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insurrectionists. then, the white house addresses the shortage of everything. >> today we have some good news that help speed up the delivery of goods all across america. tonight from back to ports to fights on planes, two workers walking off. jobs americas surge for a new post pandemic normal. all that in the washington football team cheerleaders, still seeking justice, in the wake of john -- >> it's my time, that this was exposed, in the nfl takes action. >> went all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris, say is just hours ago the january six select committee issued a brand-new subpoena, this one for trump justice department official jeffrey clark. we've talked about clark before in this program. he is a key figure. clay's a lifelong republican lawyer, served in pride's practice in the george w. bush doj, nothing particular
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remarkable about his, career he became the acting assistant attorney general for the doj's civil division, which is a very big job, at the very end of donald trump's term, that's when a lot of people were fleeing. once trump lost the election, jeffrey clark became one of the leading voices, if not the leading voice, pushing the justice department, to play its role in trump's attempts to overturn the election. clark even reportedly plotted directly with trump, two outs the acting attorney general, jeffrey rosen at the, time and take his job. the senate judiciary committee detailed some of clark's actions in that bombshell report last week. they pointed out that he met with trump personally and then urged the department of justice leadership to interview in the georgia election. he drafted a kind of template letter, a letter from the acting attorney general, to send georgia, titled georgia proof of concept. basically telling, then the doj is investigating voter fraud,
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and you should just hold off at a signing year electors, or maybe tell the state legislatures that they can decide whatever electors they want. then he suggested that it be replicated in each relevant state. this was basically the doj using the power of the department of justice in the united states government, to intervene in states and given them cover to overturn the election. and sent trump electors to washington. early january clark's pressure had turned to this crazy outright threat, his own kind of coup within a coup in the department of justice. again according to the judiciary report, clark eventually inform the acting attorney general rosen, again this is his boss, that trump had offered to install him in rosen's place, and told rosen, he would turn down trump's off, or if rosen would agree to sign that proof of concept letter. clark has denied he plotted to overthrow rosen, but according to the report, trump in clark only backed off, they were nowhere meetings, the three are meeting at one point. after several senior justice
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department leaders, basically banned together and said we will over design and protest if you. do the fallout from that will overshadow what you're trying to do. in fact, former acting in general for its -- role in all this is been fascinating to see, remember william barr just handed him this flaming wreckage of the justice department. and piece that with the letter of how great trump roads. rosen just testified to the january 6th select committee, voluntarily, he didn't answer questions. looks like he was about eight hours. now the committee wants to hear from trump's apparent pick to replace him, that would be mr. jeffrey clark. and so they sent clark a subpoena today, asking him to produce documents and appear before the committee itself on october 29, if he does, appear it would show a whole lot allay on what exactly happened with the justice department, in the last days of the trump administration. >> obviously he's a person of. interest he's this central person in this saga.
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and at some point, in the committee, before a grand jury someplace, his testimony is going to be obtained. >> the senate judiciary committee he's a member of that, committee he says they tried to get clark to sit down for a voluntary interview with them over the summer, but he did not respond. according to politico he also has yet to field questions from congressional investigators, scrutinizing trump's final weeks in office, his lawyer declined to comment on the subpoena. betsy woodruff swan reported on the jeffrey car study -- broke the news of his testimony, today and she joins me now. betsy, this was not necessarily unanticipated, but still a big deal. in this is a very big central figure in this entire, thing and i think someone who is not going to be cavalier about violating subpoenas, if i had to guess. >> the january 6th story is very much in terms of this
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particular episode, a tale of two jeff's. we know a ton about jeff rosen's perspective, he is actually been unusually forthcoming, regarding just about everything he knows, from his time running the justice department, through historically chaotic moment, we know based on conversations with folks throughout the day. that one of the key focus is now for the january 6th select committee, one thing that they're really pressed rosen, and when he was testifying, was clark's role, lots of questions about who clark was working with. whether it is working with people in the justice department, as well as who is working with outside the justice department. questions about the way clark was connected to strategies, to try to get the supreme court to step in, and overturn the election. as well as of course, with lots of questions regarding this effort to tell the state legislatures, falsely, that the fbi and found evidence of voter fraud, that state legislatures
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with somehow trying to step. and clark is really the key next figure for the select committee, to talk to. what's really interesting about him, though is several months ago, trump actually -- he wrote a letter, a couple of months, back saying that a number of senior doj officials, clark included, that he would be okay with them testifying, that he would not try to use executive privilege. to block their testimony. trump said in that letter, i'm only going to be okay with it if there aren't other future violations innovative plagiarist etc etc. but there is on paper, a letter from trump, saying jeffrey clark testified, and it's still a bit of a head-scratcher to me, why that testimony from clark, has not happened. is specially now that there's just less time that there was a couple of months ago. to get that interview set up. i would certainly expect the select committee to move as quickly and aggressively as possible. if clark does not comply with
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their subpoena. in part because they have it in writing, trump saying that he's okay with clark testifying. >> betsy woodruff swan, great reporting, thank you so much. i want to return now to harry liberty, former deputies -- cyst host of the talking feds podcast, as well as a former u.s. to tierney for the western district of pennsylvania. along with barbara mcquade a former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. harry let me start with you and clark in compliance here. it does seem to betsy's point, there is no real claim here of executive privilege, particularly when the president has already written a letter saying not so. and october 29, someone has to hear from him. >> yes. first i'm not sure that's right. i mean we have eight conversations document in with trump before the big showdown on january 3rd. they strike me actually unlike many of the other conversations, like steve bannon, as having a
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fairly good claim of executive privilege. it doesn't matter what trump said before, he will take it back. but clark has a lot more pressure on him than these other guys. he first of all, is being pillar now from all corners, he lost his job in the last couple of days. rosen testified for ten hours, and you can bet he absolutely crucified him, same with donahue, the acting deputy attorney general. everything will be pinned on him. he's not what he has potential liability for violating doj rules, as you said. there is an inspector general investigation, barr rules. there's a bar complaint, he could lose his license. which he's too young to do. and criminal. so, if he lets everyone else do the talking, in stays quiet, he's in the soup. on the other hand, if he comes forward, he's in all kinds of trouble. too it's obviously not going to be a friendly committee. you can see that from the white house. i think the pressure from him is greater, though the initial claim of executive privilege is
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stronger. >> there's a lot of moving parts on this. do you have the white house reiterating again barbara mcquade, the, to be clear, the white house is upheld executive privilege on a whole bunch of areas in which, that essentially protect trump, and there's some stuff like the mueller report, that they have upheld executive privilege. but they're very specifically saying, we don't assert privilege here, reiterating that again today, the president contains's conclusion in -- these are documents in the trump administration. barbara seems like those are going to be moving on their way. soon as well as barring some unforeseen intervention. >> i think that's right chris. the executive privilege prolongs to the sitting president, not to a prior president. so donald trump can recommend that privilege be asserted as to these documents, or as to testimony but, ultimately the decision belongs to the current president, and the decision is not to protect the interest of any person who served as
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president, but to protect the office of the presidency and the republic. of course as we learned in the u.s. versus nixon case back in the watergate era, executive privilege is not absolute. and it was yield in there's a greater interest. president biden has said there's a greater interest here in learning what happened in the january six insurrection, that any executive privilege. ultimately we are going to hear from people like jeffrey clark and others about what happened in those days leading up to january six. >> there's also a big showdown scheduled for tomorrow, on bannon. i want to talk about this. there's four people that were initially subpoenaed, meadows, scavino, kash patel and steve bannon. now bannon, was not even a part of the white house, he was an informal adviser. he's saying there is an executive privilege claim by the ex president, who wasn't formerly part of the. government very very weak. he has not been in contact with the committee, and says basically all violate your subpoena. we're asking it's saying today, we're looking forward is the ban is deposition tomorrow
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receiving all the testimony and evidence we subpoenaed. this is a legal order as well as a civic duty to share info about the most sweeping violent attack on congress since the war of 1812. something is going to happen, tomorrow one where the. other and then it will be a question about the department of justice, with the committee, doesn't doj does if he doesn't show up. >> yes, but then with the courts. do something is going to happen, i'll tell you what it. is banning won't show up. and barbs 100 percent right about the law, it does belong to the sitting president, but the point, is are they able to play, to roll the same slow game, that they did with the impeachment. bannon is a very good example. he has a very weak claim as you say. it's been years since he was even in the department. but if he goes to court, we have this terrible disconnect, between the natural timeline of the case, 18 months to two years, and the natural timeline of the investigation. so what matters now, are not the bone few days of the, claim but if they can get away with, slow rolling it in the courts.
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that's the question. what i was saying before about clark's he has less reason to do it, more incentive may be to come forward. but the issue is not who has privileged, the issue is can they get into a court. >> barbara this is where it strikes me, that pressure, maximalism, maintaining, it pushing ahead, doing which you need to do, if you truly believe with the folks in this committee say they believe. which is they are investigating the worst act on the capitol since 1812. the most agree just violation of democratic transfer of power since for sumter. you have to use the means at your disposal. to get the test that you need. >> i think that's right, congress has three methods for compelling testimony when someone defies a subpoena. one is an inherent power of calling upon the sergeant of arms. that's the one that william barr joked with nancy pelosi about where your handcuffs. most of us know that's not going to happen. in this been a lot of talk about criminal contempt, of actually charging him with a crime. in getting the justice
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department to do. that which is a possibility. but i think what she really, why is the testimony. and the most effective way to get that i think, is through civil suit as terry. says asking the court to act with the urgency, because the penalty there as he could be jailed until he decides to cooperate and testify. >> wait out the 18 months and a chinese billionaire's yacht. thank you very much. he is a piece of advice, just from me, unprompted, should you find yourself in court. and you have the thought ahead that i can represent myself better than a lawyer, couldn't the judge literally tells you i don't think this is a good idea, you should probably listen to the judge. or you could end up lake won january 6th defendant. who insisted he and defend him self only lining up to admitting to two more felonies than we started out with. the wild details, and the judges holding rioters accountable. after this. olding rioters accountable. after this
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broke into the capitol. >> what happened in there? >> yeah we went in there, and this is all budget people lighting up, and some oregon room. they were smoking a bunch of weed in there. >> so that guy was in court. this week. trying to get his bond status revoked, and against the advice of the judge he chose to represent himself. he then accidentally admitted to two additional felonies. in cross-examination a lawyer got him to admit under oath that he had climbed into the capitol from a broken window and that he had tried to get the previous judge removed by putting that judge wife's phone number as his emergency contact. and he had missed -- court ordered it mental health and drug testing appointments. at the end of this nearly two ever episode, the judge in question, told him you engage in a pattern of behavior that shows contempt for the drug just assist. i'm -- back into the custody of d.c. jail. reap for buzzfeed news who just push a database in connection with the first hundred guilty
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-- former federal judge, nancy gardner, who served on the -- for 17 years. joey let me start with you, you've been doing really excellent reporting on this -- on the people have been following this kurt macfarlane. you've got this database, for the first hundred police here. what's she or take away from the data we have so far, of the first hundred individuals who took to play out? for the role in this? >> for the most, part what we've seen our early plea offers going out to some of the lowest hanging fruit, from january six. the folks who posted online, i was there, here's a photo of me inside. but who didn't do much else, besides go into the building, which in itself on its own is a federal crime. so, with a vast majority of plea deals have been from low level misdemeanor crimes, carrying no more than one year in, usually only up to six months in prison.
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they're hoping to avoid jail time entirely, that hasn't been completely successful for some of them. i think it's important to note, that the other's a smaller subset of the plea deals have gone to individuals with a connection to some of the broader conspiracies, the justice department is looking into. it's gone to a handful of people with ties to the oath keepers, who pleaded guilty to being part of a conspiracy. to attack the capital, to stash guns in a hotel in virginia, in case they needed weapons for whatever happens on january 6th. so, there really are two buckets here, it's your low-level mr. mean our police, and it's the cooperators as the justice department's build some of these larger investigations. >> and they're still hundreds more, and there's something that's been happening, nancy, that i really want to talk to you about. as someone who who serves as a federal judge -- their trial judges. they have these cases, these huge amount of processing that has to happen.
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this is judge, u.s. just to judge thomas hogan, who said the following, it's become evident to me in a variety of cases that many of the defendants who are pleading guilty are not truly accepting responsibility. they seem to me to be trying to get this out of the way as quickly and as inexpensive lee as possible. and stating whatever they have to say, in guilty pleas, in hoping to get probation. and leave. we've also seen judges chastising geo jay for not asking larger sentence. how do you think about this question about accountability, and the context of a plea when you are a federal judge? >> well, it's show remorse it's really, really something that is coming -- flowing from the person's heart. you know, there is a defendant that was performing, for some it was a real feeling, but most of the time people were saying with they had to say in order to get out of their. the problem with judges
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chastising the department of justice, is the department of justice is in a bit of a pickle. there are what's so many of hundreds of people that have been arrested, they really have to determine, they have to allocate the resources. so -- they get the low hanging fruit, which is the people who just went in and literally wrongfully parading it charges. then there are the people who are getting obstruction of proceeding, proceeding being the sort-ification process. and then they're sort of an intermediate category, people who assaulted police officers and actually had weapons. i mean, i understand the frustration, this is sort of more than an ordinary demonstration gone bad. but, ultimately the prosecution has pick their cases. and there's really nothing a judge can do. >> yeah, it's a good point about the fact that -- the way the system the criminal justice systems, which is one
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of the will are just in the world that puts that more people imprisoned than anywhere else. it's just constantly this assembly line with like lucy and the chocolates, that's the way the whole thing worked. it's not law in order. it's not perry mason. it's not like trials with -- how much can we get done in one amount of time. and that's true here. it's part of the deeply systemic flaw of the entire system. >> right, and who can cooperate. who can cooperate. what can you hang over people heads so that they can get to people who are actually organizing and. but the prosecutors were making those decisions, and they're very hard to second guess, if the government tried for more. people tried about seditious could serious be, these cases would've taken a very long time. and many of them likely would have not succeeded. so they're doing, they're taking with they can prove. >> yeah, it's a really good point. this is all other elements of american criminal justice, embedded in the scale of the system, which is just sort of grinding on the background
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constantly, under overwhelming numbers. under unlike anything else in the developed world. nancy gardner, thank you both. >> thank you. >> coming up, for the massive traffic jam at shipping ports, shortages from everything -- is this part of the post pandemic normal? what it's like on the other side of a once in a lifetime catastrophe. after this. a lifetime catastrophe. after this after this nah, a stormy day. classical music plays. um uh, brass band, new orleans. ♪ ♪ she drives hands free... along the coast. make it palm springs. ♪ cadillac is going electric. if you want to be bold, you have to go off-script. experience the all-electric cadillac lyriq. facing expensive vitamin c creams with dull results? if you want to be bold, you have to go off-script. olay brightens it up with new olay vitamin c. gives you two times brighter skin.
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never hear, about in an evening news broadcast, unless something has gone terribly wrong. you've but probably been hearing about one of those things lately, the quote unquote, supply chain. as my colleague benji saarland, put supply chain is in that category of things that you don't ever read about unless something real bad happened. along with fellow 2021 winner electric grids. it is not news when it's working. it's big news when it stops working. this is video of the port of los angeles today, were along with the port of long beach, 40% of all shipping containers,
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and during the united states, make landfall. the beginning of this, week there were 62 of these giant container ships, birth that those two ports. and 81 ship sitting offshore waiting for a spot to come in and unload. that's according to the marine exchange of southern california, before the pandemic we can show you pictures of this port, because it was rare for even one ship to have to weigh. the stuff just came in and got unloaded. the kings in the global supply chain and been getting worse and worse. today, president joe biden convened a meeting with shipping companies, retailers, poor operators and unions. and delivered a speech about his plans to ease the backlog. we will talk more about that. but before we do, i think it's kind of important to first take a step back. because the supply chain issues which sounds sort of technical and weird, are just one small aspect of something much bigger, and much more profound. it seems almost silly to state this obvious, facts but we have lived through, and still living,
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through a once in his century catastrophe. we have lost 720,000 of our fellow americans, more every day. this pandemic has affected every aspect of american daily life, unlike anything sense i think at least world war ii. it is also affected every country around the globe. it has created disruptions to social life, and economics, government, politics, business, in every simple direction. but i think, maybe because we are still in, it and maybe because humans are very good acclimating to new things, and many of us had an idea of how this would go, that hasn't quite turned out to be true. all admit myself included in that. the best hope we had, this trajectory we saw, was that we had our old lives, and then the pandemic, came and then they would solve it with max vaccination in restore normalcy. and in some ways i think that vision of a return to normal, powered a lot of the biden campaign, and ultimately became a victory.
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we had a president who was say which you, will deeply abnormal, and who agree justly mismanaged a once in a century pandemic. with joe biden at the, held a lot of people could see a normal future. free of the explosive upheaval, of the trump in covid years. it becomes clearing clear by the day, we will not just get people vaccinated in all move on and close the book on this chapter. we are living through an apocalypse change, we are all processing in a bunch of different ways. personally, socially, psychologically. the effects of the pandemic are going to reverberate out throughout our entire society, and throughout the globe. the backlog in the port of los angeles is just one small example of that. over the past year, we have also seen, an enormous rise in what might very broadly be called, anti social, harmful behavior. you may have seen this statistics about homicides up nearly 30% in 20, 20 compared to the previous year in the largest single year increase ever recorded in the country,
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according to the fbi. drug overdoses in the u.s. had a record high this year, over 96,000 in a 12 month period, ending in march, according to data from the cdc. it's a nearly 30%, jump over the proceeding 12 months. a recent study showed that depression rates in this country are up threefold, since the start of the pandemic. there are a lot of examples of the effects of all. this we've all seen the viral videos of people acting out, in really weird ways, in public places, like this recent one showing an anti mask protesters yelling at parents and children as they enter a california elementary school. incidents of unruly behavior on airplanes of skyrocketed, in 2019 honored and 46 investigations were initiated by the federal aviation administration. so far in 21 that number is 727. that's not just viral, videos that the data. there have been so many threats in violent episodes of school were, meetings at the national school boards association, had to ask the federal government
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for help. heck, there's even a shortage of youth hockey referees in massachusetts, largely in part because they've been berated so much it, games no one wants to do it. i think it's safe to say, people are really angry, and wound, up an upset. and, i guess that's not surprising, given what we've all lived through, what we are living through. given this disruption and the tension in the pressure in the grief. we are also seeing something remarkable happening in the economy, and labor markets particularly in august of this year. nearly 3% of the nation's entire workforce, quit their jobs that was a record, right now there are three major strikes, pending this month, a total of about 90,000 workers, being called strike to over. it's not like anything i've ever, seen having covered the labor movement for several decades. union organizing it is happening in all sorts of places, like the service industry, where many people are just utterly fed up with and
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broken by the experience of the pandemic, and they don't want to go back to the former normal. the overall economy is weird right, now it's probably weirder than it has been in decades, of course the great recession was bad, it was terrible, but the financial crises are a recognizable entities, they happen from time to, time there's a long literature about what happens after, that what's happening now is far stranger. over several decades, we have built up this system in the global supply chain, with something called just in time inventory, companies receive goods, just as they need them for protection, which leaves very little room for error, or resiliency. and then a global pandemic, hit created all sorts of kinks in all sorts of places along the chain, started with toilet paper but it is sent spread to all sorts of industries. >> starbucks is the latest company to fall victim to supply sorted, is the coffee giant says they are going to vary by location, but according to social media this shortages range from pastries to aids coffee. >> the worst chlorine shortage the country is ever, seen is
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set to rock this summer pool season. chlorine prices, set to soar, 70% in the summer. in some parts of the country, prices of already doubled. wars continue to, rage restaurants are continuing to feel the heat of higher supplies -- nations largest chicken producer said roosters are not breeding in the winter storms in texas this, year have led to a shortage of chicken. that shortage made worse by the lasting effects of the pandemic. >> if you have looked for a new used car, lately probably experience some sticker shock. on average used car prices every isn't an unparalleled 17% since last year, due to a microchip shortage. >> rental car companies are facing shortages nationwide, just as many people are gearing up for summer travel, the shortage field in part by decisions made last year, when business plummeted, at the start of the pandemic, many cash strapped rental companies sold off much of their inventories. >> after all these spot shortages which come from all
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sorts of different sources, we have what's derek thompson the atlantic is calling, the everything shortage. where americans are settling into a new phase of the pandemic economy, which gdp is growing, but we're also suffering from a shocking array of things. as a result the stops along the supply chain, or slowing down at the very moment when americans are demanding they work overdrive. i'm going to talk to derek thompson about how we can solve the everything shortage, and what joe biden is doing about it. next. doing abou it next [♪♪] did you know, you no longer need to visit a dermatologist to get access to top skincare ingredients? introducing dermageek featuring top dermatologist
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the global supply chain link backup in los angeles point to the fact that the pandemic is still having all kinds of effects. it's changing us the way we live and do business in all sorts of ways. president biden's plan to deal with all of it is this huge campaign progress the slogan that we heard over and over, build back better its. because to punchline because it's been repeated so often. but the idea is to create some new vision of american life, economies, society aversion that's better than what we had
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before. on the other side of this mass tragedy. he starts with putting out 1 million different fires that the biden administration inherited things that on the make me happy i don't work in the white house that's. with they got elected to do and that's what they have to deliver. and that's the job when you're in. today president biden gave a speech addressing the supply chain issue but also touting the fact that part of his build back better agenda is investment imports and infrastructure and investment in domestic manufacturing. it's also changing our relationship to the global supply chain. >> today we have some good news that will help speed up the delivery of goods all across america. after weeks of negotiation, and working with my team, and with the major union retailers and free movers, the ports of los angeles, announce today, that is going to begin operating 24 hours a day, seven days a week. we need to think big, and bold. that's why i'm pushing for once in a generation investment on
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infrastructure, and our people. my infrastructure bill in my build back better act. >> we really do have a once in a generation, maybe once in the -century opportunity for a profound reassessment of what normal is and when it should be. this is the time to seize that. derek thompson is a staff writer at the atlantic where he covers economics. he wrote this week about how america is running out of everything, and he joins me now. derek, i really like the piece, there aren't easy answers, but what's the best way to explain, why we are in this situation wherein. why there's 80 ships with container goods just docked outside the port of los angeles? >> the image that comes to me, is -- when you turn on the hose in the water comes in the, hose and you pinch it for a while, when you let it go, the hose goes crazy. the pandemic pinch the hose of economic activity, of global supply chains, of interpersonal relations. and now over the last six or nine months were slow to than in those, go we're seeing this crazy whose effect, all over
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the place. we see in supply chain crisis, with the containers that are bobbing off the shore of less angeles and long beach. we see it in the great resignation, with 3% of americans quitting last, month 7% restaurants. and hotels. and we also see it i think not just the great resignation, but the great rudeness. people are being terribly to each. other we've forgotten how to be around strangers. who don't live in our house. in so i think that as the hoses come unhinged, we are still figuring out exactly how to deal with it. >> it's well said. on the supply chain issue, i think about these another metaphor here, two modes of traffic when you're stuck in a traffic jam, if you're stuck in a traffic jam and you see an accident. there's, it's illegible, and there's a single column in your like okay will get to the accident exit clears traffic will go back. but the more enraging kind of traffic, is when there is no explanation. in there is no thing to wait. four and it does seem like the supply chain, because it's so complex, and because there's so many joke, points it's more of a latter. thing there is not like well there's a big fire, in this
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place, or there is one thing. it's a lot of stuff that's built up. >>, where everyone is sticking their head of the car in the freeway saying why is no one moving their. car why is no one driving. they can't see exactly where the checkpoints are. it's partly because there's just so many choke points. you have a container problem, there aren't enough containers, we've had a container shortage for a. while there's a trucker problem, there's a trucker shortage of 60, 000, truckers it's gotten worse during the pandemic. because we have job openings rail is being backed up. because they can't take their stuff off their trains and put them on containers, because there is a blockade sensual of less angeles along which. all of these things, are fitting together in this sort of terrible puzzle, and that is essentially why christmas is being delayed, and people are walking to stories and realizing that half of the shelves are empty. >> all this stuff is weird, we don't know where we are in this story. in a lot of it i think is probably temporary. but there's one that i had today look, the global economic
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neoliberal model, that we basically got from china's interest into the wto to today. is the following thing. lots of cheap goods, huge outsourced global manufacturing. very low labor power, in stagnating wages, and very low inflation. all of those things basically obtained for about 30 years. and that was the pact. you didn't get a lot to raise, huge inequality, but you can always get a big flat screen tv, and you can get all these goods. we are seeing the complete reversal of. that high amounts of labor power. worker shortages. wages going up. higher inflation. shortages of goods. the cheap stuff is not here, and i wonder how much, it's just a different model of with the economy might look like. >> it's interesting, i remember three years ago i wrote a piece this that america has laws its mojo. and i define mojo by business damien-ism, how many companies are being created. i measured by quit, so many people are quitting their jobs, to start something new. that's a measure mojo, i measured it by migration. how many people are moving.
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i said americans are not doing any of this stuff anymore the way we did this in the 19 sixties and seventies. now, with the crazy hose effect, it's all coming back. americans are moving, where they're quitting their jobs, more there's starting way more companies. the business brief asian re-absolutely spike last year. if you believe an entrepreneur, shipped it's good as i do, that's certainly a silver lining of the crazy has effect. i do you think you're right. i think that if you go into a store and you see the shelves are empty, it is reasonable just like if you robert can the car that's broken down this time the, road to say i that's bad. i'm pointing at it. but there are subtle or things that are happening now, here that aren't just horrible. they're actually sneaky good things, that just need to be played out a little bit overtimes. as the host settles down. >> i think that's a great point. yeah prices going up for particular goods peoples needs, and shortages are not, could particularly when your pushing up against a frontier productive capacity, where everyone could be doing better if the goods were there. on the other side, i do think there's idea that a new model in the other, side with a more worker power.
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with not the model that we had for 30 years. it's like really promising. and people starting businesses, moving, in saying they don't want to maybe do these service jobs that they had to do. where they were not willing to do it for $12 an, hour they'll do it for 20. that's to me is an exciting future, that we might be entering into. >> i think you. ray i think it's an exciting future, i think a lot of things that are happening right, now especially if you look at where wages are, growing their growing among the lowest income workers. people work in hotels and restaurants. that's a fantastic thing. i think it would offer a synthesis, which is at the same time you are seeing, a critique of 30 years of -- of liberalism. rebels think about a quality agenda, how do we redistribute goods are created. we need an abundance agenda. how do we make stuff, so we can distribute it later. >> derek thompson, great reporting, great discussion, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> coming up, so where did those emails that got john rude and fired come from anyway? the nightmare story of the
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investigation they got an nfl coach, fired in the nfl cheerleaders who are still seeking answers. one of them joins me just ahead. one of them joins me jus ahead.
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week, john gruden, head close of las vegas raiders, just west of the chicago bears with weekend, former analyst for espn's monday night football, that he resigned from his job, as head coach of the raiders after the new york times dylan number of emails, where he used racist, homophobic and misogynistic language. also in that report, there's another detail. the times revealed the following quote, gluten exchanged emails with former washington football team general manager bruce allen another man, that included photos women wearing only bikini bottom's. including one photo of to washington team cheerleaders. that seems like and not really awesome thing to do. we now know, those photos, in the emails that were released, actually came to lay as part of a completely separate investigation that had nothing to do with john gruden.
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as the daily beast explains the, emails involving him where some of the 650,000 that investigators review during a continuation of an investigation into the workplace culture at the washington football team, ordered by nfl commissioner robert cuddle, himself a topic of some of john gruden insults like. here that investigation began last year of this truly disturbing exposé by the washington post, incredible piece of, reporting found rampant sexual harassment at the washington football organization. among other things, it revealed that according to one former staff after, a ten minute video of lewd outtakes from a photo shoot, with the team's cheerleaders, was made without their knowledge. for a washington football team owner. he denied the video, but the washington post contain a copy of the video from another former employee. in another 2004, incidents nine or is led to tell the team cheerleader, that he in a friend at a hotel room, he suggested that xin's friend go upstairs and get to know each
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other better. so, one of the nfl. do they conducted an internal investigation, and find the team a record $10 million. sounds like a lot of money, but for a team valued at 4.2 billion dollars, it's not going to sting too much. the nfl declined to punish dan snyder the, owner directly. he still owns the team after all of that. this week, las vegas raiders head coach john gruden resigned, rightly i would say. after his racist homophobic emails became public. but dan snyder, who reportedly oversaw and participated in a culture of sexual harassment, his face really little sanctions. the nfl is declined to make any sort of public report about their findings. now a group of former washington team cheerleaders, as demanding that report be made public. melanie coburn was a washington cheerleader for four. years in the squads marketing director for ten. she started a petition in february to make the nfl's internal investigation. public as of now it's closing in and around 40,000 signatures, and she joins me now. melanie, thank you so much for
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joining us. i want to start with your experience, of inside that organization, as i was relaying the reporting that's happening in these. emails how that jives with what personally experienced there. >> thanks for having me chris. i really appreciate you sharing our stories. as you can, imagine it's a male dominated field. coming into the washington redskins front office, in being involved in the organization from that side versus from the sidelines as a cheerleader was a totally different experience. i was one of many cheerleaders actually, that was hired to be a full-time staff person. there were many of us that were sort of, handpicked, in interviewed and offered positions in various facets of the organization. i do feel that we were maybe picked for the wrong reasons. obviously there was a lot of
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sexual objectivity in the office. there was a lot of misogyny, as you sort of alluded to in your introduction. but it was also a very intimidating and threatening work environment, for many of us. and, i spent ten years there. for years longer than i wanted, to because i felt like i was there to protect the women, of the washington redskins cheerleaders. and keep them safe, from the executives, the sponsors and everybody else that was trying to have their way with them. >> having had that experience, did that detail, what was your reaction. you know this internal report gets commissioned, you know it's not released publicly. it's just set. on in the next thing you know, there are these emails that john gruden, including topless photos of washington cheerleaders. meanwhile, you and federal cheerleaders of been asking for this report to be public. apparently this is the first
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anyone his seen anything that happened in the course of that investigation. >> yes. chris it's always everyone. it is transparency and accountability. i will say, the women that were in those videos that you referenced, many of them did come together to fight back. and they had a mediation that they settled within december. but along with that mediation, obviously came a lot of ndas. they were silenced. however, that's when i started being more vocal. i don't like public, speaking i was not part of the story until i found out that they did this to these women. ray undermine owes. when i was working with them. i was at those calendar shoots. i know those compromising positions they were in. and we trusted those redskins production crews to do their job. and, keep them safe. it's devastating. these women have been texting me for the last 36 hours, wondering if their nude bodies are photographs are circulating
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through the inboxes of the nfl. it's just triggered them. it's reliving drama that we have been reliving for the past 15 months. it's like an open wound. >> i have to say, i have seen some folks on the, right try to make this about, you can't say anything anymore. and what about your inbox. but i cannot imagine anyone, with any kind of sense of decency, things it's fine, to circulate the photo of a woman topless, surreptitiously taken, to other people around her in an email. it's so obviously disgusting behavior. whatever your politics or views. >> oh yes. it's indicative of the toxic culture that existed within the washington football team. and around the league. it wasn't just our team. these were emails from other people. other teams. it's very disheartening in disappointing. and like i said, all we've ever wanted was transparency and accountability. and i think that we deserve.
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that these women deserve. it all of these employees. all of the men and women i've worked with for over the years. there is over 120 people, involved in that investigation. and we've heard nothing. >> it is strange that this is what ends up surfacing. from this investigation. that's been kept lock and key. that john gruden emails. i think there's a there's transparency, and degree the reporting is accurate, but it does seem like it's high past time. have you been offered money to settle on this and not talk about it? >> yes. i was very vocal after the initial article in the washington post came. out and i started that petition, in february. mid february 2021. and yes i was offered hush money. i did not entertain. i didn't even ask how much they were offering. because this is not something that i am, i have never wanted. that all i want is to speak up for the women that i admire in love. and give them a voice when they
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don't have one. >> melanie coburn thank you very much for joining. the i very much appreciated. >> thanks. chris >> that's all in for this wednesday evening, the rachel maddow show starts right. now good evening. rachel >> good evening chris thank you my. friends fantastic show tonight by the way. you've been doing great shows recently, but tonight was amazing. >> i appreciate. >> and thanks don for recently, but tonight was amazing. >> i appreciate it. thanks for joining us this hour. let me just start with an admission here. i will admit i fully recognize and i will admit that over the years there has been some tough reporting and tough commentary on this show about former president donald trump. i'm also fully aware we have invited numerous guests on to this show over the years -- newsmakers, experts, former government officials, who have also at times expressed tough minded sentiments about donald trump. i am not hiding the ball here. i know that this show broadly speaking has had a lot of tough words for the former president and his behavior.

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