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decades. two icons. infatuations. >> love you ari love you, harry. >> thank you. there it is. fall back. that's what i'm going to do. my time is up. "the reidout" with joy reid is up. >> all you need know is a delicious fish dinner. a fight of texas size proportions a. law signed by abortion bounty hunter greg abbott limits conversations about race in history in schools with one school administrator using the law to urge teachers to include opposing view points on, on the holocaust? >> make sure that if you have a book on the hole cast that you have one that has an opposing, that has -- >> how do you oppose the
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holocaust? >> what? >> believe me, that's come up. >> the super inten demt of that school district has since apologized but the texas law is still in the books helping to emboldened parents that impose any idea or conversation on anything that might make white people feel bad. elevating one group, white christian america's feelings over the facts about history as if jewish children haven't had to process their feelings about facts like the state sponsored persecution and murder of 6 million jewish people by the nazi regime and black children for the entire history of this country haven't had to process their feelings about facts like the kidnapping of millions of africans throughout the new world who were forced to endure the soul crushing torture of slavery by lynching and jim crow if they were even taught about the facts. in the whitewashed daughters of confederate dictated non-white children are expected to suck it
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up and sorry, asian-american kids, all you get are the chinese built the railroads. they need to deal with that. facts. not feelings. but somehow, white kids according to the american right just cannot be expected to handle hearing about non-heroic white people in history, breaks their little spirits. tennessee also has a law restricting teachings about race and empowering parents to ban books like "ruby britches goes to school" written by one of the first black children to integrate in new orleans. the irony is not lost on us, how a mob of angry white parents is trying to ban a book that describes an angry mob of white parents but at least, here we are. in tennessee books on the chopping block are one about martin luther king junior and seahorses, seahorses because god forbid we speak of any male carrying the eggs. the party that's supposedly all
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about the personal freedom to stay unvaxed and ineffect others and die is more than willing to take away the rights of others. in this case, the right of teachers and students to pursue knowledge in any direction they please. it called critical thinking. try it out. it's also called academic freedom and once we take that away, it is a slippery slope from there toward another thing called fascism and doesn't end there. the bedrock of academic freedom is at risk in georgia where the public university system will now let college administrators remove a tenured professor with little or no faculty input. the book banning and genocides and slavery and segregation, the expectation that our schools portray white people only as the master race. it's being framed as a parental rights issue. but those parents are the pawns. this is an election strategy to wipe up the theory so those very parents will elect republicans.
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look no further than virginia where republican trump endorsed nominee is beating the anti crt drums every day to gin up votes. joining me now former secretary of education under president obama john king junior who is running for governor of maryland. host of the dean show and msnbc columnist and tom nickles, contributing writer for "the atlantic" and author of "our own worst enemy, the assault from within our democracy." tom, you talk a lot about how people sort of sense of whine ing entitlement and boredom is creating a mantra of i need to feel good all the time. my kids need to feel good. it will hurt their spirits if they hear about slavery. it's too much, too much, too much. what do you make of the idea that's gone so far people are objecting about the teaching of the holocaust?
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>> these are people who think they are on the losing end of a culture war and lost several confidence about the things they believe in. one of the things that i think characterized the movement 35, 40 years ago it was almost over confident there was that kind of sunny optimism that our ideas are so good that we don't really have to explain them. they're just that good and they'll win in the marketplace of ideas. now you have people basically saying you have to shutdown the marketplace of ideas and destroy the universities, you have to implement censorship because deep down and this is always the case, you know, john said it about fanitics. every fanatic harbors a secret doubt and this is a group of people, i think, yes, they're board and want to be entertained and feel entitled but deep down inside, they're fearing maybe they're wrong and that's what really scares them.
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>> you know, that is an interesting explanation, dean. it is very hard to figure out what is both sides you can do on the holocaust. there isn't another side. i'm old enough to remember when the bush administration would put out holocaust remembrance day messages with not mentioning jewish people. you know what i mean? sort of did a little both sides weirdness during administration but there actually isn't another side. so how do you explain in your view what is this about? this desire to hold white kids in this little bubble where apparently, their parents think they're not strong enough to handle hearing white people were the slave owners? >> i think the texas republicans have created a white disneyworld over there for white fragile people. they do anything they want. only the base is happy. look, they ban mandates on vaccines and on masks but they mandate women who are raped to carry the fetus of the rapist and mandate people on both sides
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of the hoocaust there are no two sides to the holocaust. this is despicable. that conversation you played of the lesson, the explanation was because days before a fourth grade teacher had been publicly reprimanded by the school board for daring to have in her library at school a book on anti racism. she didn't even teach it but how dare you because the white fragility. do you think an 11-year-old kid is fragile? they go home and talk to their parents and now we'll have an awkward conversation about our uncle and what he did. that's what is going on. it personal fragility of the right white. >> to go through some of the things starting with two for high producers. the number of states that banned race and gender education, idaho, oklahoma, tennessee, texas, arizona, south carolina banned by state boards of education, alabama, georgia, florida and utah. a texas school district
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reinstated a book by an author of a book called "new kid" and literally is a book about new kids trying to fit in at a school of a different race. they had to go through and look at it. houston chronicle talks about because of a challenge -- because of his challenger, governor abbott has removed a web page with a suicide hot line for lgbtq youth because that's too dangerous to have a black student suspended in georgia to plan a protest against the confederal flag. i can go on and on and on with the examples. as somebody who yourself has a history in terms of education, what do you think the threat is here? because if parents are allowed to say i don't like that dr. king book because there is no other side to the civil rights movement, you're not giving the other side of the story so take that dr. king book out. what do you think that threat is or taking out tenure in georgia? >> this is a war on teachers,
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this is a war on teaching and a war on truth ultimately. it's very dangerous to the health of our democracy. look, i'm talking to you from silver spring maryland 25 miles from where my great grand father was enslaved in gathers burg maryland. that happened. that's the truth. so many of our challenges are tied to that history around slavery and segregation and red lining. we can't wish it away. we can't bury it. if we do, we risk undermining our ability to improve our society. and that sadly, i think is the hope here that we sort of freeze our society in the systemic racism that plagued us since the beginning. >> i believe the place where john booth hid out was maryland, harriet tubman. >> some of it is disingenuous. a couple months ago he pretends
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to be a scholar in critical race theory, which he's not. he's the guy with a political agenda to try to use this issue to get more people to vote republican and he actually admitted that. which is helpful that he did this thing at the claremont institute behind these uprisings in schools. here he is admitting he actually really doesn't care about these issues at all. >> there is these, like, very kind of pathetic and very, you know, angry graduate students that, you know, try to fight me on these highly technical, you know, heckle interpretations. i don't have time for this. i don't give a [ bleep ] about this stuff. >> it isn't even real, tom. >> no, and, you know, i think one of the things that people out there should stop doing is stop taking the bait for a lot of bad faith disagreements, you know, about do you really understand communism.
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what is socialism? these are just trigger words. these are meant to constantly trigger a kind of rush of anger hormones in people to keep them really, you know, part of it is an electoral strategy also a huge grift to keep people's eyeballs glued to television sets to say you must constantly be afraid and unless you listen to us and unless you watch this broadcast, unless you read this website, they're coming to your children and turn them into marksmen, it terrible. nobody knows what it means but they'll turn your children into that and that's not you. that's just something different from you. and so, you know, it is refreshing when folks out there in these movements simply say yeah, we don't care about that stuff. >> yeah. >> but it makes them no less dangerous because -- >> absolutely. >> the whole point is to keep
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people in a state of rage constantly. >> dean, it worked in talk radio for generations. that was rush limbaugh's game, keep everyone afraid and on edge and it works at fox news, as well. >> i promise i'm not doing it. maybe a little bit. in 1984 whoever controls the past controls the future and that's what we're seeing with the gop. they're rewriting the past. everything, joy, everything the republicans do, everything is about power. it's about acquiring it or retaining it so whatever they're doing in rewriting history, creating a white ma thol gee that exists, all of that is for power. the same thing tom talked about getting people worked up is about power. it tyranny of the manorty and going through difficult times and i'll say, when i see the gop is no longer a political move ment, it's a warning for what we're seeing in this country.
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we're one step from book burning going on in texas. let's be blunt. we're in a dangerous place as a nation. >> yeah, we absolutely are. john, last word on this. if you grew up like i grew up, we didn't -- our feelings were not taken into account when all we learned about being a black person in america is slavery, that that is your identity almost. and then they jump forward to i have a dream and dr. king was really nice to white people and that's it. for asian-american kids, we have dean here, there is nothing about muslims in this country about education. asian-americans get almost nothing and all these other kids are expected to deal with that and try to on their own when they get to college figure out the real history of their people. i think it actually insulting. these parents are insulting their children, these white parents that think their kids will break like glass if they learn history. your thoughts? >> yeah, look, we need all of our kids to appreciate the
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diverse contributions of different folks to our history. i wrote a piece recently that folks can find on john king for about my uncle who is a tuskegee airman. he persevered through incredible discrimination to become a pilot and serve this country. he put out his flag every day. he was a patriot. he helped us win world war ii and he also realized that there was discrimination in our society and had a critique and we are big enough as a country and as people to both admire the principles of democracy and equality and also have a critique of the ways we have fallen short. we can do that as a society. our kids can do that and that's what should be happening in our social studies classrooms. >> if we're prepared to be grownups and to love democracy. tom nickles, dean, father or motherer -- former secretary john king. president biden weighed in
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on what should happen to those who defy subpoenas that of the january 6th committee. congressman adam schiff who is a member of the committee joins me next. plus, why the 2020s are starting to look like the 1920s with exploited workers dealing with greed, and more challenges . the growing power of latinos, the castro brothers. they join me tonight together. "the reidout" continues after this. ut" continues after this woman: i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months after just two doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or coughs or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ woman: talk to your dermatologist about skyrizi.
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or go online today. on tuesday the select committee will hold a vote to refer steve bannon for contempt after he refused to compile with the subpoena on yesterday. just moments ago president biden was asked for witnesses like
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bannon why he did defied the commit. >> i hope the committee goes after them and holds them accountable. >> reporter: should they be prosecuted? >> i do. yes. >> like wise, the chairman of the committee benny thompson made clear on this show tonight once that criminal referral is submitted to the justice department, attorney general merrick garland must do his job and bring charges. >> we will put this before the united states house of representatives, ask for a criminal referral. if we get the votes, the speaker will then transmit that document to merrick garland and he has to do his job. >> if prosecuted and convicted, bannon could face a fine and prison time. this committee is indeed working at speed. over the last month they issued
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subpoenas that from 19 individuals in addition to the witnesses. adam schiff did not rule out witnesses for higher profile. congressman adam schiff of the california, a member of the select committee on the january 6th attack and author of "midnight in washington how we almost lost our democracy and still could." thank you for being here. congratulations on the success of the book. let's get right to the last point. in your view, if the justice department does not fully hold accountable steve bannon to show up and honor these subpoenas that, would you agree with me there would be no hope of ever being able to obtain testimony from people like senate -- i mean, house minority leader mccarthy. >> it's very hard to see how we can get timely information if we can't enforce our own subpoenas that. this is an early test whether
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our democracy is recovering and the principle nobody is above the law and the law applies equally to evening. we're encouraged to hear what president biden said today that he thinks our committee should e and believes they should be prosecuted. i'm very, very impressed the biden white house is not asserting privilege to interview top justice officials and prevent us from getting the records we need to help inform the public, another sign i think that the biden administration really is committed to restoring our democracy and the principle of the rule of law. >> you know, professor lawrence tribe, he and others have expressed some concern. i have expressed some concern on this program that merrick garland, our attorney general may not have the small c constitution, you know, the fortitude or maybe too nervous about the broader implications
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of going after the former president of the united states for any role he may have played in the insurrection and even on down to his supporters. do you have those concerns? >> look, i think on the natural -- i don't know the attorney general personally, i think he is a very forward looking many earn and while i admire that, we cannot ignore what is taking place in the past. we cannot ignore for example that the former president of the united states among many other acts was on the phone with the secretary of state of georgia urging that secretary of state to find11,780 votes that don't exist. i think practically anyone else that did that would be under indictment already. now, there may come a time you make a decision is it in the best interest of the country to prosecute but you still have to do the investigation before you can even ask that question. and it does concern me that i don't see any signs of some of
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the wrongdoing of the former president even be investigated but i'm very encouraged on the most immediate need of our committee that the justice department, merrick garland's justice department is allowing us access to very top level people and not standing in the way and i think that's enormously important. >> let me read a little bit from your book. i'll read it to you for just a moment. this is what you write. our system of government depends on two functions parties and now we had only one. the gop had become an anti truth undemocratic cult organized around the former president. for a brief moment when emotions around the insurrection were high and public sentiment was deep, mccarthy, mitch mcconnell has casted him aside. like a candle in the breeze, their flirtation flickered and died when that was extinguished, process from the damage inflicted by the liars died along with it. we had tom nickles on earlier in
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the previous segment and he's talked about this party is sort of late stage involvement of sort of functioning within the government that have power but choose to co-mingle with the autocrat, to give in and go along, to co-conspire. are you concerned that the republican party so so far gone there really is almost no one left willing to stand up to those autocrat impulses of the former president? >> there are people who are showing great courage and standing up defending the truth, defending our elections. i think liz cheney, adam king -- adam king sinker among them. you do see this dangerous more than flirtation with the athor -- atore tar yes m. you see it in hungary, the scheduling of conservative and
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efforts at home to strip indepersonal dent elections officials of their jobs and their responsibilities and give them over to partisan boards and legislators. this is how democracies die when the instruments of democracy are used against democracy itself. there may be another attack on the capitol. the former president is pushing out the big lie that led to the first attack. i'm confident if there is another bloody attack on the capitol, it will fail like the last one but what may succeed are efforts around the country, the insurrection by people in suits and ties. >> if the elections next year go as history suggestions and kevin mccarthy winds up with the speaker's gavel, in your view, what will be the consequences of that? >> look, if kevin mccarthy had been speaker during the last presidential election, they would have desertfied the
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results. and we would be in a state of constitutional crisis. someone like that unwilling to uphold their oath, unwilling to fulfill their constitutional duty can never be allowed to have that responsibility. moreover, if kevin mccarthy is speaker, donald trump is speaker because mccarthy will not stand up to him no matter how unethical the demand. as long as the gop and leadership are a cult, autocrat cult around the former president, there is no accommodating that. they just need to be beaten at the polls. >> i cannot say i disagree with you, sir. congressman, adam schiff thank you for all you've done to defend this democracy. i can just give you an amen on this friday. thank you very much. appreciate what you do, thank you, best of luck with the buck. >> coming up on "the reidout" it's starting to feel like we
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school? the roaring '20s toward capitalism for the rich and inequality and horrible working conditions for the poor. dressed up as "the new york times" described the brave new world. the right loves the 1920s. what do you think about it? this is the era of exclusion the america of the melting pot and labor strikes after world war one but they were very anti union that saying unions were communist. the rich got richer thanks to the huge tax cuts and many americans got much, much poorer. not so different today with covid only exacerbating our issues with inequality. we're seeing workers throughout the country unionizing. they're fed up with bad working conditions and don't pay enough
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for them to afford child care with 4.3 million people quitting their jobs in august that led to a shortage of truck drivers that contributed to a huge supply problem raising prices and delaying shipments of goods and a postal service slow down that could delay your packages. now has a huge contract with the post office itself. of course, the right wants to blame this upheaval on joe biden and the pandemic stimulus that decreased poverty on the united states. but as michael wrote, those who blame the handouts for the labor shortages are missing the point. people are sick of crap jobs for crap wages. i'm joined by the editor of "the new republic" and economist, author and dean at cal state los angeles. michael, long time no see. great to talk to both of you. let's start with some breaking
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news. speaking of jobs that are in many ways killer, the coal industry is tough. in someways it's one of the few ways you can make a descent living in some states like west virginia but it also is detrimental at the health. there is black lung disease and issues that have to do with the health of the people doing the job. this is breaking news that just happened very recently. it appears because of senator joe mansion of west virginia, he has told the white house he strongly opposes the clean electricity program that's in the sort of super infrastructure bill. so according to three people as a result white house staffers are rewriting it without the climate provision and trying to cobble together a mix of policies that could cut emissions. this bill 3.5 trillion down is going to have nothing, nothing, nothing to slow down coal. and i just am curious to get your thoughts. >> well, i'm not happy about it.
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you know, joy, i'm from west virginia and i grew up there. i know a lot about the politics, a good amount about the politics and the economics of the state. there aren't as many coal miners when i was a kid. there were 150,000 in the state. 120,000. unionized, good jobs. now i think there are about 10,000. mining, by the way, the same amount of coal, because of automation and technology in these massive machines they have that cut the tops off muntains so it doesn't really affect as many jobs anymore and by the way, news flash, this did not start under barack obama. this started in the 1980s and it was really driven by technology changes. it wasn't ronald reagan's fault either. it's driven by technology and the search for sources of energy other than fossil fuels. so it's a long term thing and we
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do need to love away from fossil fuels. i think even most people in the state of west virginia if you got them at an honest moment recognize that. it's very easy for politicians to say this is a great threat to our way of life and so many people do feel that emotionally and steps do have to be taken to help the workers who are displaced by this. 10,000 is still 10,000 and there are associated jobs that go along with that. so, you know, things have to be done for those workers and for the communities in southern west virginia that are in horrible, horrible shape. i want to be the first to say that. a change does have to come and joe mansion is going to have to reckon with that one of these days. >> apparently, he doesn't want to. thank you and great to see you. what strikes me about this era, we seem to be going back to -- i often said people claim the right wants to take america back to the '50s but it's the '20s
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they want and i had conservatives say it was the golden era because you're talking about in income taxes, none or very little. you're talking about even child labor being legal which some said maybe we should bring back and workers having almost no rights and union rights being minimal and immigration being cut off from non-white countries. it sort of ideal and feels like workers right now are in a similar struggle people on strike because they're fed up with low wages and the conditions, et cetera. your thoughts? >> michael's piece is spot on. nobody wants that. what happened is that covid essentially allowed people to reasses their lives. you have people who would rather have a lower paying job with benefits than a contract job that pays very well but has no benefits and they have to cut health care themselves. this notion of a labor shortage is basically for lack of a
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better word butt backwards. if you pay people more, they'll work. it's very, very simple. you can't say we have a labor shortage. of course, you have a labor shortage where you're paying people even $15 an hour. $15 an hour is $30,000 a year. that is just at the poverty line for a family of four. about $27,000 for a family of four. you're right there. and you have very little wiggle room. moms have rethought -- 4 million people left the labor market last month. moms were more than half of it. women were more than half. why would women stay home? no child care. delta variant. the list is as long as my arm. there are so many reasons people would stay home. we have not paid attention to workers in a very long time. we haven't paid attention -- i used to write about in the '80s family friendly policies for workers. only 3% of employers have any kind of child care provisions on
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site. so you're a nurse. your child has the sniffles. you don't want to send her to school. what do you do? you don't go to work or if your hospital very rarely has emergency child care, most places don't. we are treating people like they're donkeys. you expect people to work until they drop and a lot of people are saying oh, no, we're not going there. that was $300 of the benefit is gone. it's because people have had it. people have basically had it with the terms and conditions of work and in some cases people are striking. if you look at the hollywood strike, they're not -- they want more money, of course but some of these people say they work 12-hour days and without a meal break. >> yeah. >> that's absurd. that's inhumane. nurses, same thing. they're saying we want longer breaks. yeah, they want more money. the kaiser strike out in california. they're asking for 4% increase.
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they're asking for longer breaks and that's not an unreasonable thing. you look what is happening with overcrowding in the hospitals. with these little pity pitching micro managing predatory capitolists want to extract the extra value out of people's work and people had enough of it. >> we need to have a longer conversation about this. we'll invite you both back. thank you very much. we'll invite you guys back for a longer conversation about this very important issue. joaquin castro and julio castro join me next on the growing political power of latinos and what can be addressed in the media and elsewhere. stay with us. d in the media and elsewhere. stay with us
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>> i want to tell you a story about brothers, their texan
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roots trace back to the 1920s when their grandmother immigrated from mexico. their mother rosie a political activist instilled civic engagement when she brought them as kids. they rode the bus to public school because the family didn't have a car and finished high school and headed to stanford relying on scholarships, grants and loans. joaquin castro, presidential candidate and hud secretary. it's a made for television story. here is the thing. not enough of those stories about hispanic americans are being told, stories of people like the american labor leader and human rights activist of julia alvarez or the first hispanic woman to go to space remain unknown to the majority of americans. latinos make up 18% of the population but receive only
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about 5% of speaking parts that appear on screen. they receive less political representation holding 1% of local and federal elected offices. in order to bring light to the disparity, the white house partnering with the congressional hispanic caucus hosted a series of discussions yesterday to highlight latino contributions across the nation's media ecosystem. joaquin castro and julian castro, host of "our america podcast." thank you both for being here. i have the secret of telling you guys apart, i know what it is. joaquin first, the beard. julian told on you. julian told me how to do it. tell me about this meeting at the white house. what do you think needs to change in the way the media represents people who share your heritage? >> first, i'm glad that president biden and vice president harris and the white
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house made the effort to put on this forum which is i think for them going to be the first in a series of discussions about representation. this was about the latino community during hispanic heritage month and the absence and exclusion of latinos from many media platforms. you think for example about hollywood and the fact that it's still an american society, the main image defining institution that we have and yet, latinos only get 3 or 4% of the roles in front of them and the latino narrative is really missing an american society. and that's a very deep problem not because it represents but also can be dangerous and defined by stereo types and by malicious politicians who would abuse those stereo types for their own political gain. >> speaking of that, julian castro, the previous president
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opened his presidential run saying that mexico isn't sending its best, it's sending rapist and criminals here. it's easy to demeaning latinos to get votes from conservative white voters. can you talk how those politics are playing out in texas who has 39% latino population but where the new gerrymandering is only giving latinos 20% of the district. so you're already seeing this push to take away even more power in your home state. your thoughts? >> well, i mean, donald trump certainly, you know, lit the flame, exacerbated the stereo types and ill will toward the latino community buttist clear people have taken the baton and are putting it into law including greg abbott here in texas and republican leaders of the texas legislature through their gerrymandering and voter
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suppression legislation and attack on critical race theory, not wanting people to learn about everyone from cesar chavez to martin luther king and so they're trying to create this society where black and brown families have less of an opportunity to succeed on top of the challenges they already face that you pointed out a couple of them, joy. so the irony is that texas really represents what the america of tomorrow looks like but the leadership is trying to take it in the completely opposite direction and play to a smaller and smaller mostly white base of texans and just juice that out as long as they can to hold on to power even though you have a changing state. it's amazing and also, you know, frustrating and dangerous.
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>> well, and changing america. joaquin castro, look at just sort of a redo after "cinderella" with a llatin as te star. it's a huge opportunity, i think, for media, for you know, news media, for everything to look at this new young demographic and say hey, let's do something different. why do you think that people are not doing that more aggressively given how big this market is? >> you know, it's hard to say, joy. it's really surprising because latinos, for example, overindex when it comes to buying movie tickets. pre-pandemic they bought 25% of the movie tickets even though we only make up about 18% of the population. we overindex on streaming on netflix, on amazon, on hulu. so it's weird because usually when somebody doesn't try to sell you a product or doesn't
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include you in what they're doing it's because they argue that you're not their market. right? but here the weird thing is you're already a fundamental part of their market and in some ways you're overindexing so you're carrying them, and still the institution itself tries to exclude you. and that's why -- and that's true across different platforms in media, hollywood but also in hard news and journalism. in fact, you probably saw today that only like 200 and maybe 90 or so of these different newspaper and i don't know if it was just newspapers, i think so, organizations submitted back diversity information in a major study on this issue. so there's still a lot of reluctance. and the media's got to decide that it's going to be more inclusive and that it's going to change. >> absolutely. >> i will just say, joy -- i was just going to say the stakes for this are as high as they can be because the census reminded us that already about a fifth of our population in this country
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is latinx, that more than a quarter of the children in america are latinos or latinas. so the destiny of our country is intertwined with the destiny of latinos like never before. we're going to do as well in this country as this community does. >> do you think the democratic party fully -- i'm going to stay with you for a moment, julian, because you made a lot of people uncomfortable when you went real hard during your presidential run and said this whole iowa, new hampshire thing, that's not it, that we need to change and we need to start looking at the more diverse states and making them earlier. does the democratic party fundamentally understand what they need to do in order to make these changes? >> you know, i've been pleased with the news of late. i believe it's likely that iowa's no longer going to go first. iowa's a wonderful place. new hampshire's a wonderful place. we were treated very well in both of those states. but they simply don't reflect the diverse america that we have today or certainly the diversity within the democratic party.
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and so it needs to change. i think jaime harrison and the dnc leadership recognizes that. i think they're putting a process in place to make sure that whatever the primary calendar does look like actually reflects the party and the country. and that's actually, you know, easier said than done because once you say it's up for grabs, every state out there wants to be the first one to get it. >> yep. >> but they put that process in place. >> all right. we're going to hold you guys because look, the castro brothers, you guys are going to stick around because up next we'll have you guys play who won the week and we'll let you guess who's going to give you a more fun who won the week. don't miss it. n who won the week don't miss it. introducing fidelity income planning. we look at how much you've saved, how much you'll need, and build a straightforward plan to generate income, even when you're not working. a plan that gives you the chance to grow your savings and create cash flow that lasts. along the way, we'll give you ways to be tax efficient. and you can start, stop or adjust your plan at any time without the unnecessary fees.
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all right. congratulations. we made it to friday once again, folks. so now it is time to play our favorite game, "who won the week?" back with me are congressman joaquin castro and former hud secretary julian castro. our first twin who won the week.
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it's never happened before on this show or on any show. so i'm going to go first to julian because he ran for president. so he gets to go first. sorry, joaquin. julian castro, who won the week? >> and joy, also i'm the first-born. so you know, i've always got to get the first word. >> you've always gone first. there you go. >> the 10,000 john deere workers that are on strike right now, who are standing up for fair wages, fair benefits, who have been working their hearts out like so many other employees, so many other workers during this pandemic and for many years, and at the same time that john deere is getting record profits and paying huge bonuses to their executives they're short-changing these workers. they won the week for standing up not only for themselves but for workers throughout this country that deserve a raise and deserve to be treated with respect. >> amen. amen. i like that one. all right. well, joaquin castro, i am also a younger sibling, so i feel your pain, fir o
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>> and now i will give you the opportunity, my fellow younger sibling, to tell us who won the week. >> well, i'm going more lighthearted here and i'm saying it's alex padilla for that tortilla roll while he was eating his taco in california. this is a man who won the hearts of every mexican-american grandmother and grandfather in california. he's up for re-election. he obviously knows what he's doing. that was incredible. but joy, let me tell you, don't let those californians fool you. tex-mex food is way better than mexican food in california. so you just started a fight there. >> that is not a lie. that is real. listen, i came from colorado. so i know me some really great mexican food. but texas the food is amazing. amazing, amazing. congressman-queen castro, former secretary julian castro, thank you for playing. we really appreciate you guys. happen write hs panic heritage month. this is awesome. by the way, congressman cast
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froe will be nativity -- tiffany is live in miami and will be exploring the immigration policy, afro latino experience and the lack of latino representation in the media and entertainment. you can watch tiffany's special tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. right here on msnbc. you're going to love it. that is tonight's reid out, everybody. have a great weekend. and now you can watch "all in" with chris hayes right now. tonight on "all in." the hollowing out of american democracy continues as qualified non-partisan election officials keep getting purged for maga replacements. >> a lot of people think all indians look alike. i think all chinese look alike. so how would you tell? >> then, what we know about the capitol police officer charged with helping a january 6th rioter attempt to obstruct justice. plus -- >> the city cannot keep doing
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