school board. we have to get involved, right and have to show up for the meetings that aren't as fun as the march on washington which there was such activity and such power that was generated out of our anger at trump, right. like we took that anger and did
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stuff with it. it's harder to sustain that and i'm kind of glad it's harder to sustain that. but this is where the real work happens, right. is on the day to day level where we don't necessarily have our pink hats on have to show up to the local school board which shout out if you know where your local school board meets. vilde to look it up myself. i'll tell you, my heros in this community roo the people working on the school board, the people working on the county government in austin, texas. let me tell you people working in our county and city governments are heroes. not all of them are women. but they're the ones that have to stand up to this state government. and, you know, i'm sure it gets tiring. i'm sure it's tiring. and so i think if we can just remember the anger that we felt and then turn that into a sustained energy for pushing the ball along, right. like we did something great.
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awesome. work is still -- god, so much work to be done you'd know better than most. i want to tell people, again, one person to terrorize you, a community can save you. be a part of that community. >> i think that's such a good message. and my radio cohost jess mcintosh says it's a relay race you pick up the baton from somebody else. pick up the baton, everybody start running. ana marie cox, thank you for joining. a good conversation. it's really important. please stay safe. coming up two texas democrats react to the breaking news from austin tonight. react to the breaking news from austin tonight ♪ when you have nausea, ♪ ♪ heartburn, ingestion, upset stomach... ♪ ♪ diarrheaaaa. ♪ pepto bismol coats your stomach with fast and soothing relief. and try new drug free pepto herbal blends. made from 100% natural ginger and peppermint. does your deodorant keep you fresh all day? we put dove men deodorant to the test with nelson, a volunteer that puts care into everything he does. it really protects my skin.
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republican-led statehouse passed a bill forcing transgender student athletes to play on sports teams associated with the gender assigned at birth. the justice department is still fighting the near ban on abortion in texas, saying today it will again ask the supreme court to block the law after a federal appeals court upheld it. and breaking tonight, texas senate republicans followed the lead of the statehouse, approving redirecting maps that create more districts with white majorities, even though voters of color outnumber them stayedwide. but this party platform is not outlier. texas republicans might as well be writing the playbook for the gop nationwide strategy. joining us now are democratic state representative rafael ancnia and -- i want to you listen to some of your
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colleagues debating the anti-transbill i mentioned. >> the bill is designed knowing the kids will be harmed. and that's a price that some are willing to pay. for grown adults to score symbolic points in a fight they chose over a fiction. >> if one transchild dies to protect someone's damn trophy, this bill is grotesque. >> we're not protecting women. we're not protecting girls. not tonight, not four years ago when we said we were doing the bathroom bill. it's more games. we're playing games with the people who we represent. >> democrats argued this bill isn't necessary and will cause irreparable harm. what is the republican response to that? >> well there is no response. the pretext is that they're trying to save women's sports. we know that's for the true. they couldn't name a situation where a transgirl took the place of another girl, either in
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competition or in practice. in fact they went so far as to to say girls and boys could no longer practice together. that's how extreme the bill was. the reality is that this whole session has been extreme. we've been in session for all but six weeks of 2021. they passed anti-voter bills wbts anti-abortion bills and have gone where i didn't expect. i knew it was an extreme exception. i didn't think it would be this bad. i've served nine sessions now in the texas legislature. and really republicans have gone off the deep end. it's all in the furtherance of political ambition of our governor greg abbott not only running for re-election but running for president. he can't -- he can't stop himself from going to crazitown when he sees kristy name and ron distant i suppose do things in their state. he is leading texas off a cliff >> state rep crock et let's talk about the harm caused by the
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anti-abortion law. which i think -- it's all the laws working together and the harm that they all create in different ways. and the dallas morning news reports in just one recent month, seven pregnant 12-year-olds and their caregivers sought help at the dallas children's advocacy center handling the most serious sexual abuse cases in the county. staff members told of recent rape victims as young as nine, the advocacy center shared stories of 12-year-olds trying to find maternity clothes. girls attending the neighborhood school as the pregnancy progresses and a bewildered children who believe their own bodies have become alien beings. that's really hard to read. but that's the reality and important for people to understand that. why do you think texas republicans went this extreme? i mean, 12-year-olds and 9-year-old children should not have to go through this.
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>> you know, there is no excuse for what they're doing. it's -- it's one thing to be a lawmaker and to be entrusted with making laws that make sense for adults. it's another thing to be entrusted with the responsibility to take care of our children and the fact that this lirpgt with all the problems that we have and the midst of covid, in the midst of a failed power grid drama we had in the state of texas, you just wouldn't think they would go after clirn in the way they did. but with this anti-abortion bill they went after our kids, went after our kids as it relates to the anti-translegislation, because one thing that we know for sure when it comes to our transchildren, even our lgbtq ia youth we know there is a higher incidence of homelessness, higher incidents relates to mental health disturbances within their community. what we also know is there was no issue as it relates to
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transchildren hey playing sports. and so the idea that they have sunken -- gone to the sunken place as it relates to dealing with children is just ridiculous. and i think that they just don't know where to go, because they were used to trump bringing out all of the extremists. so now they are pushing whatever buttons they believe it takes to get the same extremists excited enough to show up to the voting booth. and it's sad they are using children as pawns. the party that claims to be so pro-life is anything but prolife when it comes to our children and taking care of them. >> well, and also the death penalty, which is the thing i always bring up when folks say that they are prolife but they support the death penalty. i don't know if that makes quite the sense you think. but state rep anchia, it feels frustrating to watch extreme republicans, you know, as somebody who supports choice,
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who supports progressive pieces of policy. and it's hard as a voter in texas to push back, because of extreme gerrymandering. experiment r. burmen tweeted the racial impact of the maps in texas, which is majority, minority for folks at home means white people are a minority. that's what that means. his tweet. you see on the screen there. i mean, how do democrats push back? this is a minority of people. right white voters and the extreme supporters of republicans are a minority of voters in texas. how do you push back? >> well texas has been a minority/majority state for some time now. in fact, the census results showed that latinos alone are larger that than the anglo population. when you look at the growth, 95% have been people of color, including the african-american community and the explosive
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growth in the asian community. yet, the maps they pass today have fewer districts where latinos and african-americans can elect a candidate of their choice. this is straight out of the playbook of the last decade, where three federal courts found intentional, not casual discrimination but intentional discrimination on ten different occasions on voting rights matters both redirecting and strict photo id where they determine the texas lirpgt wanted to zrimt against latinos and african-americans and doing it again. doing it again in the redirecting cycle. latinos should have about 44 seats on a proportional basis in the legislature. they are in their maps they have 30 seats. african-americans dialing back from seven seats to four seats. and so -- and over and over and goevr over again despite 95%. i don't know about you but 95% not quite 100% but it's the whole enchilada. and yet they double down on
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intentional discrimination, trying to draw us back. why to hold on to power. it's brazen. they have provided the public very little opportunity for public input. they have drawn lines straight through african-american communities in open committee. and they know what they're doing. they just don't care. and they got away with it last decade. and they're trying to get away with it again. and that's why we need federal legislation to protect the freedom to vote for millions of texans. we need to reform the filibuster appear get that done. i'm so glad the senate is moving on that this week. >> well, let's, i think as a texas voter who supports democracy, if senators maybe kirsten sinema and joe manchin are listening you heard from these two representatives. thank you so much for being here tonight. have a great weekend and stay safe.
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joining us now is harris county attorney christian minifi. i wanted to talk about abbott's ban on vaccine mandates. as we talked about the other extreme policy texas is now pushing, it feels like banning vaccine mandates should fit in that group. how are businesses in texas handling that? >> well, first of all thank you very much for having me on tonight. governor abbott loves to say texas is open for business. but the ban on vaccine mandates is about as anti-business as it gets. it strips away choice from businesses who are trying to make tough decisions about keeping employees, customers most safe during this pandemic. because of other executive orders the governor has issued tying local officials hands. what we have seen is throughout the state, you have seen chambers of customers, business groups, seen large institutional businesses like southwest airlines or american airlines, come out and say we're follow
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what the federal government told us to do. we're employers with more than 100 employees are to mandate the vaccine. i think this was exactly what the governor wanted put the businesses in tough position of getting sued for violating the federal government government rule or potentially sued for violating the governor's executive order. it's bad business for texas. and it's bad policy for texas as well. >> in the last minute here do you think that it's costing people's lives for him to prohibit small businesses from putting mandates in place? >> absolutely. this is something we have seen time and time again with governor abbott. originally it was a ban on local officials issues any type of mask mandates. and my office represents the largest county in the state of texas, harris county encompassing the houston area. we filed a lawsuit against the governor and the attorney general to push back because schools opened up. we had students going back to
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school. of course students of a certain age aren't able to get vaccinated. you have the breeding grounds for the vaccine. and folks to potentially get sick. the governor time and time again issued more and more executive orders that are intended to tie our hands. to have these measures that stop us from keeping other people safe. and, you know, again it's bad business for texas. bad policy for texas. right now texas is number two in the country for covid deaths. and so we need local officials to keep people safe. we need businesses to keep people safe and need our state leaders to stop tying our hands in this process. >> i want everybody to stay safe. i say it at the tend of every segment. harris county attorney christian meneffee please stay safe. thank you. new fundraising numbers are good news for democrats in the mid-ferms. and trump telling republicans not to vote. we'll talk to david plough about
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with three weeks to go until the virginia governor's raise, the fox news poll found terry kmaul i have has the support of 93% of democrats who voted for joe biden in 2020. the democrats are all right. the approval ratingen for biden ticking up to 50%. democrats feel all right about that. in midterm news democrats beat republicans in quarterly fundraising by $10 million. joining us now david plouv, an msnbc political analyst. i should start by saying that i started in politics as a field organizer notice virginia for the campaign you were manager of, the 2008 obama campaign. so it is great to have you here tonight. thank you for being here. >> great to be with you zurlene.
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did a great job then. great job now. >> thank you there was a lot of walking up and down hills in a hot summer here in virginia. so some -- some great fundraising numbers there. and some really critical races. how do democrats turn that cash into votes for this upcoming election but also next year's midterm elections? it feels like that money has to go towards turnout, right? >> well, sure. i think it's good news. my strong suspicions is democrats are not going to lose close house races or snt senate races because of money. the question is next layer or two of activism as you saw in virginia '08. writing post cards, we'll be back to full on canvassing. people needing to turn out who might not have a history of turning out. we'll learn quite a bit in the virginia governor race about that, lessons learned next year. but i think vote share is not
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the issue. you mention the poll showing kmaul i have getting almost 95% of biden supporters. i think terry is getting the vote share among swing and base voter groups. the question is turnout. that will be the riddle that both parties need to solve for '22. >> one of the weird things happening right now is donald trump is encouraging his folks not to vote. he put out a statement saying if we don't solve the presidential election fraud of 2020 which is capitalized as if that's a thing. which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented, also not true, republicans will vote in '22 or '24 it's the single most important thing for republicans to do. that going to work? i feel like you don't want to tell the republicans not to vote if you want to win an election which requires votes. >> yeah. you'd think. it is historical political malpractice, if it gets properly
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weaponized. so for the next couple of weeks of virginia, most i think pressingly next year with good data as you know we know who of republican voters are who might be less inclined to vote. you need to keep the comments in front of them through advertising and really just sharing trumps comments. because joe biden will still be president. and donald trump saying if that is the case if somehow the election is not overturned you shouldn't bother voting. we saw in georgia in the senate runoffs that that dynamic of trump basically and his allies question legitimacy of elections hurt. this is more destructive. but only if democrats candidates and groups are really smart about making sure that message staying in front of those unlikely republican voters. and, again, the republicans yeah democrats have turnout challenge in off year elections but the republicans have to bring a lot of voters who goelman owe only got involved in pliks because of donald trump.
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and he is saying don't bother. so, yes, it could be quite a factor if, again, that's utilized properly. >> one of the things happening right now that reminds me of the obama administration is the fact that you know, it took a while to get obamacare passed. there was a lot going on. it was an up and down battle that was, like, you never really knew what was going to happen. in similar fashion, the two infrastructure bills here are going up and down, up and down. still uncertain. how important is it, though, that these bills pass to motivate democrats to turn out? >> critically important. and listen with obamacare one thing i -- as you know, the benefits of that didn't kick in for a while. okay. most of the benefits of the two packages will begin to kick in right away. so democrats can do storytelling. i understand the anxiety and i share it that this is too hard and too complicated.
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but maybe i'll regret these words. they're going to pass. the only thing worse than individual members not getting exactly what they want is nothing getting done. and this is a historical opportunity. so right now i think to the casual voter all they see is democrats arguing over trillions is it getting done? once it gets passed you need to to go out and talk about all the elements of it how people benefit. you know the place you need to start is not necessarily people who voted republican in the last couple elections you want to convince. it's all the people voting democrat and saying you gave us the presidency. you gave us the senate and gave us the house. here is what we did. we took axe on your behalf. yeah, i mean my guess is the next year every democratic candidate certainly every democratic incumbent and white house needs to be out there every day every week animating this so it's not a big washington spending bill. it's something that matters in people's living rooms and homes. >> david plouffe, thank you for joining us. please stay safe.
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one way to beat back republican voter suppression? democratic voter engagement, doing the work on the ground. i love it. former field organizer here. a group called the new north carolina project is working to mobilize 100,000 people of color who were eligible to vote but didn't vote in 2020. joining us now is the executive director of the new north carolina project, amy seal. and amy, your group hopes to register and mobilize more than 100,000 eligible voters for the 2022 midterms. i mean, we know margins. that is enough to win many elections. the long-term strategy is actually to register 90% of eligible voters in north
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carolina by 2030. how will you do that? >> well, zerlina, first of all, thank you so much for having me. i think the best way to do that is to really invest in communities of color and ensure these communities thrive by organizing long-term infrastructure. we plan to really engage people from communities of color in the work to organize their communities, hire them, train them and educate them on the importance of exercising their power and right to vote. no longer is it okay to assume these monolithic -- these groups of color, rather, are monolithic and they're going to vote a certain way. we have to organize similar to what you did in the '08 obama campaign. >> oh, yeah, i think president obama really created the template, i think, for effectively organizing. he has the history as a community organizer.
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you have experience as a candidate in north carolina, narrowly losing two close state house elections in '18 and 2020. how do you think your experience as a former candidate and understanding how this process works helps you, and how do you talk about your state to folks who are thinking about getting into the races? >> absolutely. so, we know we have two critical -- or several rather critical races coming up in 2022. but, yes, my experience as a candidate running for state house in 2018 and 2020 really prepared me for standing up a field operation when in 2018 we weren't a targeted race. so, i think it truly showed me the ability or the efficacy around standing up a ground game and really getting out there into the community so people can see me and know that i was really fighting. >> it's so important. field organizing is the key.
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that is tonight's last word. you can catch me every weeknight at 6:00 p.m. eastern on the choice from msnbc exclusively on peacock. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. friday night. good evening once again. day 269 of the biden administration. tonight as the january 6th committee prepares to go after trump ally steve bannon for defying its subpoena, a process that is just getting underway, today the president added his full throated support for their mission. >> i hope that the committee goes after them and holds them accountable. >> should they be prosecuted by the justice department? >> i do, yes. >> not long after that,

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