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all right, that's going to do it for us tonight. i will see you again tomorrow. "way too early" is up next. ♪♪ clearly, governor abbott knows the federal rules supersede the state, why do you think he did this? >> politics. i think it's pretty clear, when you make a choice that's against all public health information and data out there, that it's not based on what is in the interest of the people you are governing. it's perhaps in the interest of your own politics. governor greg abbott's ban on vaccine mandates is setting up a clash between the state of texas and the biden administration, with many companies stuck in the middle. the question is, will businesses comply with the governor's order? or federal requirements? plus, lawmakers vote to lift
the debt ceiling, but a bigger fight is looming when it comes to a $3.5 trillion spending bill. the question is how will democrats shrink the social spending plan? and life imitates art, william shatner is expected to launch into space later today. the question is, couldn't he just beam himself up? it's "way too early" for this. good morning. welcome to "way too early." the show that's honored to boldly go into your living room each and every morning. i'm jonathan lemire on this wednesday, october 13th. we'll start with the news. amid the ongoing debate over the coronavirus booster shots drugmaker moderna is urging the fda to approve a half dose of its covid vaccine as a booster. the fda released a review yesterday, suggesting an additional half dose of the moderna vaccine increased
antibody levels in people who received a two-dose regiment at least six months earlier. despite the finding, an fda reviewer declined to say whether the third shot was necessary. saying data shows the two doss protect. and children as young as 5 by early november. the move is in anticipation of the fda's clearing pfizer's covid vaccine for children ages 5 to 11 in the coming weeks. the biden administration has purchased 65 million pediatric doses of the pfizer vaccine, enough to vaccinate the estimated 20 million children who would be eligible for a shot. starting next month, the biden administration will allow fully vaccinated foreign travelers to enter the united states by land. for the first time since march 2020, visitors from canada or mexico, will be able to come into the u.s. for nonessential purposes, like tourism.
homeland security secretary ali hand grow mayorkas is expected to formally announce the rules later today. texas governor greg abbott barring vaccine made dates by private businesses isn't going over well with the state's largest employers. "the wall street journal" reports american airlines say they won't follow that order. as federal contractors they must abide by the biden administration's federal vaccination mandate. the journal goes on to report the greater houston partnership which represents 900 companies including exxonmobil and jpmorgan chase said governor abbott as order will make it difficult to separate safely. the organization has been generally supportive to require vaccines. monday's orders was a shift for the texas governor who previously maintained that private businesses should set their own employee requirements. meanwhile, a florida county administrator is blasting
governor ron desantis, after being slapped with a more than $3.5 million for implementing an employee vaccine mandate. leon county's vince long calls it, quote, a political strat with which has nothing to do with the decisions that were taken. and the county required all its employees to get vaccinated by october 1st. and subsequently fired 14 people who refused to do so. in a statement, desantis' spokeswoman writes in part, quote, the governor will continue fighting for floridians' rights and the florida department of health will continue to enforce the law. white house press secretary jen psaki is also criticizing local governors who resisted vaccine mandates. >> our intention is to implement and continue to work to implement across the states
attempting to impose them. i will say, since you gave me the opportunity, governor abbott's executive order banning mandates i will also note the statement by governor desantis this morning, fit a particular part turn that we've seen putting politics over public health. 700,000 lives have been lost to covid-19. 68,000 in texas, and every meter should be focused on saving lives and the pandemic. >> joining me now, my friend and colleague at the associated press, my friend darlene superville. darlene, thank you for being here. let's start there with the governors and the white house over vaccines and mandates. we've seen the pushback from the gop lawmakers unwilling to issue vaccine mandates for adults. how much is the white house accepting from the same
governors and perhaps parents once children are eligible to get the vaccine? >> the white house is expecting pushback. there are 70 million americans in this country who have not been vaccinated against covid-19. and presumably, many of those people have children. so a 5-year-old cannot walk into the local cvs on their own. their parent or guardian will have to take them. and if the parent doesn't believe in getting vax natured vaccinated themselves, it extends to vaccinating the child as well. so, that's where you'll see, probably some pushback, when it comes to the white house, eager to get that portion of the anti-covid situation under control. >> as we're been covering, the white house is initially resistant to have the mandates
but as the president and frustration has grown, with those who haven't gotten the shots, calling it the pandemic of the unvaccinated. we have seen them used and to some success, certainly, we've heard from them thinking the numbers have gone up because of exactly that. turning to infrastructure, let's talk about the latest in terms of the $3.5 trillion bill. we know that president biden is starting to make more of a public case for it. he was in michigan and on friday, to rally support of the bill. but we know it's going to shrink. what's your belief in terms what could come out of that $3.5 trillion bill to get it across the finish line? >> well, you heard the white house say yesterday it's no longer a $3.5 trillion bill. it's going to be more in the order of $2 trillion. and so house speaker nancy pelosi yesterday said that when the size of the bill shrinks, decisions will have to be made about what goes into it.
some of the more liberal members of congress want a lot of things. money for climate change. education. child care. health care and other issues. but when the size of the bill comes down, you have to -- choices have to be made about what goes in it. can speaker pelosi, released a letter to some of her colleagues saying what she was hearing from some of her members is that they want to do a few things well, instead of trying to do everything that was in the initial $3.5 trillion package. so, what we're going to see the next couple of weeks or so is this give or take between moderate democrats and liberal democrats who want much more. they're going to have to figure out what goes into the bill. and what they can live with. what they can live without. >> certainly watching the progressives will be key on this.
darlene, one last one for you here, what role do you think during the negotiations that president biden himself will play? >> well, we've seen him step up his engagement in the last couple of weeks on the bill, having members of congress come to the white house for one-on-one meetings. he had a couple of group meetings with moderate lawmakers. a group of more liberal lawmakers. and i would expect to see him continue that level of engagement, if not step it up, even more. you mentioned an upcoming trip where he will, again, talk about his agenda and what he wants to do for americans. and i think we'll also see him travel a little bit more, as well as continue to engage with lawmakers over the legislation. because they are facing an october 31st deadline. and that's basically around the corner. >> the ap's darlene superville. thank you so much. i'm sure i'll be talking to you in a couple hours. still ahead, a coroner released the caution of death for gabby petito, the
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we now know what caused the death of 22-year-old gabby petito. this comes as police continue the manhunt for fiance brian laundrie. nbc news correspondent kristin dahlgren has the detail. >> reporter: after a confirming almost, the coroner reveals how gabby petito was killed. >> the manner homicide. >> reporter: the body discovered in the wyoming wilderness, that would put gt's death around the last week of august. the last sights of petito was august 27th. two weeks after the police
stopped petito and her boyfriend brian laundrie, after bystanders reported domestic violence. no charges were filed. the coroner said the case is in the hand of investigators and dna taken by the fbi. >> this included a whole-body c.a.t. scan. determination by forensic pathologists. it pretty much covered all the bases. >> reporter: investigators have been searching for laundrie for a month. on debit charge questioning and questioning on homicide. after his parents said he want hiking in september and never returned. and adding brian is only considered a person of interest in relation to gabby petito demise. at this time, brian is still missing and when he's located we will address the pending fraud charge against him. no comment from petito's family as they learn more about the
final hours. the state department is investigating new complaints of the so-called havana syndrome. this time in colombia. this comes a week before secretary of state blinken is scheduled to visit the country. symptoms include headaches, nausea and memory loss. colombia's president said the country would be investigating reports. so far 200 u.s. officials have reported symptoms of the havana syndrome over the past five years in several countries. the reason for symptoms, unknown. the number of americans quitting their jobs have surged to record highs. according to new data released by the labor department 4.3 million people quit in august that was driven largely by the food and retail industries. and in april, 4 million walked off the job. experts say this is driven in part by workers less willing to endure inconvenient hours, poor
compensation or seeksing better opportunities. according to the labor department there were about 10.4 million job openings in the united states at the end of august. a u.s. task force is recommending that doctors should not prescribe low-dose aspirin to prevent a first heart attack or stroke. the new proposal comes after evidence suggests there is a high rick of serious side effects that outweigh any potential benefit. the updated guidance says that adults in their 40s and 50s should only take aspirin if their doctors determine they're at high risk of heart disease. taking a low dose is more recommended. the panel has withdrawn recommendation that baby aspirin be taken to present cholesterol. still ahead, all of the highlights from the mlb games. plus one of the players gets sidelined after refusing to take a covid vaccine. sports, next.
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most importantly for the astros, they're one out away. ground ball right side, waiting on altuve. he has it. throws to first. that is the ball game and that is the division series. >> the houston astros are medded to the american league championship series for the fifth straight year. houston bouncing back from a 12-6 loss on sunday eliminated the chicago white sox with a 10-1 victory in game four of the alds series yesterday. the astros disciplined for a sign stealing scandal will host the boston red sox in game one friday night. welcome to the red sox bandwagon to rest of america. to atlanta, a back and forthaffair between the brewers and braves. the braves coming back from a pair of two-run deficits but milwaukee sent out the all-star closer to pitch the eighth inning with the game tied at
4-4. >> two down in the eighth, freddie freeman, with the brewers in the shift. it's a fly ball to center field. lorenzo cain back. freddie freeman left the yard. >> and he's usually so good, no match there for the 2020 national league mvp, freddie freeman. freeman to give atlanta the lead. the braves went on to beat them 5-4, without their best player. atlanta will face the winner of the other national division series between the giants and dodgers. those teams now headed into a decisive game five. that's ing to be so much fun. after the dodgers evened the series over san francisco last night. back to the bay area tomorrow. giants will host the dodgers in game five. the stalemate between the nba and players refusing to be
vaccinated after the brooklyn nets issued a requirement, that irving will not have part-time ability with his decision not to comply with new york city's vaccine mandate. stating anyone entering into an indoor gym including the barclay's center must have at least one dose. and making it eligible to play sets the stage for a potential battle between the team and the players union. which according to the "the new york times" has already been pushing back on the league's plan to dock the pay for unvaccinated players for games they miss because of ordinances in their home cities. irving who, mind you, has also suggested that the earth is flat is due to lose about $380,000 for every home game he misses. but he'll still be paid for the road games. time now for the weather. let's go to meteorologist bill karins. bill, how are you doing today? and what's the weather looking
like? >> i'm doing well. but it's really unfortunate that someone has to win that series between the astros and red sox. for a yankee fan, it's a very difficult proposition. >> wait a minute. i've heard the comparisons. willie geist was out here suggesting red sox or astros, the only possible scenario rooting for the red sox. >> really. >> to all of you people, the red sox, the astros, they have disciplined and had people fired. root for the sox. >> all right. you've had the speech prepared for a while. all right. let's get into this forecast today. so, we had this blizzard going none wyoming. this has been a pretty significant winter storm. we also had numerous tornadoes reported in areas of north texas and oklahoma. not too much. we heard one barn destroyed. we didn't have any injuries or
fatalities. we still have a line of storms, people in central canada that just went through wichita. it's soon going to be headed to oklahoma city. there's lightning and thunder with the storms and possible wind damage that will weaken as it approaches kansas city early this morning. then at the same time, we have hurricane pamela, this one is moving from the pacific into areas of north central mexico. the only big significance this storm has, it's a low end, category 1 hurricane. but all of the rain from this is going to be sucked northward into the middle of the country. although the storm pamela is not causing damage in mexico, all of that rain is headed to texas in the next 24 to 36 hours. we could have locally heavy rain, especially north of laredo, dallas area, to waco to austin, 2 to 4 inches, 5 to 7 isolated because of that. we do have flash floods for people in southern oklahoma down
through waco and includes the san antonio area. we'll wait and see how that develops later on today and tomorrow for the heavy rain threat. the other story, just the incredible warmth continues. it's one of those rare days where boston will be warmer than phoenix, arizona and l.a. it's better today in boston than almost anywhere. 77 degrees and sunny. doesn't happen all that often. soak it up and enjoy it. still storms from texas to the midwest. the only chilly weather in the rockies where we have the snowstorm ongoing. tomorrow, we do it again in d.c., 82 degrees tomorrow. shorts and t-shirt weather continues now, jonathan, well into the middle of october. >> 82 degrees, come on. bill karins, thank you so much. >> i know. still ahead, democrats are weighing how to scale back their $3.5 trillion spending plan. but will everyone in that building get on the same page when it comes to trimming the price tag. we'll have the latest from
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with every yes coming from democrats, and no republicans backing the measure. without the extension the country was days away from its first default in history. the senate narrowly voted to raise the limit last week after fierce opposition by republicans. the bill will only stave off default until december when it will be addressed again. house speaker pelosi with democrats with potential cuts to the $3.5 trillion bill. pelosi warned at her weekly press briefing, stressing that caucus would work to make sure that restart the package to being, quote, transformative. >> we have some important decisions to make in the next few days so that we can proceed. i'm very disappointed that we're not going with the original 3.5 trillion which was very transformative. whatever we do it will be transformative. it will produce results. and we're very grateful to our president for saying i want to
pass the bipartisan -- bipartisan legislation on infrastructure. but i will not confine my vision to the future to what can be in that bill, hence, we need the build back better. >> "the washington post" reports that senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema's opposition has set off a frenzy of talks that increasingly have involved president biden who personally has warned democrats in recent days that their package is likely to be less than the $3.5 trillion. progressives originally adamant that the higher price tag was necessary have cutting the costs and remain persistent that moderates need to counter the offer. >> we continue to be up front about our priorities and clear about what we understand the mandate for voters to be. we're waiting for just a couple senators to tell us what their proposal is. >> we're all prepared to negotiate. we're prepared to compromise.
but we are not going to negotiate with ourselves. $3.5 trillion is already a major compromise. in my view, much too little, given the enormous problems facing us in terms of climate. and the dime is now long overdue for senators manchin and senator sinema to tell us exactly where they are sitting. what do they want to cut? >> to walk us through this, joining us now, thankfully, the co-founder of punchbowl news, anna palmer. she is an msnbc contributor. hey, good morning. thanks again for being here. let's start with the debt limit, you know, the crisis averted for now, but will democrats be forced to include the debt limit in the reconciliation bill in the weeks ahead? >> yeah, it's been really interesting to watch the body language of top leaders on capitol hill this week in particular. you've had steny hoyer, the number two house democrat, as well as speaker pelosi being
really open to adding raising the debt limit to the reconciliation package. this is very different from where they were even a couple weeks ago. i think it's now a foregone conclusion because they realize that republicans are not going to help them out of the next deadline of raising the debt limit by mid-december to early january. >> so, we just talked about how the spending bill, the build back better agenda is going to have to shrink. so, give us a couple points in terms of what might right now be the target size of this package. what sort of things may fall out or definitely stay in. and also talk about the timing of this, it's over years, right, which i feel like is maybe an overlooked aspect of this package? >> yeah, absolutely. it's very complicated right now. i don't think we can overstate, out of nowhere, there is no top line number that we understand that the progressives and
moderates are able to compromise on. the number we hear talked about is somewhere between 1.5 and $2.5 trillion but what we've been hearing on capitol hill is the progressives really hardening their stance. oftentimes, we talked about now joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, this is the demands they're going to make. this is where they're at. right now, the progressives, the medicare coverage that would expand for dental, hearing, vision, this is something that costs a lot of money. right now, we have -- that must be in this. that costs a ton of money. i think that's something to look at as one of the bargaining references that come down on that. the timing here is very critical here, the speaker has said october 31st is the deadline that's when the surface transportation money runs out but that's not actually the deadline. they can push this for at least another month or two. i think we're probablying seeing an end of year discussion,
coupling the overall reconciliation package with raising the debt limit. i think actually they will get to the decision by the end of the month. >> and talking about how president biden is kind of taking a public role in this, trying to sell this back to the road, after washington for a few weeks. talk about the democrats on capitol hill. the democrats trying to get this done to have something run on as they go for re-election next year. how much of that right now is their calculation? do they feel like moderates, progressives alike, do they think, hey, i'm going to face voters in a year. >> well, terry mcauliffe from virginia, talking about how important it is that democrats pass the reconciliation package to his election success in the coming days. congresswoman jayapal said, i
asked her is something better than nothing. she said no. that is a pretty stunning statement about just where progressives are right now. because i think a lot of folks at the white house, a lot of moderates, a lot of members in democratic leadership they actually know something is better than nothing here. because we're going to be facing a very touch midterm election. look at joe biden looking at the popularity. and how it waned in the last several months. so, this is going to be one of those real decision points. if terry mcauliffe loses that virginia race that would be a bellwether for democrats and increases pressure for something to get done. we'll see where they end up. >> terry mcauliffe certainly had a memorable appearance yesterday on "morning joe." you're right, we should be watching that progressive camp in the days ahead. anna palmer, thank you. still ahead, william shatner going where no actor has gone
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the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol will inpose criminal contempt charges against those who do not comply with its subpoenas according to congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming. the panel's vice chair. the committee subpoenaed four members of the trump administration including mark meadows and steve bannon who has declared he will not comply with the subpoena. that's according to nbc news. jamie raskin replied in a tweet, those who defy the order will have problems. joining me now, jennifer tod, her book "big dirty money" is
out in paperback. jennifer, thanks for being here. let's start with what might be on congressman raskin's mind? what additional measurement of punishment if one of the former trump officials is charged? >> good morning, jonathan. as it happened, congressman raskin was also a law professor, so he knows the three options that congress has. one that you mentioned was ago the committee go to nancy pelosi and use the criminal contempt statute which is 2 usb 192. under that statute, 194, what happens is when the referral is made by pelosi to the attorney general he actually has a duty to bring it to a grand jury. and with that criminal sanction comes up to one year in prison. and up to $100,000 fine. so, that's one option. the other two options, i think you've heard about a lot of talk
about this thing called inherent contempt. i'm doubtful that will be used. that's where the committee and the house would call on the sergeant at arms to imprison somebody for either not showing up to answer questions or raising documents. that doesn't seem likely. so the third option is just pursuing it as a civil case and we've seen that before. it's my expectation based on what we've heard congresswoman liz cheney saying last night, it's held to the desire of holding people like bannon accountable. i would expect they will actually make that referral, if he does not begin to cooperate. >> turning more to your wheelhouse, the senior doj official john carling announced new measures to combat white collar crime. what can you tell us about that? >> yeah, it's an interesting
speech, actually it's only getting attention right now. it happened last week. he gave a speech via an audience via zoom, an audience of corporate criminal defense attorneys. and what was incredibly surprising about this speech is how forth right he was, in saying that, you know, the party is over now for elite corporate criminals. that this administration, the biden administration and obviously the garland doj is no longer going to coddle repeat offenders. and they will use the power they have. and the new resources they're going to apply, to make sure that businesses stay on the up-and-up. and this was -- for those of us who noticed it, there was a piece in "the wall street journal" about it but not many people paid attention. but those who follow this era of law was impressed with carlin's
speech. it hit the right notes and he has the backing of lisa monaco, and obviously the backing of merrick garland. i was incredibly released and te speech. >> jennifer, thank you for helping bring it to our attention. see you soon. earlier in the show, we asked, why are you awake? one viewer writes, i'm up way too early because my cat decided it was time to go into labor. these guys are going to be as adorable as their older brothers and sister. another viewer is not up way too early, writing, it's 12:30 p.m. here in romania. been awake for a long time. good morning, jonathan. thank you for helping with our vital romanian demographics. suzy writes, so much for being empty nesters. my husband is up with our dog we intended to foster. also, we have a deluge of notes from angry astros fans. i stand by every word i said.
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a new wildfire in california is raging caused by high winds in santa barbara. erin mclaughlin has the details. >> reporter: it's a battle to save california's coastline from devastation. the fire burns out of control, shutting down a section of the pacific coast highway. the breathtaking views marred by smoke. >> not only is this area prone to significant fires and has had significant damage in the past, but it is also a beautiful area. >> reporter: the fire doubling in size, forcing evacuations from the forest to the sea. firefighters now defending the famed reagan ranch, once known
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♪♪ joining us now with a look at axios a.m., political reporter hans nichols. good morning. what is the axios 1 big thing right now? >> good morning, jonathan. the one big thing we're looking at is this progressive rally that will take place on thursday outside the white house on the ellipse, where they're fighting for their priorities in the build back better agenda. there is a massive chopping block a lot of the groups are trying to avoid. no one knows how big the chopping block is going to be. going from $3.5 trillion to somewhere in the $2 trillion range. manchin says he wants to be at $1.5 trillion. but what you're starting to see is progressive groups taking public some of their private concern that they'll be left out. here's the interesting thing, jonathan. a lot of those groups, they're looking for safety in numbers. at a certain point, they may have to decide whether or not to support the entire bill, even if they're left out. but right now, they're all
advocating on behalf of each other, for each other. they want the bill to be as big as possible. they're not just fighting for their own parochial interest, though this rally here is specifically about paid family medical leave. that can be anywhere from $220 billion to $500 billion depending on how many weeks you offer people trying to take care of people in their family. >> there's been so much attention on the moderates, particularly the two senators, sinema and manchin, what they are insisting in this. interesting to watch the progressives when they draw a line and say, hey, we can't cut any further.ios also has new reporting of this backlog of cargo ships off the coast of california. what have you and your colleagues found out about what the biden administration is doing to fix the bottleneck? >> this morning, today, they'll be having a virtual summit at the white house with a lot of private-public partnerships, officials from target, walmart. the goal is to take the port of los angeles to 24/7 operations.
that's what president biden will be announcing. the port of long beach went there. they didn't do it on all terminals, but there is going to be a massive problem with the supply problems. imf, we saw that when they downgraded outlook. this is the biden administration's attention to get out and solve one part of the problem. you know, as you know as well as i do, supply chains have many different nodes to them. this is one part of it. throughout the country, there are challenges here. so this is an indication, though, that the white house is going to be very proactive on this issue. >> certainly could be a political danger if people can't get christmas presents. i know there's been warnings from retailers that folks should do shopping now. hans, i'll send you a list. coronavirus vaccinations, meanwhile, are slowly on the rise across the country. axios has been tracking this, cases, inoculations. what are the latest figures you can share with us? >> well, my colleague kaitlin
owens, there is an inflection point today, and that is the third boosters or third shots, the boosters are now outnumbering on a daily average the number of initial doses that are given. so this is an indication that third boosters are really taking -- the third shots are taking hold, that it's out there. it is also troubling because, you know, you talk to epidemiologists, and my colleagues certainly did. they want to see the first dose number get higher and stay higher. because you look at the numbers, and i think we're at 77% of the vaccinated population, population is vaccinated, those eligible for it. it is showing the third booster, the third shot strategy is taking hold, especially with older americans. you still have a challenge with unvaccinatd americans. >> still a deep frustration in the white house and the administration about those who refuse to get the first shot, believing that is still the cause, of course, of cases across the country. hans nichols, thank you so much for being here this morning. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on
this wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. two down in the eighth. freddie freeman. brewers in a shift. fly ball to center field. cade going back. at the wall, freddie freeman left the yard and put the braves on top in the bottom of the eighth! >> unbelievable. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is wednesday, october the 13th. willie, man, one of the most beloved guys in the game. he takes the braves to an unlikely place. i mean, the brewers throughout the year, everybody kept saying, watch the brewers. they're a great team. they are. but man, freddie freeman finishing them off with a walk-off. >> great to see atlanta rocking again as it was last night. freddie freeman, the all star, the leader of the team, the face of the franchise, bottom of the eighth hits the solo home run. lock it down in the