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"meet the press daily." and our coverage continues with geoff bennett right now. it is good to be with you. i'm geoff bennett. and it is a critical day on multiple fronts in the battle over abortion rights. the justice department is against stepping in, urging courts to rein-state the suspension of that texas law that bans nearly all abortions across the state. the appeal is to a lower court, but the message to the supreme court is unmistakable, quote, if texas' scheme is permissible, no constitutional right is safe from state sanctioned sabotage of this kind before in effect, the doj saying to those conservative justices, the way texas found to get around abortion rulings could be used for instance by progressive states to enact bans on gun rights for instance. and as we await that ruling, a
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abortion returns part of a blockbuster term that could result in a gusting of roe v. wade. and the case is in kentucky. and an appeals court has already ruled had it is unconstitutional. both of these cases could provide tea leaves on how the court will ultimately rule on what has been the law of the land since 1973. joining us as we start the hour, pete williams and nyu law professor melissa murray. and also wendy murphy is back with us. she is a former state prosecutor and new england law boston professor. so pete, let's start with the case before the court today, the kentucky case. and your reporting that the supreme court appears inclined to allow kentucky's republican attorney general to step into defend their controversial
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abortion law. so this is a procedural issue, but what is the greater significance here? >> the greater significance is whether states can do this sort of thing. i don't think that it goes much beyond that. the word abortion was mention the just once today during the 70 plus minutes of oral art. argument. and justice breyer says that there was a change in the political leadership so why not allow the attorney general to step in when as the chief justice said the deck was shuffled to take another shot at it. it is a very technical question. the attorney general was involved in the early stages of the litigation. and then signed an agreement saying that he would stay out. and now wants to come back in and the question is can they do that. did the lower court, the 6th circuit court of appeals who reviews its discretion by saying no, you're too late, you had your chance. that is the real question.
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but even if he wins today before the supreme court, what does he win? he wins the right to go back to the 6th circuit and say please rehear this case. and the 6th circuit might say no and they might say yes and still rule against kentucky. so it is very incremental and rather technical and i don't think that we learned a lot about what the supreme courtens thinks about the larger issue of abortion. mr.. >> so what does it suggest to you that the supreme court decided to hear the case? >> i think that that is really important. and pete is 100% on the law. but the political question about why the supreme court of the united states would bother itself with what is really a fairly trivial procedure question, something that the supreme court really wouldn't be interested in in an ordinary case. and remember, they get so many cases filed every year, they take about 1%, why did they take this one.
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if what they suggested actually happens and the attorney general can reignite the abortion debate, the attorney general can file an appeal with this supreme court, something that had been precluded by the fact that the 6th circuit struck it down and the attorney general at that time chose not to appeal to the supreme court. so really this is -- my opinion, the supreme court of the united states saying we want this case. we hope to give you the power, mr. attorney general conservative, to go back, relitigate and bring it back to us because we want to uphold this restriction on abortion rights. i think that is what the court was signaling today. >> so melissa, the texas abortion ban. the 5th circuit court was asked to halt the ban while the challenge to the state law is appealed. so what then happens next?
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will the supreme court weigh in here too? >> i think that it is likely that we'll see this go back to the supreme court at some point, but first it will have to be decided by the 5th circuit and they issued an administrative stay in this case that is only a temporary measure. it will hear and issue a ruling on broader issue coming in the next couple of days. i think that there is papers that are due to the court on thursday so we'll hear something after that. but yes, this could totally be on a fast track back to the supreme court. the way that this interacts with the cameron case in kentucky, again i think it is quite broad. the justice department noted in its brief before the 5th circuit that this is a situation where there needs to be some kind of action because basically you have a state in open defiance of the supreme court and its edict. and if the court or any court doesn't decide to intervene in these circumstances, then we'll have a situation where states can basically do whatever they like without -- regardless of what the supreme court says. a similar kind of issue is at
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stake here in the cameron case. and i don't agree with pete that this is merely a procedural issue. it is a procedural issue but one that will have lasting consequences. if a state official can simply come back and intervene in a case that has already been decided and where a fellow state official has refused to pursue any possible appeals, that leaves the door open in any other situation like voting rights advocacy, like in certifying state electors for some state official to step back in and say i want another bite of this apple. so this is about abortion today, but it could be about any issue going forward. >> so let's talk about the time line here, pete. how soon could the supreme court rule not only on these two cases but you also have the mississippi case coming down the pike too and they are expected to hear that case in december. >> june. that is the civil answer. the court won't give all the answers on the abortion issue until probably toward the end of the term even though the case will be argued relatively early
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on. you can bet that the opinions will go back and forth in the drafting. the highly controversial cases tend to come out by the end of the term by late june. of course it is very possible that the court could issue at anytime before then, but my guess would be that we won't see the big decision on the missouri roe v. wade challenge until june. if the texas case gets to the supreme court, i think that puts the supreme court in a difficult position. states cannot ban abortion before viability and that is what the texas law does. but if the supreme court says yes, they can, then that undercuts the federal government's argument against the texas law. so will they hold the texas case until they decide the mississippi case? i don't know. i mean, technically speaking abortion is not the issue right now in texas. the issue is can a state come up with a law that deprives someone
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of a constitutional right and then say i'm sorry, you can't come into court and challenge it. so, you know, i suppose in theory the court could take this case before it decides mississippi. it does seem pretty likely that it is coming back there. in one sense it is already there, there is already a challenge to the law that was brought in the state that is now the people opposing the law are asking the supreme court to take it now even before it gets through the 5th ser cut. circuit. but i don't know what the supreme court will do. i think that it presents a difficult challenge. >> wendy, on the particulars of the texas abortion ban, you told our team this morning that in your view it is so outrageous for any legislature to pass a law for the purpose of preventing judicial review. i underlined had in my notes and would like to have you unpack that for us. >> yeah, i think that is by far the most important aspect of the
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case because i think that it is so clear that the six week abortion ban is unconstitutional. whether everybody should be talking about is whether a state can avoid complying with the constitution by passing a law that forbids the courts to correct them when they do it. so in my opinion, the texas legislature should be impeached for treason. what they did was not just offend women's rights by enacting a law that they knew and discussed openly would be unconstitutional, so they knew that what they were doing is antithetical to their mandate which is to pass laws that are constitutional and only laws that are constitutional by doing what they did and then enacting anned a junk difference law that said we'll make it impossible for the courts to get involved so we'll usurp the constitution by this kind of covert way of making the law immune if you will from the courts getting involved to correct it. now, this is the way that our
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system of government works in this very nice balance, right? that each of the three branches of government, judicial, executive and legislative, hold each other accountable to make sure that they don't act outside their authority. when the legislative branch acts outside its authority, we have entitled as a democracy to have the courts get involved to correct that. well, the way that they enenacted this provision that said only the private person can enforce the six week abortion ban and then conspired all the private persons who would fight to up holgtd the hold the law to keep it out of the courts, that is treasonous and a scandal way beyond the abortion ban because of a threat to our democracy. and if you were the department of justice and i had the ability, i'd take some kind of action against the legislature for doing this. i don't know if they can be criminally prosecuted, but at a minimum can we try to impeach
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the entire body because this is truly destructive to our very form of government at its foundation and that scares me. >> wendy, melissa, pete, appreciate the three of you for your insights. meantime a short distance from the supreme court today just across the street, the house is back in session. and that means that threading the needle at a make or break moment for president biden and house speaker nancy pelosi. >> we have some important decisions to make in the next few days so that we can proceed. i'm very disappointed had we're not going with the original $3.5 trillion, whatever we do, it will be transformative and produce results and we're grateful to our president for saying that i want to pass the bipartisan legislation on infrastructure. but i will not confine my vision for the future to what can be in that bill. >> joining us now is leigh ann
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caldwell. and so the house convenes in about an hour from now, around 3:00 p.m., to vote to extend the nation's debt limit through early december. we've talked about how this is a short term fix. but the house speaker in her press conference today, she appeared to support a way to break this debt ceiling logjam moving forward. tell us about it. >> reporter: she did. she knows that this has become politically cumbersome for both parties. the fact that congress has to lift or suspend the debt limit every year or two and it becomes embroiled in partisan politics. what she said at a press conference, that there is an idea that has, quote, maris she said merit and that was putting it on the administration perhaps the treasury secretary to lift the debt limit and then congress has the ability to overrule or override that. that idea seems to be gaining traction.
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but the question is would it pass congress. because if that were to become the process, it would have to pass both bodies of congress and perhaps they could do that before the debt limit has to be lifted again and sometime in december, that is still unclear. but it does seem to be that is a much bigger talking point as both parties are becoming more inundated with this decision and the politics behind the debt limit. >> thanks for that live update from the russell senate building. more breaking news, new developments in a month long mystery, investigators are expected to hold a news conference in moments on the autopsy in the gaby petito case. and also one of the nfl coaches steps down, the emails that surfaced showing jon gruden using misogynistic and homophobic language.
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in a sports world shocker, the head coach of the las vegas raiders is now out. jon gruden resigned just hours after a bombshell "new york times" report details years of offensive emails verified by the nfl but not obtained by nbc news. in those emails, the coach uses racist, sexist and homophobic
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language to attack a long list of people in an around the league including players and the commissioner of the nfl. and steve patterson has more. >> reporter: a stunning fall from grace broadcast to millions of primetime football fans. >> breaking news tonight, jon gruden out as las vegas raiders head coach. >> reporter: and nfl coach and former monday night football analyst jon gruden announcing his exit as head coach of the raiders after emails revealed a torrent of sexist, anti-gay language aimed at players and league officials. gruden saying in part i love the raiders and do not wish to be a distraction. i'm sorry, i never meant to hurt anyone. the emails confirmed by the nfl but not seen by nbc news were initially discovered during a misconduct investigation into the washington football team
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while gruden was an analyst for espn. and last week, it was learned gruden used a racist trope to describe demaurice smith in a 2011 email writing that i has lips the seize of might be lynn tire measure lin might be lin tires. and he also called michael sam a queer, disparaging players who protested during the national anthem, panning the hiring of female referees and mocking league efforts to reduce concussions. >> it wasn't just something that crossed his mind, but he formalized it in a writing and hit send. people say all sorts of things sort of on the cuff that they shouldn't. this is more than that. >> reporter: according to the "times," gruden also exchanged
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email photos with other men showing women wearing only bikini bottoms including cheerleaders. the league slammed the action also calling them contrary to the nfl's values. >> our thanks to steve patter soon. and with us now is the author of "loving sports when they don't love you back." good to have you with us. in your latest column, you write gruden is not an anomaly, the locker room culture is long view the noised as a hyper mass cuellar toxic environment in which conformity is valued above all else but this is an owner driven league, one in which the men in charge set the tone for everyone below them. it is still a good old boys club. expand on that for us. >> yeah, i think that people will be extremely naive if they
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think that with one resignation with jon gruden being gone these kinds of sentiments and this kind of language is suddenly eradicated from the nfl. the fact of the matter is that jon gruden felt very comfortable sending those emails, a lot september to former gm bruce allen. he knew he had a sympathetic ear. that the people he was sending the emails too wouldn't be like hold on, this is not language that we should use. and so i think that we have to acknowledge that while accountability looks like this, it looks like jon gruden not having his job, it certainly doesn't end here even though we might want to think that this is the final straw here. >> what struck a lot of people the most about this story is that gruden was offensively mocking some many of the initiatives that the nfl is trying to prioritize. racial justice issues, celebrating gay players, promotion of female referees.
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i'm sure a lot of people worry whether this is a window into what the top brass really thinks. >> look, will definitely is not a certain that has just arisen. when the nfl came out with its very front-facing statement in support of "black lives matter" last summer, it was this monumentous video, but a lot of people were skeptical. let's see something other than public messaging. because you won't just suddenly change the hearts and might of a bunch of owners and coaches who have allowed this kind of a culture to exist. and it should also be said that not only is the nfl trying to be on the right side of history when it comes to athlete act it i tim and anti-racism, but the raiders themselves, the raiders were the franchise that hired the firstit i tim and anti-racism, but the raiders themselves, the raiders were the franchise that hired the first ever bleak coach, the
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first woman gm, and they have the first active openly gay player ever in the nfl. and this kind of flies in the face of all. and i think about the employees and the people who had to reach the things that the coach were saying about them and what kind of culture was being fostered in a locate room that from every report has actually been more inclusive thank you might expect. >> so in the 30 seconds or so that we have left, what should happen across the organization and across the nfl? >> first and foremost, more of this will come out. like you said at the top of the segment, this was part of a trope of 650,000 emails that came about. and this is more of this to be found and i'll be looking with open eyes to see what else and what other official and what other coaches and executives have used language like this as well. >> thank you so much for your time.
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six years ago a tv news journalist and station photographer were killed by a former co-worker while reporting live for virginia station wdbj. and now video of the deadly attack of alison parker and adam ward surfaced on social media, some of it taken by the gunman himself. and yearste continues to surface forcing their loved ones to relive the terrible day. and now parker's father is calling on the ftc to take action against facebook. >> posting content, violence content, and murder on social media is not free speech. it is savagery. as you all know, allison's murder shared on facebook, instagram and youtube is just
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one of the egregious practices that are undermining the fan breck of our society. >> joining us now is allison's father andy parker, author of the book "for allison." thanks for being with us. give us a sense, what has it been like for you and your family to have this video continually resurface years later? >> thanks for having me on the program, geoff. as everyone knows, i've never seen the video. i've come close because it is like a landmine out there. i hope never to see it if i can help it. but knowing that it is out there, that people, children, can stumble on it and see this horrific execution, it troubles me deeply. and i just can't abide by it. and that is why not only did i file the ftc complaint against
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facebook today but it is also -- we did a similar thing happens with the georgetown civil rights law clinic almost two years ago filing against google and youtube and we haven't heard a thing from them. and that is what i mentioned today, that talk is cheap. it is time for the ftc do something. >> facebook claims that it built a digital finger print for this video and that allows their artificial intelligence to remove or block that video entirely. have you seen any evidence of that claim in action? >> none. not at all. and in fact mark ginsburg sent a letter to sheryl sandberg and she said thank you for flagging it, we'll take care of it, and of course nothing happened.
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frances haugen is my new hero, the whistleblower who testified last week before congress. and she validated everything that i've maintained over the last five years is that these guys have the ability to take the stuff down and they just don't want to do it because it impacts their bottom line. >> we learned from her testimony that artificial intelligence systems put in place really are not sufficient to monitor content on that platform. would you like to see facebook hire a human moderation team to look for this content and take it down since whatever they are doing so far isn't sufficient? >> well, they keep claiming that they do and we have all these moderators and youtube says the same thing. not sure what they are doing all day, but they are not come doin job. in reality, until congress
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reacts, i know that they have a lot on their plate obviously they are running around like their hair is on fire these days. but this is something that they can -- they -- both sides of the aisle are disgusted with social media. they should come together and do something to rectify this. and the way do it is to eliminate the immunity from liability that google and facebook now enjoy. because if they find themselves in court and people are suing the hell out of them and it is death by a thousand cuts, they will do something about it. >> and fighting big social media companies isn't easy. dealing with big government agencies like the ftc isn't easy. how do you do that while you also mourn the loss of your daughter, how do you guard your heart? >> well, that is a good question. and i'm asked why i do what i do. and it gets me every time.
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but i do it because allison would expect nothing less. i do it for her. and i do it for other people that have been harmed in similar fashion. but like i say, she is always with me and i'm doing it for her and others. >> andy parker, thanks so much for your time. really appreciate it. >> thank you, geoff. and right now, we're getting an update from wyoming and the investigation into the death of gabby petito, the teton county coroner is revealing the findings of their final autopsy including the cause of her death. and law enforcement have categorized her killing and disappearance as suspicious. and her body was discovered on september 19. and she was last seen or heard of in august during a cross-country road trip with her fiance brian laundrie. let's listen into this press
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conference. >> -- able to pinpoint a of the day death and if you know whether -- or when gabby's remains will be returned to her family? >> the remains have been returned to the mortuary here and the mortuary is dealing with the family at this time as far as the disposition of the remains. as far as the time of death, we are estimating three to four weeks from the time that the body was found. [ inaudible ]. -- than our office. >> and go ahead, you are able to ask your question. >> what is the question? i didn't hear a question.
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>> i believe that you are muted. >> this is john walsh from "in pursuit." doctor, thank you for your time. i think that everybody in the world believes that brian laundrie killed gabby. with your work on the body, are you sure that it is brian laundrie and will the fbi issue a nationwide homicide warrant now that they know the cause of death? >> we are only tasked with the determination of cause of manner of death. who committed the homicide is up to law enforcement. and i cannot answer the question about the fbi. you would have to contact them.
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>> hello, doctor. if you could please -- can you comment on any other bruising, maybe on the body that possibly was healing, possibly older bruises or cuts that might have been healing over the past couple weeks before her passing? >> there is no other information about the autopsy that is released, just the cause of death. >> and this is a reporter at abc action news in tampa, florida. i just wanted to know if you could explain why it took about a month for this process to finish. i think a lot of people were hoping that they would learn this information sooner. so i just think if you could explain the process and why it
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took a month. >> many reason was that we were very exacting in the examination and the detail by which the examination was done. we were waiting for various specialists to come in and help us with this investigation. we were waiting on toxicology to be returned. and it was just a matter of making sure that we had everything right. >> thank you. >> is there another question? >> brian enton. i believe that you are unmuted right now.
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okay. >> so we'll break away from the press conference and bring in dasha burns. bring us up to speed with what we learned from the coroner about the cause of death. >> look, i've been reporting on this story from the beginning. and from the beginning, there have been many more questions than answers. and what we just heard a few moments ago were some concrete answers that everyone has been waiting for. gabby's body was found on september 19th and we are just now learning from the teton county coroner's office that the cause of death was strangulation. he said it took a long time to get those final results, so it was ruled a homicide pretty quickly after the body was found, but this cause of death took some time because they were consulting with experts that were doing toxicology reports. the story has had so much national attention that it seems that they wanted to be as thorough as possible. the other piece that we learned
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here is a bit more clarity on the time line. she passed away about three to four weeks ago he said. and the time line has been a big puzzle. we've been looking at social media, putting the small puzzle pieces together. but there have been a lot of questions including gabby's mother wondering whether or not the final message she received from gabby's phone on august 27th, she had been suspicious as to whether or not that was in fact gabby. and we know that her mother spoke with her august 25th via facetime and that was the last time that she was sure that she talked to gabby. we don't have a specific time and date of death. i'm curious to see if those details might come out later. but the big question, what does it mean for the investigation. we know that brian laundrie is still missing. he has been named a person of
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interest in this investigation. but a suspect has not yet been named. and there is a federal warrant out for brian's arrest having to do with some alleged financial fraudulent activities. but again, no suspect here. so is what we just learned going to change that. we'll have to see in the coming hours and days. >> so how does this help with the ongoing investigation, the fact that law enforcement now knows that she was killed by strangulation three to four week before her body was found? >> i think the priority right now is finding brian laundrie. we're in week four of the search for him and this search is now spanning multiple states. we know that law enforcement in florida are searching for him. last week brian's father chris laundrie joined in that search. he helped help look in the carlton preserve trying to pinpoint spots where he knew
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brian liked to hike. and i also spoke to a hiker on the appalachian trail in north carolina who called 911 last week claiming to have had an interaction with a person he believes to be brian laundlaund. and the fbi tip line has been ringing off the hook as they field tips. so the number one priority is really ramping up that search at this point because it has been a long time looking for gabby's fiance here. >> and our thoughts today are certainly with gabby's family. . coming up, constant blackouts in puerto rico. why there could be a collapse of the power grid. and everything could soon cost more. and everything could soon cost more.
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you may have noticed it has gotten more expensive to fill up at the pump these days. the price for oil has shot up 69% over the last year. topping $80 a barrel today. unfortunately, the spike is just beginning. and nearly every aspect of the economy will see an impact. with us now is host of npr's full disclosure podcast. great to have you back with us. so what is behind the spike in costs? is this a good old fashioned supply and demand dynamic here? >> it is always supply and demand dynamic. if you think back to the had oig of the pandemic breaking in the spring of 2020, there was such a sho being that could you not give oil away. we crossed a negative price at one point. so what will all the small and large and multination al players going to do, they will slash production and panic. and all of that seemed to have
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bottomed out by october. but as the economy came back online, we noticed that there was supply shortages left and right. something that you and i talked about constantly. and now is this a case of rolling supply shortages across the planet, not just oil and gasoline, but natural gas, coal, kerosene, you name it. >> and so any end in sight to this or is this just the beginning of a long term increase given that economies all around the world are reopening after covid? >> i think that the interesting sub story here is the extent to which we still depend on natural gas and coal, the transitional fuels. even natural gas has less carbon intensity than coal. but when things happen such as the wind mills in europe are not running at full tilt, you attitudinally have to burn a lot more natural gas and if you burn it all, you have to turn to coal and oil. so we've kind of regressed and
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there is worry about a much colder than normal winter. much like the hotter summer that caused full tilt with the air conditioning units. >> so what can we do to alleviate the cost increases? short of buying a barrel of oil and putting it on the back porch. >> good news is that we're driving a lot less because of the work from home. nowhere near where the economy was brought to its these. this is a sloper creep up of a higher energy price shock. both at the pump and the heat being bill. if we get a colder than expected winter, there is a far less slack and so it could push the economy into a broader slowdown but still scepticism about that. >> all right.
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thanks. and puerto rico has declared a state of emergency as waves of blackouts roll across the island. aging power plants and infrastructure have crippled puerto rico. and gabe guttierez has more. >> reporter: good afternoon. this island with more than 3 million american citizens has faced power problems before. but there is new frustration here. and in congress, a house committee is now looking into the outages. across puerto rico, an urgent power struggle. frequent blackouts as times impacting hundreds of thousands of people. >> we are having practically weekly shutdowns. >> reporter: and hurricanes erma and maria decimated their infrastructure. and now they say that the island's power grid is in critical information. >> different factors led to where we are. >> reporter: and the public
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utility says that the problem is outdated equipment, not enough money and perhaps surprisingly seaweed. some people might say really, seaweed? that is causing some problems here? >> yeah, because we have a lot of seaweed and it was preventing the water to get into the condenser. >> reporter: and this summer a private come took over transmission bringing in more than 3,000 workers. >> electricity in puerto rico has been in a terrible state for a very long time. >> why is it worse now than it was before you took over? >> i actually think in many ways there have been improvements in the way that people contact us, in the way that we rolled out new digital tools. >> but the lights are still going going out. >> what i say to customers every day is this will get better.
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>> reporter: brenda owns a bakery. and every time the lights go out, she loses money. >> i think the last week i lost like $1,000. >> how frustrating is it when the power goes out over andfrus. we get mad. we really get mad. >> reporter: meanwhile, fema set aside nearly $10 billion to help rebuild the power grid here. there are projects in the pipeline, but they likely won't be approved until at least next year. many residents here in puerto rico are sick of waiting and one has to wonder what the reaction would be if this were happening in the u.s. mainland. jeff? >> a year is a long time to wait without consistent power. thanks to gabe gutierrez for that. still ahead, launch is a go for the starship enterprise, known as blue origin. the countdown to william shatner's trip into space when we come back. shatner's trip intspo ace when we come back
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tomorrow is the day that actor william shatner and the blue origin crew will beam up t because of weather, marks the second mission of the jeff bezos space company. they pushed it back to 9:00 a.m. local time because of more forecasted winds, but otherwise, it is all systems go. at 90 years old, shatner will make history as the oldest person ever in space. here with us now is colonel chris hatfield who served as commander of the international space station in 2013. he's also -- has a fiction book out today titled the apollo murders. it is good to have you with us. william shatner is not only your fellow canadian, he's a friend of yours. what advice do you have for him ahead of tomorrow's launch? >> yeah, it is a pretty amazing thing for a 90-year-old to do. bill and i were texting back and forth. he doesn't need any advice from me. he's taken a lot of risks in his life. but what i did tell him, we
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talked several times about this was, don't get all wrapped up in the process, don't be trying to take a picture nobody has ever taken. soak it up. absorb it. be completely human in the moment, notice the nuance of weightlessness and what you can see out the window. this is a real early experience for a passenger to get. i want him to come back as fulsome from it as he can possibly be. >> for folks sitting at home who think i'm not famous like william shatner, not rich like jeff bezos, when can i go to space, when does the future of space travel for everyday regular folks look like? >> jeff, it is sort of like asking me in 1919 what is the future of air travel. at the time it was dangerous, brand-new, wasn't regulated. airlines hadn't formed. they were just starting to form. only for the wealthy. but as the technology gets better and that's the big thing here, the technology is radically better than it was the three times i flew in space, simpler and more reliable, then the cost comes down. it will be a while yet before
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you're going to get an economy flight to space, but that's sort of the natural pattern of things. and so, it takes a little patience. space flight is younger than i am. it is still a new technology for all of us. and i think the work that has been done in the last 20 years to make this rocket ship to allow captain kirk to fly into space, that's an indication of where our technology is going right now. >> yeah, i want to ask about those significant leaps that we have seen in space flight over just the past few months. you told our team this morning that the technological advances have outpaced regulation. what regulations could come to private space flight, do you think? and which are needed? >> well, we have to look at it wholistically as each nation looks at how they're going to do it, right. how many launches can there be? how safe do the passengers have to be? what sort of infrastructure, it is like cars when a model t was built or airplanes. we need to put in the infrastructure that protects passenger safety and is good for the nation overall, trade-off
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between business and environment and health and all that. so, yeah, we'll get there. this is just a blistering front edge new capability and everyone is trying to figure out what to do with it. i'm just delighted that a friend is going to seeing some that he's only been dreaming about his whole life. >> yeah, and william shatner at 90 years old, because the flight is fully automated, someone put it this morning, the hardest part for him is walking up all the stairs to get on the thing. once he's in it, he's good to go, is that right? >> when they're floating weightless as the vehicle is about to get back into the atmosphere, he has to get himself back into the chair and strapped in to take all the gs of re-entry. it is going to be tempting to not do that. i hope he does it. i don't want him to hurt himself. >> we'll be here watching it all. thank you for your time. >> thank you. that does it for this hour. hallie jackson picks up the coverage coming up next. hallie jackson picks uthp e coverage coming up next.
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