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of the world. who pushes hardest for this? >> the investment managers have a vested interest in this. when billionaires don't pay taxes, they're shifting it to the rest of us, that's one of the biggest harms. there's a growing movement to shift this. >> that's what we need to understand, what bill is being passed to the rest of us that these guys are refusing to pay. chuck collins, it was good to get your perspective. i've been shaking my head, south dakota? you've been on this for a while. thanks for coming on and sharing your views. and thank you all for being with us. we'll be back tomorrow for more "meet the press daily." msnbc coverage continues with geoff bennett and his interview with the secretary of transportation, right now. it is good to be with you.
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i'm geoff bennett. of all of things on president biden's plate right now, and there are a ton of them, perhaps the most alarming is what's not on yours. and it may not be under your tree for christmas or on your plate for thanksgiving. in a country where we're accustomed to getting whatever we want, whenever we want, with the push of a button, if you've tried to shop for anything from a new car or appliance to a book or groceries, you know there's a growing list of the things you can't find. and if you can, you're probably paying more to buy them. there are a number of reasons for the product shortages. but chief among them is the massive backlog at the ports of los angeles and long beach. they account for 40% of all shipping containers entering the u.s. at last count there are 81 ships floating off the coast right now, waiting to dock. many have been there for weeks. another 62 ships are already docked but it takes time, money,
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and manpower to unload them. this afternoon the president is launching a new effort to try to speed things up. the white house says it has brokered an agreement to keep those ports open and unloading around the clock, seven days a week. and president biden this afternoon is holding a virtual roundtable at the white house, pushing walmart, fedex, ups, and others to help. we're awaiting the president to speak in about 20 minutes from now, where he's going to detail his plans to pick up the pace. in a moment i'll ask secretary of transportation pete buttigieg about those efforts and if they're enough. nbc's jake ward joins me from the port of oakland. what are you seeing, jake? >> reporter: what's extraordinary, geoff, is to be in a place that's felt the tidal wave and taken it on the top of its head. this place, port of oakland, is
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literally overwhelmed. it got to a point where it simply could not handle the crush and shippers began turning away. that meant that by august, revenue and shipping, incoming ships, were actually down from the year prior, which was extraordinary to see. that's why this port had to undertake extraordinary efforts, it had to put in the largest cranes in the world, it had to expand its capacity so it could cram 60% more containers onto the ships. now we see those efforts having to be taken on a federal level. the white house will announce walmart, fedex, and ups will commit to a 24/7 schedule to move goods faster. these ships carry the lifeblood of the united states when it comes to the things we buy online. as you mentioned, we're a country that's used to getting what we want, when we want it. it turns out the supply chain
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built for that was builts for the lowest possible costs and lowest possible margins. now we're seeing we need some resilience and it seems the white house is stepping in to try to provide that. >> nbc's jake ward, thanks for starting us off this hour. transportation secretary pete buttigieg joins us from the white house ahead of president biden's remarks. secretary buttigieg, it's good to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> so the biden administration is stepping up its efforts to relieve this supply chain night mayor that has led to product shortages and higher prices. as you well know, the supply chain is a private sector
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system, it's a global system. nobody wants a supply chain that's owned and operated by the biden white house. still, the federal government has a role to play here. so how is the white house going to try to address this bottleneck? >> well, you're right, this is a set of private sector systems, a global one at that. but we have a role to play as an honest broker, bringing together different players who, sometimes surprisingly, don't always coordinate with one another. we had a meeting this morning with players ranging from the operators of the ports of l.a. and long beach to retailers like target, walmart, and the home depot. so many players who will all benefit if everybody works together. remember, when you see something like the image of a ship offshore waiting at anchor in the ports of l.a. and long beach like we have, that means there's a lot more going on than issues just with the ship. after all, by definition, the ship is there. how do you get it into the port?
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by clearing dock space. these different issues, through the rail system, through the trucks, all the way to your shelf, in your home, are where we knead to see action. we've seen very encouraging commitments made by the private sector players we've been convening, including an important announcement by los angeles that they will join the port of long beach in operating 24/7. we're working with retailers and others to do the same and trying to make sure, even though this is, and rightly so, not a government owned and operated system, that we're doing our part to try to drive that kind of progress and ease the bottlenecks short term while of course for the long term this is one more reason we need to pass the infrastructure bill the president has put forward. >> so what's your response to those who might say these extended hours at the ports, that's good, but it's really window dressing unless you have trains and trucks and warehousing companies all doing the same, all operating at extended hours. and right now, there doesn't appear to be a willingness to do so.
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there are people who have been critical of you, including lieutenant general russel honore, on social media and on this program, who say you need to be more proactive and step in and do something. what do you say to that? >> it may not have been getting a lot of coverage, but we've been working on this from the very beginning. the president signed an executive order in february. in july i convened the entire ecosystem of players involved in and around the ports of l.a., including not those directly in shipping but the rails, the truckers. as you say, all these things fit together. and you're right, no one step will be enough on its own. but that's exactly why we're convening and driving action and getting very significant commitments from retailers, from shippers, and from everybody in between. >> while we have you, a question about covid and travel. almost every u.s. airline is requiring their employees to be vaccinated as a means of keeping
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their jobs. canada is going to require early next month that adult air travelers be vaccinated. should we expect here in the u.s. that domestic air travelers be vaccinated? >> so here in the u.s., the discussion about vaccine requirements for travel has been on the international arrivals. and i'm very encouraged by our ability to move toward an early november goal to open up travel from countries that have not been able to come to the u.s., shifting from a country based to a traveler based risk profile, which means, of course, making sure we have that information about vaccinations. you know, every day we're looking at what we can do to make sure travel is safe and that our economy is fully reopening. and the bottom line is, we're counting on americans. it doesn't matter if you're traveling or not, we're counting on all americans who are eligible to get those vaccines, because that's how we put this pandemic behind us once and for all. >> this administration always says follow the science and the science suggests that vaccine
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mandates for domestic travel is the right way to go. why are we not there yet, why is the administration not taking that step? >> well, what we've seen is that vaccine requirements for employees are extremely effective, and that's been another area of focus right now. and you look at, for example, united airlines, one of the success stories that saw a high degree of compliance. we're doing it also as an administration with our own employees, whether it's my department or throughout the federal government. i can tell you that every day woe look at the appropriate steps and the things that need to be done. and i think that focus is the right one, both the focus we're doing on international travel and vaccinations there, and on getting more of the american workforce vaccinated as a whole, whether you're planning to take a trip or not. >> transportation secretary pete buttigieg, appreciate you joining us as we look ahead later this hour to the president's speech. thanks for your time. >> thank you. so joining us now, the former commander of joint task force katrina, the aforementioned lieutenant
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general russel honore, good to have you back with us, and the host of "full disclosure," robin farzi, joins us as well. general, are these announcements vigorous enough to break the backlog? >> it's a start. china and europe, they operate 24/7. that may be the easiest of all solutions. let me tell you, i support secretary buttigieg, this wasn't personal. that being said, he said a keyword, that this system is not regulated. it's deregulated. this is twice in a week on national television the government is washing their hands. first it was the facebook and twitter. a week ago, and instagram. now we got shipping that's unregulated. that's a part of the problem.
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the ports is a convolution of private, american-owned, foreign-owned, container controlled, union-controlled, railroad, trucking, all these intermodal operations operate independently because they're not regulated and synchronized and supervised by the federal government. secretary pete didn't create this, he's right. we went from a commercial venture that went from cheaper, better, quicker, we liked that. then we went to just in time delivery. most industries used to have six months to eight months' stock on hand. they figured out they didn't have to have as many warehouses so we went to just in time. how do you run a car company, getting your parts in from overseas, just in time? that's about as stupid as you can get. then we went to shipping containers. what a great concept.
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those containers can be tracked around the world. but we can do better than that. we are underregulated. and on the bottom line, we -- 98% of the ships are built in china and korea. cheaper, better, quicker. we chased the wrong rabbit. now we see the most powerful nation in the world is caught up in an unregulated, do it at their wish. we have to have an executive order. american people, from soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines, are being sent to help people save lives in hospitals. the military is sitting on people in the army who know how to drive. i was in a deployment in desert storm and lived on the port for three months. they drove every type of vehicle there was, on roads, on ships,
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as well as other container ships. this can be done. they can go in and help and create the bottleneck. 24/7 is just the beginning. i'll defer to my friend who is more of an expert than me. >> i don't think anybody is more of an expert on this than you are, i appreciate the point. but robin, let's pick up part of what the general had to say and talk about the trucking issue here because there is a domino effect. the point i was making with the transportation secretary, it's all well and good to have these two ports running 24/7 or whatever the extended hours are, but if there aren't enough truck drivers to drive that cargo across country, what effect does it have? long haul trucking is grueling work. and there are people, you know, who don't want to do it. there's a huge void right now in the trucking industry in terms of staffing. >> let me digress briefly with some well-timed beef, geoff. i got vaccinated six months ago. you were talking to secretary buttigieg. and no one has once asked me for
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proof of vaccination. i thought i would get at least a denny's grand slam breakfast out of it. but let's talk about truckers. even in bad economic times, you always see on the back of the 18 wheelers, signs, benefits, the ultimate freedom of the roads type job. whatever the "x" factor is coming out of this great pandemic economy where they're calling it the great resignation, i think people are just going to hold out for far higher wages. and at a time after decades when workers did not have the leverage, with benefits, with paid time off, parental leave, with health care benefits, with 401(k) and dental match and everything, it's kind of a gave them holding out. one economist i read in "time" magazine compared this to the closest thing the united states has had to a general strike. i think it's fascinating, i wonder if it does boil down to 15, 20, 25, 30, and there is a
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breaking point when people will sluice back to work. >> and roben, we talk about people won't be able to get the gifts they want for christmas and hanukkah. more than that, this has been hard for small business owners who had to live through two years of a pandemic and now they're being hit by product shortages. >> insult to injury, because amazon, walmart, and target already rule the world. amazon and walmart and target are logistics companies. they're out there investing in tankers outright. mom and pop on the corner, the iphone repair business, can't do that. this is too big to fail times two, times three, while the small guy has had to survive the pandemic. and coming out of this, there's very little comfort. >> and general honore, as we wrap up this conversation, are there limits to what this white house, limits to what a federal government can do here? as we mentioned, the supply chain is a private sector,
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global system. as i mentioned to the secretary, nobody wants the biden white house to step in as owner/operator of the supply chain. >> no. but we need to stop acting like victims. we're the most powerful nation in the world. we've got executive orders from the president. we may not have to do that for long. but we can send thousands of drivers and trucks, not to move intermodal across the country, but to help clear those ports and go to intermediate staging areas so the private sector can pick their items up and move them on. i think this 24/7 is just the beginning. do we let companies go out of business because we can't get the supplies in? do we have automobile companies go out? for an enemy force, we would deploy the entire u.s. military to deal with it. >> that raises the question, lieutenant general, to what
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extent should the white house tap national guard or reserves to help at the margins with bus drivers and school buses, not being core private sector placements, but is that at all a possibility? >> yes. it's not a violation of the economy act when it's an emergency. the president declares an emergency, just like he sent doctors and nurses to private hospitals and to for-profit hospitals to save people's lives. at some point this will be a function of saving people's lives. when we can't get the gloves to the hospitals, when we can't get the masks, or the materials we need to run our medical system or we can't run our computers or we can't build vehicles we need to save lives. much that have is dependent on shipping. it goes to show you, transportation is a part of logistics. we've been thinking too long, supply chain as opposed to logistics. and one of the principles of logistics is anticipation. for over years now, not just in
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this administration, we failed to anticipate what industry was doing, was to escalate the supplies so they could do it cheaper, better, quicker, and not keep stocks on hand. as we said, walmart and apple and amazon, they've uber-izeed ships, they have ships to bring high end stuff in. all that stuff that costs less than $100 is on those big ships. all the important stuff going to houston, on the containers they've built. they're usurping the system because the system ain't working. but eventually this will have an impact on our safety and security in the country. >> national security issue indeed. lieutenant general russel honore and roben farzad, i know white house officials watch this show on msnbc, i get texts from them from time to time, we'll see if the white house picks up on any
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ideas offered up here. i appreciate your time and insights. will they or won't they? top trump aides face a deadline to talk to the committee probing the capitol riot. one lawmaker is not ruling out involving u.s. marshals if they don't show. and an nba superstar benched as a result of a high profile standoff with his team over vaccines. and up next, blastoff. 50 years after he first played captain kirk, actor william shatner rockets into space and makes history. stay with us.
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♪♪ icon who sparked the imaginations of generations of space explorers finally made his own trip to the final frontier. more than 50 years after he first played captain james kirk, today "star trek" actor william shatner blasted off to space from texas. he was on blue origin's "new shepherd" rocket. his three minutes of weightlessness took him up and over the edge of space before making a slow and steady return back to earth. >> it's unlike anything you'll ever see. >> stand by, touchdown. stand by, touchdown.
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>> and when he stepped back onto texas soil, 90-year-old shatner was the oldest person to ever travel to space. an emotional william shatner recounted the experience to blue origin's jeff bezos. >> what you have given me is the most profound experience i can imagine. i am so filled with emotion at what just happened. it's extraordinary, extraordinary. i hope i never recover from this. i hope i can maintain what i feel now. i don't want to lose it. >> joining us from the blue origin launch site is nbc's morgan chesky. morgan, you were closer to this launch than the last one. describe what that was like and also that powerful moment when shatner recounted his journey into space.
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>> reporter: geoff, there really is nothing like it, on both sides here. we were in the city of van horn for the last launch in late july. this time we were just a few miles away from where that rocket rose from the west texas desert. there were two holds that took place but it did take off on a blue sky sunshine day. by all accounts from everyone who witnessed the moment, it was a seamless mission from start to finish. i can tell you that as the rocket comes up, you can see it in the sky before you really hear it, and then feel it. and that is something that just creates goosebumps, this anticipation and the realization that four people on board that little glimmer in the sky are leaving this earth, if just for a moment, experiencing that weightlessness, looking down on the planet and coming back down, in what was a smooth affair just like the last time. to see captain kirk himself,
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90-year-old william shatner who by all accounts is in incredible shape for his age, walk off that capsule and have that incredible moment, it was beyond powerful. just take a listen to some more of what he had to say. >> this blue that we have, oh, that's blue sky. it's like someone rips the sheet off you when you're sleeping and you're looking into blackness, and you look down and there's the blue down there, and the black up there. it's -- it's just -- there is mother earth and comfort. and there -- is there death? i don't know. it was so moving to me, this experience. it's something unbelievable. >> reporter: shatner later said that he wishes he could grab hold of this moment and not let it go. and considering you have a guy who's been to multiple galaxies
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and battled aliens, the fact that today left such an impact, i think really says something here, geoff. >> morgan chesky, i'll tell you what, you and tom costello had the best assignments of the day, covering this launch. thanks for your time this afternoon. joining us now is retired nasa astronaut joan higgenbotham. what was watching today's launch like for you? >> thank you for having me on. there's no such thing as a bad launch so watching any launch is spectacular. i can only imagine what the people there really got to experience, because it's one thing seeing it on tv, but it's another thing being there and feeling the ground vibrate and hearing the roar of the engines and watching the rocket take off. it's always spectacular. >> there's a difference between space exploration, which is what you did, and space tourism, which is what we saw this morning and afternoon. what's the benefit of these
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current trips, trips like the one we saw today? >> so the current model that they're using, it's a quicker trip to space. it's a cheaper trip to space. what's really great is that as they go up and stay up longer, you can take up different experiments, so you'll get more people getting access to space and all the benefits thereof. it's just a cheaper model of what's going to happening. >> as we mentioned, you were the third and last black woman nasa sent into space. richard branson's virgin atlantic successfully sent the fourth african-american into space this summer. do you think commercializing space travel will make it more accessible for folks? >> at some point maybe it will. but right now you still have to have a few dollars in the bank to go. so maybe it will go the way of aircraft, where, you know, just about everyone has access to flying on an airplane right now.
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so at some point, maybe ten years down the road, it will become more accessible to more people. but right now, it's still only accessible to that select few. >> would you hop on one of these private flights if you had the chance? >> if it would go up a little bit more than three minutes. you know, i've been up for 13 days so going up for three minutes is kind of like a cool joke. if they sent me up for a week, i would actually go. >> joan higginbotham, thanks for joining us. after two years the u.s. is opening its northern and southern borders but only to some. and it's called the one shot he won't take. nbc star kyrie irving is told to stay home unless he's vaccinated. it's more treatable. hey, cologuard! hi. i'm noninvasive and i detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers,
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an nba superstar remains sidelined during a high profile
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standoff over covid vaccines. kyrie irving is benched over his continued refusal to get vaccinated. new york state has laws that prevent it from setting foot in barclay center where the team plays. the nets say it will prevent him from being a full-time player so he won't pay at all. there say cost attached to irving's refusal. according to "the new york times," he could lose around $380,000 for every home game he misses. that's a lot of money for and you me but for irving it's about 1% of his base salary for this season. joining us from outside the barclay center in brooklyn is nbc news correspondent ron allen. ron, the nets drew this line in the sand in benching irving completely for home games. where could this go from here if he refuses to get vaccinated?
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>> reporter: geoff, first let me point out, across the street from a the barclay's center you see a covid testing site. up the street there's a vaccination site, no appointment necessary and there's no line there. this is a neighborhood, a community hard hit by covid and there's a big push to get everybody vaccinated. now you have the star player, obviously a visible influencer/role model in this community saying he's not going to do it. part of the problem is he hasn't articulated why he doesn't want to do this except to say it's a private matter. he's offered non-answer answers to it, which sort of adds to the mystery and frank aggravates a lot of fans who were hoping the nets would be in a good position to push for a championship and aggravates public health officials and advocates who feel this is sending a wrong message particularly to minority communities. the nets felt this was not a
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tenable situation, having a player coming or going, participating or not participating. here is what they had to say. >> will there be pushback from kyrie and his camp? i'm sure this is not a position they like. but this is a choice that kyrie had and he's well aware of that. >> reporter: it's a choice also with some financial consequences. but he's still going to make about $18 million this year, about half of his salary, because he can play in these road games. the team is saying we won't let you, so they have to pay him. so there's that. so he has some leverage, if you will. we'll have to see how this plays out. the next home opener is tuesday and as of now, kyrie irving will not be there. >> ron, thanks so much for that live update. let's bring in dr. amish adalja. i want to pick up where we left
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off with ron. in many ways, people would obviously be mistaken if they're trying to take health advice from kyrie irving who is also a flat earth conspiracy theorist who clearly doesn't want to be told what to do. what impact does all this public attention on him have on the overall vaccine push? >> unfortunately we live in a society where celebrity culture does make a difference. when you see celebrities or people admired by the general public refusing the vaccine, it makes the job of all of us that are advocating for the vaccine harder. i think it's much more important to highlight the good stories, the celebrities that have decided to get vaccinated. it's unfortunate that this person, who many people admire, has chosen wrongly, that he's not able to see the evidence that the vaccine would benefit his personal life. and i think it's a shame, and i think the fact that people are going to listen to him is even worse. >> so let's talk about some other news. the u.s. borders with mexico and canada will be reopened to
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vaccinated legal travelers starting next month. what's your take? is this an encouraging sign about where we're at in the pandemic? we also heard the transportation secretary earlier on this show say the administration isn't considering a vaccine mandate for domestic air travel. what do you make of that decision? >> the canada/mexico borders should have been opened long ago. we have tools to to be able to facilitate travel. we know travel bans don't actually keep cases from occurring in the country. high rates of vaccination in places like canada, the ability to test, all of that makes it something that should have been done several months ago, so i'm glad that that's happened. when it comes to the faa and vaccine mandates for flying, i think this is a really thorny issue. i wish that the airlines would take some of this on their own and decide whether or not to do this, because i think there's going to be a lot of pushback if they make a mandate for flying, for vaccine flying for domestic travel. i think it's going to be something that is very
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contentious. it's going to end up in courts. i think the airlines are doing a really good job of keeping people safe and i think they could start to think about mandating vaccines for their employees as some of them have done, and maybe even having vaccine-only flights, just trying to push people to get vaccinated. but i don't know that the faa doing this is going to end up anywhere other than in court. >> i think the politics of that would be fraught, setting aside what the public health would suggest about it. as we wrap up, i want to ask you, the white house is telling states to begin preparing to vaccinate kids ages 5 to 11 as early as next month. what do you make of the potential for the vaccine hesitant adults, for that to trickle down with their kids, where folks just will not, no matter what, get their kids vaccinated against covid-19? >> we've already seen this in children that are between the ages of 12 and 17, that they have a relatively low uptake of vaccine, maybe 50% or so. that's likely going to be even lower in the 5 to 11 group. i don't think you're going to
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see parents that are vaccine hesitant vaccinating their children. there will be some parents for sure on the first day lining up, and that's great. but i don't think we're going to see a major, major uptick in that group, other than those people who are already heavily vaccinated. we have a real antivaccine problem in this country. those people are not going to vaccine their children, i don't think, unless they themselves got vaccinated. so this is going to be a difficult challenge, i think. >> dr. amish adalja, thank you for that context, i appreciate it. up next, if trump aides don't show, will the house panel force the issue? and pushed to the brink. states around texas inundated with women looking for help with an abortion ban still in place. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark.
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pressure on clinics in surrounding states. hope medical group for women in louisiana has seen a significant increase in patients. 50% of the women they are treating are from texas. the increase is pushing this clinic in shreveport and others in the area well beyond their capacity. and that's where we find msnbc anchor yasmin vossoughian in shreveport, louisiana. good to see you, my friend. what kind of ripple effects is it having on care for women who live in louisiana? >> reporter: a really big one, geoff. it's a great question, because that's really what's happening, right? you've got so many women crossing the border over to louisiana from texas. some of the women that are seeking abortion services here in louisiana, their appointments are getting pushed back weeks and weeks because there's just not enough room, there's not enough time to get all of the appointments done that they actually want to get done. you mentioned that 50% number.
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i spoke to the director earlier today, she said the number has gone up, 60 to 65% of cases that they're performing here at this clinic are women in texas. if you take a look at the cars around me, it's all texas plates. literally, i speak to women throughout the day, i've been speaking to women throughout the day, many of them are coming from texas. they're making the trek four to five hours in the car, driving by themselves, 12 to 13 hours on the bus, if they don't have a car to get here, having to come, have their initial appointment, stay overnight for 24 hours, because that's the law here in louisiana, and then having to have a followup appointment for the actual procedure. a really harrowing 48 hours or so for many of these women. and these clinics having to deal with all of these appointments coming at them, all of these women coming at them. i spoke to the director, as i mentioned, kathleen pitman. she talked about the emotional part of this whole thing and how the clinic is having to deal with that. i also spoke to lois who is a woman who came up here from
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texas, has a 4-year-old at home, and somehow she's scared about coming up here, because of the laws that are in place in texas. take a listen. >> there's anger. there's fear. and we're the ones that receive, you know, the brunt of it, until we're able to sit down one on one and speak with them and say, we're going to help you, we just need to make a plan, let's make a plan. >> i'm in louisiana. i have a texas license plate. i don't know if somebody is going to decide they're going to follow me to the hotel. you know, it can be -- >> scary? >> -- scary. >> reporter: on the ground at the end of the day, other states are saying, if sb 8 can work in texas, maybe it can work in our state. so a very precarious situation in louisiana. >> yasmin vossoughian, thank you for bringing us that story.
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today marks the first of three deadlines documents are due today from the january 6 rally planners. and we are just one day away from the first scheduled appearance of trump advisers before the select committee. the question is will they show up. the panel has ordered former advisers kash patel and steve bannon, trump's chief of staff mark meadows, and his deputy dan scavino, to submit depositions this week. bannon has already said he will not comply. congresswoman liz cheney, who leads the select committee with the chairman, bennie thompson, says the panel will move forward with criminal contempt charges against anyone who doesn't comply. and today, committee member stephanie murphy didn't rule out taking it a step further. >> in federal court, people who don't take advantage of responding to the subpoena, the marshals go out and bring them to court. are you going to use the marshals service to bring people like mark meadows to congress?
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>> i know that we have engaged with a wide variety of law enforcement offices including the u.s. marshals in order to issue the subpoenas. and we will use everything, as you said, with all due respect, we will use all of the agencies and all of the tools at our disposal to issue the subpoenas and then enforce them. >> with us now from capitol hill is punchbowl news co-founder jake sherman. so jake, we learned from both impeachments that when congress wants to enforce subpoenas, it's got inherent contempt, a process which congress hasn't used for a hundred or more years. it's got civil process, that process can take years. and it can do criminal contempt. do you think this committee is going to follow through on the criminal parts of the? part of this? >> geoff, there's just so much politics right now. there's so much positioning, if you think about it, right? when you hear liz cheney or
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bennie thompson saying, well, this is scheduled, if they're not confirming, if these folks are not confirming that they're coming to capitol hill or they're saying they're not, it's scheduled but that doesn't mean we should expect them to come to capitol hill. i know there's a lot of talks behind the scenes between lawyers of some of these folks who have been subpoenaed and people on capitol hill and people on this committee to try to work this out. but i have to imagine that there's a good chance that people are going to be disappointed this week, and some of the people who are suggesting that they might be coming up will not be coming up. i have to imagine they're going to go to court. but listen, you have a different dynamic here. you have a justice department that could take steps to hold people in contempt for not participating with congress, no matter how rare it is. this administration has said it's not playing by the same rules as it has in the past and considers this quite serious. >> we're also seeing reports, as i look at my notes mere, the committee could issue a subpoena as early as today to jeffrey
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clark, a trump justice department official who tried to support trump's false claims of fraud. the reporting is that the committee says they're not going to comment. what have you heard? >> yeah, i think that you're going to see a lot more of this. and i think part of the challenge here, obviously, listen, this administration has said it's not going to uphold executive privilege on these documents. if this committee does or has gotten these documents, we don't know how much or if they have gotten any, that will paint a fuller picture without witnesses. so there's some benefit to getting those documents, getting them in hand early, getting them in hand immediately, and beginning to paint a picture without those documents, so they're less reliant, without those witnesses, rather, so they're less reliant on those witnesses to come up to happen to capitol hill. it's in the trump world's interest to go to court and delay this as much as possible.
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it could last as long as the next election, and unfortunately for such a serious incident, it becomes a big political issue. >> i just want to underline, underscore, emphasize the great point you made that even though the committee says people like mark meadows and kash patel are cooperating, that doesn't mean necessarily that we'll see these folks show up in the scif below the capitol. or does it? >> it doesn't mean we'll see this next week. as you know, geoff, because you've cover this alongside me for a couple of years, these depositions or appearances before these committees are heavily negotiated between the two sides regardless of the subpoena. and i'm not trying to downplay the subpoena. a subpoena is serious. people should cooperate with subpoenas. it's ridiculous that people don't or people fight them. but that all said, these are heavily negotiated. and i have to imagine, again, you have to imagine that the lawyers to both of these sides are negotiating what they will
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or won't talk about, what they can and can't talk about. then there's the issue, donald trump's team has said that they are going to -- that they are fighting to prevent people like mark meadows from testifying. so there's that issue too. maybe you'll see in the next couple of days some action in the courts on that front. i don't know. i've heard conflicting reports about that. but listen, these are negotiated appearances. and i would be surprised to say the least if you'll see immediate cooperation in the scif, as you note, this week. >> jake sherman, thanks as always for the level set for us, i appreciate that. >>. coming up next, more than seven years after the flint water crisis was exposed, another michigan city is reeling from unsafe levels of lead in its water. you have to see this to believe it. stay with us. this to believe it stay with us self. my doctor recommended eliquis. eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent
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unsafe levels of lead. here's nbc's meagan fitzgerald. >> reporter: another michigan city facing a water crisis. >> it smells like fish. >> reporter: contamination coming from old lead pipes. the state says it's known about the elevated lead levels for three years and that residents had access to the information but many residents say neither the city nor the state did enough to warn them of the dangers. >> when did you learn there was lead in the water? >> last week. i've been drinking the water, cooking with the water, brushing my teeth. >> reporter: two weeks ago the state started distributing bottled water to residents after a petition was filed last month detailing the problem to the epa. >> the state of michigan would not have responded to this crisis if it hadn't been for the petition from epa. >> how do you know that? >> because years had gone by where nothing had happened. >> reporter: hundreds of people have been waiting hours, lines
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stretched across several blocks. for some, this is their own hope at fresh drinking water. >> this community cannot afford to buy water. i'm horrified. i can't believe for one second that a city, a state, or the federal government, would allow children to continue to drink this water. >> reporter: but the state agency responsible for oversight of the water supply says they've been addressing the lead levels all along. >> steps were taken as soon as the elevated levels were recorded, to work on that corrosion control and get that in place. corrosion control takes time. we are seeing elevated numbers. but we're also seeing in general an improvement overall. >> reporter: a community fearful and worried about their health. >> our thanks to nbc's meagan fitzgerald. that wraps up our show today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next, including that speech from president biden on those supply chain issues. stay with us. coaching. new workouts. and screening for colon cancer. yep. the american cancer society recommends screening starting at age 45, instead of 50,
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