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good day, this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington. the house is back in town to vote on a short-term extension of the debt ceiling. >> we're working to try to have bipartisan as we have always had on that legislation. the validity of the public debt of the united states authorized by law shall not be questioned. >> the speaker also laid down her guidelines for how to cut that $3.5 trillion social spending bill saying she wants to focus on fewer programs but doing them well nap is a rejection of fiercely held republican demands.
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>> what we do will be transformative and produce results. i'm excited about the prospect that we have to make some difficult decisions, okay, because we have less -- fewer resources, but none the less, no diminishing of our commitment to a transformative agenda. the fact is that if there is fewer dollars to spend there are choices to be made. some wrote back to me and said i want to do everything. we'll have that discussion. >> turning to texas, the legal battle over the state's abortion laws have testified to a hold on the abortion band after six weeks of pregnancy. in a case that will most likely still get the. it puts him at odds with the
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president's plan for vaccinations for tests with businesses with more than 100 workers and many corporations. let's begin in washington with sahil kapur. politico white house editor sam stein. first, what do we expect from the debt limit vote that -- we expect it to pass, but the focus shift it is something that the progress is may not be keen on, but doing fewer programs but doing them well. >> we expect the house to pass that short-term debt ceiling bill to extend the dead looip. and they still have to expectation some of deadline.
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it is the difficulty of senate republican leader mitch mcconnell hand that in the votes for the filibuster. he is facing rare criticism for members of his own rare republican caucus that support him overwhelmingly and strongly as well as from trump. on to the reconciliation bill, speaker pelosi reminded erin that there are important decisions, difficult decisions, to be made to meet the falling price tag. she did not say how low it would go, but she said it was disappointing that it would not be the full 3.5 trillion. he emphasized that that is a big priority and that will be part of this. she mentioned that some programs are tied to others. it is very interesting, the
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point that she is making. if you offer your ability. she was walking the line saying lawmakers wrote back to her saying they want to keep all of the programs in there and do them for a shorter period of time to meet the priest damage. she indicated they could move some dates around to try to resolve the price tag, but speaker pelosi is coming down on the side of fewer programs for a longer time, that's where the consensus is, and that is her method. at the end of the day this is part of what she is trying to do, inching toward a consensus here on that multitrillion dollar bill. >> and raising the debt ceiling in december and the spending bill both critically important, and that was a real cash, another crash, hitting the president and congress, the
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house democrats in december, just as his poll numbers are going down, the country is continuing to deal with the covid crisis and that is taking a toll on the president. >> no doubt, andrea, that the president is really facing a number of challenges that are weighing on him, he is feeling the pressure, trying to unite his own party and looking into december and trying to figure out how it could be raised. so when i talked to white house officials say say that yes, it is true that the president is dealing with challenges but they also say this is his presidency, fixing hard things, it is about coming in and making sure that the covid pandemic with b that that would be something dealt with and he understood he would have to try to work across the line and that is why he had the message of having experience in government to do this.
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we have to see if he can really pull this off. he is talking to moderates and progressives in his party. it is really hard when you think about joe manchin on one side not wanting to create a entitled society. so whether or not it is 1.5 trillion or closer to the 2 trillion mark which is what i have been hearing for weeks, it is all be directly linked to his agenda. they will have to, with one democratic source telling me, they have to show they got something done when they had all of this power in washington. en though the margins are so small. they're saying democrats have control of all of this and what did you bring home for me.
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you probably can't hear but for the last few days there have been climate protestors reminding president biden how much that issue is top of mind. that tells you the pressure that he is facing from his base and from lawmakers. >> so he is in that squeeze, and sam stein, he has an immediate impact on this for the virginia was which is only a couple weeks away. a newcomer to politics, but a lot of money behind him. he is a trump republican. they had some contentious debates. the president needs a win, before that race in a couple weeks, and that race could say a lot about the midterms. >> yeah, it really comes down to turnout. i know that is a cliche, but you have issues with turnout,
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naturally. so he wants the democratic elector rate jazzed up a little bit into how do you get that? you do it through legislative success. it is not the main reason to get the bill, and they want, they have a moral case for passing the bill, a political case for passing the bill, but he is saying look, i need something done, infrastructure bill or some progress on the reconciliation bill. and they will make sure that my voters are not depressed going into it. so he is saying get this done, get it done, get it done. ly say in our polling and i will leave it here, what is remarkable to us is that, you know even though democrats have passed these issues including the republican plan early on, the voters are not yet realizing or crediting them with it. we found that people did not
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credit joe biden with the enhanced tax credit. they have to execute on the selling, that these bills have tangible benefits. they are communicating that the bills got them but that they tangibly benefitted voters. >> the republicans have been just syruply let the democrats twist in the wind for particularly on the debt ceiling bill, and having their own play on reconciliation as well. it is certainly what you're seeing also. the in fact you two democratic senators hanging them up, what is the republican strategy, here? going forward? >> you nailed it, it is to step
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aside and let democratic infighting take up all of the oxygen. what they doing is spending trillions of dollars. the infighting taking place among democrats is swamping the substance. they so far away right now. they are both trying to figure out the size. they have not figured it out, they're trying to figure out the concept. will we do a few things or a lot of things, and then they got to the substance of what they're going to cut. they're a long way away from getting anything done which is one reason why i think it is crazy they don't just pass the infrastructure bill they have. get joe biden a win. allow terry mccauliffe to run on
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what he has. you have months and months and months to do something and you have not been able to pull it off. i think they would be wise to pick up frush and pass it now if they can. i would not be surprised if this package goes into next year easily. >> next year it won't be passed. it will never come together. another thing that is coming up in december is extending the child tax credit and you know that is one program with universal support. it has done more to attack child poverty than any other single program almost more than any other single program in decades. yet that has to be extepided and that is running out in december. all of these things are just about to hit them in the face. >> that's right and president
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biden has said he see it's as essential to beating child poverty. and you talk to ere day voters. one of the biggest thing that's are going on in this economy, especially according to the kept jobs report is that there is a child care crisis in america nap there is a feeling like there is a lot of people, women in particular that cannot go back into the workforce or are struggling financially because of child care, and not having the funds needed to properly care for their children, and you had not only child care, a child tax credit, but the eviction moratorium that expired. so there is a lot of people really sustained by some of the things put in place and now as the pandemic is still deepening,
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but it seen as urgent, you have lawmakers taking those bibts away and it could be ugly. >> check out first read today because they have a really great deep die on the conflict between some very popular programs for children, pre-k, versus childcare nap there is a whole problem, if one or the other goes. as to what will survive in this plan and how people will react to it. >> thank you for starting us off. and now collision course back to texas, banning all covid vaccine mandates as osha is preparing the president's federal vaccine requirement. how employers are trying to navigate these mixed messages. navigate these mixed messages.
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texas governor greg abbot is now banning all vaccine mandates in texas for workers or customers. the governors order is a direct challenge to all businesses that asked for vaccine requirements. this as an fda advisory panel will decide this week whether or not 84 million people vaccinated with moderna or j&j will get
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booster shots. doctor, first to you, on governor abbot's order, how will it impact overall vaccinate efforts in texas and other republican lead states. we have seen dates that are working so far. >> sure, our way out of the pan determine sick to vaccinate the unvaccinated. we can have booster dosing as will be recommended probably on this thursday and friday. we can give a third dose to people who already have got mrna vaccines. that will probably not have much of an impact on this pandemic. it will only occur when we can convince 65 million people that told you they don't want to get vaccinated. they want to continue to be
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fertile ground to create mutations more and more resistant to the vaccines. for anyone looking at the data that vaccines are the way to go. there is no good reasons not to get a reason, just a lot of bad reasons, and i think what the governor is doing is supporting those people with bad reasons not to get vaccinations. >> heidi, you have been talking to business leaders about the impact of the president's vaccine mandate for tens of millions of americans, what are they telling you? >> the new rule expected to advance in the next days and weeks. what they're telling me is the vast majority of companies and regions see no problem in this being implemented.
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they said they had a mandate in broad come plins. but in other parties of the country. he operates in about 90 different countries, and he had a message for americans. you're all the odd balls here. take a listen. >> the world is going there, you know? you can't go to restaurants in some cities, you can't go to bars, you can't go to a supporting event. people not vaccinated will just be iegs lated. we have employees all over the world and it is ironic where there is nowhere where they have a concern around the vaccine. >> in the deep south, this is a real problem, okay? i spoke to the ceo who said he had incentives to try to get his
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employees vaccinated and he has about 30% vaccinated. he says the mandate is not an option for him because he will have to fire his wrs or they will have to go to companys with a smaller number of employees. then he has to do a testing protocol. he says that could be burdensome and costly. he is very concerned about it. >> doctor, i want to talk also to you about boosters. we talked about it a bit a second ago referring to the fact that the meetings are this week. they have medical issues that make them high risk, can they expect to get boosters? and what about the fact that the booster, but understand, should be a lower dose than just a third shot of the original. is that going to create a supply chain problem potentially once this approval does come?
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>> so well see -- >> right, your right, we'll see whether or not the approval comes. the third dose is a 50 microgram dose. we'll go through that data on thursday, and we'll see, but i want to point out that today what we have learned about the vaccines, is that they are exceptionally effective. so people who got two doses should know they can consider themselves fully vaccinated. there are some advantages to getting a third dose for people for example who are over 65 orly in long-term care facilities. people with medical problems other 50 years of age, but for the most part two doses is highly effective. so i think the real focus here has to be exactly on what
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governor abbott is standing in the door far. we can get out of this. you have roughly 55% of name have been vaccinated. you probably have 75% of the population immunity at this point. get to 90% population immunity. immune nice another 30 million or 40 million people and we can put the pandemic behind us but we just refuse to do that, it is really hard to watch. >> and it seems to be a hard edge. it's the politics of this, obviously, but there doesn't seem to be a way to persuade them. peep from ports, hollywood, people from politics. they all seem to have add some impact in the deep south. >> right, i think you get to the point where you have to compel people to do the right thing.
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people don't use reason or clojic. you have to compel them to do the right thing. >> have, thank you very. i know you have busy meetings at the end of the week, and thanks again. pressing because, the justice department stepping in to although the restrictive abortion law and worrying about what it might mean for other constitutional rights.
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the justice department is asking a federal appeals court to halt a sweeping abortion law in texas while it is being appealed. they are writing that if the scheme is permissible, there is no sanctioned rule of the kind. it bans the procedure after six weeks which is before many women even know they're pregnant. joining me now is julia ainsley
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and joyce vance. julia, because of the ban, women in texas were forced to go to neighboring states and because of the way the law is written in that 48 hours or so between when the federal judge ruled that ban was unconstitutional and then the 5th circuit ruled that it could be reinstated people could still be retro actively sued by the vigilantes. >> yes, they really did everything they could to try to make this challenge proof and to make sure it would stand even during temporary injunctions. so if women were able to get the procedures last week then now those people that provided those procedures, even if it was an uber driver that took them to a
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clinic, those suits could come up and it could trigger this coming in. the courts have only weighed in on the procedural notion of the law. they have not ruled on the constitutionality. so if someone does sue for an abortion, you could get an argument based on the merits of the law. >> and the move by the doj comes days after the very conservative fifth circuit court of appeals reinstated the abortion law. what happens next? will they refile? and the argument from texas to let the law go into effect? >> that is precise wla will happen here. the case became so procedurally complex that it is difficult to discuss. i expect the arch view sere
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learning more than they ever hoped to, but as you pointed out this is not en a conversation about the merits of the case, whether or not it is constitutional or not. this is just a preliminary skirmish on whether or not the law gets to stay in effect. or whether or not it is blocked, while all of the litigation over the merits of the law is under way. that is the decision that is now teed up for the fifth circuit whether or not the statute gets joined during the litigancy. they will take the appeal and go on to the supreme court so we will see an earlier set up where the supreme court has an opportunity to decide the case on it's shadow docket or it could arguably ask the parties for briefs down the road. >> and do the parties have the opportunity to argue this before the fifth circuit?
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or is it just something decided on the basis of briefs? >> so where the fifth circuit is right now is that they held the motion for preliminary injunction in advance until and giving doj the opportunity to file this responsive brief which doj filed a day earlier. the court issued something called an administrative stay of the district courts ordered that enjoy the law. that's the technical way that the law is now in effect. that means the opportunity is in front of the fifth circuit right now to consider the party's briefs on the merits and to issue an order one way or the other. d.o.j. has the option of going directly to the supreme court here. i suspect the reason they wanted it litigated in the fifth circuit was to continue to build a written record. they have a 113 page order
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written that exhaustively looks at all of the arguments that might suggest that the law should remain in effect and dismisses them very conclusively. the case is a very strong one for the doj position on legal grounds because roe versus wade is the law in this country right now. it guarantees a right for abortion up to a certain stage in pregnancy and there is no reason that the law should be effect while the litigation is ongoing. the doj most likely wants to see the fifth circuit's argument. they want to use vigilante justice. >> and we know the supreme court will be hearing, in december, the mississippi case which is not six weeks, but 15 weeks, but is also more restrictive than
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roe v. wade. so that could overturn roe. >> yes, that is what we were all actually expect it to be a pinnacle decision. that one actually gets more into whether or not this court will allow roe versus wade to stand. while this lawsuit has so many technicalities to it it is hard to seem when the supreme court will weigh in on that. it is hard to see how you could get to the end of 2021 and see how there could be any gray area. >> and that is really going to be an election issue in the midterms. >> absolutely. >> good to see you. >> good to see you, too. joyce vance, thanks to you as well. an uncertain future. keeping isis-k in check.
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president biden spoke just days off the taliban. over the weekend a suicide bomber attacked a mosque killing dozens. they are claiming responsibility. joining me now is stanley mcchrystal. and his new book is titled risk, a users guide in lessons in detecting and responding to risk. i think a lot of presidents would have been happy to have learned from. thank you for being here. it is a fascinating look through history in some instances in
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some of the administrations that have gone wrong. the taliban is severely cutting back on women's rights to education and jobs. and this weekend they were not cooperating on counterterrorism. they are working to get to them? >> yeah. >> it is very disappointing, andrea, and i think they will be under such economic pressure that one of two things is going to happen. they're either going to look inside and afghanistan will become even more difficult for females and others, and potentially offer the opportunity for international terrorist groups, and it will come with some pressures and
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strings. i'm hoping for the latter, but it is the taliban, and i'm not sure they can change moe motus appranda. others, human rights activists and so far it seems to be working? >> i think it is and i think it is in the taliban's interest to let that work. they get rid of people they would not like there joer time and they have to build up some good will and trust with the accident personal military of nations like the united states. they are engaging cautiously. not promising a lot.
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not recognizing yet, but trying to convince the taliban that they're bet tore be cooperative than negative. and that is probably our best way to help females inside the country. >> you said the president's decision was courageous but should he have left a limited flors? that is what his mid tear advised. he ignored that advice. >> it is a tough decision. the president, trump's administration, seened the doha accord. they would have had to throw it out and decide to stay, and this has not been a real popular war far a long time. the president says i'm not taking the opportunity to get out, i'm going to keep americans there in what would be called the forever war and he would have taken a lot of domestic political heat.
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i would have recommended we leave a force there to build afghan confidence, so i'm pretty biassed. but i think it was courageous because they are going to get criticized either way. so my sense is i think he made the decision for the right reasons but it is different and i would not recommend it. i think we should support our president on this tough call. >> did the military under estimate the risks involved in this 20 year conflict. >> i think early on, and i got there in 2002, i think early on when the taliban government collapsed very rapidly, we estimated the legitimacy of the
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people. that was shortcomings in the government of afghanistan that was being put together. and so they were able to get increasing influence across the country over the next decade and a half. i think we saw it coming by about 2006. it was clear to me and others that we had a growing problem. when i went there in twine to take command, and we made that argument to president obama, but i don't think we under estimated the threat. if we were difficult it was over can estimating our ability with the afghan government and military to be veebl on their own. >> i want to go back and look at some examples in your book. you talk about the iran hostage crisis in your book on risk. how should he have been briefed better to manage the risks on that operation that failed in the desert?
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>> that operation was on affecting the rest of it here. he was in the last year of his first term. he would likely not be reelected. the iran rayans knew that. it was difficult to get into a denied country, into their capital, into the old american embassy that was 27 acres in side. find the 53 american hospitals and get them out so they contradicted a very complicated plan, so the two leaders go in to greet the president, and they put together the best plan they could and he asked them what was the likelihood of success or project and they said 85%. and of course they say that because they have been preparing
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the force, they want to believe it, an president carter wants to trust him, but the mission had ten steps and every step was responsibility or required that the previous steps all be successful into in reality even if you say each step had a 90% chance of success, mathematically the probability of success was under 35%. and this is where we struggle with risk often. if we're very mathematical and analytical, we run up against the things we want to believe into as a consequence we don't always make the clearest and best decisions that we could. in that case, it ended in tragedy. >> i want to ask you briefly about china where we hear so much concern about tehran, and them saying we can do it
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peacefully but we're taking over taiwan and the bush back from the taiwanese. in every possible top exercise there is no way they can protect taiwan if they're going in conflict. so how do we protect taiwan? what is the risk involved here? >> one of the things the american people need to know is things changed even though this has been 72 years, the chinese military is now in a position where defending taiwan is a much more difficult prospect than ever before and probably must involve threatening mainland china with a significant attack if we are going to make a credible defense against taiwan. it is a tough military issue. i think what the chinese are trying to do is convince us that it is not worth it. to convince us that they will
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get control of taiwan and we should not want to pay that price. >> a war when neither side knew at that moment. >> it is a giant game of okay r or chicken or something like that and the stakes are just too high. it is such a pleasure, i could talk to you all day. i was up in the late night and early morning reading it. thank you for that, i hope we can talk again soon. >> thank youing. >> and women helping women. the women of afghanistan forge ahead under taliban rule.
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the u.n. secretary-general slamming the taliban over broken promise just the new rulers of afghanistan had pledged to uphold the rights of women and girls. they have not. now the national afghanistan national institute of music where the all-female orchestra used to practice is shuttered and under armed taliban guard. they toured the u.s. playing at both the kennedy center and carnegie hall. and the first coding school of afghan girls is forced underground as they face challenges. >> reporter: the taliban takeover of the third largest city in afghanistan. >> it was a sad day. >> reporter: heart breaking for this woman who moved to the u.s. in 2012 and started the first computer science school for
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girls in afghanistan with free tuition and laptops. a school called code to inspire. >> i think what we provided was essential to the core value of like helping the girls to flourish and create an opportunity for themselves to work. >> reporter: with the taliban's victory it all came crashing down. the taliban promising to respect women's rights but stopping girls to go to school beyond sixth grade and closing off jobs for women like this one who learned to code at the school. >> i have a lot of talents but here i can't use it. >> reporter: what are your hopes now? for your future. >> i can say nothing of that. >> reporter: okay. i'm so sorry. but you still have some optimism about your future? >> i think only miracle can help afghan people. >> reporter: the school which
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has graduated 350 afghan girls now forced underground. how did you get up and continue? >> you know, life is tough. i was like, this is not the time for me to, you know, just sit and, like, do something. >> reporter: so she took code to inspire online using encryption to use the students' identities secure. you can't to educate them secretly behind closed doors? >> yes. we'll create a virtual space for the girls to feel safe, give them laptop, buy them internet and get them educated and find them jobs online. >> can the taliban stop you? >> no. they can't. >> reporter: arming the girls of afghanistan with the internet and laptops. the u.n. secretary-general adds that women and girls need to be the center of attention
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he's stepping down after the discovery of emails to a washington football team executive and others from 2011 to 2018 containing racist and miss only nisic comments directed at the commissioner and others in the nfl and the league's first openly gay draft pick. nbc's steve patterson is joining us now. this is in conflict with the marketing plane and efforts and against concussions. >> reporter: yeah. look. the first thing we should say is the league came out and strongly condemned the comments calling it abhorrent and will never be an appropriate time for something this disgraceful to come out but it's a particularly bad time for the nfl. the league was working on rehabilitating the image particularly in the face of george floyd.
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players put on messages on the helmet and encouraged to speak out for social justice and this happens. the language in the emails was shocking, discovered in that workplace investigation in the time that gruden was in an analyst for espn and in them he uses first a racist trope to describe a man talking about the lips, horrific language to insult commissioner goodell. players that protested the national anthem. mocking concussion protocols as you mention and then using a homophobic slur to describe the league ice first openly gay player. the first active player on the roster this year. gruden did exit with an apology to his team. he said i have resigned as the head coach of the raiders. i love the raiders and do not want to be a distraction why thank you to all the playerings,
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coaches, staff and fans of raider nation. i'm sorry. i never meant to hurt anyone. that came within two hours of the reporting coming out but switches back to the first invest, the emails the league combed through and may reveal more about what he said and more about what other players and coaches were saying and may lead to a further culture shift in the nfl. andrea? >> thank you so much. that does it for us. chuck todd starts on "mpt daily" right now. if it's tuesday democrats look at new ways to massive an agenda through a deeply divided congress. republicans continue the embrace of trump. which party is better positioned to navigate america's toxic politics? the justice department presses the courts to halt the texas ban own nearly all abortions. just days after the


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